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13:00
This cannot really be Monday. There just are not enough multicollider hits for us.
what's good for multicolider hits?
swear words, sexual references, geek references...
Weefils.
How did the booty question go?
When all you have is a drill driver, everything looks screwable.
Synonym for screwable.
The booty question should have the tag. :)
Well, it's not really about pirate English though.
13:05
Teasing.
Booty is just a funny pirate way of saying putang.
@KitFox 2 up votes, but I can't tell which is the better answer
Does wiktionary autobox?
That would be no.
@MattЭллен Well, Rob's doesn't really answer the question.
I don’t understand Mitch’s comment. Again.
You could ask the difference between "as far as I can tell" and "as near as I can tell." That one has been puzzling me.
I think it's a regional difference.
13:09
@KitFox you could ask it... :D
Yeah, but...um. You need more reps.
And I'm going to offer a bounty on your booty, because I've never offered a bounty before.
2
2 badges for you!
I still need to offer a bounty on someone else's question
Two badges? Oh right, offer and accept, right?
13:11
maybe I could ask about the pronunciation of naked
Nekkid
@KitFox award your first bounty and awardyour first bounty on someone else's question
@KitFox I was going for naked vs baked
I can't decide my justification for the bounty.
@MattЭллен Oh, like why the ed. Damn. Can't find the accent grave.
I needs coffee.
brb
There. Done. Popped my bounty cherry.
13:18
woohoo!
Yay! New whiteboard!
Uh? I have offered a bounty before.
oh your own question
you can pop your investor cherry, then :D
Figures I'd do it and forget about it.
Well, it was years ago.
Speaking of forgetting, I am supposed to write another article for the Nose.
Want to help?
how can I help?
You can do the writing example parts for me.
I'll explain how, if you are interested.
I think I am going to suggest this exercise in chat tomorrow.
If anyone shows up.
I am interested
Come over to the Hotel then. We can talk there.
 
1 hour later…
14:38
The French space non-answer is comment that was made an answer because she does not have the rep to actually post a comment. But at 748 characters, it is too big to convert without some trimming.
I hope this was not too mean:
How does this comment answer the question of which authoritative English-language work forbids a French space before the question mark in English? You shudder simply because you are unused to it; that does not mean there is anything wrong with it. See Bringhurst about this specific matter of existing and expected practice in the use or non-use of spaces before other punctuation including question marks in French versus in English. You have only made a comment, not given an answer to the question that was asked. — tchrist 2 mins ago
And of course someone downvoted my "now do they?" tag question. Hmm ... I wonder who that could have been ...
Where, Rob?
@tchrist No, not mean.
There was a beleaguered old maid
Who was poor and so underpaid
One day in the fog
She poisoned their dog
And served it up as steak filet
Are you on Kris’s shitlist, too?
14:40
@tchrist Here.
@MattЭллен *fileted. FTFY
Two downvotes? Huh.
Yeah, seriously.
I don't get no respect.
@MattЭллен That does not rhyme. :(
That's why I FTFH.
@tchrist filet rhymes just fine :Þ
14:41
Steak filet rhymes with Annie Mae and meagre pay.
@MattЭллен Yes, but not with any of the words you used.
youse all just don't understand art
We understand arted, though.
Ars longa because you sit on it too much.
Here I sit
Broken-hearted
Tried to shit
But only arted.
Hi @Gnome. How are you?
@GnomeSlice did you mean to post that here?
@MattЭллен Yes.
@KitFox Not banned.
It was close though.
From chat, or from the site?
@tchrist: "cinture"? Do you mean "ceinture"?
I mean, in Italiano it would be cintura, no? But in English I have only seen ceinture.
14:54
The cincture is a liturgical vestment, worn encircling the body around or above the waist. The term has two distinct meanings, the usage generally dividing along denominational lines. Where the context does not indicate which meaning is intended, ambiguity may be avoided by the use of the terms "girdle" and "fascia". In the Roman Catholic Church, the cincture is a long, rope-like cord with tassled or knotted ends, tied around the waist outside the alb. The colour may be white, or may vary according to the colour of the liturgical season. A bishop's cincture is made of intertwining gold...
I left out the c. Oops.
I thought you were talking about belts.
Understandable; the Spanish word for belt is cinturón.
Cintura is the Spanish word for waist.
@tchrist Funny, but I didn't think of that. And I used to be an altar boy. Some things I just repress, I guess.
Now I understand everything.
Sursum corda.
14:58
So...if I put a repository on production, is that sufficient for versioning, or am I supposed to clone it to my local machine? Why do I find this process so confusing?
You build it to your production server.
The repository is just where the code is stored.
so you start at your dev code. when you're at a point where you want to test it, you clone that on your test server, when you're happy with the code on the test server, you clone that to prod (or staging, or whatever)
So I would have one on production, and one on testing?
Wait. Maybe I should diagram it on my whiteboard.
or once it's all cloned once, you just push
I have a meeting. Crud. I'll ask again later.
14:59
A repository should have full versioning. The thing you release to test and prod should be a release snap, which does not have that.
Maybe you could ask in your meeting.
@Robusto Nobody knows.
Nobody's done it before. It's my idea.
How did they ever have it on a server then?
What do you mean?
I mean, it's your idea to deploy the code to a server?
Nobody thought of that yet?
15:01
No, it's my idea to do version control.
Ohhhhh.
You mean there hadn't been any version control till now?
Kee-rist.
Well, the usual "don't forget to copy the old stuff to a dated folder."
Ouch.
I started using Mercurial maybe a year ago, but I don't know what I'm doing.
Mercurial is awesome.
We used it at my old company. Now I'm forced to use Subversion, which is basically OK but not optimal.
15:03
I don't think I've set anything up right, but now we're going to have two sites on production and I want to try to reduce the maintenance.
It's seems like it ought to be straightforward, but I can't seem to figure it out.
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Q: From ClearCase to Mercurial and now to Subversion. Should I be worried?

