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kiamlaluno

00:02

What is the Latin name for Gaul?

Kosmonaut

I thought it was Gaul or Gallia or something

Gallia

Gallia , pars Europae occidentalis, in territoria Gallorum, Aquitanorum, et Belgarum divisa. Sic initium De Bello Gallico libri a Gaio Iulio Caesare est: "Gallia est omnis divisa in partes tres quarum unam incolunt Belgae, aliam Aquitani, tertiam qui ipsorum lingua Celtae, nostra Galli appellantur." Historia Galli, qui Germaniam superiorem incolerunt, circa 50 a.C.n. in Galliam inveniebant. Incoli e quoque Galli sunt; ex hoc facto nomen huius partis Italiae est Gallia cisalpina. Iulius Caesar Bellum Gallicum anno 50 a.C.n. gessit. Anno 453 potestas Romanorum in Gallia finivit, et...

RegDwight

This is a funny question:

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Q: I have not gone. But I *have* gone!

Let's pretend that you recently started working for a company. This company has a yearly Christmas party, and you are wondering whether you're expected to go. You: Are we expected to attend these Christmas parties every year? Coworker: I have not gone before, and my boss still loves m...

grammar

"I want to say X. But when I say Y instead, that's not quite what I wanted to say. How do I say X?")))

Kosmonaut

haha

kiamlaluno

Oh, it's like in Italian: Gallia.

Kosmonaut

Sounds like my officemate from Serbia

RegDwight

00:08

The one who informs you about her lavatory adventures?

Kosmonaut

Yes

Vitaly

That Gallia link reminds me of a question I wanted to ask: is there an English Wikipedia article for this fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_(langue)? (there should be a closing bracket at the end)

Kosmonaut

She also always asks me how to phrase emails in English, and it is almost always like this question.

Her: "How do I tell my professor that I can't meet with him today because I need to go to an important meeting?" Me: "I can't meet with you today because I need to go to an important meeting."

RegDwight

Oh wait, an incoming edit!

Kosmonaut

@Vitaly Is that different from this?

Romani language

Romani or Romany, Gypsy or Gipsy () is any of several languages of the Romani people. They are Indic, sometimes classified in the "Central" or "Northwestern" zone, and sometimes treated as a branch of their own. According to Ethnologue, seven varieties of Romani are divergent enough to be considered languages of their own. The largest of these are Vlax Romani (about 900,000 speakers), Balkan Romani (700,000), Carpathian Romani (500,000) and Sinti Romani (300,000). Classification and status Analysis of the Romani language has shown that it is closely related to those spoken in cent...

Vitaly

00:10

Yes, it is.

in Hub of Reason, Jan 15 at 4:55, by Borror0

It was written in Roman language! It was what French was before becoming Old French.

RegDwight

Looks like we've collectively misread the question.

Oh well.

It was fun while it lasted.

Kosmonaut

Eh?

Vitaly

The talk that follows that one message makes it more clear

RegDwight

@Kosmonaut See his edit.

Sounds like he's looking for "I haven't always gone" or something.

Manchmal hatte ich verschlafen.

Or what you say in your answer.

Vitaly

Also I am wondering if those two articles should have interwiki links between them:
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protoroman
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Gallo-Romance_Language

RegDwight

00:17

Now I'm definitely going to bed.

Vitaly

(I don't speak any French, I can understand it as much as my English lets me)

RegDwight

You should be asking @Cerberus.

Cerberus

Hey.

Happy bedtime!

RegDwight

I have read the French article and the first ten words of the English one, doesn't look like the same thing to me.

But what do I know.

Night all!

Cerberus

Am I being summoned?

Billare

00:20

0

Q: What is "backshifting", as applied to English grammar?

I saw this term, backshifting, in an answer to another question, that was not endorsed by the community: [T]he process called backshifting...[it] signal[s] that the speech is not direct/quoted but rather it is indirect/reported. That sounds very interesting, but unfortunately, I can't be ...

grammar

You are =P

Vitaly

it doesn't explicitly state that Old Gallo-Romance is a transitional language between Vulgar Latin and French in the English Wikipedia, right

but I do get that impression from the following paragraphs in the English article

Night @RegDwight

@Cerberus Yes, take a look at this and the following talk, please.

Cerberus

The French wiki is a bit messy with terms.

Robusto

@Cerberus — I just uttered the incantations and look who shows up ...

Cerberus

@Rob: That is not a dog!

