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Daily Sequence Octordle #1087
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@jlliagre Spoiler
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Connections
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This has been the easiest I have seen thus far.
Perhaps because I had blue almost exactly in my notes for games to make...
Haha.
I'm working on another one, believe it or not.
Addict!
Perhaps I shall make one more, too, then.
It's kind of captivating.
01:09
Innit, though.
Ohh...
OK I got blue and purple.
I Googled one item for purple to make sure it was something, because I didn't know it but suspected it must belong to purple.
I don't see green or yellow!
Maybe I need a pause.
Take your time.
Are they things I would know?
Yes.
01:38
OK.
02:01
Farrago
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Word of the morn: brake judder - 'Brake judder' is the vibration felt through the steering wheel and suspension system when the brakes are applied at certain speeds and pressures.
OK I didn't know several from yellow and one from green.
Funny colour distribution.
I did suspect green, but didn't know one and was unsure about another.
@Cerberus Hmm, OK. Maybe I made it too hard.
It is funny how purple was not so hard!
It is sooo hard to predict how hard a puzzle will be for one person, let alone different people...
@Robusto I didn't know SPOILER, though I would probably have guessed what it was in context.
We also have SPOILER in Dutch, but I was in doubt about the English; I suspected Dutch was influencing my intuition so I discarded it.
@Cerberus Yeah, nobody has exactly the same penetration of knowledge.
02:06
Yeah, nor the same intuitions.
About yellow: SPOILER
But thanks for the game!
@Cerberus SPOILER
Ahh I see.
@Cerberus You are quite welcome.
@Cerberus That's why I thought you might get it. ^_^
Haha.
Sorry.
#8 - If Music Be The Food Of Love, Play On
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Now that one was not good.
When there are five genuine qualifiers for a category, then it becomes a guessing game.
02:15
What if you do the other three categories first?
But, yeah, if they qualify really well, it can be less fun.
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Puzzle Crew #3
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Wow. this one was weird.
Fun weird or disappointing weird?
@Cerberus The latter.
I had no knowledge of the blue category at all.
That sucks, huh.
What was the category?
02:39
@Cerberus I played in that one.
It could be some group's private joke.
@Cerberus Yeah.
@Robusto Was it fun?
Of course!
It is interesting how we have a cantata about coffee addiction from the 18th century but not one about tobacco addiction.
The latter is infinitely more addictive.
02:43
Indeed. I'm pretty much addicted to coffee, and I could never be addicted to tobacco.
I loathe the stuff.
Lucky you.
 
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@Cerberus You loathe it not?
@tchrist Kind of.
I drink it not.
It smells kind of nice, just like unburned tobacco.
I do loathe it in food.
And so too in drink, probably.
04:09
@Cerberus I appear to have misread you: I had understood you to be referring to Nicotiana. That was the source of my question.
@tchrist Ahh.
No, it was I who misread.
I loathe tobacco, too.
I would never use it.
But many are unlucky enough to become its prey.
04:38
Word of the day: bodge
@Cerberus Uh-oh, this one looks hard.
@Robusto I don't think so, if you have knowledge of the subject matter!
Once you see one category, you should see more.
The title of the puzzle helps.
But, yeah, there can be some overlap, so be careful before submitting.
04:54
Ah, I think I have the key ...
Just a matter of sorting now.
Where?
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This one would be good for Tom (@tchrist)
And so to bed.
@Cerberus Good game, BTW.
@Robusto Well done!
So after some thought, it was fairly easy?
Any things I should change?
I won't say it was easy, but it wasn't impossible. At first glance I couldn't make heads or tails, but then I started to remember certain things, and then I got the Yellow and it all fell together after that.
I should have known better than to flush my wooden shoes down the toilet. Now it’s clogged.
@Robusto Ah, OK.
You probably did think of the right SPOILER soon, didn't you?
Yup.
05:06
But then perhaps it was not so easy to get that each category was a specific SPOILER?
As I say, once I got the yellow (with a little bit of luck) I got onto the right track.
Anyway, definitely bed now.
Sleep tight!
05:09
@CowperKettle Yup, that was the reference.
A great song. I wonder who's the author of the lyrics.
@Robusto OK, cool, sleep well!
Alan Jay Lerner (August 31, 1918 – June 14, 1986) was an American lyricist and librettist. In collaboration with Frederick Loewe, and later Burton Lane, he created some of the world's most popular and enduring works of musical theatre both for the stage and on film. Lerner won three Tony Awards and three Academy Awards, among other honors. == Early life and education == Lerner was born in New York City to a Jewish family. He was the son of Edith (née Adelson) and Joseph Jay Lerner, whose brother, Samuel Alexander Lerner, was founder and owner of the Lerner Stores, a chain of dress shops. One of...