RobustoWhen I started my current job, I spent a year in ClearCase hell. Everything was kind of like Mordor in winter, only without the laughs. Then we started using Mercurial. Within about a day and a half the clouds moved away, the sun shone, birds started singing — or were those angels? I asked if thi...

HAha. Frig. Now I'm late. bbl.
15:42
@Robusto No, svn is suboptimal. Pisses me off a good bit. But hell, the current $job uses nothing but RCS, with thoughts toward someday moving to CVS. Big let-down from git.
15:54
0
Q: Where does "wicked" get its /ɪd/ from?

Matt ЭлленThere are three ways I know to pronounce the -ed at the end of an adjective: /t/ as in cracked. /d/ as in lined. /ɪd/ as in naked I realise naked is a special case because, as etymonline states, it comes for Old English nacod, so the suffix isn't added. This answer shows the pattern of pronu...

theories please!
@MattЭллен You didn't account for the schwa.
@Robusto the schwa in wicked?
Yes. I would pronounced it with a schwa instead of the e.
This is a dialect/accent difference in how reduced vowels are treated. Some see there being only a single reduced vowel in unstressed syllables, the schwa.
Interesting.
16:02
There is a minimal pair, roses–Rosa’s, but not everyone perceives that.
I have heard people say wickid and thought it odd.
it's how I've always heard it
Wikud seems odd to me
I believe RP considers there to exist a non-schwa reduced-i/e thing.
Consider perilous.
That's their interpretation of the American pronunciation of wicked
Yeah sure.
Wickid always sounds weird.
Like some Mainer on a witch-hunt.
Perilous has one stressed syllable and two unstressed ones.
The unstressed syllables have reduced vowels.
16:06
@Robusto so would you say Americans pronounce it /wikəd/?
But are those the same reduced vowel in both unstressed syllables of perilous?
@MattЭллен Rob and I do. Others may not.
OK, I'll add that in.
I believe RP considers the two unstressed vowels of perilous to be two different vowels, but that GA does not.
I think RP pretends/thinks they can still hear something of the i in the middle syllable.
Yep, I am right.
@MattЭллен Yes. Which points up a problem with IPA, IMO.
Also, I would suspect that it gets its /ɪd/ from the same place it gets its /lɪbiːdoʊ/. — Robusto 30 secs ago
16:11
See?
Plus even your stressed vowel is fubarred.
The IPA chart I'm looking at uses /ɨ/ for spotted.
That would be the UK one. I would have a schwa there.
See, someone invented the one chart to rule them all, and all these sounds still prove to be unruly.
The thing is, in some dialects, all reduced vowels become schwa. Australian is one of these, as our most American dialects.
I believe roses/Rosa’s is one of only two minimal pairs for the difference. I forget the other one.
Plus for me, the first might still be a schwa, while the second might be more like /ɐ/.
It takes a lot of work to even hear that minimal pair.
I would find myself stressing the second syllable of Rosa's to underescore the difference.
16:17
Exactly. But I wonder whether that is just the typical over-enunciation of citation forms.
Maybe the closer minimal pair would be Rose's / Rosa's?
And that any such distinction would be lost in normal speech.
@Matt What is your unstressed vowel in learnèd?
Schwa, or that uptight-i thing, like /ɪ/ or /ɨ/?
-1
Q: Grammatical manners

HollyWhen one wishes to thank someone effusively for a wonderful birthday dinner, would it be considered gramatically gauche to use a plethora of superlatives?

