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MετάEd

00:02

@KitFox We'll cross our fingers for you.

Aww ... somebody gave me juice.

tchrist

@KitFox I’m kinda glad I got the pussycat hat. It is such a fuzzy cutie!

cornbread ninja

00:38

@MετάEd is it tasty?

tchrist

@cornbreadninja Here we go. The quote is too nice not to include with the accepted answer:

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A: What are footnotes called when they aren’t in the footer?

Just to amplify what Mohit said in his accepted answer above, here is a quote from the author he mentioned in that answer. This is from where Bringhurst extols the virtues of what he called sidenotes. I include it here particularly since it is not available on Google Books or elsewhere, and it i...

cornbread ninja

@tchrist I was just there. Let me go back.

tchrist

The stuff I didn’t type in is great, too, where he really rags on footnotes. But I want the fair-use exclusion.

I made it CW so people don’t think I am just trying to rep-whore my own question.

Did you notice most of my questions today were about typography?

cornbread ninja

Can't they simply be notes?

Does he call them names?

KitFox

Marginals?

cornbread ninja

00:49

Isn't that what the margin comics in MAD are called?

@tchrist I did.

KitFox

I don't know.

Oh my god. Triscuits, bacon flavored cheese, and pepperoni.

tchrist

@cornbreadninja You are quite right, in fact. He indeed calls them just notes, but specifically describes footnotes, endnotes, and sidenotes.

KitFox

Also, root beer and rum.

tchrist

I could have made that clearer.

cornbread ninja

considers adding another damn answer

tchrist

00:51

Please do! :)

cornbread ninja

@KitFox pass the baco-queso, por favor.

KitFox

passes

cornbread ninja

goes long

KitFox

giggles

cornbread ninja

@tchrist and me without my Bringhurst.

KitFox

00:53

This is probably too feminine, huh?

cornbread ninja

I have twentyish books at the bf's place, but not his.

simchona

@KitFox Redecorating?

KitFox

@simchona Yeah.

cornbread ninja

@KitFox I'm not sure.

Does it come with all those pillows?

It does.

KitFox

I wouldn't get all those pillows though.

I'm not a sham kind of girl.

cornbread ninja

00:56

More into straight cons?

KitFox

Or a "decorative throw pillows on my bed" kind of girl.

Because then I would have to make the bed.

tchrist

@cornbreadninja It is one of those books you do not want to get as a so-called “ebook”. I do not think it is even available that way.

cornbread ninja

I feel you.

KitFox

I enjoy that.

cornbread ninja

@tchrist I don't want any ebooks, ever.

titters

Robusto

00:57

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Q: Isn't "The group of fifty people are going to arrive Thursday." grammatically correct?

Isn't the following sentence grammatically correct? The group of fifty people are going to arrive Thursday. What's wrong with it? Someone said it should be The group of fifty people is going to arrive Thursday. Why? People is plural so why is people is better than people are?

grammar

OH, FFS. Haven't we seen this a thousand times already?

tchrist

We have the power.

Yes.

I forget the canonical original to dupe it against.

Robusto

Who can find the original fastest? Go.

cornbread ninja

@Robusto dial fumblefingers.

KitFox

I want a pattern, but something masculine feeling. I want reds and dark browns and cream colors.

Robusto

@KitFox Tartan.

KitFox

00:58

Maybe geometric. That's different.

cornbread ninja

@KitFox argyle.

KitFox

Tartans are geometric.

cornbread ninja

argyles are diamondy.

KitFox

Also geometric. Yes.

tchrist

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Q: Are collective nouns always plural, or are certain ones singular?

I'd say Microsoft have a way of bending the rules and I know that McLaren have won the championship. While this sounds strange, I believe it is correct English (sorry, I'm not native). But when it's a small company, would you still use it this way? Is a company always plural, or are small compa...

grammaticality grammatical-number collective-nouns

cornbread ninja

00:59

claps, sips juice

drools

tchrist

Is that the master, @Kit?

KitFox

Hey @Rob, how does this rate on the girly scale?

@tchrist Which now? The question? Probably. @Reg is the expert.

tchrist

@KitFox That is not girly. It has a very masculine color to it, and a simple pattern.

Robusto

@KitFox I give it 6 out of ten pink floral appliques.

cornbread ninja

kohls.com/product/prd-c17000/…

KitFox

01:00

@Robusto Would you feel emasculated if you had to sleep under it every night?

tchrist

It must be the master. It has 18 links to it. Voting to close as dup to that one.

