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@DannyuNDos Well, the first sense of this word works: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/95?m=66632340#66632340
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@Mitch No, my father was born English but his family moved to PA when he was three years old. There, he lived for thirty-odd years (albeit in different counties), then he and mother packed us all up and moved to Chile. They've lived here ever since, although they still visit folks in PA at times.
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@Mitch At first glance, because of my appearance, strangers often assume that I am part of the German population (from a colonization about 150yrs ago in the region); but among my neighbors I feel accepted as a regular, although there is no use my trying to hide the fact that I'm a foreigner for more than about ten or twenty minutes of conversation (apart from being so white).
The folks call my family "Los gringuitos", but it's usually an identifier (perhaps even with a trace of affection) rather than a separator. OK, that's a good question but I don't think I'm answering it completely...
I have had the privilege of finding some top-notch friends here, who have patiently helped me to find my way in the cultural identity maze.
@GratefulDisciple Yeah, I'm old-fashioned. I don't need people or machines snooping around my house.
03:10
> The government of this country is criminal :)
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@CowperKettle Hmm I wonder how dangerous that is.
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Oh you're normally much better at this than I am!
And I have a fever of 39.1 degrees.
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I did Google two words I suspected had extra meanings.
@Cerberus Yes, I really missed this. I was impatient.
03:53
Yeah, that happens.
 
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But barking is far more annoying than talking. It's horrible, like baby screams.
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@Cerberus To you humans. Us raccoons are far more tolerant.
Whom are you talking to?
I do not know why humans feel entitled to walk all through the park at 11am, while I'm getting some much-deserved rest, making their mouth noises as loud as they please.
Humans suck.
 
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We are having unusual bright sunny days after January 18. And peak winter lasted for only 5-6 days.
 
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@Mitch I’ve thought for a long time that ELU lacks whar I’d call curation—or some way to organize the various types of questions beyond the model that the best answers rise to the top, and some efforts are made to get sone duplicates together. For a framework or a summary Wikipedia is often better than a list of duplicates.
At this point I don’t know how to do this, although I once made a suggestion on meta.
When burning to the ground I’s save Lawler as well as Yargs.
But this is hard work.
@Robusto I’d, that is.
I meant that for @Mitch.
 
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@CowperKettle ALIENSSSSSS!!!
More seriously, a more honest title would be "hasn't been explained by modern physics yet"
 
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@jlliagre Good afternoon. I wrote an answer in Music.SE that involves a French-language musical direction for the pianist by Maurice Ravel: "Les petites notes doivent être frappés sur le temps." A longtime Music.SE contributor suggested the translation to be "the grace notes should be played on the beat." Is that accurate?
I realize that this might involve meanings specific to music (happens a lot in English), but I'm just seeking the general sense of the sentence.
13:45
@Xanne oh I was exaggerating for effect :)
Burning things down is childish frustration
@Xanne oh sure the structure of Wikipedia is much better for some things.
But it's a lot of work...oh you just said that
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I think, of the many points I'm not making clear, is that there are thousands of actual experts, who are paid to be experts, that -could- give good and accurate and helpful answers, but there's no reason to come here to do it for free.
So the no experts are left
And so the answers aren't in general so great.
That goes for ELU, ELL, frankly all the SE sites, Reddit, whatever q&a site.
@Cerberus Really? Go to the doctor immediately. Any adult with a fever above 102F needs immediate medical care.
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@Cerberus I second what Tom said. You need immediate medical attention.
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Most people cannot even drive safely at that level of fever. They're too sick and confused for it.
@jlliagre Looks like you were ready to pounce today after yesterday's drubbing.
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@GratefulDisciple I'm not at all a music specialist but that's how I understand frappées sur le temps. The temps either represents the whole duration of the interval between pulses or the precise time a new pulse occurs. The latter makes sense in that case.
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@jlliagre Thanks for the feedback. If I want to be thorough and true to Ravel's intention, I think I have to search for a journal article about this piano piece that typically will definitely go into some musicological study of the composer, performance practice and composition-genre of that era, witness report (or if we're in luck, recordings) of composer-"authorized" first performances, etc.
