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12:09 AM
Hello @ all, a question to all 10k+ users: Is there a deleted answer in Why is unskip not working here? Heiko Oberdiek refers to an answer I cannot see. The sentence should be rewritten IMHO.
@Speravir Yes, there is.
@egreg OK, thanks.
@egreg I changed the regarding sentence by adding a bit information. It’s not that good, but I did not want to delete Heiko’s reference to this answer. This should be done by himself IMHO.
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8:53 AM
@Speravir Yes, thanks. :) I'm still quite confused what the OP wants. I need to read it carefully.
@PauloCereda Good morning! Isn't it a bit early for being in front of a computer?
@egreg Good morning! :) I decided to wake up earlier and finish some code. :)
9:49 AM
@Speravir or get @PauloCereda to set up his army of serial voting robots to push you over the 10k so you could read the answer.
10:24 AM
Hey guys, you know your blood type? Since I was ordering a dog tag, I put mine in there. :)
@PauloCereda 0-
@egreg Me too!
We are universal donors? :)
I watched Disney's Frozen yesterday, but I didn't like it. Nice soundtrack though.
10:40 AM
@PauloCereda What was wrong with it?
(Not seen it myself but popular at work)
@JosephWright Too much ice :) I'm not sure, I didn't like the storyline around Elsa (the ice thingy girl). Maybe I should watch it again. :)
But the movie is beautiful, one of the best animations so far from Disney.
hi everyone : quick question for you
Q: Impossible to select text and, then, autoformat it with Emacs+AUCtex

pprWith Emacs+AUCTeX, I was able to select text (with the shortcut CTRL+SPACE) and, then, format this text. For example, it was possible to select a sentence (the text is highlighted) and to press C-c C-e in order to put this text inside a center environment. My problem is I cannot do this today. E...

1 hour later…
12:20 PM
Why and not or simply ?
Does the tag name match an actual LaTeX command?
By the way, LaTeX is even more annoying to type than my name.
@TRiG There's a package called a0poster.
@egreg Still resisting the impulse?
@GonzaloMedina Trying hard to.
@egreg I suppose that makes some sense.
@DavidCarlisle Thanks for the edit; you do actually read my answers!
12:31 PM
@egreg even voted for it (once I'd made it work:-)
@DavidCarlisle You are mean, sir. :)
@PauloCereda you mean I should stop voting for @egreg? OK.
@DavidCarlisle Oh no! :) I meant you are mean to not vote for @egreg. :)
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1:54 PM
alias emacs="echo 'LOL should have used vim'"
@PauloCereda LOL, sudo rm /usr/bin/emacs; sudo ln /usr/bin/vim /usr/bin/emacs works just as well :P
@hugovdberg ooh that's naughty! :)
Wait for David to make some insightful remark. :)
@PauloCereda ah he doesn't speak to me anymore, just because I use vim :P
la lal hm de dum, no one here today?
2:10 PM
@DavidCarlisle Just some noise about a wannabe computer program.
2:28 PM
@egreg Yes, emacs. :)
@egreg seems like it is just you and me here.
@DavidCarlisle Really. Yesterday I read an interesting article on "Day and Night" cricket test matches.
@egreg will it be covered on prime time Italian TV?
@DavidCarlisle On the train I was given the "International Wall Street Journal".
@DavidCarlisle What do you think about pink balls?
@egreg I suppose since lots of people fall asleep watching cricket, it makes sense to hold the matches at night. Not sure the ball colour makes much difference in those circumstances.
2:43 PM
@egreg: kotaku.com/… Pretty much like Italy and Brazil, I guess. :)
@PauloCereda This morning I showed the first proof requiring induction, so I discussed it and my usual example is the proof that no train is late.
@egreg Oh my! Really?
@PauloCereda Yes. A colleague of mine once presented the proof that all points of the plane are collinear; he called it "Fish's theorem" and he did that on April 1.
As an easy corollary of Fish's theorem, all conics are degenerate.
I'm surprised: I was writing a comment where I cited a topic. The url was not translated automatically to a link with (as title) the title of the question of the topic.
@ppr That happens only in questions and answers.
2:56 PM
@egreg ok. Why not for comments ?
@egreg could be useful
@ppr No idea.
Q: Replace links with the current question title in comments

Alex BIn questions, links get converted into question titles (see Replace trilogy raw links with the current question title?) Can the same functionality be added to comments?

