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12:22 AM
Better if you understand it.
Math is full of little epiphanies.
 
How's the race going?
 
I played another game for a while. Transistor. Now I'm tired of games.
 
Not a fun game?
 
Not that. Just tired. I rode my bike 30 miles in the heat today. Kind of tapped out.
 
But, the whole point of the quote is that understanding is not initially needed.
 
12:24 AM
I understand that. I'm making a different point.
 
Like learning a foreign language, the language of Physics is Math...
 
Math is the language of science in general.
 
But more so for Physics
 
I don't know if it's more so. Math is a necessary condition for all science.
Physics is closer to pure mathematics than the other sciences, I'll grant you that.
 
thank you :-)
 
12:34 AM
I remember when I was in fourth or fifth grade, looking at a table of integer squares, and realizing that the difference between n-squared and (n+1)-squared represented the series of odd integers. For example, you have the squares as 0, 1, 4, 9, 16, 25, 36 ... , and the differences between those squares is 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11 ... It gave me a little thrill.
 
30 miles? That is very far.
 
@Cerberus Couple of hours, that's all.
 
More like four!
 
depends on traffic
 
But I'm beat. Mainly from the heat. It was over 90 here today. 33 Celsius, roughly.
@Cerberus Not for me. I get 'er done.
 
12:37 AM
@Robusto OK that is kind of cool, never realised that.
 
Not bad for an old man with a fake knee, yeah?
 
Hah.
I am surprised that you would bike on such a hot day!
 
Well, I don't feel right if I don't get in some exercise.
I'd rather play basketball, but I can't do that anymore. Basketball killed my knee.
 
Swimming...
 
Then you have to find a pool. And change and all that. And do laps, which are boring.
Biking at least lets you go somewhere, different scenery, etc.
 
12:40 AM
You could swim along a river.
And back.
 
Have you tried rehabbing your knee with weight training?
 
Right. There's a reason I don't swim in the rivers around here.
 
Oh?
 
@685-252 Please. I've had three surgeries on the knee. Strength has never been the issue. It's torn menisci and cartilage.
@Cerberus Would you swim in your rivers?
 
oh
 
12:42 AM
@Robusto Sure, why not?
 
Um, because they're filthy?
 
They are? Ours are not filthy.
 
Hmm, I bet they are filthier than I'd like to swim in.
 
Our kids are going to swim in the Amstel tomorrow.
Maybe the part in the actual city centre is less convenient.
 
In any case, mosquitoes and other bugs keep me out of rivers and lakes as well.
 
12:43 AM
But the part that's maybe 20 minutes from here on foot is nice.
Mosquitos, by day?
 
Yes. They hang around the rivers and lakes.
 
Are your rivers different, or are you used to different hygiene standards?
Perhaps your climate is hotter, is that it?
 
It's a mixed bag. Some rivers are clean. The ones in populated areas are not to be fucked with. You never know what people are dumping in them.
 
People swim in most waters here, be it sea, rivers, or lakes. Just preferably not in the canals in the city centre, because of bike wrecks and whatnot. Nor in small pools/ponds that are stagnant.
A bit of refuse won't kill you...
 
Eeewww
 
12:46 AM
But really, who wants to swim in shit?
 
There is shit in swimming pools.
 
I'm fine with biking, tyvm.
 
OK OK.
 
@685-252: Even a "science" like linguistics uses math:
{{Probability distribution| name =Zipf's law| type =mass| pdf_image =Zipf PMF for N = 10 on a log–log scale. The horizontal axis is the index k . (Note that the function is only defined at integer values of k. The connecting lines do not indicate continuity.)| cdf_image =Zipf CDF for N = 10. The horizontal axis is the index k . (Note that the function is only defined at integer values of k. The connecting lines do not indicate continuity.)| parameters =s>1\, (real)N \in \{1,2,3\ldots\} (integer)| support =k \in \{1,2,\ldots,N\}| pdf =\frac{1/k...
 