Robusto

@RegDwight — The Süddeutscher I knew used to say Ich bin verschloffen (sp?).

Cerberus

00:28

@Vitaly: French Wikipedia equates roman and gallo-roman: I think this is wrong, and that they are two different stages. But I do not feel very confident altering French wiki.

Robusto

@Cerberus — Sorry. Was just trying to get your goat.

Cerberus

@Rob: I am the goat's pagan precursor.

Robusto

@Cerberus — A three-headed goat?

Vitaly

@Cerberus What about the English Old Gallo-Romance article and the French Proto-Roman one?

Cerberus

Well alas they chopped off a few heads of my dear successor.

Robusto

00:29

One head is better than none.

This one's for you, Kerberos:

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Vitaly

Sequence of tenses

In grammar, the sequence of tenses (known in Latin as consecutio temporum, and also known as agreement of tenses, succession of tenses, tense harmony, and backshifting) is a rule of a particular language governing the relationship between the grammatical tenses of verbs in related clauses or sentences to show the temporal relationship of the events to which they refer. Latin In Latin a primary tense (simple present tense, present perfect, simple future tense, or future perfect) in the superordinate clause is followed by primary tense in the subordinate clauses, and a historic "tense" in ...

Robusto

You know, I think I need to make a graph of tenses for the site.

Billare

@Vitaly I did see that...but I like things explained by the commenters here, I'm lazy...Wikipedia also a horrible shade of off-white that makes it hard to concentrate on technical things on my computer

Vitaly

I see.

Cerberus

@Vitaly: I think "roman" should be the collection of dialects that was spoken in France, Italy, Spain, etc. between Late Latin and the emergence of the regional precursors of French, Italian, Spanish; we should begin calling these split-offs "languages" at the same date as when we stop calling the collection "roman"; and the names of these languages would be gallo-roman, italo-roman, hiberno-roman, or something like that.

As an alternative, we could start naming them thus at an earlier date and consider "roman" not the name of a language, but of the group of these closely related languages.

In that case, there is nothing between late Latin and gallo-roman in France.

I am using the words as I would use them in French, by the way.

Vitaly

00:36

Someone should edit the French article. It has only one reference, which is a book published in 1923.

Cerberus

Yeah the French article kinda sucks.

Vitaly

An English article would be nice, too. XP

(There isn't any in the interwiki)

Night all.

Robusto

00:52

@Cerberus — Wait, did the Romans actually hibernate? I thought that was the Irish.

Cerberus

Night @Vit!

@Rob: Oops! I meant (h)ibero-roman.

Why aren't you a moderator? Then I could employ you as a slave to correct my old chat lines.

Robusto

@Cerberus: Think this kind of thing would be at all helpful to the NNS crowd?

Cerberus

01:08

@Rob: That is pretty neat! What does NNS mean again?

No-night's sleep?

Robusto

Non-native speaker.

Cerberus

Ah.

It should be in the FAQ!

(The concept is so remote, at least to me, that I fail to remember its acronym.)

Robusto

I thought of asking a question and answering it with this, for the record. If people suggest changes, I'll incorporate them.

Cerberus

Did you make it yourself?

Robusto

Yeah, just now. I guess it's kind of rough.

Cerberus

01:10

Nice.

I always find it extremely hard to pinpoint tenses in time. I just use them. And there is of course more to tenses than time as related to the present... so damn complicated.

Robusto

@Cerberus: This any better?

Cerberus

@Rob: Yes, even prettier!

Robusto

A little lighter on the background, I think.

Cerberus

Ding!

Damn I now feel I need to write an essay on "supposed to" owing to FumbleFinger's question:

Robusto

Think I should post it?

Cerberus

01:18

2

Q: Why do we say "supposed to" for "should have"

"I was supposed to do my homework, but I went out clubbing instead." On a literal interpretation, supposed to suggests that other people (or indeed, myself) might have supposed (thought, imagined, assumed) that I would do my homework. I could continue the synonyms (expected, demanded, required,....

word-choice idioms

@Rob: Post it to which question?

Robusto

Make up a question to which this is the answer.

Cerberus

Hehe.

Robusto

For no other reason than that I think it may be useful to people. When someone asks a tense question, a NNS that is, we could link that question.

Cerberus

Yes you could do that, an ESL kind of question: "how do the different tenses refer to different points in time, from the perspective of the time of speaking?".

