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17:01
cute!
You're good.
I don't think I want to work any more.
I mean, at this job.
what are your options?
Well, coast until August. That means incurring the stress of unhappy bosses and lots of lying.
Or. Um. Do the work.
I have to stay here until we get our next mortgage.
17:09
would you go on to find a new job?
Or move to a similar employment situation, which I don't want to do. I might be OK if I had a signed contract with the business I do regular consulting for, but I don't know if they'd go for that.
@MattЭллен I would really like to work for the business I consult for. And also I would not really like to work for them
I thought I might start trying to expand my clientele, but I don't think I'm actually qualified to consult.
as a programmer? sure you are.
the hard part is selling yourself
There's another Kit who contracts with them, and boy Kit is a subcontractor for a national firm, which seems like it could be a good gig.
Hey, I've sold myself for years...oh. Not like that.
I have lots of confidence issues with my skill set. I've never worked in a proper shop, my documentation is good, but only when I actually do it.
Etc.
And I'm not sure what the expectations are w/r/t software and stuff.
welp. I feel the same about myself
Yeah, but you know how the stuff works.
my friend Dave, who has been a developer for less time than me, seems to be managing OK freelance
You must, because you tell me all the time.
@MattЭллен Beer-drinking Dave? Maybe you can partner.
17:14
maybe
Is he cute?
no
also he's engaged
Well, that's good.
You shouldn't shit where you eat, anyway.
tries to look authoritative
So how are you feeling?
17:16
pretty average
Good. I wasn't sure how anxious you were.
some what frustrated that I have to sell myself again
I have no self belief
You still don't know for sure though, right?
but I'll figure something out
@KitFox yeah
So they'll keep you because you're cheapest.
grins
17:17
but given that I'm on par with the guy I'm against and he has way more legacy knowlege...
@KitFox true :D
It's all about the benjamins.
I do have that going for me.
Or... searches Wiki frantically
puts up sign "will programme for food"
Do you have the Queen on all your money?
17:19
yes
Damn it. You don't have a hundred pound note.
How am I supposed to translate?
nope
I know what a benjamin is, sort of :D
it's one of your dollar bills
I guess your 100 dollar bills
Yes.
because it has Benjamin Button on it
Benjamin Franklin.
Haha
It's all about the Boulton and Watts.
The Matthew and Jameses. Gah. This is awful.
Or maybe it's all about the Baroque and Rococo arches.
all I've got is one Elizabeth Fry
Why must Europeans make everything so complicated?
@MattЭллен That's a fiver?
Will that get you a pizza?
um
an oven cook one
looks up conversion rate
17:26
@Cerberus ty
Dude, you have expensive pizza there.
but I made myself quesadillas for lunch and dinner today, and breakfast tomorrow
Yum.
@KitFox I'll see if I have a menu lying around...
I did eat taco salad today, but only half of it.
@MattЭллен I'm pretty sure you can get a 10" pizza here for that or less. Depends on what you want on it.
Holy shit.
yeah
these oven ones are £3 and are pretty much as good as takeaway/order in
Hmm. Interesting.
They have $1 frozen pizzas here, and boy are they Crappy McCrap.
yeah, most of the oven stuff is crap
ristorante thin crust is alright, though
Pizza is really easy to make yourself too, from scratch.
And cheap.
17:34
true, although i've not made a base. but the ingredients here are more expensive than buying ready made (I think)
That tiny little "Tuck In" on the box looks like "Fuck 'Em."
@Kit Nice.
An interesting hypothesis.
It's not a common AmE expression.
> ... employees, customers, or the public ... This dynamic is so dominant that these latter groups are, in general, permanently, systemically and ubiquitously screwed across the US, which, some argue, is the core reason for our country’s dramatic inequality.
17:35
@MattЭллен Really? I mean, you can make a huge amount of pizza dough from a bag of flour, honey, and a jar of yeast. I think that'd cost around $6 here.
The Continental system is a bit more about stakeholders than shareholders, in that the latter supposedly have more power than in the Anglo-Saxon model.
@KitFox oh, right. I didn't mean the base, I meant the tomato paste, cheese and toppings.
Of course, you'd need the sauce and some cheese too...But you could make a dozen pizzas with that. How much freezer space do you have?
