English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

Saladin

14:08

hey

guys do u know the seat type for tall guys in aeroplane ?

where this is enough leg space..

anyone

RegDwighт

The cargo bay?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Saladin seat type?

Saladin

yes is it exit row one

Matt Эллен

@KitFox cursèd work!

tchrist

@RegDwighт Moscow’s memorably marmoreal metro maze.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

14:24

@Saladin oh. Yeah sometimes the exit rows have more leg room. but also you might not be able to stow luggage under the seat ahead of you.

tchrist

@Cerberus “Softdrugs”?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Or you could fly business class.

Saladin

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 you mean hand luggage?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Saladin yes, carry-on items. during take-off and landing you have to put everything away and most people have at least something to put under the seat.

a purse, a knapsack, etc.

Saladin

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 so you saying there would be no room to put under my exit row seat

tchrist

14:26

What’s with all the bogus not-an-answer flags?

Somebody musta been on a flag binge.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

no room under the seat in front of you, which is where you put stuff. There MAY be room, but maybe not. the space in front of you has to remain unobstructed for emergency exits.

RegDwighт

Clearly it's Whoopi.

Or Gerard.

Matt Эллен

@tchrist maybe someone's having a bad day and this is how they let off steam

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

I ran into whoopi goldberg at a bookstore once.

RegDwighт

Did she run back into you?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

14:28

no

Matt Эллен

Did she make you join a choir of nuns?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

she was blocking the aisle, talking to someone, I had to ask them to move aside so I could go through

Saladin

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 i get it; probably i would get the stewardess to help me out

RegDwighт

Nov 15 '12 at 16:20, by Robusto

@RegDwighт That's half of the joke. The other half is that she is famous for anything.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@RegDwighт yeah poor me. I couldn't run into a celebrity that I actually care about, has to be her.

Matt Эллен

14:33

in EL&U Blog, 2 hours ago, by Matt Эллен

Hopefully now that there are posts from @KitFox, me and @cornbreadninja麵包忍者 in the works, we should be able to sustain nice high viewing figures.

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者

Johan Larsson

Has anyone here used the yahoo finance api?

Matt Эллен

I haven't

Johan Larsson

@MattЭллен ty sir

Matt Эллен

np :)

Johan Larsson

Usually I hesitate but close my eyes and press enter. Did not even think about that one :D

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

14:37

@MattЭллен yes. In the works. clears throat

Matt Эллен

:D good good!

@JohanLarsson I would make that mistake if I started writing "have any of you" then changed my mind and wrote anyone.

Johan Larsson

15:06

@MattЭллен but Matt > Johan :D

Matt Эллен

maybe at speaking English :D

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

dammit MySQL, why you gotta have case-sensitive table names, only on linux? Fuuuuugh

Andrew Leach

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 That's the way the file system works.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@AndrewLeach That's a lame excuse.

Andrew Leach

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Sorry.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

15:15

Other DBs manage to be case-insensitive on Linux.

Andrew Leach

Well, you get what you pay for, I suppose.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@AndrewLeach yes, sadly, I didn't want to choose this platform, it was foisted on me.

Andrew Leach

Just alter all your table names to lowercase. Or uppercase.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@AndrewLeach yeah, sure. But I need to make sure that no code (developed on Windows) makes it to production (on linux) with the wrong case

Matt Эллен

or create a casing system that's really hard to remember, like every second letter in symbols whose position in the text is whole number divisible by 4...

KitFox

15:20

With your e's and your ease and I do one more

And this gentle little chain of love can break

get a little crazy

Why does there gotta be a sacrifice?

Matt Эллен

To know you really mean it

KitFox

Oh I mean it.

Quesadilla, away with this pretense.

You cannot speak, but tempt me in my hunger's absence.

Andrew Leach

Are you writing lyrics? (Or should I have recognised them?)

Matt Эллен

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Q: What is the word, to describe trying to find the right word for something?

There is a "meanings" tag on english SE, but I would like the opposite way around - I have a meaning already, I want the word (if it exists) for doing just this

single-word-requests

a SWR for single word request. we can close the site now

5

@KitFox bellicophagery!

KitFox

15:40

This is news? gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/…

Like, national news?

Anyway, yes! Bellicophagery! (I had to rescue my MiL's email from a phisherman.)

Matt Эллен

those bastards cast a wide net

@KitFox ha ha ha. because cap and cat sound similar. should be international.

KitFox

@MattЭллен It was about ten minutes after it had been hacked, but it was of course too late. I think he'd already hit every single contact.

This one was smart enough to email in small batches.