KitFox

@cornbreadninja Yeah, I liked that, but the colors...I want to try something different, and blue is very typical for me.

Robusto

Look, let me spell it out for you. Men don't give a fuck about the sheets as long as they have a naked woman underneath them.

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tchrist

All sheets are the same color in the dark.

Or once you get through with them.

cornbread ninja

@kit kohls.com/product/prd-c31105/…

KitFox

01:01

@Robusto Really? Are you absolutely certain? You wouldn't feel gay if your duvet was pink flowers?

simchona

@cornbreadninja I love that

cornbread ninja

@KitFox same. but blue is calm and sleepy.

@simchona :D

tchrist

@Rob First dup-vote in.

cornbread ninja

it looks like a delicious groom's cake.

tchrist

:750039 Those are not pink flowers, are they though?

simchona

01:02

It looks like something I'll consider decorating my apartment with next year.

tchrist

And what does sucking cock have to do with pink?

Robusto

@KitFox Pink flowers would be pushing it. But mostly men don't care. Seriously.

KitFox

@Robusto That's a relief. Thank you.

tchrist

I do not think Rob will suddenly have a hankering for a breakfast of champions just because he has burgundy bedspread above him. The color cannot possibly matter.

cornbread ninja

@KitFox it should probably be soft, though.

@simchona I'm moving in a couple months.

KitFox

01:04

I kind of dig this. Definitely different than my usual thing.

@cornbreadninja In with your...um, Tim, was it?

cornbread ninja

@KitFox no'm.

But closer.

tchrist

@KitFox Too charcoal.

And austere.

And cold.

cornbread ninja

Our apartments are ~20 minutes apart.

KitFox

I moved in upstairs from my husband before we married.

I mean, I was on the third floor, he on the first.

tchrist

@Rob are you gonna help dup-close that one?

Robusto

01:06

Already did.

We see this question twice a week, in one form or another. — Robusto 1 min ago

tchrist

Thanks.

Plus it is getting all the wrong answer from dumb Americans who know no better.

Not enough context.

cornbread ninja

@KitFox I was considering earlier today living in this huge complex.

KitFox

Ack. No!

Unless you mean "my estate" then yes!

cornbread ninja

@simchona kohls.com/product/prd-c31120/… also blue

KitFox

This one has the color scheme I'm going for.

Robusto

01:09

Just don't make it too frou-frou and you should be fine.

KitFox

It won't be frou frou. I'm not that kind of girl.

I'm a sleep-on-a-mattress-on-the-floor kind of girl.

I think my girlfriend and I actually broke up because of her dust ruffle thing.

At least, we haven't spoken since then.

I like this medallion pattern.

Maybe once we get the bedroom door on, I'll start sleeping in the nude again.

Robusto

►

KitFox

That plus cozy bedroom might fix things.

Robusto

Imogen lies all in a Heap.

tchrist

@KitFox Lots of neutral colors, eh?

@KitFox That one is ok.

Robusto

01:16

Seriously, the testosterone of this room is flagging. I have to get out ... now. Laters.

cornbread ninja

scratches balls

KitFox

Wait! I could talk about all the women I have nailed!

I'm drinking rum!

tchrist

@Robusto Yeah, chickspace does that.

KitFox

@tchrist Preferably brown-toned neutrals with red accents.

Or vice versa.

tchrist

There are designer names for those reds, but I get the point. And don’t know the names. :(

Maroon, maybe?

Probably not.

KitFox

01:19

No, maroon is less red. I'd call it burgundy maybe.

tchrist

I always think of burgundy as a bit purpler. I know this isn’t right, and that it is just contamination from the wine.

KitFox

No, you're right.

I can't think of a good name for it though. It's not brick red, that's brighter.

This is pretty. Very castle-y feeling.

I'd get tired of it in a week though.

tchrist

Yes, I should imagine.

cornbread ninja

crimson? ox blood?

tchrist

@cornbreadninja I added a tiny bit reminding people Bringhurst calls them notes in general when talking about all of them. That way you do not have to add your own new answer — unless you want to. :)

KitFox

01:23

Crimson is pretty bright too, innit?

tchrist

Crimson is dark.

KitFox

Ox blood is a good one though. That's about the color I'm going for.

cornbread ninja

@tchrist I started one, but ultimately abandoned it.

