English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

Matt Эллен

14:00

were they angry at history?

Cerberus

Heh.

Their motivations are still unclear.

It had something to do with a gypsy camp.

But I forgot whether gypsies or their opponents were suspected.

Or perhaps it wasn't gypsies, but some other kind of camp.

At least the building was from the 19th century and not older.

Matt Эллен

maybe they were hunting vampires and this was their nest.

KitFox

Hi @Matt! You're back!

MετάEd

@MattЭллен That's probably it. The media always misreports that sort of thing.

KitFox

Zombies. It was zombies.

MετάEd

14:06

Or somebody released a salamander.

KitFox

I was there, man. It was bad.

Cerberus

Hello.

MετάEd

Hola.

Cerberus

Was Matt away?

Yeah I almost had Hole.

KitFox

Yes. He was looking for wet pussies.

Cerberus

14:07

Nothing personal.

KitFox

Are you really sure you're gay?

Matt Эллен

hi!

yeah.

yeah, I communterd

now I'm about to start coking lunch

typing is fun

Cerberus

Ah.

KitFox

Should I ask about your employment?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

My employment is fine, thanks.

KitFox

14:12

Glad to hear it.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

> A gun stolen from the back seat of a Mercedes in a Florida parking lot and later used in a 2008 Toronto schoolyard shooting was originally bought by Joseph Dobos, a Ft. Lauderdale architect. Dobos said he had no idea where his FN Five-seven handgun ended up until called by the Toronto Star.

> “That’s very strange that it would end up all the way in Canada,” he said. “Well of course I know why: nobody’s allowed to have guns in Canada, which I think is a bad thing.” It is not the first time a gun has been stolen from his car.

Matt Эллен

I am possibly being made redundant, but they haven't chosen between me and t'other fella yet. I'm looking for another job

MετάEd

Students need permission slip to attend santorum event at Detroit-area school

I bet.

Cerberus

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Very strong argument.

MετάEd

@JacobJanTuinstra You rang?

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

14:20

@Mahnax No sir, it was completely my fault for walking away.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

I mean, WTF does he think happens to a stolen gun? it gets used in illegal activity.

Matt Эллен

stolen guns are used by rebels fighting oppression. always

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

in most gun-owner's minds, rebels are terrorists, unless it's they themselves who are rebelling.

Cerberus

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Exactly.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

America: founded by terrorism.

Cerberus

14:22

Of course.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

@KitFox I'm going to have nightmares about that.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

granted most countries have a history of combat in their origins. But still.

Cerberus

All.

Robusto

@Cerberus Come now, let's not agree too quickly. Let them that have never used terrorism or oppressed anybody not throw stones.

I seem to remember Dutch colonial atrocities, for example.

Cerberus

@Robusto I didn't say this kind of "terrorism" was bad, nor that not all of our ancestors have done similar things.

The Dutch terrorist revolt against the Spaniards, for one thing.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

14:26

@Robusto I'm not trying to throw stones per se, just pointing out the disconnect in many people's thinking. The hypocrisy of some (mostly republican) Americans when it comes to guns, violence, and terrorism.

KitFox

I think Ima have a salad today.

Matt Эллен

taco salad?

KitFox

Oh. It's Friday, innit?

Matt Эллен

aye

Robusto

Well, yes ... hypocrisy. I do not deny that it exists in America in a very big way. A huge way, in fact. Still, those who point fingers are often unaware of their own charades.

Matt Эллен

14:28

I think I was doing "one flew over the cuckoo's nest" but I'm not sure

Cerberus

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Yeah, I mean, it's bad to compare real terrorism (terrorising civilians with violence) to other kind of violence or war or strife.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

So another teenage girls has committed suicide after being raped by her classmates. WTF is wrong with people?

Cerberus

Is that the girl who couldn't remember what had happened?

KitFox

ebaumsworld.com/pictures/view/83187111

Cerberus

"Slut-bashing" is really nasty.

@KitFox Very realistic.

KitFox

14:32

You have to look at all of them.

Journeyman Geek

@Cerberus: people who do that kinda crap are one reason we need to bring back sticking heads on a pike

Cerberus

@KitFox OMG, not fat children...

@JourneymanGeek Now, now, I know the photos are bad, but some clemency is in place.

KitFox

The point is the photos being bad.

Cerberus

Yeah.

Journeyman Geek

@Cerberus: we do it after they die ;p

I was refering to the other topic, but whatever

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

14:38

@Cerberus You're probably thinking of the steubenville case.