@Robusto yes it is a universal tool
 
12:49 AM
> Our third and oldest open water swim of Europe is the Royal Amstel Swim. The Royal Amstel Swim is being held since 1841 in Amsterdam City.
 
> Mathematically, the sum of all relative frequencies in a Zipf distribution is equal to the harmonic series.
I think that is very cool.
 
> The Boston Light Swim has been a local tradition since 1907, the Boston Light Swim is the oldest open-water swim marathon in the United States of America. Participants begin the race in the water at Boston Light on Little Brewster and continue past George’s Island and Rainsford Island, under the Long Island Bridge, around Thompson’s Island, finishing 8 miles later at the L Street Bathhouse in South Boston.
 
Swimming that hard is really hard work.
 
You don't need to race.
 
Swimming is the only physical exertion that's ever brought me close to puking.
 
12:54 AM
Ya, the only way to "coast" is to flip over on to your back...
 
You can stop whenever you want...
 
not if it is deep
 
You just swim to the shore.
 
I just noticed medica has been suspended "to cool down"
 
Really??
Whence?
 
12:56 AM
not if you are exhausted
 
Not this room?
 
@685-252 Just stay close to the bank.
 
:-O
7 days!!!
 
Huh?
 
12:58 AM
@Cerberus there is always a chance you could drown
 
Good thing she didn't get elected moderator. A suspension would have been an embarrassment for the site instead of just her.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Hmm so what happened, any idea? Where?
@685-252 You can drown in a pool.
 
check here activity
 
@Cerberus I haven't found anything yet. Her ELL acct is not suspended.
 
Hmm so just ELU?
 
1:00 AM
yeah
 
But I don't think anything happened in chat.
I think I saw her in the room earlier today, just her icon.
 
@Cerberus This should be obvious.
 
I wondered why she didn't answer my ping
 
@tchrist OK thanks, that clears it up, then.
 
@tchrist It's not obvious to me.
 
1:02 AM
The best reply is irony.
 
Ok, I shall show yout.
 
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Q: Why is saying "cr@p" more socially acceptable than saying "sh!t" is?

DanielI know shit is generally considered vulgar swearing in any context, while crap (though it's normally used as a swear word) is often used and allowed in decent contexts. How did this happen, since they both refer to the same thing?

Please nuke this.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Rage-quittish vandalism.
 
No need, you said it was obvious.
 
@Robusto He doesn’t ask as good questions as he thinks he does.
 
1:03 AM
So we don't need to see anything.
 
Pay attention.
 
I don't need to.
 
If you were paying any attention to the front page, or to the review queues, it would have been obvious.
 
All was clear from the beginning.
 
Then you tell @Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 so I don’t have to.
–1 Lack of research.
 
1:04 AM
No, no need. It is obvious, so neither he nor I need an explanation.
 
@Cerberus *need
 
Too late.
I don't know what triggered that, but I kind of respect her deleting her own stuff. It's not as though she were vandalising other people's answers.
 
@Cerberus s/re(?=spect)/su/
 
I don't follow your use of a computer language I do not know.
 
1:08 AM
me neither
 
@Cerberus Don’t play show-witted, please. It is not flattering, and it is not true.
 
I don't understand it, sorry.
 
35 secs ago, by 685-252
me neither
 
room topic changed to English Language & Usage: Obscurum per obscurius (no tags)
 
@Robusto your new powers are going to your head!
 
1:09 AM
Boy that’ll rile ’em.
 
Hah, I forgot you could actually do that.
 
Mwuhahaha!
 
Nowhere are we safe!
 
Oh no the new co-owner is here, I forgot :-O
 
I feel like a slave.
 
1:10 AM
Co-owner.
@Cerberus Blame @Matt.
 
Worry not, I do.
 
@Robusto !!youtube blame it on the rain
 
@Robusto OBSCVRITAS GRATIA OBSCVRITATE
 
1:13 AM
4 hours ago, by Jarvis the Bot
 
@tchrist Necromicon?
 
