@PauloCereda speaking of xkcd comics, you and the others here might enjoy this one, if you haven't already seen it. :)

@Adam one of my favorites! :-)

@PaulGessler agreed! Aside from the .tex mention, the bar for .gif is pretty entertaining, too.

@PauloCereda not into gaming, no but my sons are a bit so we do have the usual selection way back to an Amiga

@Adam LOL :)

@FrankMittelbach :)

@tohecz your downloads already finished? :P

@hugovdberg depends on which ones

@tohecz the several gigabytes that filled your internet connection last night ;)

@hugovdberg those yes. Just now I linked my dropbox folder => another 400MB to go :)

@tohecz lol, luckily that's usually only necessary to sync once :)

@hugovdberg yep. I just want to make sure the files I need to work with at work work, and then I can take the new PC with me instead of the old one

Oh, I'm out of votes.

@PauloCereda so late?

@tohecz I know. :( I'm slower these days.

:)

@tohecz I recently finally figured out how to make use of dropbox for my tex files without having to sync every auxiliary file causing dropbox to constantly sync while compiling, you gotta love your hardlinks ;)

@hugovdberg I sync everything. I want to have tex, bbl, bib and pdf synced anyways, it's not a big difference

@tohecz my computer somehow didn't really like it, compiling documents is about 3 times faster now than while compiling in dropbox, now it only has to sync tex, bib and pdf when those files change

@hugovdberg well, syncing shouldn't influence speed. For the drive operation, Dropbox folder is just a folder, the fact that there's a watchdog on it shouldn't influence the io speed

@tohecz hmm, maybe it's the damn slow laptop harddrive that doesn't like dropbox reading and syncing everything latex just changed

ah well, I've got to go now, see you guys later!

@hugovdberg later!

Is everything written down true or possible? Is a calculation true, just because it is written on paper?

Pi is exactly three!

:)

@PauloCereda You just made my day <3

@Johannes_B <3

@Johannes_B Ah, the New Pi

@JosephWright Let's not submit to the arbitrary decisions of long dead mathematicians.

@Johannes_B wasn't it 3.2? youtube.com/watch?v=bFNjA9LOPsg

Please, I am looking for a suggestion of a simple and well documented package that I can use as an example to prepare my own package for submission to CTAN.

@Romildo I believe packages from the chatroom regulars are a good start. :)

Except @David's xii. :)

@cgnieder has even a template for that, I guess. :)

Gents, If you haven'r heard this is great news! acm.org/news/featured/awards/turing-award-2013

Hi @Yiannis! Long time no see, buddy! How are you?

@PauloCereda Hi! Paulo, everything is fine, moved to Dubai for a large Project and things have been hectic.

@PauloCereda what's wrong with that? The documentation is published in full in TUGBoat, which is more than can be said for most packages.

@DavidCarlisle :)

@YiannisLazarides oh!

That turing award announcement document was done in MS word!

@hftf Quite fitting considering the employer of the recipient

@egreg I updated the bug report at the luaotfload github, I'm quite confident it's in that package somehow, it's the entire \liningmain font that's not loaded with the correct OpenType features

@DavidCarlisle :)

@PauloCereda A template for what? Package documentation?

@cgnieder Yep. :)

@PauloCereda Well, sort of: I use my own class for my manuals and I guess the source files of those manuals are something like templates for the class...

@cgnieder :)

@JosephWright did you see the code posted (I started to look last night but it was too late:-) tex.stackexchange.com/questions/166278/…

Big power shortage. :(

@PauloCereda hmm, I kind of experience that personally at the moment, think I'm going to make some food ;) good luck surviving! ;)

@hugovdberg As long as I have internet, I might survive. :)

@PauloCereda ah the great life giving powers of Tim Berners Lee :P

@hugovdberg :D

@DavidCarlisle Yes, saw it but will need to wait until after work to read through

@DavidCarlisle No actual conditional: I guess something like the old \str_if_eq_var_p:nf from expl3 (\if ... \fi round each char then use \if\number and '13 for termination)

@PauloCereda got a UPS? :)

@tohecz I have one, but not enough for the period. :)

@PauloCereda ah, maybe if you switch from desktop to laptop :)

btw, don't you know if Examples in AMS journals should be in \theoremstyle{definition} or {remark} ?

@tohecz Whichever you prefer, I'd say. They'll change it to what they prefer.

@egreg ok, makes sense, after all :)

and maybe a 2nd question: Is there a clean way how to force custom biblabel with amsalpha?

@tohecz Example?