If I wanted a lot of pizzas then I would be able to do it myself for cheaper than buying premade, but for the occasional one, it's not worth it
@KitFox none
american brain tries to comprehend 'occasional pizza'
17:37
my fridge technically has some below zero space but it doesn't work right
@KitFox lol
hugs @Matt
hugs @kit back
Well, it's a good thing you know how to cook.
yes. I could become a roadside vendor!
Even if it's bangers and mash, or whatever you Brits call it.
17:38
mystery meat sandwiches
titters behind hand
:D
the one thing I think I'd like to learn how to cook is toad in the hole
I still yet to have boxty. It's always on the menu, but they are always conveniently out of it.
or just Yorkshire pudding in general
@MattЭллен Oh, that's easy!
My mum used to make those before I git grossed out by eggs.
Wait. That's Yorkshire pudding?
I better Wiki it.
17:40
yeah. toad in the hole is Yorkshire pudding with sausages in
Oh gooooooood, that looks good.
Clafouti is Yorkshire pudding with cherries
drools
@KitFox so good
Hello
Again
17:41
I thought you meant what is apparently called "eggs in the basket" in some places.
oh. I've never had that
It's fried bread with a fried egg in it.
Egg in the basket — also known by many other names — is an egg fried in a hole of a slice of bread. A waffle or bagel can also be substituted for the slice of bread. Description The dish is typically bread with an egg in the center and then cooked with a little butter or oil. It is commonly prepared by cutting a circular or square hole in the center of a piece of bread. The bread, sometimes buttered prior to cooking, is fried in a pan with butter, margarine, cooking oil, or other fat similarly to how bread is cooked in a grilled cheese sandwich. When browned, the bread is flipped, ...
so I see. looks good for a hangover :D
I think it would be good with grilled cheese.
mmmmm yeah
17:43
Or grilled ham and cheese.
Can "look and feel" be applied to things other than computer software?
yes
it makes most sense with things that have to be controlled with your hands, and get looked at a lot
Like the look and feel of a word document.
I suppose, although look alone would be suffcient
Okay. Thanks.
17:46
np :)
@MattЭллен agree, feel would be more responsiveness and animations and other visual cues imo.
18:11
"this gives your document a unified, professional look" or "this gives your document a unified and professional look"
The first.
Is it according to the AP Style?
I don't know. It sounds better.
Okay. But this is not a serial comma, right?
Um...I don't think it is considered a serial comma.
But I guess it could be. You'd be fine going with the second if it seems safer to you.
18:16
Okay. That's what I thought.
Thank you, Kit.
Sure.
Here's what Wikipedia says about Serial Comma:
> In punctuation, a serial comma or series comma (also called Oxford comma and Harvard comma) is a comma placed immediately before the coordinating conjunction (usually and, or, or nor) in a series of three or more terms.
OK. That's what I was thinking. So the first wouldn't be one then.
My example doesn't use any coordinating conjunction.
I think so, but I am not sure.
it is not. it is a normal list comma, used to separate a list of adjectives
e.g. It was a big, red, bouncy ball
18:22
Ball was not how I thought you were going to end that sentence.
You are right. Found something similar on eHow:
> With adjectives that are equal – If commas could be replaced with the word “and,” the adjectives are considered equal: a dark, scary dungeon. But, commas are not used when one of the adjectives is essential to the noun phrase: an expensive fur coat.

> Read more: How to Use Commas in Associated Press Style | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/how_2337761_use-commas-associated-press-style.html#ixzz2QH75geu9
18:37
Is this use of "for example" okay? You can save your file in many different formats. To save your file in PDF, for example, go to...
Good.
Thanks.
This would be the last one. "You can share your document across multiple platforms by exporting it to a PDF file, TXT file or HTML webpage.
platforms
I hate not having serial commas.
That sounds OK. There are a lot of options for that list.
a lot of options?
Wow, three military helicopters just flew by my window.
18:45
have they found you yet?
Maybe.
@KitFox Me too. But I have to live with this format.
Where'd I put that crowbar?
@KitFox Really?
@Noah Your list is fine.
18:50
the trouble with hav,ing commas in parallel is that you don't always know where they'll turn up
I see what you did there.
I changed my system email account handle today.