Robusto

Hmm ... maybe I'll wait and see what the mods think. @RegDwight, @Kosmonaut, @nohat: What do you think about putting up the graphic above as a response to a question about time for non-native speakers?

@Cerberus: Can you give that last one a temporary star so it's easy to reference? We can remove it later.

Dank you.

Cerberus

01:24

@Rob: You may have it for eternity!

Haha.

Robusto

Well, neither I nor the site will last that long, unfortunately.

Cerberus

*Dank je. But you knew that.

@Rob: Nonsense.

Robusto

It's for those "I have not gone" kind of questions.

Cerberus

A copy of the site will be shot into space eventually, and become lost among the stars.

@Rob: Oh, but isn't the not-gone question also about the scope of negation? I.e. does "not" negate the whole sentence "I have gone", or just "gone".

Robusto

I think we are already lost among the stars. Look at all those posts on the right.

@Cerberus — Well, you know what I mean. A lot of the NNS seem confused by how we do carry on.

Cerberus

01:27

Yeah some of those stars do not shine so bright. Why on earth did three people star my link to theme vowels? What's so interesting about that?

@Rob: Yeah it would be fine in an answer. But wouldn't it be more visible in a more general question about times and tenses?

Robusto

Who can tell. @RegDwight got a star for "And."

Cerberus

Yeah but that is probably just sucking up.

Robusto

People fear the mods.

To me they're like the bots on MST3K.

Cerberus

What?

Robusto

Bunch of crazy knuckleheads who are sometimes fun to joke with.

Cerberus

01:30

Oh. Then, agreed!

Robusto

Mystery Science Theater 3000

Mystery Science Theater 3000 (often abbreviated as MST3K) is an American cult television comedy series created by Joel Hodgson and produced by Best Brains, Inc., that ran from 1988 to 1999. The series features a man and his robot sidekicks who are trapped on a space station by an evil scientist and forced to watch a selection of bad movies, often (but not limited to) science fiction B-movies. To keep sane, the man and his robots provide a running commentary on each film, making fun of its flaws and wisecracking (or "riffing") their way through each reel in the style of a movie-theater p...

Cerberus

Ah that may sound like fun.

See how weirdly I added "may" before "sound", and yet it makes sense?

Robusto

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Cerberus

I see why that can be fun. It is a bit hard to follow those short cuts without more context, though, and I feel like I am missing a ton of cultural references...

Robusto

Yeah. I just wanted to give you a taste.

Cerberus

01:35

Satire is a great genre.

/parody

I have a question about certain women.

I can't tell whether they are hot or not.

Robusto

You can't?

Cerberus

My personal opinion is that they are too thin, but they are in a music video.

Robusto

BTW, here's one of me and the mods, er, bots ...

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@Cerberus — OK, bring it. I'll let you know if they're hot.

Cerberus

I think their faces and boobs are fine, but their hips are way too skinny. Don't bother if you don't like Latino/rock-ish music:

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They are dancing in a weird way anyway, but that's not the point.

Robusto

No, I see what you mean. They're way too thin to be feminine. I thought they were drag queens at the beginning ...

Cerberus

01:44

Ah I am glad to hear that.

Then I wonder why he put them in the video. What is the point of women in pop-music video clips if they aren't appealing?

Robusto

They should have used real women.

Apr 13 at 9:53, by Robusto

Cerberus

That's better. Even I can tell.

Robusto

And here's what to do on a date:

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Kosmonaut

02:01

38 mins ago, by Robusto

Hmm ... maybe I'll wait and see what the mods think. @RegDwight, @Kosmonaut, @nohat: What do you think about putting up the graphic above as a response to a question about time for non-native speakers?

It's useful, but is slightly misleading in a couple spots.

Or I should say, telling an incomplete story.

Robusto

I'm open to suggestions.

Kosmonaut

"I am eating" can often refer to future events.

"I am eating at that restaurant tomorrow" or what have you

Robusto

Ah, good point.

Kosmonaut

I think an important thing about "will have eaten" is that it happened earlier in the future than other future events you are discussing

Robusto

I think there should be an "I am eating" 1 and an "I am eating" 2.

Kosmonaut

02:06

@Robusto Yes

I will go to a fancy restaurant tomorrow. When I leave, I will have eaten a gourmet meal.

Everything is in the future, but "will have eaten" is slightly less in the future

Than "when I leave"

Robusto

Ah, good point. I think that one will need a footnote, though.