Journeyman Geek

actually the ebaums link made firefox crash

KitFox

Sorry. It was fine on my FF.

Journeyman Geek

@KitFox: XD I mean it was so horrid, the process lost its will to live

(that or me having too many tabs open for too long)

Cerberus

@JourneymanGeek I know. I was joking.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I...don't know.

My FF never crashes.

KitFox

Holy crap, they caught the North Pond Hermit.

KitFox

14:56

@Mr.Shiny sent me down a rabbit hole. Now it's time for lunch, if I can get there and back before it rains.

MartyIX

Hello. I would like to ask if the sentence: "A teacher should be scheduled for times she prefers." is correct in light of "gender correctness" (I don't know a proper term, I'm sorry). Thanks!

Matt Эллен

if you want to use a gender neutral pronoun, use they

Cerberus

Or he or she.

Matt Эллен

if your teacher is guaranteed to be female then she is fine

Cerberus

She is now also used for neutral gender...

Matt Эллен

15:02

ignore @Cerberus, he is stuck in the past

Johan Larsson

In Sweden he = 'han' she = 'hon', hen was suggested to be used. I use h*n sometimes.

Cerberus

How is "she" in the past?

I think "she" is OK. It is used in many books nowadays.

I remember my logic book had it.

But it switched between he and she, which was a tad confusing...

Matt Эллен

I'm just jesting :D

RegDwighт

Hallo, Freunde der englischen Sprache!

Should it be "children of different ages" or "children of different age"?

Matt Эллен

I have a book on software design thAT does the same

@RegDwighт ages

or "a different age"

Cerberus

15:06

This.

RegDwighт

@MattЭллен that's what I had, but then I committed the sin of proofreading one time too many.

Johan Larsson

Cool

Cerberus

I know, I know, happens to us all.

RegDwighт

So suddenly it sounded to me as if I were talking about children from different epochs.

So I changed it into age, which sounded even weirdoer.

Cerberus

Sometimes I see something entirely ungrammatical that I wrote in a Dutch e-mail that was really important, because I proofread it a couple times too many...

Heck, I can't even spell, so what am I talking.

RegDwighт

15:08

Le mieux est l'ennemi du bien.

Cerberus

Vraiment!

MartyIX

@MattЭллен Well and what would you personally write? They or she?

KitFox

K-12 teachers are almost 100% women in the US. I'd use she in that case.

Johan Larsson

K-12?

Cerberus

> Een beveiligingsupdate voor Windows 7 lijkt ertoe te leiden dat er direct na het booten een blue screen of death verschijnt, waardoor pc's niet meer willen starten.

MartyIX

15:10

Some men teach in the school I'm talking about

KitFox

@JohanLarsson Kindergarten through grade 12.

MartyIX

So I guess I'll use they.

Thank you all!

Matt Эллен

@MartyIX they

RegDwighт

@Cerberus well if that is English, then you really can't spell.

Cerberus

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 A security update in Win 7 causes computers to go BSOD and refuse to boot. One of the reasons I don't automatically update important stuff. I have also seen countless Android applications regress either in functionality or in reliability.

@RegDwighт Oops, looks like I corrected English into Dutch.

RegDwighт

15:11

That's the only correct direction.

Matt Эллен

sorry, i'm in the midst odf cooking#

RegDwighт

Ol' dirty fastard cooking?

What is this grammar?

Cerberus

Umm.

Looks like Matt is an excessive proofreader too!

RegDwighт

No, "umm" is Buddhist grammar.

Cerberus

My Master told me to say that when people least expect it.

Matt Эллен

15:14

"Children of different ages" applies to current children of various ages. "Children of a different age" applies to children from times past (or maybe future, but not now)

RegDwighт

Yes, that much I understand.

Matt Эллен

good

Cerberus

Looks like she is teaching you.

RegDwighт

The latter was never an option.

Only ages vs. age with a zero article.

Cerberus

How about "childrenage of a different"?

RegDwighт

15:16

How about "fuselage of a differ ant"?

Cerberus

Deep.

Matt Эллен

now I'm at the good end of cooking. bbl

RegDwighт

Good End Cooking? Is that a new movie with Matt Damon and Robin Williams?

0

Q: How to describe your favourite food

The question is like this: which one is peoper----"My favourite food is cookies" or "My favourite food is cookie"? I just get confused if we could use plural nouns after"is".

There's a question for @Matt right there.

Cerberus

I don't know which one is peoper.