@Robusto MGM
 
@tchrist Ah. Ars Gratia Artis.
 
Yes.
 
@tchrist I do not think that is correct...
 
1:14 AM
NOM gratia ABL
Or CAVSA, I suppose.
"Art for art's sake" is the usual English rendering of a French slogan from the early 19th century, 'l'art pour l'art', and expresses a philosophy that the intrinsic value of art, and the only "true" art, is divorced from any didactic, moral or utilitarian function. Such works are sometimes described as "autotelic", from the Greek autoteles, “complete in itself”, a concept that has been expanded to embrace "inner-directed" or "self-motivated" human beings. Ironically, the term is sometimes used commercially. A Latin version of this phrase, "Ars gratia artis", is used as a motto by Metro-...
 
Gratia normally goes with the genitive and comes after it.
As does causa.
And why use the same word twice? Why not obscuritas sua gratia?
 
emphasis
 
Ask the lion.
 
@Cerberus Because using the word twice gives it a tag-like quality, a self-affirmation.
Same way a rhyme works.
Hell's bells, do I have to explain it all?
 
this poem written solely for the poem's sake
 
1:20 AM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 And the concomitant amelioration, which didn’t come cheaply.
 
@tchrist What lion?
Is it an actual quotation?
 
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@Robusto I don't know, it doesn't look like the way the Romans would do that...
 
"Ars gratia artis", is used as a motto by Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer and appears in the circle around the roaring head of Leo the Lion in its motion picture logo.
 
1:22 AM
O.
 
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But this was about the obscuritas bit.
 
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I question the use of gratia before the genitive, it sounds archaic...
 
@tchrist Either you're having a stroke, or you're scrambling your text on purpose.
 
1:23 AM
 
meows
 
Kitty!
 
yeah that was my third guess
 
Or a combination.
 
1:30 AM
Yay!
 
@tchrist did i hit your funny-bone when i rhymed about time?
 
1:44 AM
 
The United States of Canada v. Jesusland.
Would be interesting.
So I think Colorado is in the red area? Did they vote for Bush against Kerry?
 
2:14 AM
> Y'a p'têt un créneau plus facile par là !
 
2:32 AM
I don't think the united states would like to be thought of as "of canada"
 
@685-252 It would be for the best.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 maybe the other way round
 
That wouldn't be good for the branding.
Unless it was "The Canadian States of America"
3
 
that's^ what I meant
 
"United States of Canada" has the advantage of keeping "United States" and "Canada" in the name, whereas the other way around changes both of those.
Anyway I must be off.
 
2:38 AM
later pal
The United States and Provinces of North America
Oh, I forgot the Territories :(
and Mexico
for most Americans, Canada is sort of like a case of latent arthritis. We really don't think about it, unless it acts up.
 
 
2 hours later…
4:50 AM
Someone keeps going around upvoting crappy questions. Srsly.
@685-252 For many Canadians, America is a source of constant human rights concerns and confusion about medical bills.
 
 
4 hours later…
9:21 AM
@Robusto I hope your sixth or seventh grade algebra teacher formulated your thrill as a^2 - b^2 = (b+1)^2 - b^2 for two consecutive numbers a and b. Then multiplying it out you would have shown lo and behold b^2 + 2b + 1 - b^2 or simply 2b +1 which is the difference between those two squares is an odd number :-)
 
9:45 AM
posted on July 04, 2014 by sgdi

There once was a man in a bed Who had started to wish he was dead His death wish had come From a long night of fun He now had a sick, painful head

 
10:19 AM
@skullpatrol That is less thrilling than my own epiphany.
@Cerberus Colorado and New Mexico are kind of bluish, as are, potentially, Iowa and Ohio.
 
@Robusto I would guess Algebra doesn't thrill you?
 
It's OK.
 
10:40 AM
I may have to restore my laptop to my bloatware ridden OS due to the heat issues it now suffers from after the fresh install I had so meticulously performed upon it. I'm sad.
 