Kosmonaut

It's hard to capture this relative difference.

Visually, that is.

Robusto

yeah.

Kosmonaut

I might put "will have eaten" on the "point in the future" but not "further in the future"

It's crazy how natural all of these tenses are for a native speaker.

Robusto

Yeah.

I keep hearing my NNS coworkers getting all these wrong.

Cerberus

02:12

@Kos: I am now writing an answer about why "supposed to" has acquired a sense of obligation... any suggestions? I am describing how words expressing modality tend to shift as to what kind of modality they express.

Robusto

So far, without footnotes.

Kosmonaut

@Robusto I think "I ate" should have further distance from "right now"

Robusto

Maybe a little. It can be any time before now, even a few minutes.

Maybe just to the left of the text.

Kosmonaut

Yes, but it looks like it could be up to right now, I think

Robusto

I was thinking "I will eat" might need a little distance too, but it does mean you could start in the very next second.

Kosmonaut

02:16

@Cerberus I'd probably glance at the OED.

Cerberus

@Kos: Right, that is a good idea!

Kosmonaut

@Robusto Yeah, there is some weird special stuff that goes along with that as well.

Like, if you are talking about a party...

If you say "I'm going", it implies you had already decided to go, and if you say "I'll go", it implies that you are deciding it now.

Although "I'm going" could be used also for the latter

But I don't know how "I'll go" in that usage fits in with everything else.

Cerberus

@Kos: It merely says "The passive of this, which is very frequent, expresses the fact of the subject being credited with some action or quality: now esp. = to be expected, intended, or meant; to have as a duty, to be obliged."... but OK I have consulted it so one less danger of being entirely wrong.

Robusto

Yeah, it's kind of squishy.

Kosmonaut

@Cerberus Heh, at the very least there's that!

Cerberus

02:20

(P.S. My last sentence sucked but I was too lazy to come up with a grammatical one.)

Kosmonaut

@Robusto I mean, I wouldn't attempt to incorporate that at all in the diagram; it's just... interesting.

@Cerberus It wasn't so bad

When I'm talking to my wife, I break all kinds of grammatical rules out of laziness

Robusto

I think the diagram could be a living document, modified and updated as needed. Also annotated and — dare I say it — discussed.

Cerberus

Aww poor Kosmonautin...

Kosmonaut

@Robusto Well, it's a great idea to have this sort of official diagram out there

I think it already can be very helpful

@Cerberus I imagine I can't be the only one who does it...

Cerberus

@Rob: Yes I encourage it! It's just that I am immediately assailed by semantic satiation as I even begin contemplating the temporal references of the tenses...

Robusto

02:23

So ... you think I should pose a question and supply the diagram as an answer?

Cerberus

@Kos: True that.

Kosmonaut

@Robusto A question like "how do the English tenses correspond temporally to one another?"

Robusto

@Kosmonaut — That's what I was thinking.

I may just steal that as a title. :)

Kosmonaut

@Robusto You may have it.

Billare

@Robusto You should do it...

Robusto

02:34

Yes, doing it now.

Billare

@Cerberus Congrats on 10K ;)

@Cerberus Now you can delete bad answers =P

Cerberus

@Billare: Hey! I hadn't noticed yet. Thanks!

You can still vote me down to below 10k if you want...

Robusto

OK, it's up.

@Cerberus: Grats! Too bad they discontinued the fruit baskets ...

@Kosmonaut — Thanks for the help.

Cerberus

@Rob: WHAT I was just getting hungry! Thanks!

Robusto

@Cerberus: Yeah, I made a pig out of myself and they said I spoiled it for everyone else. Sorry!

Billare

02:40

Should the answer be converted to community wiki and all that?

Robusto

The whole thing should probably be CW

I don't know how to do that.

Billare

When you answered there was a little checkmark under the box for CW, @Robusto.

Robusto

Ah, figured out how to do the answer part.

Cerberus

@Rob: Ah I knew it! You shall have to cook my your fabulous fondue some time, then.

Robusto

Well, if you come to the U.S. look me up. I will make it. (Just not in the summertime.)

Cerberus

02:44

Look me up ... is that slangish for "visit me"?

Robusto

More or less.

Billare

I'm thinking it should be like this:

Tense: Brief description

Cerberus

OK.

Billare

Composed of: Auxiliary + Conjugated form of verb

Example sentences: some negated, some gnarly

Robusto

@Billare: If you want to put that as an answer, that can be the start of the user input.