It's going to be a headache, I think.
I was very torn over whether to do it.
why'd you do that?
It was my maiden name. It was confusing my users.
They thought I was two people.
They'd complain about the other one to me.
18:53
lol
oh that Kit Weasle, she's so mean
You're much nicer, Kit Fox
You'd think they could figure that out.
It doesn't help that everybody here has two email addresses though.
if they never meet you in person, I guess two names means two people
oh!
that isn't helpful
So I had one that had my married name and one that had my maiden name. Sure. Why wouldn't that be two people who coincidentally have the same first name and are coincidentally doing the exact same job?
But now I have to track down all the places where it's hidden.
It's also a bit awkward to tell people, because then my users are like "oh, did you just get married?" and I'm all like "uh, yeah, seven years ago."
The advantage is that now, hopefully, they will stop emailing me directly and start using the help email like they are supposed to.
Hi @kitty
I'm not a kitty. I'm a fox.
19:00
Is it a target audience or the target audience? For example to keep a target audience happy
Hi fox
:)
@Noah The.
How is your ear?
Getting there.
@KitFox that will be good
19:02
Yes. More importantly would be for them to stop emailing the project lead directly.
@Cerberus The thing is, you never install the security updates, and thus when an exploit is going around, you're vulnerable.
I think Cerb likes being vulnerable to exploitation.
Oh, I wanted to tell you something.
tries to tightbeam message directly to @Mr.Shiny's head
Did that work?
19:03
Oh sorry.
Still working out the kinks.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Well, not never. I installed all updated six months ago or so, that was the last time.
At any rate, now I have zero problems, whereas my PC might be in a bootloop now if I had had automatic updates on on Win 7.
Not to mention some of my Android widgets would have disappeared in various updates.
@Cerberus I though you were on Ubuntu?
One of my most important widgets was simply unavailable for several months, because the developer took it out (I had to search the Internet for an older version).
@Noah Nope, XP.
But I have to go.
Have fun, y'all!
Bye
Good day.
Bye!
19:08
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 My little son called me and invited me to have pizza with him today.
Was what I was going to telepathy to you.
I decided I should learn to read minds so I can put that on my resume. It seems to be a much sought after skill.
@KitFox That's fun! I like getting phone calls from the kids. It rarely happens. Soon enough, when they can do it unsupervised, it will likely become an annoying deluge.
When they can do it unsupervised, they'll probably not call us.
Good thing I didn't sneak out early. My boss just popped in to discuss the weather with me.
@Cerberus I'd rather take the chance on security updates and install them. I've seen too many cases where malware exploits systems. That can have enormous cost. Also MS is pretty good at not shipping broken updates. Not perfect, but pretty good.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Speaking of that, I dont know anything about broken updates, but the little yellow update icon in Windows XP pops up too often. I am no longer on Windows, but when I was, it would restart my computer all by itself.
@Noah That behaviour is configurable.
19:19
You mean the restart or the "popup"?
the restart.
actually probably both.
You can make it never check for updates. Check and notify, but don't download. Download, but don't install. or install right away.
For Windows, I put it to download but don't install. For Android I set it to auto-update.
But if you do that, you won't get the updates automatically.
@Noah Well, there's different degrees of "get" and "automatically".
I like to control WHEN the updates get installed.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Yeah, me too.
I also like to review the updates before I install them because this is a work computer and some updates are potentially harmful. Like an update to IE: I need a specific version sometimes.
19:23
Okay, you mean if you select "Download, but dont install", you will still get the updates but they wont get installed by themselves.
@Noah yeah, you just have to press the button to start it.
You also get the opportunity to deselect an update
Okay- great. thanks for sharing that.
Is there any difference btw "select" and "choose"?
19:39
In what context?
In the context of computers.
maybe. I'd have to check a dictionary to compare all the secondary meanings.
Natural choosation.
@Noah No.
Like "choose the design of your liking" or "select the design of your liking"
19:40
@Noah no.
Except I think in the context of computer GUIs you can say "select" which means "choose and activate", and you wouldn't use "choose" that way.
> Select the 3rd menu item
> Select the text
You can't "Choose" the text
Agreed.
Select means to highlight as well.