In the meantime, when I google frappées what come up is Starbucks' rendition of Frappé 😊. When I DeepL translate "frappées sur le temps" it comes up with "time-stamped" with alternatives "struck on time" and "struck on the beat". Instead of meaning "being served Frappé on time" (just joking). Humans are so creative in generating meaning given a string of words.
@jlliagre But I would definitely prioritize the two meanings of temps from a native speaker. (Note to self) I need to start learning French this year.
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@Cerberus I'm very sorry! Get well soon!
@Vikas Today we had the year's first great sunshine, with a strong sun.
@tchrist Your concern is touching, but there is no need for that.
The 39+ temperature is just a peak of the day.
And I think I interpreted my thermometer a bit incorrectly, it is more like 39.1.
Now it is 37.3.
@Cerberus Did you use that mercury thermometer?
No, it's not that haha.
Long storry.
I wonder when we will get subscription based physical objects like phone, PC and cars.
Also AI based thermometer.
Also AI generated food.
@Cerberus That's safer.
Do you know what illness has taken you?
14:51
Here they say go see your doctor if your temperature is over 40 for more than a brief moment, I think.
103F = call a doctor
105F = go to emergency room
@tchrist Most probably just the flu.
WE HAVE MILLIONS OF MILLIONS OF VIRUSES. That could be a cause.
It can certainly happen.
A doctor can't do anything about the flu.
14:52
I wonder who will decipher my last statement.
@Cerberus Did you skip this year's flu shot?
Of course you still can get the flu even if you had a shot.
Oh they only give that to the less healthy here.
Nights are typically when fever peaks.
Yes.
Although oddly the intense sweating happens at other times.
> CDC: "Everyone 6 months and older should get a flu vaccine every season with rare exceptions. Vaccination is particularly important for people who are at higher risk of serious complications from influenza."
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We don't have any flu shots here for the most people. I wonder if we have less cases here or some other reason.
Yes, it's more important for people who have other health issues.
@tchrist They don't do that here.
My parents get it.
But not I.
I bet I never got a flu shot before I turned 40.
But I cannot remember whether or when any guidance changed. It's not my field.
I'm sure the conditions for being in the 'risk group' are published somewhere here.
I believe that part of this is that they're trying to boost group immunity as a measure of protection for the vulnerable.
14:58
> De griepprik is voor mensen met:

een leeftijd van 60 jaar en ouder. Hier horen ook de mensen bij die vóór 1 mei van het volgend jaar 60 jaar worden;
een longziekte, zoals astma waarvoor ontstekingsremmers gebruikt worden, COPD (Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease (chronische bronchitis of longemfyseem) ) en ernstige en langdurige longschade na COVID-19;
een probleem in de functie van het hart, zoals na een hartaanval, hartritmestoornissen of hartfalen;
Diabetes type 1 en 2;
een nierziekte;
It's like how even young caregivers get full shots: their charges are at greater risk otherwise.
Oh 60 there.
Yeah, 60 or some relevant afflixion.
Like pregnancy.
I feel like it might have been that here at one time not too very long ago as well. I think I started getting mine before then as soon as I realized that I was closely interacting with family members who were older than that.
@tchrist Yeah, same here. And I do remember getting the flu before that age. It was not pleasant. You wake up feeling like you've been beaten with a chain.
Oh I bet this started in 2009 during that year's international pandemic of influenza.
At least my own habit if not the guidance.
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@tchrist That is a concern I can understand.
I see the vaccine costs about €25 to get.
THEY CHARGE YOU FOR IT!?!?
So maybe that's worth it, even though it often doesn't work very well.
I've never paid for a shot, ever.
@tchrist If you are not in the risk group.
If you are, it is free.
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"Doesn't work very well" is often what people outside of public health think of a flu shot that confers "only" 33-55% protection. They think that that means that 2/3 to 1/2 of them will still get sick. That is not what that is saying.
It virtually always significantly decreases the severity of the infection. Its purpose is preventing serious illness and the threat of hospitalization and death. It is not intended to confer sterilizing immunity, for these shots do not work that way.
I thought it was that the shot gives you material from a number of different strains, but usually your body only builds up resistance against one of those strains, so then it is a bit of a lottery which one will affect you?
Yes.