Matt Эллен

did it get much personal info?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

okay, I found a rape joke that I think is appropriate:

well, really it's a sign joke.

Matt Эллен

about infertility

KitFox

15:49

@MattЭллен I don't know. I think it was just access to her email account.

RegDwighт

It's okay if the seeds laugh.

Matt Эллен

@KitFox at least that's something

KitFox

Of course, she probably should change all of her passwords, since they are all the same.

Matt Эллен

yeah

KitFox

Rapeseed oil

RegDwighт

15:50

Well. So on the plus side, she has to change just one password.

KitFox

So then I was laughing because I got stuck on reading Yahoo News.

And there's this news.yahoo.com/…

RegDwighт

hunter3

KitFox

Where the kid's father amusingly says:

> “Every aspect of this is just totally wrong,” Lardieri added. “He has no background of anything criminal up until now and **it just seems like nobody wants to admit they’re wrong.**”

RegDwighт

He should have spelled NRA as NSA. Stupid.

KitFox

Oh right. Can't do those together. Well, emphasis mine.

@RegDwighт Whoa, better use rot-13 if you're posting passwords here.

Cerberus

15:52

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 This one doesn't link to the actual research.

RegDwighт

@KitFox 1) you can only see it because you're a mod, 2) you can't see it, that is rot-13.

Cerberus

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Neither does this one.

KitFox

@RegDwighт Oh. Good.

Cerberus

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 OMG you're encouraging rape.

Matt Эллен

@RegDwighт what's that you've starred out?

RegDwighт

15:54

Here, I can link to actual research.

KitFox

Me too

Cerberus

Thanks. That clears it up, then.

Matt Эллен

lol

KitFox

Oi!

Cerberus

Fail!

RegDwighт

15:54

See, Kit can't link.

Only I can.

KitFox

coughs

RegDwighт

Link you can believe in.

KitFox

Total fail

RegDwighт

Total recall of epic fail.

KitFox

@RegDwighт You are cute as Link.

@RegDwighт It wasn't that bad.

And by as I mean "when you dress up as", not "equal to".

RegDwighт

15:56

Yeah, it was like this bad.

KitFox

Like this, that, and this, and up.

Matt Эллен

@KitFox but is he as cute as Link as Link?

KitFox

►

@MattЭллен Cuter.

Cerberus

@RegDwighт Is it still 39 degrees?

> Volgens een steekproef van Weeronline.nl hoeft de extreme hitte voor meer dan de helft van Nederland niet. 52 procent heeft liever een temperatuur van een graad of 24.

"More than half of the people surveyed dislike this hot weather. 52 % prefer 24 degrees."

RegDwighт

I am about to commute. So I will answer that question from first-hand experience shortly.

Matt Эллен

15:59

sounds like I should come to the Netherlands. I like it hotter

Cerberus

And yet those stupid weather forecast always praise 30+ degrees. Even though thousands of people die.

RegDwighт

Thousands of people die anyway.

Cerberus

I hope you make it!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Zombocom: the most welcoming site on earth

Cerberus

Thousands more die on very hot days.

Matt Эллен

15:59

bai!

RegDwighт

All hail global warming!

KitFox

We gotta break em off something.

RegDwighт

The problem will take care of itself!

Cerberus

So far, the weather has been cool, this year.

RegDwighт

No shit.

Cerberus

16:00

Today and tomorrow are so far the exception.

RegDwighт

Over and out.

Cerberus

Thank God they turned on A/C in uni.

Bye.

Inside, it still bearable. Brick walls keep the cool inside.

Outside, it's now very cloudy, so it's much better than a few hours ago.

KitFox

It's about 23 degrees here.

I'd rather it were a little cooler.

@AndrewLeach Oh sorry. I was just playing around. Some lyrics and modified lyrics.

Andrew Leach

@KitFox That's OK. I haven't missed any more of my education than I already knew about, then :)

Cerberus

Yeah, I prefer 20 degrees, maybe 25 max when all I have to do is sit in the shade.

tchrist

16:23

@Cerberus We have 100 degrees all the time, and people don’t die. They don’t die in Spain either. You’re just weak.

Cerberus

They do die. Either way, you have A/C everywhere.

And you use cars with A/C for everything.

And you personally aren't poor. Have you thought of the poor in your country?

KitFox

Will nobody think of the children?

tchrist

@Cerberus The Navajo Nation is poor. They live in the desert. They have no air conditioning. They don’t die. Learn to live with it.

Cerberus

Who says their old and weak don't die?

tchrist

@Cerberus The burden of proof rests with the affirmative.