> SELECT * FROM vocab WHERE INSTR(SYNONYMS, 'select') >= 0 OR INSTR(SYNONYMS, 'choose') >= 0
sighs Somewhere it wants to use my old email, but I don't know where. It's nice of microsoft to provide me with a pop-up box to tell me something is wrong, but not show me where or even what application it is in.
can't use "choose" there.
Definitely can't there.
19:44
Intersting
What if it's a dropdown list?
sloose
chelect
Sluice always makes me think of that scene from the Meaning of Life.
which scene is that?
Under the animation tab, choose the appropriate effect from the "Effect" dropdown list.
@MattЭллен The one where the baby drops out while she washing dishes.
19:49
Woo-hoo, three-day weekend! Let's hear it for Patriot's Day!
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Apple has it like this: Choose Format > Font > Baseline > Raise.
To change text capitalization, do any of the following:
Choose Format > Font > Capitalization and choose an option from the submenu.
@Noah Hm. I guess there's nothing wrong with it, but I would never have written "Choose" there.
Now I'm curious about what the predominant usage is.
@KitFox Moist.
Whatcha go and do that for?
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I think @RegDwighт might know.
19:51
@Robusto that day is only for New Englanders.
Once again, working at home allows me to do a week's worth of work, uninterrupted, in a single day.
@RegDwighт You could celebrate it if you really wanted to.
It's my party and I don't celebrate if I want to.
Big boys don't cry.
@Robusto Hooray!
@RegDwighт There was a Canadian band called "Moist". My mom's friend once tried to buy their CD for her son; she went into the store and asked for the new album by "those sweaty guys"
19:52
Hooray is German for "whore".
Why'd you call Robusto a whore, I don't know. Well, I know, but.
@RegDwighт Nay, my friend. Only for Massachusetts and former parts thereof.
Patriots are losers.
@KitFox And the lights all went out in Massachusetts.
latriots are posers
@RegDwighт I thought that was Person or Mensch.
19:54
@Robusto Person is obviously the male offspring of Per's,
Mensch is plural of man, with a lisp.
But, hey, our forefathers died face down in the mud so that we could fuck off on the third Monday in April!
It took me long enough to find it.
And a Mensch is a Mann, but not the other way round.
19:55
@KitFox oh!
@Mitch You think Kim Jong-un is also a loser? Don't confuse him with Kim Kardashian, the two are not related.
Let me be more specific.. the Patriots are losers.
Hey!
@Mitch And your team is ...?
Also, Kim is hot.
both of them
19:56
@Mitch Which Kim?
haha I'm psychic.
or a time traveller.
by about 5 seconds
Omega 13.
did you see that momentary glitch? that was me.
@KitFox er, what? Why didn't you just search this very room? It got posted here over seven times.
@Mitch You might have some sort of magic access into the system.
19:57
May 4 '11 at 15:38, by RegDwight
And don't forget Sir Wrigley Sperm, who invented Wrigley's Sperm, Int.
Galaxy Quest is a 1999 science-fiction parody comedy film about a troupe of actors who defend a group of aliens against an alien warlord. It was directed by Dean Parisot and written by David Howard and Robert Gordon. Mark Johnson and Charles Newirth produced the film for DreamWorks, and David Newman composed the music score. Portions of the film were shot in Goblin Valley State Park, Utah, USA, and non-humanoid creatures were created by Stan Winston Studio from designs by Jordu Schell. The film parodies the television series Star Trek and related media activities such as fandom. It stars...
@Robusto Team? There's a team?
A tag team.
@Mitch Oh. So you don't have, um, one of those.
@RegDwighт The sluicey part? Well, I didn't know.
19:58
49ers.
@KitFox you have to search for "moist".
@Robusto Oh...ha ha...and I just saw that the other day too. The benefits of having no memory, you can enjoy the same movie every time.
@Noah Oh. You mean the ones who lost the Super Bowl to the Baltimore Ravens this year? Tsk, tsk.
Like Titanic...I'm never really sure what's going to happen..will it sink, won't it? I don't know til I get to the end.
Well, spoiler: there's Titanic 2!
19:59
Yeah. Big metaphor for hubris hits an iceberg and sinks. That just never gets old.
@Robusto exactly! Losers.
Second place is First Losers.

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