That's a good part of it.
But you are saying you still get partial protection against the other strains?
Vaccines are usually trivalent or quadrivalent. They guess which 3 or 4 strains to culture for that coming here. It's a hard game to predict.
Yes.
Exactly that.
I see.
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MitchIn English there has been a recent popularization over the questionable use of the word 'literally'. It has been pointed out that it is a common informal usage (often called a mistake) in English of 'literally' as an intensifier rather than as a marker of non-figurative use, especially since it s...

> All flu vaccines for the 2024–2025 season are trivalent, meaning they are designed to protect against three flu strains. These include an influenza A(H1N1) virus, an influenza A(H3N2) virus, and an influenza B/Victoria virus.
@Cerberus very little traction to the literally question at Chinese.SE
@GratefulDisciple That would turn the grace notes into appoggiaturas, which would be consistent with the baroque reference (Couperin) Ravel was aiming form.
So if you get bird flu, an H5N1 strain, it won't do as much good.
And the one person who engaged didn't seem to be familiar with the issue in English
(translates just fine in Google translate)
15:10
@Mitch I'm kind of not surprised.
But over the years of getting hit with various annual strains, you increase your general immunity. Respiratory viruses in general worldwide circulation mutate extremely quickly, though.
Yeah.
It's 17 degrees here and I've had 6 inches of new snow since I went to bed. It's still snowing.
And I heard that the common cold can be caused by a wide array of very different, often completely unrelated viruses, so there is no vaccinating against that.
And in 10% of cases it is even bacterial?
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@tchrist Here they are quadrivalent.
The "common" cold has a wide variety of possible pathogens behind it, including most commonly various sorts of rhinoviruses followed by various sorts of coronaviruses, but there are others besides.
@Cerberus Ours often are as well. For whatever this year the CDC is having us do trivalent ones.
And flu and cold are often hard to distinguish.
But this is so bad and it takes so long that it seems like the flu.
Oddly, I had it last summer as well.
In summer, I got a negative result from an expires Corona test.
In common parlance, a "cold" is simply any "minor" respiratory illness and a "flu" is any illness more serious than that, one with fever and other troubles.
This week, from a new test.
@tchrist Although flu is a specific virus, and a cold often also gives a (mild) fever.
Kind of, yes.
Remember that SARS-CoV-2 gives you a cold.
15:17
Is that the Corona virus which had been giving us colds since forever?
Influenza is always caused by one of a family of closely related viruses.
> Seasonal influenza, or flu, is a highly contagious respiratory illness
caused by influenza viruses that infect the nose, throat and lungs. The
two main types of influenza viruses—types A and B—are the viruses that
typically spread in people (human influenza viruses) and cause annual flu
outbreaks. Each year, influenza causes millions of illnesses worldwide
and, in the United States, results in thousands of hospitalizations and
deaths. Influenza is especially dangerous for people 65 years and older,
@Cerberus Not "the" coronavirus but several have been yes.
> Rhinovirus is the most common virus that causes a cold. Other viruses that can cause colds are the coronavirus (common cold version), enteroviruses, parainfluenza, HMPV, and adenovirus. These viruses cause similar symptoms, including a runny nose, congestion, cough, or sore throat.
@tchrist The one which had long been known to give us colds.
@Cerberus I believe there are three or four of those, not just one.
Not the more dangerous one from 2019.
@tchrist No doubt.
Meanwhile, I'm getting tired of this. I was just recovering from a cold, when I got this.
@Cerberus I don't see why they'd be so different
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> Although the common cold is usually caused by rhinoviruses,[94] in about
15% of cases the cause is a coronavirus.[95] The human coronaviruses
HCoV-OC43, HCoV-HKU1, HCoV-229E, and HCoV-NL63 continually circulate
in the human population in adults and children worldwide and produce
the generally mild symptoms of the common cold.[88] The four mild
coronaviruses have a seasonal incidence occurring in the winter months
in temperate climates.[96][97] There is no preponderance in any season
in tropical climates.[98]
@Mitch Because the language is so very different?
@Cerberus Yes, this is more serious than nearly any cold should ever be. But any novel virus is far harsher in immunologically "naïve" patients than in those who've encountered it or its close cousins previously.