Q: Comments should replace HTML links with title as is the case in Question

Peter GrillI really like the fact that when I add a URL form tex.SX in the question, this is automatically displayed with just the title of the question. It would be nice to have this also done in comments, as it is a lot more information to have the title there as opposed to the URL which often is truncate...

@ppr Now I have ideas. :)
3:15 PM
@egreg :)
3:32 PM
@DavidCarlisle: Perhaps this may be of interest to you:
Q: Undoing a bounty?

Niel de BeaudrapOn this question about creating complicated tables, I wanted to award a +100 bounty on this answer by user47919 involving the tap package. In my haste, I accidentally awarded it to David Carlisle's answer instead. (I did read the warning about making sure it was the correct answer to award it to...

@DavidCarlisle: And, while this won't get you closer to getting in front of me :-o, it will earn you one of those badges you always wanted!
...I crack me up...
@Werner: it would be awesome to see the reputation gods now disputing bounties. :)
@Werner yes I flagged the original comment below my answer as I thought the mods would be able to handle it. If The sx team don't move the bounty I'll award one (first time for everything:-)
@DavidCarlisle Would you like me to award it?
4:30 PM
@PauloCereda I should award the bounty so I don't gain from the error, then you should award a bounty of 10x that to me to reward my fair play. Does that sound like a good plan?
@DavidCarlisle Answer my question. I'll give you a 500 bounty. :) Even for an incomplete, faulty code. :)
4:50 PM
@PauloCereda bribery won't work. @DavidCarlisle is incorruptible.
@PauloCereda I'm so tempted to post xii as an answer
@DavidCarlisle It has perfect layout. :) Seems legit.
5:07 PM
@AlanMunn Restricted access...
@Werner I'll get a better link. Didn't realise that it was to a web form.
Ok, once more: interesting LaTeX job and project: linguistlist.org/jobs/get-jobs.cfm?id=29238851
@AlanMunn Indeed... it would be fun to turn a hobby into an employment opportunity (without the procrastination).
@Werner Not to mention living in Berlin.
5:35 PM
And here is a link to the grant proposal that is mentioned in the job listing that @AlanMunn posted, if anyone is interested. :)
(Hi Alan!)
I have a long equation, (fraction equation). It can't be written in one line, it needs two lines. what is the best way to write this equation.
@barznjy one of the amsmath environments align (if you need to align parts) or gather probably
@barznjy texdoc amsmath should show lots of examples
@DavidCarlisle could you write any useful link that have examples?
Q: What is the current state of XeLaTeX et al. and which is the most modern?

Harold CavendishI have been browsing the available TeX.SE as well as external resources regarding particularly XeLaTeX, microtype and popular cases of choice between two virtually equally good alternatives such as KOMA vs. memoir or babel vs. polyglossia and found that they were pretty outdated… or were they? F...

5:50 PM
@DavidCarlisle I found it. Thanks
@JosephWright If we keep looking for the best options all the time we will never get work done. :)
@PauloCereda That is true
@FrankMittelbach, @DavidCarlisle We need to get LaTeX3 News out!
@JosephWright That could be news too. :)
6:12 PM
@JosephWright: how's the Rayman playthrough going? :)
6:33 PM
@JosephWright "too broad"
7:07 PM
hey guys, I found a solution to my question, which is imho better than the recommended ones. Should I respond on my question and accept it as the right answer? :-) Seems weird.
Or maybe just respond and wait for the possible reactions?
@Vochmelka Yes
7:24 PM
@PauloCereda I think the OP wants to put all arara rules directives into an own file, let’s call it arara-rules.tex arara-directives.tex and then reuse this tex file by inputting it in the beginning of all actual tex files.
@DavidCarlisle YES!!!11 That's the right solution. ;-) @PauloCereda could you … (To be serious: I made a break of several months, but have since earned reputation much faster. I wonder why, but given the speed will be the same I should in 3 monts or so reach the 10K level.)
Q: 'e+08' (don't suppress 0) notation in columns with S-specifier

Gerlind Schubertfor symmetry reasons in a large table I want the scientific format with 2 digits (i.e. e+08). By default it suppresses the 0. Here is what I do: \documentclass[]{article} \usepackage{siunitx} \begin{document} \begin{table}[htbp] \begin{center} \footnotesize \def\fix#1{\sisetup{output-expon...