> For nearly twenty years, Lerner was addicted to amphetamines; during the 1960s he was a patient of Max Jacobson, known as "Dr. Feelgood", who administered injections of "vitamins with enzymes" that were in fact laced with amphetamines.
> By the late 1960s, Jacobson's behavior became increasingly erratic, as his own amphetamine usage had increased. He began working 24-hour days, and was seeing up to thirty patients per day. In 1969, one of Jacobson's clients, former presidential photographer Mark Shaw, died at the age of 47. An autopsy showed that Shaw had died of "acute and chronic intravenous amphetamine poisoning."
Medicine is such medicine.
> Black Cats, an Iranian band which sang this song in Iranian.
Oh. I should find it.
 
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@CowperKettle A kind contributor excised that paragraph (and citation #62) from his Wikipedia page with the reason "Rabid fox attack doesn’t belong in this article" (see the edit diff). The current "Personal Life" section.
 
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Strands #319
“Bar association”
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> AI video shows Elon Musk, Donald Trump, Lionel Messi and more at Mahakumbh
Kumbh Mela () is an important Hindu pilgrimage, celebrated approximately every 3, 6, 12 and 144 years, for each revolution of Brihaspati, attracting the largest recorded public gatherings of Hindus and the largest human gathering on Earth. Kumbh is held at four riverside pilgrimage sites, namely: Prayagraj (Ganges-Yamuna-Sarasvati rivers confluence), Haridwar (Ganges), Nashik (Godavari), and Ujjain (Shipra). In 2022, after a 700 year break, Bansberia (Hooghly), hosted the pilgrimage again. The festival is marked by a ritual dip in the waters, but it is also a celebration of community commerce...
Video is funny lol
14:32
#travle #764 +1
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https://travle.earth
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Word of the eve: dogleg
> (also attributively) Something (such as a canyon or road) with a sharp bend or turn in it.
(architecture) A configuration of stairs where a flight ascends to a half-landing before turning 180 degrees and continuing upwards.
(golf, disc golf) A sharp bend in the fairway before reaching a hole.
A dog-leg is a configuration of stairs between two floors of a building, often a domestic building, in which a flight of stairs ascends to a quarter-landing before turning at a right angle and continuing upwards. The flights do not have to be equal, and frequently are not. Structurally, the flights of a dog-leg stair are usually supported by the quarter-landing, which spans the adjoining flank walls. From the design point of view, the main advantages of a dog-leg stair are: To allow an arrangement that occupies a shorter, though wider, floor area than a straight flight, and so is more compact...
@CowperKettle Most often used for golf.
@Robusto Is golf something accessible to mere mortals in the West, or only to the rich? I never saw a golf course here in Russia.
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@CowperKettle It's pretty popular. Mostly played by those who are better off, but blue-collar people play it a lot too.
It's the difference between country club golf and public course golf.
Hell, I even played it some.
Riding in the snow now? I hope you have studded tires.
Wordle 1,307 4/6

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Connections
Puzzle #585
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Easy-peasy
Especially when compared with @Cerberus's models. ;-)
Strands #319
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Daily Octordle #1088
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Daily Sequence Octordle #1088
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Daily Extreme Octordle #1088
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Wordle 1,307 3/6

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@Robusto Yes, but today it was hard, there has been a snowfall that has just barely ended now
I chose the wrong side of the street, the wrong sidewalk where nobody was walking because it ends in a dead-end, and there was a longish stretch of it entirely consisting of ice covered with freshly fallen snow.
The bicycle totally swerved on the ice, and I fell on my left side, and hit my head on the wall of the nearby building. Thankfully I was wearing a helmet for mountain skiers and board riders, with a thick layer of foam inside to cushion the blows.
My usual bicycle helmet would have served quite poorly in this situation.
Thus a helmet bought in 2013 has saved me from a trip to hospital, probably.
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@Robusto I found it easy too, did it yesterday but apparently didn't post it.
Connections
Puzzle #585
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Only purple I just didn't know all the things.
And, even if I had known, I probably wouldn't have thought of the category.
I thought my recent puzzles were not so hard?
The last one was hard until the theme emerged.
OK, that is good to know.
I guess some of the terms quickly trigger the correct setting; but then what kinds of things are the categories within that setting?