KitFox

I think I might have to make my own. That way I'll have an excuse to get more elephant fabric.

I love that.

tchrist

burgundy: A shade of red of the color of Burgundy wine.
camellia: a bright red, the color of red camellias.
carmine: A beautiful red or crimson pigment obtained from cochineal.; As the name of a color. Of this color; deep crimson.
carnadine: Red, or carnation color; or a stuff of that color
chaudron: A reddish color, somewhat resembling copper.
cinnabar: A red color like that of vermilion.
coquelicot: The color of the common Red Poppy, a brilliant red with an admixture of orange.
crimson: The name of a color: of a deep red somewhat inclining towards purple; of the color of an alkaline inf…

There are many more where those came from.

KitFox

01:25

Oh right. Harvard is crimson.

cornbread ninja

"rare wine" target.com/p/merona-crossbody-rare-wine/-/…

that is my purse. I can't believe how off the color is.

KitFox

Don't look at it! It will just make you angry!

cornbread ninja

I thought I remembered them calling it ox blood.

cornbread smash!

KitFox

hee hee hee

tchrist

ferruginous: Resembling iron-rust in color; reddish brown.
flammulated: Of a reddish color, ruddy.
grenat: Of a deep red color, like that of garnet.
incarnadine: Properly, Flesh-colored, carnation, pale red or pink; but also used for various shades of crimson or blood-red
lateritious: Pertaining to or resembling brick; of the color of brick, brick-red: said chiefly of urinary deposits.

KitFox

01:27

How's the testosterone now?

Garnet. Yes. That's it.

cornbread ninja

gets probe out

tchrist

mahogany: Of the color of polished mahogany, reddish-brown.
miniaceous, minious, miniatous, miniate: Of a cinnabar-red color. Of the color of minium or red-lead
moorit: A reddish brown color.
mordore: A brown color mixed with red.
mulberry: The color of a mulberry. A deep reddish-brown

cornbread ninja

mordor!

KitFox

Hmm. It would be kind of hot to uh, you know, shop for bedding upstairs while my husband is playing poker with the boys downstairs.

Maybe that's the rum talking.

tchrist

nacarat: A bright orange-red color.
picescent, piceous: of a color between reddish-black and rust-colored
ponceau: The bright red color of the corn poppy. Also the name of a coal-tar dye of red color.
rufous: Of a brownish-red color; reddish; ferruginous.
sanguinolent: Having the color of blood, blood-red.
scarlet: A brilliant vivid red color, inclining to orange.

cornbread ninja

01:29

yo ho ho.

KitFox

Damn. I've broken tchrist again.

cornbread ninja

Fonz-fists tchrist

you know, like what he did to the jukebox.

tchrist

Siena, Sienna: A ferruginous earth used as a pigment in oil and water-color painting (called burnt sienna when it has been exposed to a red heat). The color of this pigment, a rich reddish brown.
sinoper: A color of some shade of red. (lake, cinnabar)
sorrel: Of a bright chestnut color; reddish brown:
terra-cotta: The color of this pottery, a brownish red of various shades.
terra rosa: A light red color of paint similar to Venetian red.
testaceous: brick-colored; Of the color of a tile, a flower-pot, unglazed pottery, etc.; dull red; in Zool. and Bot. applied to shades of brownish red, bro…

KitFox

w00t!

tchrist

tony: A fashion color between red and brown
tuly: Of a deep red color, like that of `tuly' silk
vermeil: Of a bright scarlet or red color; vermilion. Chiefly poet.
vermilion: Cinnabar or red crystalline mercuric sulphide, esp. in later use that obtained artificially, much valued on account of its brilliant scarlet color, and largely used as a pigment or in the manufacture of red sealing-wax; also, any red earth resembling this and similarly used as a pigment. The color of this pigment; a bright red or scarlet.

Those are most of the reds.

KitFox

01:31

imagines cornbread fisting tchrist

tchrist

Or at least, the interesting ones.

user19161

@tchrist I only know blue, red, yellow, purple, orange, green, brown, white, black.

cornbread ninja

goodbye, grey sky, hello blue

tchrist

@JasperLoy Try violet.

KitFox

Everybody else has.

tchrist

01:33

resists the lavender draw

Gods, do I have to go answer more of my own questions? :(

cornbread ninja

want

target.com/p/lela-rose-dress/-/A-14206602#prodSlot=large_1_41

tchrist

@cornbreadninja Ask @Jasper what color it is. I dare ya.