RegDwighт

You'll have to try!

Then you will know.

Cerberus

15:20

Does he mean pooper or people?

RegDwighт

There's a difference?

Cerberus

I'd have to buy sufficient quantities of both.

RegDwighт

You buy people?

Cerberus

Only technically.

Sure.

RegDwighт

Wow, Amsterdam is still in its dark ages.

Cerberus

15:21

Naaahh human trafficking is big business everywhere!

RegDwighт

Not in my bureau.

Not today.

Cerberus

Ask your prostitutes.

RegDwighт

21 secs ago, by RegDwighт

Not in my bureau.

Cerberus

I didn't know you worked in a brothel. Interesting.

RegDwighт

Big brothel is working you.

Cerberus

15:23

Haha.

Then you're doing it wrong.

I think.

RegDwighт

How so?

Cerberus

Depends on what you like, I suppose.

RegDwighт

I know you're no specialist in brothels. Or coffee shops.

Cerberus

Indeed not.

I've been in a c.f. once.

RegDwighт

So.

My brothel is better than yours,
my brothel is better than yours,
yes sir, better than yours,
I'd teach you but I have to charge.

Cerberus

15:25

Is that from an opera?

RegDwighт

Yes, with Kelis in the leading rôle.

Kelis

Kelis Rogers (; born August 21, 1979), better known mononymously as Kelis, is an American singer-songwriter and certified chef. She has won Brit Awards, Q Awards, and NME Awards, and was nominated for two Grammy Awards. Outside her native United States, she has had nine top ten singles in the United Kingdom alone. Kelis appeared on Moby's Area One Tour, supported U2 on the European leg of their Elevation Tour, Britney Spears' The Onyx Hotel Tour and headlined her own All Hearts Tour with Robyn. Biography Early life Kelis was born and raised in the Harlem neighborhood of Manhattan, New Y...

Cerberus

Hmm I think she was popular when I was in high school or something.

That is, the name rings a bell. C'est tout.

RegDwighт

Kelis navidad.

Cerberus

La navidad de qui?

RegDwighт

De R. Keli.

►

KitFox

15:32

@RegDwighт Doesn't he piss on underage girls for sexual gratification?

RegDwighт

I dunno, twas all the rage fifteen years ago, I think he's moved on to drinking blood or somethin.

Cerberus

@RegDwighт We've already seen all videos on the Internet.

At least this one.

But it's nice.

I help most animals. Though not wasps.

I do help most spiders.

Though not this one.

RegDwighт

@Cerberus s/seen/put/

Cerberus

That too.

KitFox

> Listen! there is no time to explain! Slap me with a fish, the fate of the universe depends on it!!!

RegDwighт

15:55

Commute!

Cerberus

Fish!

Noah

16:08

Hello Everyone

markus

hey everyone, how's the vibe in here (unwritten rules). is it ok for non-natives to ask natives about wording challenges or is this more like a social hangout place?

Cerberus

Hi!

Mahnax

Morning.

Cerberus

It's OK to ask, as long as it's not all the time or anything.

Noah

Morning

Mahnax

16:10

Yeah, exactly. Just don't pester people, and you'll be A-OK.

Cerberus

And as long as you don't badger specific people too much. But from your polite self-introduction I gather that you're not that kind of person anyway, so I don't think you have much to worry about!

Noah

Has anyone heard of Rabindranath Tagore?

Cerberus

Not I.

Does anyone know what happened to/with/concerning Tchrist?

Noah

Not I.

Cerberus

I saw some confusing bit where he was saying @@@ or something?

What does that mean?

Noah

16:12

many users.

Uknown names.

@A@B@Cerb@Noah@Mah

Cerberus

You mean he pang several users in one line?

And that was somehow a problem?

Noah

Yeah

markus

all right, sounds great, thanks

Cerberus

Where? Why?

By the way, we like Tallinn here, even though only Mahnax has been there, if remember correctly.

KitFox

No, he was flagged for something different.

Cerberus

16:15

Oh, for what?

And for how long was he banned?

KitFox

Probably an hour. It was an autoban.

Cerberus

Oh OK.

Mahnax

@Cerberus No, I'm going to visit in July, but I've not been yet.

KitFox

Like when you got banned for saying iPhones were gay.

markus

I'm verifying the english translation of an item (question) that belongs to a scale measuring social stress, the current translation has been criticized (by non-natvies NB)... the context of the work environment is given, the sentence goes: The boss puts you down for almost nothing here.