Did the title "Where?" help at all?
Maybe that is very vague, could indicate the general setting.
@Cerberus It was vague, or shall we say broad, but again, once the theme emerged it was clear what it referenced.
I understand.
But I think it might be impossible for people who were not familiar with that domain.
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Maybe I could change the title into "Places".
Or something that referenced fantasy in some sense.
@Robusto Hmm I thought the puzzle would be impossible for those unfamiliar with the setting?
@Cerberus Yes, that's what I meant but didn't type. Fixed now.
Right.
Yes, it is for a select audience.
I suppose @MetaEd would be in that audience, though he may get angry when he sees this puzzle:
I tried a Connections+ puzzle yesterday that someone made for their mother, and it turned out one of the categories comprised the mom's pets' names. Sheesh.
16:10
@Robusto Yeahhh you can't trust the puzzles there.
Though maybe you can trust the most popular ones?
Maybe. It's a mixed bag.
AFK for a bit.
I only did a handful there.
Adios.
16:45
youtube.com/shorts/c10rZ-1ncKk He even LOAFED up at one point while watching it. So, he was loving it. (What's he saying there?) And the other word he's using a bit later in the video, is it "swatted at it"?
@MichaelRybkin I think that is a recent/colloquial expression meaning that the cats sits in a position where his body resembles a loaf of bread.
Yes, I hear swat later.
@Cerberus I concur.
Yay.
17:05
@Vikas so um, if it's celebrated every three years surely it's also celebrated every six years and so on?
@M.A.R. Those numbers are confusing, indeed.
Strands #319
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Connections
Puzzle #585
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@MetaEd Maybe!
Try and see.
Where?
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@MetaEd Quick!
Was it easy for you?
18:06
@Robusto That conversation almost 13 years ago between you and @Cerberus is quite interesting and motivated me to read Russell's history. You said:
May 3, 2012 at 1:21, by Robusto
I love how Russell puts Aquinas in his place. He compares his reasoning to that of lawyers: arguing a case from a pre-ordained conclusion. He calls it "special pleading."
This year I plan to read Brad Gregory's book "The Unintended Reformation: How a Religious Revolution Secularized Society" as a counterpoint to Russell. There is a very insightful short review on the book Conscience Unbound that contains these 2 keywords "special pleading" and "immanence".
The book blamed the Reformation for the prevalence of the academia's charge of "special pleading" to Christianity. "immanence" is one key concepts of Aquinas's synthesis destroyed by the Reformation. In other words, the book is a post-mortem analysis of secularization and argues that the Reformation is still going on today in its destructive path.
Books are a mind prison.
@Mitch They can also wake you up from the lull of following the spirit of the age by showing you an alternate reality, thus leading you to break free from prison.
Words are the poison of other people's thoughts.
Mar 24, 2024 at 2:37, by alphabet
books r dum
Women, cover your mouth. Men, cover your ears.
To be clear, I am often annoyed by other people when they use fiction as a source of an example.
18:19
@Mitch Me too. I would rather hear their personal experience.
Like when Dumbledore told Harry the story about his mother saving his life at her own expense, you never hear about the dad. Where was he? Did he open the door for Voldemort? Dumbledore is leaving a lot out of his little story. I wouldn't trust that guy.
@GratefulDisciple Nice! Maybe I will reread it.
@Mitch That can be literally true. I personally experience it, esp. with Aristotelian conception of how intellect works, i.e. become "woody" when seeing "wood". So I'm watching out to either drive out or neutralize those poisonous words with antidote words.
@Cerberus pretty easy, but I have read the books several times
18:24
@MetaEd Oh, nice! I have to go now, opening it in a tab.
@MetaEd Right, as expected.
And of course WING was the basis of all the logic in the game.
@Cerberus In particular, I want to see which solution is better for the 21st century fracturing between science and dogmas, between reason and faith: Russel's solution or going back to 21st century update of Thomistic medieval synthesis that Brad Gregory's book says destroyed by the Reformation.
@MetaEd Hmm I feel that yours is more detailed and with more generic items, I may need to reread the book once again.
@GratefulDisciple I assume the "special pleading" charge is mainly an objection to the quinque viae? I've heard that charge, but I don't know if it's seen as deeper issue throughout his work.
@Cerberus Thank you very much.
@Robusto Thank you.
18:43
@alphabet The "special pleading" identified in that book review is certainly much broader than the objection against the 5 proofs which Edward Feser defended successfully (?) in his book dedicated to dispell deep misunderstandings of how the 5 proofs work. fideism is a correlate with "special pleading" that (sad to say) is prevalent among my church members today.