Yeah.
But can you get this twice within six months?
So there are four common coronaviruses that have caused "colds" in people for untold years. None of these is SARS-CoV-2 or its kin.
I read somewhere that exposure to very cold air can make you more vulnerable to respiratory viruses.
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@Cerberus Yes, for a variety or reasons. You can easily develop the same symptoms six months later. That doesn't mean it's from the same virus by any means. It might be, though.
@Cerberus Not exactly.
@tchrist Wouldn't that be unlikely?
@Cerberus they have the language phenomenon of metaphors and the cultural complexity to have semantic mistakes become common enough to be noticeable by people who care about language (like on Chinese Language)
@Cerberus It should not be as intense, no. But these mutate too quickly for lasting protection.
@tchrist The thing is, I have never seen this stated in government publications, about cold air causing vulnerability.
@Robusto That's an excellent angle. When I'm searching for that journal article, I'll make sure to note any reference to Couperin there and let you know.
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@tchrist So I suspect it must be a different virus or a very different strain.
@Mitch But they don't have the word "literally".
Sure they do
@Cerberus Cold air in and of itself absolutely does not. What can do so it prolonged exposure to cold air without adequate protection lowering your general immune response. That is the only vulnerability.
@Cerberus I do, too. Think of how many people you know who've contracted COVID-19 twice in some twelve-month period.
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Probably some others
Also their term for 'literally' is similar etymologically, it's literally 'character-like'
15:31
> But again, if you become overly cold and suffer from hypothermia, you can weaken your immune system, increasing your chances of getting sick,” Fecher says.
@tchrist How does it lower your immune response?
Because your body uses a high body temperature to keep out pathogens.
What I heard was that the cold air dries out your mucous membranes. Those need to be very moist in order to properly combat intruders.
That's something else again.
@tchrist Right, but that is not influenza.
15:32
I'm about to go do an hourlong hike at 17F. I will not be cold, nor catch one.
But will you breathe in cold air?
Directly? No. Filtered? Yes.
I will have a full balaclava protecting me, providing a layer of pre-warmed air to partake of, and I will only breathe through my nose anyway.
Ah, that helps.
We're not talking about a brief 5 or 10 minute exposure. That won't ever matter.
No, but we were out for two hours in -1 with wind.
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But I'll likely be out for 75 to 90 minutes, so I will want bare-skin protection.
The person I was with had very mild cold symptoms that day and those following.
@Cerberus That sounds borderline, but it is certainly possible in incur hyperthermia especially if the winds are biting and there is moisture.
We were cold, but it was mainly hurting fingers and toes.
Heat loss is greater when the wind moves the molecules away from your heated envelope faster. And moisture is a great heat conductor.
Oh that's just not good.
But we walked at a low speed, stopping all the time, so we didn't get warm from exercise.
15:37
Okay that's unpleasant.
I will return so drenched with sweat that I'll have to immediately strip down to skin.
There was some wind, the 'feels like' temperature was -5.
I also wear insulated winter hiking boots.
@tchrist That's very different!
Were you wearing mittens or merely gloves?
Gloves.
We're city boys, we don't have any special clothes.
15:39
Um.
Town and country the same weather suffer.
Yeah.
But we'd normally not be outside for so long in bad weather.
That's a temperature and conditions at which you will need either wind-proof gloves, or mittens, or auxiliary heating sources for your hands. You should be keeping your ands in your pockets otherwise.
It sneaks up on you. I've made that mistake many, many times, even recently.
Yeah.
Gloves plus thin liners would likely be enough on their own in those conditions.
So my hands were cold.
15:41
Hate that.
But I still wonder about getting so sick immediately after.
Likely from someone who had very mild symptoms himself.
@tchrist I've found that glove liners are not always helpful. They actually make my fingers colder on rides.
Doesn't mean you have Raynaud's syndrome just because your hands get cold in the cold. But you aren't moving around enough is the problem.
@Robusto So I've noticed!!
Some times it's too cold for gloves and you have to wear mittens.
Mostly I like to wear my lighter gloves as mitten liners when it's getting into the current conditions, like ±15F.
@Robusto You'll have learned that living in Chicago. People from non-northern climes never learn that lesson.