@manual {sage,
    key = {Sage},
    organization = {The Sage Group},
    title = {{Sage}: {O}pen Source Mathematical Software (version 5.10)},
    note = {\url{sagemath.org}},
    year = {2013},
}

@egreg it gives [Sag], while I would prefer [Sage]

it's even worse with key={Ti\textit{k}Z}

\begin{filecontents*}{\jobname.bib}
@manual{sage,
    key = {{\SAGE}},
    organization = {The Sage Group},
    title = {{Sage}: {O}pen Source Mathematical Software (version 5.10)},
    note = {\url{sagemath.org}},
    year = {2013},
}
\end{filecontents*}
\documentclass{amsart}
\usepackage{url}
\providecommand{\SAGE}{Sage}
\begin{document}
\cite{sage}
\bibliographystyle{amsalpha}
\bibliography{\jobname}
\end{document}

@tohecz ^^^

Gives \bibitem[\SA13]{sage} to me :-/

sorry, maybe not!

@egreg good, but now they're first in the bibliography, and not ordered by Sage and Tikz

ok, key = {Sa{\SAGE}} seems to be the way

\begin{filecontents*}{\jobname.bib}
@manual{sage,
    key = {Sa{\GE}},
    organization = {The Sage Group},
    title = {{Sage}: {O}pen Source Mathematical Software (version 5.10)},
    note = {\url{sagemath.org}},
    year = {2013},
}
\end{filecontents*}
\documentclass{amsart}
\usepackage{url}
\providecommand{\GE}{ge}
\begin{document}
\cite{sage}
\bibliographystyle{amsalpha}
\bibliography{\jobname}
\end{document}

@egreg oui, c'est ça!

@egreg Thanks a lot!

@egreg I'm a bit jealous.. wish I could figure out these things as quickly as you do :P

@hugovdberg How long are you using TeX/LaTeX?

@egreg @egreg 8 years or so, not too terribly long compared to some people around here using TeX before I was even born :P

@egreg I've had another solution that I used. I put key = {Sa\} and defined \1#1 -> \ifcase#1\relax \textit{k}Z\or\or\or ge\fi since TikZ is from 2010 and Sage from 2013 :)

@hugovdberg That's the difference: I started using TeX in 1987.

@egreg that year's familiar to me (literally) :)

@egreg haha that's what I'm talking about, I was born in 1987

@egreg apparently many good things started that year :P

@hugovdberg So you have no good excuse for being so late in starting using it. :P

Maybe not 1987, but around 1993…

@egreg I started using Pascal in '93 :)

@tohecz Horrible hack. ;)

@egreg indeed, I love these :D

the only problem was that I usually define \1 -> {-1} to save me two strokes in x^\1 (and this is a horrible hack)

@egreg LOL, we didn't even have a computer at home that I was allowed to touch, had an Amstrad PC until '95 or something like that, and only around '98 my father allowed me to use it

@egreg and only around 2005/2006 I first heard of LaTeX, that was love at first sight :)

@hugovdberg my dad brought the first PC home in '93

@hugovdberg I had my first home computer in 1987: a Macintosh Plus with 1MiB RAM and a 45MiB hard disk, with OzTeX in it. Extending the memory reserved to TeX once got me the "This can't happen" error message. ;-)

@tohecz I think that Amstrad was a PC 1512, so that would be from '86, not sure whether my dad got it new or used (probably the latter)

@hugovdberg Consider that David only allows M to touch his Lego.

@hugovdberg ours was from his workplace, it was something like case of 86, bowels of 286 but actually a 386

@tohecz I guess that's where ours came from as well, but I'm quite sure it was never upgraded

@egreg did OzTeX come preinstalled or did you purposefully install it yourself? Because for example my father actually never heard of TeX/LaTeX before I told him about it ;)

@hugovdberg Ten 800 KiB diskettes

@DavidCarlisle, @brunolefloch I fixed the comment (46 -> 38) on the expandable test question :-)

@tohecz my first programs were BASIC scripts, and some DOS shell scripting, later HTML/PHP, and quite recently Fortran (which I actually learned so fast I was teaching our teacher the more intricate details during class :P) and C++ with CUDA

@hugovdberg my way to go was Pascal, C++, HTML+PHP, and very recently Python. Of course, bash and stuff don't count :) and TeX is a seperate story

@egreg those large 5" diskettes? or did that already have the smaller 3.5"?

@hugovdberg 3.5"

@egreg but one-sided then, the two-sided ones were 1.44MB

@tohecz Yes, the two-sided ones came later. The Macintosh SE was the first able to read them.

@tohecz At the time 1.44MiB seemed huge storage capability.

@egreg Yup

@egreg High density, after all :-)

@egreg yep, and everything was twisted around: memory was better available the harddrive, so you made a virtual drive in memory, copied your diskette there, and then run the program :)

@tohecz 800KiB diskettes were two-sided!

@egreg :-)

@egreg really? So there were two different types of two-sided 3.5"?