Billare

02:47

Yeah, I am working on it now.

Robusto

I have to go to bed now, though. Thanks and TTYL.

Melanie

Good night

Cerberus

03:04

Night @Rob.

Greetings @Melanie!

JSBangs

12:20

i appear to be all alone

the black wind blows....

RegDwight

You are not alone.

I am here with you.

JSBangs

aw, man

RegDwight

Though you're far away

I am here to stay.

Stupid chat reverses stuff!

I am too fast for the Internet.

JSBangs

woe is you, indeed

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RegDwight

Damn, what happened to my plan to play that game again.

I spend way too much time on ELU and way too no time at all on VGs.

JSBangs

12:26

i really don't play enough to while away all my time on VGs

right now i'm avoiding it for the purpose of avoiding Portal 2 and DA2 spoilers

RegDwight

Ha.

I think SE has a dedicated chat room just for those.

JSBangs

plus, atm my pc is packed away in boxes, until i move into my new house at the end of the month

RegDwight

I hate relocating.

JSBangs

there were like no good questions yesterday to answer

RegDwight

Lots of stuff to close, too.

JSBangs

12:35

billare really deserves more upvotes for this

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A: Is the adjective "abject" ever found with any word other than "poverty"? Does it mean something other than "very" or "utterly"?

It just occurred to me that I know how to find this out for myself; it took a little learning of syntax, but I borrowed from nohat's bag of tricks and searched the COCA for [abject].[j*] [n*], and these are the top 10 results it gave: ABJECT POVERTY 107 ABJECT FAILURE 53 ABJECT TERR...

RegDwight

Whoa.

Sweet.

Though I have no idea why he keeps writing ELU handles in bold.)))

The question is on the MultiCollider. The answer has a fair chance to get to 15+.

Though the time of the day is not optimal.

JSBangs

i admit that i don't understand the MultiCollider's algorithm

is it based on votes or views?

RegDwight

17 hours ago, by RegDwight

Anyhow, it relies on a number of factors. But I don't want to be boring.

JSBangs

aw, you're never boring

RegDwight

But now I do!

17 hours ago, by RegDwight

More than usual, that is.

So, without further ado.

Views, votes on the question, votes on the answers, plus some voodoo involving how many questions from the same site are already there.

JSBangs

12:49

perhaps that's why relatively low-voted questions appear from writers.se and other sites

i suspect that w/o the voodoo SO would just own the whole list

RegDwight

Yes.

The penalty is an accumulating one, IIRC. One question -- easy. Two -- hard. Three -- even harder. Four -- harder still.

JSBangs

ye gods, this is awful. my laptop's video card is borked, so anything that uses DirectDraw to accelerate its video drawing just turns into a nightmare

RegDwight

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JSBangs

13:07

0

Q: Are there reptilian creatures hosting the news?

I've been seeing several youtube videos that show the news hosts eyes doing crazy things. Sometimes their eyes change dramatically after what looks like a strange inner eyelid blinks, eyes change color, or pupils look vertically elongated. The most common explanation seems to be that they are rep...

television

this is so absurd. but the skeptics are asking for it

RegDwight

The skeptics are asking for anything and everything.

2 days ago, by Vitaly

Also, they are promoting undiscriminating skepticism. For that reason, I wouldn't be very sad if that particular SE fails.

-1

Q: Rihanna is the "Princess of the Illuminati"?

There has been a lot of buzz around the web lately about Rihanna being a part of the Illuminati. Then, I was like, "bah, this can't be real." Until someone pointed out small portions of her S&M video, where it says "Princess of the Illuminati." Now, I'm skeptical she is actually a part of th...

illuminati musicians

BTW, @JSBangs, you don't happen to know any linguists, do you?

2

Q: How do we do what we committed to do?

Proposal: Linguistics When I committed to this proposal, I agreed to ask or answer 10 questions during the next 3 months or something. But right now I can't see a way to ask or answer linguistics questions. Except this "start a new discussion" thing, which seems to be more about the proposal. S...

area51-meta commitment

JSBangs

@RegDwight i'm good friends with a guy who just got his doctorate from oxford. other than that i'd have to limit myself to people i'm acquainted with online

RegDwight

Too bad. Then we'll just end up with ELU 2: Reloaded.

3

Q: How about promoting this one in the English SE? I'm sure a lot of people there would be interested

Proposal: Linguistics

science

Robusto

Yo.