Aquinas is, of course, more or less assuming that his audience already accepts both Nicene Christianity and Aristotelean metaphysics; the question is what you can get out of his works if you're not in that category.
@alphabet That's very fair. The point of Gregory's book is how the building blocks leading to that acceptance is rational not blind faith to accept dogmas, as in modern prejudice. But that kind of rationality has been destroyed by the Reformation.
To Aquinas's credit though, he also write Summa Contra Gentiles as a preparation for his Summa Theologica. And he also wrote commentaries to Aristotle that can be valuable to non Christians too.
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Pardon my ignorance, but hasn't absolutely everything Aquinas ever said beaten to death, resurrected, and beaten again several times over?
I've heard paraphrases of his arguments so often they make me nauseous.
It does make me wonder what one interpretation could possibly be like to actually make sense
@GratefulDisciple This?
@GratefulDisciple A book is an author's way of not being interrupted.
@Mitch it's ingenious, really
> Gregory, who teaches European history at Notre Dame, looks around him in modern America and sees a lot of things he doesn't like: political polarization, mindless destruction of the environment, consumerism, a lack of respect for truth, radical subjectivism in morality, hyperpluralism of beliefs, the extrusion of religion from academic life. Putting on his historian's X-ray glasses he spots behind the surface of modern life the unsmiling faces of the Protestant Reformers gazing out at him: ...
Well that's not loaded at all
19:33
@M.A.R. He left out Christmas creep.
@Mitch and vaping
> And why are universities so intent on enabling the search for truth but so uncomfortable, indeed contemptuous, when a religious person claims to have found it?
My university is only intent on churning out pharmacists.
@M.A.R. Everywhere you go nowadays there's a new vape shop opening, with a constant stream of slack-shouldered pimply-faced wearing baggy pants with no belt and carrying their way cool 'skate' board.
@M.A.R. Another sign of decadence.
@MetaEd Yes, the book review I linked, containing a very high level overview of his thesis.
> The univocal concept, when combined with a nominalistic view of knowledge acquisition and a ban on analysis in terms of final causation, allowed them to do just that—to concentrate on the world as a mechanical system, to be investigated using empirical methods.
What they should do is at the checkout at the pharmacy, you should have a rack of candy bars for the kids, vapes for the teens, viagra for the dudes, condoms for the gals (because the dudes always forget)
19:39
So what does this mean? Positivism bad?
@Mitch nah here it's always the dudes that buy condoms.
Usually pretty shyly too
@M.A.R. To be very honest, I've never understood why logical positivism has gotten such a bad rap.
@M.A.R. Regardless whether you trust that thesis, it's gonna be a better explanation than Iran mullahs blaming capitalism :-).
It may be because of simple literalness... it says right in the name that it is logical and it is positive. People don't like that?
@M.A.R. Oh. Nice. At least they're being responsible.
Or maybe girls would just be way to embarrassed. I mean many times more than dudes.
@Mitch oh ever since we moved throat lozenges to the front window they've been selling like candy
And then the pharmacist says "I know your family"
@M.A.R. Literally.
19:42
@M.A.R. I actually treat Halls as candy, not throat lozenges.
@Mitch That's embarassing.
@Mitch A conclusion best left for the reader?
@M.A.R. Does it have the philosophy department?
@GratefulDisciple You know how lemon ro cherry lozenges don't exactly taste like lemon or cherry? Or really, they taste like bad lemon/bad cherry?
@GratefulDisciple the sanctions have been hard on all of us
It took me a while to realize that nope that's what old dried lemon/cherry juice taste like.
@Mitch I actually don't care. I'm willing to be deceived by the picture on the bag :-) I'm enjoying it for its pleasant sensation. Possibly since I do NOT hold advertisement to be accountable as truth bearer.
Oh banana too. banana flavor never tastes like good banana.
19:46
@Mitch or strawberry. Yuch
@GratefulDisciple Well, his list was pretty long so why not throw in some extras.
Or raspberry
Or blueberry
Really, all the berry flavorings taste horrible
@Mitch Of course. But he's probably mindful of the audience who wants to read book on intellectual history, not the capitalistic excesses.
@M.A.R. yeah. I always thought they were adding something extra to mak them taste bad, or that it was the best synthetic version they could manufacture out of petrochemicals and heavy metals.
@GratefulDisciple I'm just messing around. It's included in consumerism.
@M.A.R. I'm sorry to hear that. Not sure who to blame.