KitFox

@cornbreadninja Pretty.

tchrist

It is a lovely amethyst, isn’t it?

KitFox

Now this looks like a good bed to get tossed in.

tchrist

01:38

With frissons of lilac.

Sienna. At least they told you what color it is this time.

KitFox

I'm going to have to paint the head board.

cornbread ninja

the reviews are terrible.

KitFox

Review.

cornbread ninja

@KitFox ooh, bring the wine to bed!

@KitFox sorry! of the dress.

KitFox

@cornbreadninja Oh. Yeah, I see now.

cornbread ninja

01:39

:{

KitFox

I have to be careful with the wine. I like to drink it very much.

I like to drink very much of it very much.

tchrist

It will stain your bedding.

But not the porcelain.

Make sure to hurl only when kneeling.

KitFox

It's not the hurling that concerns me.

It's the passing out and being hungover.

And not actually getting laid.

cornbread ninja

marginals

@KitFox same.

I think we had two bottles on new year's eve.

We started at 2PM or something.

KitFox

Oh swank. Too bad it's WalMart.

@cornbreadninja Wow. I wish I had that kind of time.

tchrist

01:43

Oh drat. I know the group-question guy. Should have been nicer.

cornbread ninja

ooh, dat is swank.

tchrist

I mean, like in person know.

cornbread ninja

@KitFox ._.

KitFox

Sometimes I miss those days. We had some crazy good times.

cornbread ninja

@tchrist edit?

KitFox

01:44

I wouldn't trade the kids for it, but still.

cornbread ninja

(What group question?)

KitFox

I wish we had a rewind button sometimes.

cornbread ninja

Oh, that one.

tchrist

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Q: Isn't "The group of fifty people are going to arrive Thursday." grammatically correct?

Possible Duplicate: Are collective nouns always plural, or are certain ones singular? Is “group” singular or plural? Isn't the following sentence grammatically correct? The group of fifty people are going to arrive Thursday. What's wrong with it? Someone said it should be ...

grammar

That one.

KitFox

Not that I want to do it again, but I'd like to feel it.

tchrist

01:45

At least, he has the name of someone I know, and it is not a particularly common name.

But he has no SO account, so maybe it is not him.

cornbread ninja

I was going to say, how could you know that for sure?

There's no website or anything.

tchrist

Right. Well, we shall see.

checks email

KitFox

Does he live near you?

tchrist

No, he used to live in the same town as me, here in Boulder. Gaming buddy.

Lives in San Francisco now.

Hacker.

cornbread ninja

Dangit.

KitFox

01:48

Then it's probably not him.

tchrist

On verra, but ok.

I am somewhat disappointed there is no 30-hat hat to go with the 15-hat hat. :)

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Q: What do you think of Winter Bash?

As Winter Bash winds down, I'm interested in hearing your feedback about the event. While I've been pretty responsible about monitoring (and responding to) questions in winterbash, I'm more interested in knowing what you all think of the event! What have you enjoyed? What would you like to se...

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> As a reminder: hats go back in their boxes at 23:59 UTC on 4 January 2013. Be sure to collect all your hats (and screencaps of gravatars) by then!

I love people who give real times.

Only complaint is that it was darn near impossible to get any attention on non-hat-related Meta questions for a good solid week. — meta.michael 4 hours ago

Robusto

02:05

@Matt: I found another typo in my article. Would you mind placing the question mark outside the quotes in the following:

> But haven’t you ever found some mechanical thing to be loose when it was supposed to be tight and said, “I feel a little give in it?”

Should be

But haven’t you ever found some mechanical thing to be loose when it was supposed to be tight and said, “I feel a little give in it”?

KitFox

So you came back so I could revel in my conquests, eh?

Robusto

You're so full of sheet.

KitFox

Haha. No.

Done with sheets and on to the drapes.

tchrist

Drapes.

Robusto

You're talking hats?

tchrist

02:06

She doesn’t have curtains.

The lady has drapes.

Robusto

I officially don't care about hats, not even on Gollum.

tchrist

It’s all window-dressing if you ask me.

Robusto

For @Reg it's all Russian dressing.

tchrist

That’s like spicy French, right?

KitFox

Mmm. Russian dressing.

It's like maple syrup and ketchup.

Robusto

02:09

Ugh. No, not like that at all.