Have you asked in the SuperUser.SE chat room about it?
 
I could. But I don't think they'll be able to help.
Assuming they do choose to help.
 
I asked about over-heating issues and they were very helpful.
 
The general response to that kind of question is to open your machine and clean the fan and some other things. But the issue isn't that.
I know because when it had the original OS, it didn't heat as much.
It does now. Immediately after the fresh install.
And it did so when it was fresh installed one other time.
 

 Root Access

For all you Super Users out there. You have backups, right?
Jump in and ask, it's the best way to find out.
 
user116848
10:54 AM
So who's the man with the death wish after all? I don't get it
 
@skullpatrol Thanks but still, it's an uncommon issue. It'll be difficult for them to help me out just from chat. The problem could be anything.
 
You could give them the specifics by posting a question.
But exactly which specs they want would best be found out by asking in the chat room.
 
Yes, okay. But I'm not switching back to my old install so soon.
I'll try to see what I can get done here myself.
Then I'll maybe consider asking.
@Arrowfar death wish?
who?
 
1 hour ago, by Stack Exchange
posted on July 04, 2014 by sgdi

There once was a man in a bed Who had started to wish he was dead His death wish had come From a long night of fun He now had a sick, painful head

 
user116848
Yeah that :)
 
11:05 AM
You could ask @Matt for that.
 
user116848
Why Matt? He wrote it?
 
Yes.
 
user116848
I see
 
Although I don't think the man is supposed to be someone in particular.
 
user116848
Yeah
 
user116848
11:13 AM
Kinda creepy poem though
 
user116848
:)
 
11:33 AM
4
Q: Why is saying "cr@p" more socially acceptable than saying "sh!t" is?

DanielI know shit is generally considered vulgar swearing in any context, while crap (though it's normally used as a swear word) is often used and allowed in decent contexts. How did this happen, since they both refer to the same thing?

This shit is still open.
 
12:03 PM
I can beat that.
-1
Q: How can i interpret this?

cosmic girlWie kann ich den Satz: Is it you I respond to...noch interpretieren als mit der wörtlichen Übersetzung, die leider überhaupt nicht zu dem Kontext meines gestrigen Chats passt!!! Vielleicht kann mir ein native speaker weiterhelfen...das Kommentar kam aus Schottland hilft evtl. Danke

Poor @Andrew got all confused.
Which is understandable, as it's a first.
It is not about translation. It is about English alright. It just isn't in English.
(Not really in German, either, so I couldn't resist editing it into shape.)
 
Oh I see. Why not just ask the question in the title?
 
Fixed that, too.
But I will leave fixing the rest to the OP.
As in translating and supplying the context.
It's one of those, um, we still don't have a term for that kind of question even though we get them like daily.
When people are talking to someone, in person, and that someone produces something they don't understand, but then rather than asking right then and there what the heck they mean, people wait patiently till the person is no longer available, then ask a bunch of strangers off the Internet instead, who don't have any context whatsoever.
 
Just like a staircase reply, except completely back-to-front.
L'esprit de l'escalier or l'esprit d'escalier ("staircase wit") is a French term used in English that describes the of thinking of the perfect too late. Origin This name for the phenomenon comes from French encyclopedist and philosopher Denis Diderot's description of such a situation in his Paradoxe sur le comédien. During a dinner at the home of statesman Jacques Necker, a remark was made to Diderot which left him speechless at the time, because, he explains, "l’homme sensible, comme moi, tout entier à ce qu’on lui objecte, perd la tête et ne se retrouve qu’au bas de l’escalier" ("a ...
 
Yeah I think you are looking for fridge logic.
 
Yes, that.
 
12:23 PM
Meanwhile a question for @tchrist:
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Q: Name for the top left cell of a table

dave1010What is the name for the top left cell of a table? The one next to the column headers and above the row headers. Does it even have a technical name? E.g. the cell with ??? in this table: +-----+------+------+ |???  |Yes   |No    | +-------------------+ |A    |1     |4     | |B    |2     |5    ...