JSBangs

i'm hoping there are linguists in the audience (of area51/SE) who are interested who have never come to el&u

there are lots of people committed to the ling proposal that i've never seen here at english

plus, the people i'm acquainted with online are not part of this forum, but will very likely be interested in linguistics.se

RegDwight

13:17

Well then, spread the word.

We sure need fresh blood.

@JSBangs Currently only 8 out of the top 30.

Robusto

I tried to ask a question at Linguistics.SE but it was immediately closed. I agree, there is something about the process that is arcane or occulted.

RegDwight

Well, you asked in on Area51, not on Linguistics.SE.

Which is not to say that the process is perfectly transparent.

Robusto

@RegDwight — I thought I was asking on Linguistics.SE. Maybe I'm dumb.

RegDwight

That's what I'm saying. (Not that you're dumb, but that the process is confusing.)

Basically, there is a phase where you ask questions, then a phase where you don't, and then a phase where you do, again.

Definition, Commitment, Beta.

In the first phase you suggest on-topic and off-topic questions, to define the site. These are voted on but not yet answered.

Once there are 5 on-topic and 5 off-topic questions with at least 20 votes each, you move on to the next phase.

This is the phase Linguistics is currently in.

In this phase, people don't ask questions, but rather look at the top 5 list and either say, "ZOMG, this site is, like, so for me", or move on.

When enough people have said ZOMG, the site gets created.

Private beta first. Only people who said ZOMG are invited.

JSBangs

Robusto

13:29

What about people who say "Whoa, this site is not for me"?

RegDwight

They move on.

You can't say "this site will suck, I vote down" if that's what you mean.

Robusto

See, if you say "Whoa!" that means you disagree. If you say "Dude!" you agree. Except when you don't.

RegDwight

What about "whoa, dude!"?

Robusto

That is a way of telling someone that they really screwed up, or did something outstandingly awesome. Or you just crapped your pants. Or just spotted a hot chick. Or pwned in WoW. Or any of a number of things.

RegDwight

There. Now it's an OMG.

Just as ambiguous, if you ask me.

Robusto

13:32

Well, I think you should have said ZOMG. You want to distance yourself from people who, without irony, say OMG.

JSBangs

but now my image doesn't make any sense

RegDwight

@Robusto Yeah, but you should know that I have no idea what ZOMG means, see my top question.

JSBangs

RegDwight

JSBangs is so silly.

All because of his video card.

There, now it's a ZOMG. Perhaps I should just make my chat messages CW?

JSBangs

isn't there a strict time limit on how long you can edit chat messages for? i didn't think you could edit something that's more than a few seconds old

RegDwight

13:36

Well, you know, I am cool, unlike you.

Robusto

@RegDwight — Yeah, but JSBangs is awesome. That's better than cool.

RegDwight

Still, it's two minutes for him but not for me. I win!

JSBangs

the real question is, is that cat going ZOMG because he is interested in linguistics, or because he isn't?

i think that he is

look at the eyes

RegDwight

You should post that as a question in the Area51 discussion zone.

Then I will gladly answer it.

Here? No.

Whaddayathink, me works for free?

Robusto

Cats have done important work in fluid dynamics, assisting a research project at MIT no less. I don't see why they wouldn't be able to handle linguistics.

RegDwight

13:39

They even wear hats. That means they are qualified.

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A: Why is it "choruses" and not "chori"?

Why? Because you don't want to scare off all the semi-professionals and countless lay people who are performing in choirs and ensembles all over the country. They are hard pressed to get their notes right, without worrying about whether they are preparing three "choruses" for the next concert or ...

I am not a choir singer, but I am offended.

In fact, it's choir singers who know more about Latin and Greek than the average Joe.

Lay or not.

Robusto

cee.mit.edu/onbalance/2010/december

JSBangs

and latin

and russian, depending on what sort of choir it is

kbye, hafta restart now

Robusto

Russians prefer men's choirs, for some reason.

At least that's most of the Russian choral work I hear.

RegDwight

Depends on the music.

You're probably thinking of all those Soviet military choirs.

But if you think folk music, it's mostly women.

Robusto

I like mixed choirs. There is something special about the balance. For example, the great bombast of the Tuba mirum in the Berlioz Requiem followed by the soft balm of the women's voices in the Judicanti responsura ...

RegDwight

13:46

Ha. Berlioz. Haven't listened to him in a long time.

But Chrono Trigger first.

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