KitFox

Did you lose your humor?

tchrist

This is just wrong:

Russian dressing

Russian dressing is a salad dressing invented in Nashua, New Hampshire by James E. Colburn, likely in the 1910s. (Colburn first named his experiment Russian mayonnaise, labels for which are today in the possession of collectors.) Typically piquant, it is today characteristically made of a blend of mayonnaise and ketchup complemented with such additional ingredients as horseradish, pimentos, chives and spices. See also *Fry sauce *Thousand Island dressing *Marie Rose sauce References External links *[http://www.barrypopik.com/index.php/new_york_city/entry/russian_dressing Historical de...

Robusto

Would it have been worth while
If one, settling a pillow or throwing off a shawl,
And turning toward the window, should say:
  “That is not it at all,
  That is not what I meant, at all.”

tchrist

KitFox

Way to bring it together @Rob

Robusto

02:12

De nada.

BTW, these are the only store-bought dressings I can recommend, at all.

tchrist

Yes, I like those.

Robusto

Marie don't make no Russian dressing. And Charlie don't surf.

KitFox

I like Newman's Own.

Robusto

BTW, this series is a must-see. Totally engrossing, completely revealing.

If you don't have Showtime, get it. I'm serious.

KitFox

Before or after Breaking Bad?

Robusto

02:17

Breaking Bad is the best TV drama ever. But this is a very compelling take on recent history.

KitFox

Hmm. It sounds like the kind of thing I ought to be into.

I think I'll watch some Doctor Who now though.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Good evening

KitFox

Hi @Mr.Shiny.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

How is everyone

KitFox

Pretty good. I was researching my affliction and decided that I should try redecorating the bedroom.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

02:27

My wife wants to redecorate ours too

What affliction?

KitFox

Sexual dysfunction. You know. Been plaguing me for years now.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Oh that one.

KitFox

There's got to be something that will work.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Yeah that would be annoying. Have you consulted a physician?

KitFox

Yep.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

02:30

Hm.

KitFox

5 hours ago, by KitFox

My gp recommended Fifty Shades of Grey and a vibrator.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Haha

KitFox

Not very helpful advice.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

No not really

KitFox

I was reading some articles earlier and mocking.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

02:31

Could have at least recommended something better written

KitFox

5 hours ago, by KitFox

It's so frustrating. The "best" advice I get is 'try doing something really out there, like shaving off your pubic hair.' Seriously. You think that's out there, we shouldn't even be having this conversation.

You think Fifty Shades of Grey is gonna do it for me, we shouldn't be talking.

But the one piece of advice I read that I thought might be helpful was a room makeover. Reduce the clutter, etc, just like you would if you were having insomnia.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Maybe you should try shaving your husband's pubic hair

KitFox

...

ponders

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Reduce the clutter, so to speak

I would suggest a vacation without the kids

KitFox

It causes painful chafing when it is growing back, but since we're not doing it anyway...

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 We did that for his birthday. We had a great time and realized that we need more time to play together. And still no sex.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

02:38

Hm. Do you think it would help to make it a habit of getting away?

KitFox

It probably would, but I don't know how we could do that.

Maybe we should try cross-gender roleplay. I haven't done that before.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Find another couple you can trade babysitting with

KitFox

But we'd have to leave the house and we can't afford a lot of hotel visits.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Or send the kids out for a sleepover

KitFox

No, I mean if we don't leave the house, we work on renovating it.

Instead of playing.

It would be nice if we could dance together again.

Or even if we played music together. It's been ages since we did that.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

02:41

A yes, a common problem. My wife can't enjoy herself at home

KitFox

I think that will change after we move, though.

We're under a lot of pressure to get the house in shape so well can sell it.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

That's why we're spending so much time at my parents' place this week. Because at home she can't relax.

Stress doesn't help but it also doesn't go away unless you change things. I mean there is always a new source of stress right behind the last one

KitFox

Yeah, tru dat.

My mother-in-law thought it would be fun to talk about the changes I wanted to make to the house once we moved in (we're going to buy her house). I finally told her it was just making me more stressed out to think about the work that would need to be done there.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Home ownership is a never ending last of tasks. I miss living in a condo

Anyway i have to get going. Hope you figure out an answer soon.

KitFox

I'm kind of pissed that we are finally going to have this place looking good just in time to sell it.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Good night!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

02:49

Good night!

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