@tohecz Yes, the one-sided had only 400KiB, but drives could read both kinds

High density disks were two-sided and stored 1.44MiB

@egreg I never came across any one-sided 3.5" ones: they were more common (at least here in the UK) with the 5.25" variety

@egreg I thought 360/720/1440

@JosephWright Indeed, they had short life.

@JosephWright Everybody talked about 800K

From en.wikipedia.org

The first Macintosh computers used single-sided 3 1⁄2-inch inch floppy disks, but with 400 KB formatted capacity. These were followed in 1986 by double-sided 800 KB floppies. The higher capacity was achieved at the same recording density by varying the disk rotation speed with arm position so that the linear speed of the head was closer to constant. Later Macs could also read and write 1.44 MB HD disks in PC format with fixed rotation speed.

Just to get 80K more. ;-)

@egreg Here in the UK we referred to them as 720 kB: was on the boxes :-)

@JosephWright formatted or unformatted?

@egreg Did you ever see any of the 2.88 MB ones 'in the wild'? I saw them advertised but never actually found one

@tohecz Formatted, I think: my stock such as it is is at my mum's, so I can't check here

@JosephWright Also those had a short life, IIRC

@egreg Yes

@egreg Then again, I've used 8" disks on a CP/M machine, so in comparison 1.44 MB was enormous and convenient :-)

@JosephWright I remember a professor who was using an Olivetti I-don't-know-what-model, with those 8" floppy disks.

@JosephWright that can make the difference

@egreg We had them at school: a big Winchester unit, etc. :-)

8" was needed to boot the server

@JosephWright I think we actually had one or two at home, not sure if my parents still have their collection of floppy disks.

Did those big ZIP drives ever get really popular? Those were really huge in storage capacity at that time, my father every once in a while lended a drive from his workplace, that's about the only time I ever saw them

@hugovdberg we used to use them quite a lot. The dark blue sexy machine was on the table just next to the computer, and was on quite often

@hugovdberg Were here: I had one

@tohecz yeah those drives did look really sleek in comparison to the dull grey boxes next to them :P

research.microsoft.com/en-us/news/features/lamport-031814.aspx

> And many at Microsoft have benefited from the LaTeX document-preparation system, created by Lamport.

@hugovdberg good old times oh what did I just say? :D

@JosephWright Please, how do you correctly say "the most far point from $0$"? Is it "the furthermost point from $0$"?

@tohecz well, I think in most cases I'm better off these days :P now I have TeX instead of Word Perfect 5.1 and later MS Word :P

@tohecz the point farthest away from $0$?

@hugovdberg I sometimes use Word, too /blush but only when communicating with non-TeX colleagues

@tohecz 'the point furthest from $0$' feels more natural

@hugovdberg Also natural

@JosephWright well, I found out I need to speak about the distance, so it will be the maximal distance from $0$ to the vertices of $T$

@JosephWright which is more common, furthest or farthest? Probably depends on where you are, or is it more a case of a language evolving over time?

@hugovdberg Hmm, farthest is probably 'more correct' here

@tohecz Sometimes I use Word as well, mostly when some prof only accepts submissions in doc (almost never docx :P), and usually I use Libre Office then, and part of me hopes the layout is all messed up on their computer just so I can say that that wouldn't have happend with PDF :P

@hugovdberg Thinking about it, furthest seems to require a second case as a comparison (A is further than B, C is furthest away)

@JosephWright haha I was also just looking it up, found this english.stackexchange.com/questions/19680/farthest-vs-furthest

@hugovdberg Seems not unreasonable

I gotta go, it's 9pm and I'm at work still

Guys, I'm ordering a dog tag. Any hints for an additional text? :)

@PauloCereda with your name, there's no space for additional text :p

@tohecz hey! <3

@PauloCereda we'll be getting them for the boyscouts if we decide to use MASH as the camp theme

@tohecz ooh!

I think I'll stick with my name, my blood type and probably something along the lines, "In case of death, don't write my obituary in Word." :)

see you tomorrow!

@tohecz Bye, Tom!

damn, 12 km bike ride home night at night, will be interesting

@tohecz Did the ride home go well?

Is there a canonical question about table rules being hidden by coloured cells, and this being usually a viewer-artifact? Asking because it turned up again: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/166519/…

@egreg yep, everything ok :) Well, someone was shouting something at me from a car, but I pretty much ignored that ;)

@tohecz In French? Reply in Czech: problem solved. :)

@PauloCereda I'm in Prague tho ;)

@tohecz oopsie. :)

btw, have you got any idea on

@tohecz Maybe that person wasn't used to French style cycling.

@tohecz No idea. :(

@egreg maybe he wasn't used to seeing a cyclist at 10pm in cyclewear