15:44
No gloves on those guys.
I hope this Dacian helm of 2000 years ago won't be melted down.
The photo is from the press conference about the theft, in which explosives were used to breach the museum last night.
@tchrist I try not to ride at that temperature. Not because it's too cold, but because if I have to bundle up that much I'll surely start sweating and then I'm screwed.
@Robusto It's an issue.
I do "walk" (hike) at this temperature, but because I will have to wear protection from the driving snow, it won't be protection that's as "breathable" as otherwise. This is why I'll have to strip down to my skin the moment I return.
Yeah, protection against rain is the worst...
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@tchrist Yeah, it's easy to "unlayer" if walking/hiking, but cycling makes that much more difficult.
@Cerberus Do you own anything thicker than the the standard thin, indoor slacks/trousers/pants for your legs during subfreezing excursions? So like "long underwear" or "tights", or fleece, or wind pants or rain pants or snow pants? These all have their own places.
@Robusto Yes, there's a lot of opening and closing of things, of adding or removed layers or portions of same, throughout.
@Robusto Couperin reminds me of being assigned Offertoire sur les grands jeux from his Messe pour les Paroisses (see composition context) as a means to teach me how to play French baroque organ style ornaments, rhythms, and appropriate registration. The recording I chose above is the closest rendition of how I was instructed to play. It was fun.
@tchrist Nope.
Oh my.
You normally don't need that here.
15:51
So, you should not go out in this for more than ten minutes or so or you will become too cold.
@GratefulDisciple If you listen to that movement by a few virtuosi you'll see that the figure in question is performed more like a grupetto. So much so that I'm surprised Ravel didn't write it as such.
I will certainly always wear from two up to as many as four layers for bottoms in winter weather.
@Cerberus Again, the best recording I find was performed in one of Netherlands' organs: Basiliek Onze Lieve Vrouw Tenhemelopneming "Sterre der Zee" Maastricht.
Oh, my body won't feel cold if I cycle somewhere, let's say 15 minutes.
I can't imagine living in a place where it's never cold enough to need longjohns.
@Cerberus Yes, that's right.
15:53
It is face and fingers which get cold only.
That's ok.
You need a face mask, and you need better gloves.
I don't mean an N95.
Ask Rob for suggestions for biking.
Well, it's bearable.
NOT A FRICKING SCARF! That's a fashion accessory, and useless in your context of biking.
And better gloves would probably be expensive?
A scarf helps a lot!
It's a joke.
15:55
Ah.
Better gloves doesn't mean shelling out three figures for them.
I find that a neck gaiter works well for cycling. I don't use a mask because that just makes the eye protection fog up, and one thing you do need absolutely when cycling is vision.
Yes, so this is getting to be weather where I need eye protection.
That's cold!
@tchrist What makes gloves better?
I can get by with an exposed narrow slit for a while in this, but I'd prefer real protection.
15:56
@Robusto Yes, he could've provided better instruction in the form of a few examples of written-out rendition of the grace notes in a footnote, like how many modern edited (not urtext) editions of Bach's keyboard works provide, to spare a pianist from having to do research.
@Cerberus Wind protection, and fuzzy insides that act like a liner by allowing an air gap that gets to heat up.
I don't think bikers wear the fuzzier-on-the-inside ones though.
@GratefulDisciple Yes, especially in the context of his times.
You have to get the biting wind off of any close contact.
Thin skin-tight gloves won't protect you from that, or at least, not so well as alternatives.
@Robusto I have good hopes to find that journal article, but it's somewhat low priority for me (not looking forward to play that piece).
@tchrist The thing about the neck gaiter is you can pull it up so that it covers chin and ears, and that's fine in all but the severe sub-freezing temps. That thin layer makes a great deal of difference.
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@GratefulDisciple That is nice.
@Cerberus Gloves like these are likely good enough for your conditions. You may have to put your hands in your pockets if the wind is too fierce after a while though.
@GratefulDisciple A pianist roommate I had learned it for recital and he said it was the hardest thing he ever dead, despite how simple it sounds.
@tchrist Well, mine are fuzzy on the inside.
And made of leather on the outside.
@Cerberus That helps!

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