Cerberus

16:30

I don't think this discussion is beneficial in any way.

tchrist

You guys don’t know how to cope with weather. We knew that.

It’s not newsworthy.

Cerberus

Most people here hate the heat, many die, and yet weather forecasts say "yay, it's going to be 38 degrees, rejoice!". That's what I'm talking about. Somehow, they don't announce flooding in that tone, even though it's fun for children to peddle around a flooded town.

tchrist

I’ve lived in the desert, outdoors, in 100-120 degree heat, for months on end. I have no sympathy for people who don’t understand how to live in simple weather. Don’t be dumb, and you’ll be fine.

Outdoors like in camping. No air conditioning.

Cerberus

I don't care about your sympathy. I know you have none.

tchrist

I have no sympathy for stupidity. That’s true.

Stupidity kills.

It’s the only universal capital crime, and the sentence is carried out without prejudice and without mercy.

The sad thing is that too often they’ve already reproduced and passed along their bad genes.

Cerberus

16:37

Will you say the same thing if my older friend dies from a heat stroke tomorrow, after having been in a sun-heated train, having waited standing for a bus standing outside in the heat, and in his apartment on the top floor directly under the roof without A/C? It can be 60+ degrees in the sun if it's 40 in the shade.

And the dew point will be into the twenties. It's already 19 now, so perspiration is not very effective any more.

tchrist

Dew point?

I’ve heard of that.

Cerberus

Dew point

The dew point is the temperature below which the water vapor in a volume of humid air at a given constant barometric pressure will condense into liquid water at the same rate at which it evaporates. Condensed water is called dew when it forms on a solid surface. The dew point is a water-to-air saturation temperature. The dew point is associated with relative humidity. A high relative humidity indicates that the dew point is closer to the current air temperature. Relative humidity of 100% indicates the dew point is equal to the current temperature and that the air is maximally saturated w...

Air temperature is irrelevant anyway: it's perceived temperature that counts.

The sun and humidity can make it far worse.

Johan Larsson

It is equivalent to absolute humidity (kg/m^3) for gasses I think

Cerberus

Ehh probably!

But it is given as a temperature.

Today, it was 19 degrees.

KitFox

Right. The temperature at which that occurs.

When the air will hold no more humidity.

Or when it will rain, roughly.

tchrist

16:45

At which what occurs? Dew?

KitFox

Yes.

When water will condense out of the atmosphere.

tchrist

That sort of thing just doesn’t happen here.

Johan Larsson

@tchrist Yep the dew point is 100% relative humidity

tchrist

See the blue line?

KitFox

You can use it as a measure of relative humidity.

Cerberus

16:46

If a surface is below the dew point, it can't lose any energy any more my means of evaporation.

tchrist

Cerberus

So the higher the dew point, the less energy your body can cast off through perspiration.

tchrist

The red and blue are almost always very far apart.

That’s why our heat index is lower than the temperature.

KitFox

Except when it rains.

Cerberus

They say that a dew point of 18 degrees or higher already makes people feel uncomfortable.

tchrist

16:47

Except when it rains.

I have no idea what that means.

His not hers.

KitFox

In the South, those lines are usually much closer together.

For instance. It's very humid.

Cerberus

They can't lose a lot of heat through perspiration any more over 18 degrees.

tchrist

As long as the red stream doesn’t cross the blue stream, there will be no purple disasters.

KitFox

Unless you are fighting the Stay-Puft marshmellow man.

tchrist

Does he turn purple when you cook him? That explains a lot.

KitFox

16:49

The point is, the higher the humidity, the less you can sweat.

tchrist

Dew point just isn’t something people talk about here. I can hang my clothes out on the line after dark and they’re bone-dry by morning. “Dew” is one of those theoretical things that just doesn’t happen here.

KitFox

So you cool yourself less effectively.

tchrist

I am allergic to humidity.

It makes me cranky.

KitFox

Well, we weren't talking about there. It's very dry there.

tchrist

The relative humidity was 80% this morning. But there was still 15 degrees between the temp and the dew point.

KitFox

16:50

And anyway, I was going to stay out of it.

tchrist

I won’t leave the Rockies during the summertime except to go to the desert.

Can’t stand the cesspool of peasoupland.

You know something else that comes with this clime? You don’t need pit spray.

Because the sweat dries instantly, so no place for crap to grow.

KitFox

Pit spray? Like deodorant?

Cerberus

TMI

leaves room

KitFox

I rarely use that anyway.

tchrist

@KitFox Right.

If you shower dailyish and put on clean clothes daily, who needs it?