'Do not do this'?
@JosephWright thanks, I've just done that.
@Speravir I'll summon my parrot army. :)
@PauloCereda Hoooh.
@PauloCereda On antohter topic: Did you ever have seen a duck’s claw, emm, A Duck's Claw?
7:43 PM
7:57 PM
@Speravir ooh!
@Johannes_B LOL
Any beekeepers around here?
@PauloCereda Har har!
@Werner Quaaaaack! :)
8:36 PM
@JosephWright @DavidCarlisle then could either of you look a Chris' concern about incorrectly statements around xparse and direction? Sorry, I'm still hung up in work for HP
8:50 PM
@PauloCereda Did you ever plot a duck? Without a huge data file. ;-) There's a new site waiting for it.
9:02 PM
@FrankMittelbach My feeling is to drop the statement entirely at the moment: I'm not really sure Chris is right but we could be a long time discussing and need to release some news!
@JosephWright then go drop or shorten please, thanks
@FrankMittelbach Done
@JosephWright fast
@FrankMittelbach Busy at work, then?
as usual
9:05 PM
@FrankMittelbach Me, isn't it ;-)
@JosephWright unfortunately yes ... writing a business requirement doc
@FrankMittelbach Now Bruno seems to be back, I'm keen to resolve the various things I've been talking about
@FrankMittelbach Fun
@JosephWright can be ... but not when it needs to get finished
@JosephWright but i got around nearly finishing the scripts for the 2e distrib stuff
this morning
@FrankMittelbach Cool
and found a bunch of lvts without tlg etc ....
9:08 PM
@FrankMittelbach I don't track the 2e checkins
@FrankMittelbach Oh dear
it is too stable
@FrankMittelbach Do they show 'issues'?
@FrankMittelbach Not a problem, really: changes to 2e are not the way to make progress
@JosephWright we should do a round of correcting stuff and put out a new 2e as well
@FrankMittelbach Yes, that is true, certainly if there are fixes in the SVN but not in the wild
@JosephWright how can you tell :-)
9:10 PM
@FrankMittelbach :-)
@JosephWright certainly true for tools area
which is why I want to get this decoupled and which is why I need to get rid of cons
even though .bat is perhaps a questionable step forward :-)
@FrankMittelbach Works: more than we can say for cons on Windows :-)
@FrankMittelbach I'd like to think our batch scripts are pretty good, really
Who wrote them again ;-)
@JosephWright can't remember :-)
but the problem is for the kernel stuff you need more complex things
like making sure that you only really only test using the distrib and not something else from your env
heh need to get back to my BRD
@FrankMittelbach :-)
@FrankMittelbach Remember I run the L3 tests and doc builds twice for each CTAN update :-) (Once before stepping SVN version, once after)
@JosephWright that wouldn't help
if you have for example a wrong file in your local tree then it would possibly used before and after if you are unlikely
9:17 PM
@FrankMittelbach I meant that I'm used to having to be cautious about what gets tested
i've seen it all happening
@JosephWright and that is good, but it doesnt so much if that gets wrong in case of L3 (at the moment)
it is worse if that happens with 2e
anyway ... nearly done
@FrankMittelbach I'd disagree, but that's perhaps because I have packages depending on expl3 with my direct e-mail address on them
Mess up fontspec, get serious complaints
@JosephWright different magnitude still but anyway, kernel with format generation is not in our standard scripts
@JosephWright just ran the updated file, and I think it is fine, but I would think we should perhaps drop the \newpage now ... what do you think?
@FrankMittelbach No, I'd leave alone: your part is slightly 'separate' and feels better to me starting on a fresh page
@JosephWright I feel the gap is too large. perhaps we should also add the L3 logo then in addition to fill the space
not that that one is necessarily going to be the final one
9:26 PM
@FrankMittelbach Let's see if Chris is happy with the text!
@FrankMittelbach On the tests, should I take a look at the LaTeX2e SVN for refinements for the L3 ones?
@JosephWright eh? plain english please
@FrankMittelbach Well, you said that to test for LaTeX2e you needed to be more careful than the current scripts I put together for LaTeX3, so I wondered if there is something to do in the LaTeX3 SVN on this
@JosephWright couple of examples: how do you ensure that you only zip together the files that you are supposed to distribute? (the clean goal isn't really of help here as it will not kill extra files with the right extension etc)
in the original make files we had a proper list of files that should end up in the distrib dir and that was actually verified (not too many an no missing) ... but this is long gone with cons
worse all my emacs backup files ended in my first attempt :-)
@JosephWright but to answer more generally, on the whole I think the L3 scripts are fine
@FrankMittelbach I guess I have a different philosophy: clean should remove any extracted files, ctan should take those which are know to be sources plus those of extracted type and so clean ctan can only pick up files which are sources or extracted from sources, so sources rather than script determines what is distributed
@FrankMittelbach Hopefully we can move to a Lua solution at some point (looks at @PauloCereda) :-)
@JosephWright clean does that, but it will not remove the extra file I have already started to prepare but which is not ready for distrib yet (happened to me in tools where I added an extra .dtx to merge with multicol
@JosephWright yep I like the docstrip approach ... use a tool that is there on any platform
@JosephWright now who wrote that program :-)
9:39 PM
@FrankMittelbach In all seriousness, I've been reading up again on Lua so perhaps it is the time to look more seriously at this. Only issue I guess is that Lua is not perhaps as stable as one might like.
We might then imagine a pretty simple config file for each directory
Which could easily include an explicit list of files
Q: problem with eqnarray