@tchrist I would say it's a schwa
16:20
@RegDwighт rofl
I would totally swallow the second vowel in Rose's but pronounce it fully in Rosa's.
@RegDwighт We don’t fucking do etiquette, I keep telling people.
@Robusto Well, not “fully”, in that it is not the same as in stress position. Consider the Great Khan.
@MattЭллен Well, so much for that theory then.
@tchrist I just mean I wouldn't stint it.
@tchrist yeah.
More to the point, it would be grammatically impeccable to thank them by calling them stinking morons. — RegDwighт 9 secs ago
That's grammatical manners for you.
Manners for Morons. Like C++ For Dummies.
16:24
I was just rewatching some Jeeves & Wooster last night. It is simply incredibly awesome how Jeeves can be utterly polite in his cuts.
@Robusto C++ for Dummies is about as good of an idea as Home Bomb-making for Dummies, No Children under Six Permitted.
0
A: What is the difference between "scent" and "odor"?

tomWHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE THOUGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I may get Marshall after all.
I never will.
I sure do get a lot of votes, though, I tell ya.
I'm at 562 helpful flags.
I have like 200 flags. In two years and change. Marshall is very hard here, but trivial at SO.
We need to set the bat signal down to like 1 if we really expect any pile-on flags. But honestly, I don’t think you guys really need that extra weighting.
Why do you have so many flags?
Does approving a flag for someone else count as one for you, too?
so many countries visit us
16:29
@tchrist Because I've been trying to get Marshal. In vain.
@tchrist no, but I can flag spam as spam prior to deleting it.
In fact, flagging it as spam does delete it.
I noticed that the other day on SO.
@tchrist How could it fail?
I hit the spam flag and came back and said deleted. Forget the count threshold.
16:30
I forget it all the time.
It has to do with certain stop words, too.
@RegDwighт Why are you flagging? Iron-poor blood? Anyway, you're supposed to respond to flags, not propagate them.
So for some words, it's just two flags.
16:30
Or even one.
For others, it's more.
Had had no idea.
Didn’t know stop words were involved.
@MattЭллен Visit is such a polite euphemism for shit on.
@Robusto well, responding to flags gets me no badges. Come to think of it, neither does leaving flags. I might as well say screw it, and go for a Weltreise.
@RegDwighт You would then become worldly.
That's what I fear.
It's not the same thing as heimatlos.
16:33
@RegDwighт Especially this time of the year.
Pro tip: it's not this time of the year if you go for a Weltreise.
I recommend St John.
It’s just divine.
Divine and conker.
don't Weltreises serve in restaurants?
You have to be careful with saints, though. If you go to St. Andrew's this time of year, the golfing sucks.
And how the fuck did Kit get canonized and get an island in the Caribbean? It's just not fair!
16:35
@RegDwighт It’s actually one of the places where you can get served conch without breaking the bank.
@Robusto We already established that the last two words are sufficient.
Code golfing.
Good rolfing.
That one blows.
Hurls, even.
Pocket pool is an indoor sport that can be played year-round.
16:37
I hated junior high school, too.
Whence the name, can can.
Well, it's not called can can't, now is it?
You can't tell.
10
Q: How can I distinguish "can" & "can't" from pronunciation?