KitFox

16:54

It's not particularly humid here either.

tchrist

@Cerberus Pit spray, not crotch perfume.

KitFox

Not that it's arid.

Cerberus

You're disgusting.

tchrist

@Cerberus Are you truly unaware of the huge market for all that stuff?

What gets me is that some of those are marked “used”.

Nothing like a market-driven economy, eh?

I was wrong. It does list Spain and Portugal as countries with heat-deaths during the 2003 heat-wave.

I note, however, that it doesn’t include Finland or Scotland. Go figger.

Cerberus

@tchrist D'oh.

"Selected examples".

Note that tomorrow's temperature, if correctly predicted, would have been 20 degrees above average max temp. That's 35 degrees F above normal, or something like that.

> In Finland, the heat wave in 1972 is estimated to have increased the number of deaths by 840 and the hot weather in 2003 by 250 cases.

@tchrist So more people died in the 2003 heat wave in Spain than in the destruction of the Twin Towers.

Admittedly the number of life-years lost in Spain was probably lower; but still healthy people also die from the heat, for example if they have to work in an extremely hot room, or outside in the sun.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

17:36

I could use a heat wave right now. This has been one of the coldest springs I can ever remember.

On the bright side I don't need to spend money on a/c.

Cerberus

What's your temp?

Matt Эллен

how come the unicorn feed never pops up in here?

Charlie

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus 21°C

Cerberus

And you don't like that??

You're crazy. 21 is perfect.

Meanwhile:

> If you put enough intelligent, independent, anti-authoritarian people in positions of relative power, at a time when government and enterprise are perceived to have lost moral authority and contravene the individualist ideals they purport to defend, you will sooner or later produce a Snowden.

Enterprise, having moral authority??

How would that ever be possible?

Matt Эллен

who knew?

Cerberus

17:46

It sounds like a weird kind of capitalist fetishism.

Capitalism, like democracy, is a necessary evil, as Churchill said.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus This is the warmest it's been in three weeks.

Cerberus

Except that democracy is slightly less evil.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I would kill for 10 degrees.

Matt Эллен

10 degrees less, or 10 degrees above freezeing?

Cerberus

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Can you see the other side of the lake btw?

@MattЭллен I'd kill for either.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus what lake

Cerberus

17:47

Toronto is located by a lake, isn't it?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

oh, yeah, but I'm quite far from it

and it's a pretty damn big lake

Matt Эллен

It's quite humid in Oxford, so the 21 degrees is nice

Cerberus

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 So can you, when you're near the water?

@MattЭллен 21 is nice, sure. But I'll take 10 over 28 any time.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus no. It's 85 km wide

Cerberus

I mean from north to south.

Is it that wide?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

17:50

@Cerberus yes.

Cerberus

Okay.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

pretty

damn

big

18,960 km2 in area

Cerberus

In clear weather, you can see Venezuela from Curaçao, which is about 71 km.

It must be weird, such a huge lake.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus really?

Cerberus

I've never seen any lake so large that you couldn't see the other side.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Yup.

So my friends told me, who lived there.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

17:52

@Cerberus I don't think so.

Cerberus

I know so.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

They must be standing up pretty high to see so far.

Cerberus

Maybe you need to be on a high building, that's possible.

But there aren't any really high buildings on Curaçao.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

if you are 6'6" the horizon is only 3 miles away blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2009/01/15/…

Maybe you need to be on a high point of curacao and you can see some tall feature of Venezuela. But you certainly couldn't see the beach from a beach.

Cerberus

Sure, you can stand on a tall building.

Or a hill.

forum.curacao.nl/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1357

tchrist

17:57

I can normally see things that are more than fifty miles away.

They tend to be taller than me. Or shorter.

Hm. Lower down.

Cerberus

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus ah, they are seeing mountains in Venezuela.

Cerberus

They say that's Venezuela.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Sure.

All the people on Curaçao confirm that this is what you can see from Curaçao.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus well, mountains are pretty damn tall. They will be visible from quite far away over the horizon.

Cerberus

Sure. So what?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

18:00

The great lakes area is not mountainous like that.

Cerberus

Okay.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

There is nothing to see on the other side of the lake. On account of the horizon.

Maybe from the top of the CN Tower you could see something.

Cerberus

*on account of its being the USA

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus on account of nothing is tall enough there to be visible over the horizon.

Cerberus

There's nothing to see there, because it's boring, walk along? I thought that's what you meant.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

18:03

> On a clear day, visitors to the CN Tower's observation deck can see over 160 kilometers (100 miles) -- that's all the way to Niagara Falls and across Lake Ontario to New York State.