Cerberus

16:16

Ah OK. Somehow I thought you were going to visit the city for a second time. But that was probably Helsinki, then?

@KitFox Yeah that was funny.

KitFox

@markus Is it supposed to sound formal?

That sounds a little odd, and casual.

Noah

Toodle-pip. Commute.

Bye!

Cerberus

Bye.

"For almost nothing" sounds a bit odd. I understand what it should mean, though.

KitFox

The here in particular is confusing. Do you mean like: In this work environment, the boss puts you down for almost nothing?

Cerberus

(Maybe "for no reason"?)

@KitFox That's how I read it.

KitFox

16:19

The boss offers a wide variety of baseless criticism without constructive feedback.

markus

@KitFox yes, exactly, that is the meaning... it doesn't need to sound very formal but it shouldn't be too casual either, what about writing 'around here' instead of just 'here'.

KitFox

Can you leave off the here?

markus

yes, I guess

KitFox

I think it would be OK then.

Matt Эллен

yeah. I misread it. I thought you meant "in this particular part of something"

like an appraisal or something

KitFox

16:21

I keep trying to parse it as "nothing here."

markus

I think there should be a reference to the current work environment...

Matt Эллен

I think boss covers that

markus

@KitFox same happens to me and the person who criticized it

Cerberus

Yeah, I don't think it is necessary.

KitFox

Maybe: Your boss puts you down for almost nothing.

markus

16:22

so I think that's the odd part... putting someone down seems to be ok

KitFox

That implies your current work environment.

markus

@KitFox yes, I think that simple change should solve the problem

KitFox

@markus Well, I wouldn't condone the behavior, but your meaning is clear.

Cerberus

Better.

markus

@KitFox :) I meant... 'to put someone down' seems to be a widely used phrase

KitFox

16:24

Yes.

Cerberus

Haha.

KitFox

;-D

markus

the scale measures social stress and being put down causes that, of course

great help, thanks!

KitFox

Sure, no problem. Any time.

suddenly remembers lying in middle school about having a boyfriend named Marcus

laughs

Growing up girl really kinda sucked.

Cerberus

Doesn't everybody does that?

markus

16:34

@KitFox ;-)

Cerberus

avaaz.org/en/monsanto_vs_mother_earth_loc/?fp

KitFox

@Cerberus You didn't.

Cerberus

Sign the petition against Monsanto if you're against their patenting food and all sorts of obnoxious things.

KitFox

Mmm, tomatoes.

My boys planted seeds yesterday.

Cerberus

I have nothing against genetically engineered food...but Monsanto is really evil.

KitFox

16:36

I'm not worried about them.

Cerberus

They take you to court if some of the plants they sold to you spread seeds that get planted again.

They are extreme anti-competitive bullies.

KitFox

Well, so I won't plant their seeds.

Cerberus

They bully small farmers all the time.

And they patent things that should not be patentable.

KitFox

And it's their fault if they aren't producing sterile plants like the smart engineers do.

Cerberus

Like nature.

KitFox

16:42

My little son called to ask me if I would like to eat pizza with him tonight.

How can I say no to such an adorable boy?

I mean, look at that face.

Look!!

om nom nom

Matt Эллен

surely you wouldn't put your son on a pizza?

KitFox

hee hee

"Mommy, don't eat me!"

He pipes in his cute little voice.

@Cerb reclaimdemocracy.org/…

Mahnax

@KitFox Aww, cute kid.

He looks very similar to one of my cousins.

Matt Эллен

> The only difference between public corporations and Mike Merrill is that we’ve come to accept the consequences of absentee ownership as “normal” in the context of publicly traded companies, so we’re blind to their pathologies.

speak for yourself!

KitFox

I'll pass that on to Nick.

Matt Эллен

16:54

awww

KitFox

I'm trying to decide how much they look alike.

That's my dad.

Matt Эллен

I accept it because noöne seems willing to change it.

@KitFox similar eyes and top of head

KitFox

I was thinking similar hair, but the eyes are different.

Haha.

Nose might be similar, but it's hard to say until he's older.

Matt Эллен

oh, well, maybe

KitFox

Mine looks like my husband's baby picture.

Almost identical.

Which is weird because my husband looks not much like that now.

Matt Эллен

16:56

0_0

KitFox

Both my boys have his crazy hair.

But in different shades.

I don't know how obvious it is in the picture, but the little one has a perfect circle of a cowlick right in the middle of his hairline.

The eldest has half circles on each side of his head and one swoosh right on top.

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