trVoldemortIt's very difficult for me to separate them. I was just listening to some video and it said "Fat cells can’t reproduce themselves." What I thought I've heard is "... CAN reproduce ..." Frankly, that's pretty annoying.

Can’t be done. If you can can the can can, nobody will go to burlesques any longer.
Sure is hell being a non-native speaker, Frenchy.
Tell that to Gérard.
16:39
I don’t speak Kerrilic.
@RegDwighт Hmm, this is one time I disagree with @Kosmo. In a lot of cases, can is shortened. "Come on, you c'n do it!" Whereas can't would be stressed.
@Robusto get a Necromancer.
This guy is anything but punctual:
0
A: What does ‘Camel gets his nose under the tent’ mean?

azamits a common adage used in Indo-Pak subcontinent, meaning if you give the camel room to fit his head in the tent, he would make space for his body himself if someone can get a part of his way, he would soon get the remaining as well somewhat a "foot in the door" type usage

@RegDwighт Not bloody likely.
16:43
Last check it was Hugo at 13, me at 11, Barrie at 10, and everybody else in non-serious positions.
@tchrist For what? Necromancer?
Yes.
I'm in a perfectly serious position seeing how I got every single Necromancer I aimed for.
Although Reg has been bucking for them lately.
This is a rather classical case of "I could have OVER 9000 if I only wanted; but I don't!"
16:44
Who needs it?
Dead people.
Dol Guldur.
A ninth-level magic user.
@Robusto I'm told you can exchange seven for a French passport.
@RegDwighт Gerard Depardieu doesn't care. He wants a Russian one.
No he doesn't.
See picture above.
ils est mort, mais ils n'est pas mots
16:45
People never want what they have.
No more majestic require-and-requests.
@tchrist also, don't let me bring up how Barrie got them. Or yourself, for that matter.
Not sure about Hugo.
cough dupes
Couldn’t have answered an old dup. It’d’ve been closed.
16:47
Um.
You mean following a link from a new dup to the orig, and finding its answers underwhelming so remedying the situation? So?
No.
I mean answering freshly-posted dupes. Knowing they'll get merged. Come on, we've discussed it before.
I had no idea.
It makes sense.
But I had had no idea.
Well who did I discuss it with, then?
It couldn't have been anyone but you.
That is not what I mean.
I mean that it was never a strategy.
16:49
Ah.
Well okay. I'll scratch you off the list.
But not Barrie.
I smell better when scratched.
Haha, Barrie actually got two Necromancers for the same question.
Two for "don't impress me much"; one for "won't"; one for "aren't I"; one for "help to"; one for "prefer to/over"...
He's the King of Necromergers.
And yeah, not seeing anything like that on your list, so I definitely take that back.
@RegDwighт Haha.
So why get more Necromancers? Do you get a set of steak knives or something?
Me? I only needed one for a now-gone hat.
Populist. Now there's a badge.
16:58
The one before that was where I ran into a two-year old comment of mine and thought I should turn it into an answer, especially seeing how it contradicted the then-accepted answer.
@Robusto used to be hard.
Still is.
In fact I was the first one to get it.
Needless to say, I first had to find a meh question to milk.
Well, good for you.
And it still took like a year.

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