Cerberus

See?

Yes, you see.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

so there you go. if you stand on the tallest thing we've got, and the weather is just right, you can see across the lake. But those conditions almost never hold, and why would you want to see new york state anyway.

Cerberus

18:18

Thank you for your enthusiastic reply.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

I'm always enthusiastic when I'm talking to you.

Cerberus

So I have come to experience.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

btw comment on this post to win a nexus 4

aedia λ

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Our side of Niagara falls is pretty. At least viewed from your side.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@aediaλ Yeah I was just joking about new york state. It's okay. One of my favourite states.

KitFox

18:28

I feel excited about my project again!

Eep!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

yay!

Matt Эллен

woohoo!

aedia λ

Awesome!

Mitch

All right!... wait, is that good or bad?

'eep' is ambiguous

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

eep is better than pee

Mitch

18:38

like you just swallowed an eel. cooked -good, not - bad.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 "I gotta eep" doesn't sound good.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Mitch if you gotta eep, just eep! you can eep anywhere, any time. not like pee. Unless you're a baby.

@Mitch thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4880024/…

Mitch

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 or French

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Mitch enh. pourquois pas, oui?

aedia λ

My day was just made oodles better, paradoxically, by locking myself out of an account and having to chat with my sysadmin. I think it's that his friendliness and willingness to help people always feels contagious, so that every time I have to get his help with something I feel happier and less dumb.

KitFox

Yay!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

18:43

@aediaλ wow! don't ever let that sysadmin quit!

so many sysadmins are jerks about stuff like that.

RegDwighт

@MattЭллен meh:

Jun 21 '11 at 11:59, by RegDwight

I am still waiting for "what's the meaning of 'meaning'" and "what's the etymology of 'etymology'".

aedia λ

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Yeah he's so cheerful he's like the complete anti-BOFH.

I wish I had the power to give him a raise.

Matt Эллен

@RegDwighт if only they weren't gen ref, I'd ask them now

RegDwighт

See. You should have asken when you haved the opportunity.

"He who comes late gets punished by life." M. Gorbachov.

KitFox

That reminds me of the ABCs of dead Russian leaders.

RegDwighт

18:48

0

Q: "It can be safely deleted" vs. "It can safely be deleted"

What's the SUBTLE difference between the following two sentences: "It can be safely deleted" "It can safely be deleted" I guess you guys may say: "They are interchangeable" If so, which do you prefer? Thanks in advance.

differences semantics

> What's the SUBTLE difference...

Excellent.

@KitFox Gorbachov is alive and well.

Matt Эллен

WHAT IS THE subtle DIFFERENCE

RegDwighт

@MattЭллен see, that wouldn't have been excellent.

Matt Эллен

good

KitFox

WHAT IS THE subtle DIFFERENCE!!!???

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

So the renovations in my house should be wrapped up today

KitFox

18:50

applauds

RegDwighт

That whole question is written in such an awful way it makes me want to kill someone, starting with myself.

Seriously.

That kind of writing is rape.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

then I have to paint the trim and we're ready to move stuff back into the bedrooms

Matt Эллен

<blink><marquee>WHAT IS THE</marquee></blink> subtle <blink><marquee>DIFFERENCE</marquee></blink>

RegDwighт

See. You are trying too hard. That is not the path to excellence.

Matt Эллен

It is the path to some of the best HTML ever

RegDwighт

18:53

That guy really followed Yoda's advice to a T. He really didn't try. He just did.

Mkay, so now I've edited the question, and guess what. The rape goes on in the answer.

> The two sentences could be interpreted in subtly different ways but many readers would not.

Many readers would not be interpreted in subtly different ways?

Matt Эллен

lol

RegDwighт

This is too much for my poor soul.

I'm off to play LEGO and blackjack with hookers. In fact, forget the blackjack and the hookers.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@RegDwighт I like to interpret my readers subtly, with bricks to the face.

@RegDwighт btw did you see that I've taken the plunge into trains?

aedia λ

Not a nice gentle slope? Have you gone off the rails?

Robusto

in Hangman room, 59 secs ago, by Caprica Six

@Robusto Correct! The word is electroencephalogram.

Two letters!

RegDwighт

18:59

I hate this day.

The site won't let me go.

-1

Q: Worked in the project or worked on the project?

Which is right: I worked in this project. or I worked on this project. Also about: My duties in this project were... or My duties on this project were...

grammar prepositions

You didn't search the site before posting or you didn't search the site before posting? Please do search the site before posting. — RegDwighт 48 secs ago

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