HaouamWould you like to help me please i'm a beginner ! what's wrong with my code? {\setlength{\jot}{0.40 cm} \begin{eqnarray*} n^*_{11} & = & \dfrac{n_{1.}\times n_{.1}}{n} \\ & = & \dfrac{120 \times 120}{200} \\ \text{avec} \quad \sum_{k=1}^{q} n^*_{jk} & = & n_{j.} \quad...

> what's wrong with my code?
'You are using eqnarray' a valid answer?
@JosephWright Aye aye, captain! :)
@Joseph, @Frank: there are a couple of ideas about scripts and friends that we can share. :)
9:54 PM
@PauloCereda I'm thinking something relatively simple, doing the same as our current make scripts/Perl script for make check, but no other changes. More or less a 'drop in' replacement initially.
@PauloCereda Hi Paulo
@FrankMittelbach Hello Frank! :)
@JosephWright Pretty much my thoughts. :)
@PauloCereda @JosephWright ... I'll drop ... really need to get some work done
@FrankMittelbach Bye
@FrankMittelbach Take care, Frank! :) Good night! :)
9:56 PM
Didier Verna comes visiting tomorrow and gives a concert in Mainz on Saturday
@FrankMittelbach Cool! The jazz band?
@PauloCereda yep
@FrankMittelbach woohoo
@FrankMittelbach Cool
@Joseph: can't wait for the L3 band. :)
9:59 PM
he plays fretless guitar
@FrankMittelbach Cool! :)
@PauloCereda never had seen such a thing before
@FrankMittelbach I heard of a tenor guitar, but not a fretless one!
check out his CD I really like his music (new one coming out in a couple of weeks he is bringing the new band and the new songs
@FrankMittelbach I'll take a look later on. :)
10:05 PM
@JosephWright filled the hole with Paulo's picture
tell me what you think
... really need to ddrop :-)
10:31 PM
@FrankMittelbach, @JosephWright something for fixltx2e or is it too late to change? tex.stackexchange.com/questions/166765/…
10:50 PM
@DavidCarlisle I had to solve a similar problem in the GuIT forum.
@egreg looking at latex.ltx I think \thinspace, \negthinspace, \enspace and \footnoterule are the only uses of \kern that could come in either mode
11:42 PM
@DavidCarlisle And the first three should have been prefixed with \leavevmode.
11:55 PM
@egreg and the last by \par?
@DavidCarlisle Well, that one should always be called in vertical mode.
@egreg true, but just in case:-)

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