I wouldn't know. But there is a name for everything in typography.
 
@RegDwigнt "Top left cell" . . . And you're welcome.
 
@Robusto that's what my answer is, yes.
 
@RegDwigнt You just said you wouldn't know.
 
I wouldn't know the technical term.
That dumb cell is special. It's either empty, or it has to be cut in two diagonally. Totally stupid and all. I bet there's at least a nickname for it.
 
That is the technical term.
Pivot cell?
 
12:27 PM
Well be my guest and post that.
 
No.
 
Hey you can't reject an invitation like that.
Not cool, man!
Now let me read up on your starred message.
 
Gearing up for Germany/France, are we?
 
Yeah.
That one will be a massacre.
 
Massacre bleu.
 
12:30 PM
And whoever passes, has to kick Brazil in the nuts.
Well, secretly I'm hoping they will be kicked out today, by whoeveritis.
Nigeria?
Oh right, Colombia.
Well hah. That could actually happen.
 
Riots.
 
Exactly.
Should go back to fixing the corruption and the street wars and the FIFA.
But for as long as their team is playing, they gladly forget all that.
 
That is something that won't happen.
 
Well no, but right now they won't be so much as trying.
If Brazil wins, everything is forgiven.
That's how it works.
@Cerberus but it's not deleting. It's editing. Different links, different things.
Gah, and the room description is in friggin Latin. What has the world come to.
Sub umbra alarum tuarum, Jehova.
 
@Cerb: Lupus non timet canem latrantem. That's why I'm not afraid of you.
 
12:45 PM
It's never lupus.
 
@RegDwigнt Hmm, "friggin" Latin. Otherwise known as the Vulgate?
 
Jul 24 '12 at 11:50, by RegDwight АΑA
Humus humō lupus.
@Robusto I was going to pick the cheap fruit myself, but then it occurred to me you might be hungrier.
 
Well, all I had this morning was a banana.
 
And you know how fast it flies.
 
But how it got in my pajamas I'll never know.
 
12:46 PM
It poured itself into them and forgot to say when.
 
Now you're parroting prosdokians.
 
This parrot prosdokian is no more. It has ceased to be. Gone to meet its maker and join the choir invisible. It is an ex-parrot prosdokian.
 
Your Python is strangling my dog.
room topic changed to English Language & Usage: Today's special: single-word-request two-for-one sale (no tags)
 
Don't burn out.
 
You were complaining about the Latin.
I'm helping out, not burning out.
 
12:52 PM
English is a difficult language.
Too many different words. Doubleplusnotgood.
 
On the plus side, Zipf's law is actively working to restrict vocabulary.
 
Dunno about that. Has been working for a damn long time with damn poor results.
 
You're talking about Greece, right?
Oh wait, you did say working.
 
I did mention working, so quite obviously no.
Jinx.
 
Jinx.
Double jinx.
 
12:55 PM
Meta-jinx.
 
Infra-jinx.
 
!!coke
 
@Robusto I don't understand. Use the !!/help command to learn more.
 
There, first result for "Double Meta Jinx".
 
12:55 PM
!!jinx
 
@Robusto Were you trying to invoke me? Use the !!/help command to learn more.
 
Fuck off, bot. You are of no use to me.
 
I could have told you that for much cheaper.
 
About the same cost, if you factor in VAT.
 
I am forced by law to factor in VAT.
Unlike in your third-world country.
 
12:57 PM
You mean the Wild West?
Or the United Canadas of State?
 
Well not the Mild West for sure.
Come to the Mildboro country.
 
More like the Child West.
 
Child looks like a Greek word supposed to be pronounced kild.
 
I knew you would say that.
But as we all know, Greek words don't work, so that one must be given the sack.
 
I pay you insubstantial amounts to do just that.
 

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