19:49
@GratefulDisciple I'm pretty sure we can narrow it down.
A lot.
To strictly under three countries.
@Mitch My grasp of history (other than intellectual history) is embarrassingly scanty.
@GratefulDisciple There's only so much news that fits in a daily newspaper.
@GratefulDisciple in the pharmacy faculty? No, the extraneous happy-go-lucky depts are, hmm, ethics, and pharmacoeconomics. Whatever the heck that is
Though that's me speaking like an old man because nobody in their right mind bothers with newspapers anymore.
@Mitch I hope The Atlantic is trustworthy enough to provide any historical background necessary, or other reputable magazines.
19:51
@Mitch I'm pretty sure I won't care about newspapers even when I get old
@M.A.R. No, as a department inside the university. Unless your university is a technical institute, not a full range university?
@GratefulDisciple The Atlantic, as erudite and elitist as it might seem, is just fancy opinions by respected wordsmiths.
@GratefulDisciple well it's a university of medical sciences so it limits its scope to medical sciences
It's not random thoughts written well, but sometimes it seems like argumentation for argumentations sake.
@Mitch good bedtime stories. Horribly misguided opinions about the Middle East sometimes
19:53
@M.A.R. That makes sense. My parents also graduated from such "university" that is more properly called a "technical institute".
I read it for the cartoons.
haha that's the New Yorker.
The Atlantic has no cartoons... that's why I don't read it.
Everything I say is ridiculous. Sometimes it is the case .
@Mitch is it racist to say they all sound alike
I also don't read the New Yorker.
@GratefulDisciple I suppose so
@Mitch So I still need to fact check them when they cite historical background? Don't they at least back up their assertion to an author / book we can Wiki (is that a proper verb)?
19:55
Not for a while. Too much work reading that every week. I got other things to do.
Like Connections.
@Mitch yeah it was actually Calvin and Hobbes
@M.A.R. That seems positively logical.
I'm gonna keep using that until people stare at me funny.
@Mitch I tested positive for positivism
@M.A.R. I have a hard time telling the difference.
@Mitch In his/her ivory tower. Or (if you're successful) as a bachelor / bachelorette working as Oxford don? Sometimes I imagine I actually like that line of work if I start over.
19:57
It's not racist if it is against the group in power.
because the group in power can easily brush it off like a gnat.
@M.A.R. That's a good one. I think need to be tested after reading Russell's History.
@GratefulDisciple I'm pretty sure that the Atlantic has a thorough fact-checking department. (The New Yorker is famous for having one).
@Mitch Spare me the effort then. I would think big name newspapers like NYT or WSJ also have them to spare them the embarrassment of blatant distortion.
But of course 'facts' are only expressed in the relations and context of the culture they were constructed in.
@Mitch Of course. As a consumer, I just want verifiability. I'm very allergic to being fed unfalsifiable stuff, unless I have personally screen them over many times over many years.
Which you may find ironic that I still identify as a Christian :-)
20:02
So the New Yorker and Atlantic (and Harper's Bazaar... and Vanity Fair and probably some other magazines) probably would correct a statement like "When the US won WWII..." to "When the US won WWII (with some help from Canada)..."
@Mitch Respectable effort.
@GratefulDisciple Unfortunately they never give references of footnotes.
@Mitch Yeah... you got to follow up through the names they throw in in the article.
@GratefulDisciple The big criticism I take from that review is that Gregory is actually 180 degrees wrong about God. His concept of God is not that of scripture, and the scripture concept of God is exactly the one challenged by rationality. That is, he didn't recognize a strawman, he built one.
@M.A.R. I'm sorry. Next time though, check next to the cough drops.
@M.A.R. but yeah, sometimes scary bedtime stories, but yeah. Don't read the fiction or poetry...you think it's about a nice visit to the zoo but it always ends up with finding out one of your parents is having an affair.
(the scary part is that it's the parent who's reading to you)
@GratefulDisciple As they say facts all come with a point of view. And also wikipedia is editable.
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@MetaEd Isn't there an internal debate (within Christianity) of the Bible's concept of God? Those defending the traditional divine simplicity (Augustine, Boethius, Aquinas) does it by developing a philosophy of the Bible, i.e. how revelation in narrative form gives us further knowledge of God that goes deeper than what we can know by reason, thus making the two ways harmonious.
Anyway, time to go back to work. Hope you all have a great rest of the day.
@GratefulDisciple there have been, are, and always will be sectarian differences about the nature of God, that's the nature of sectarianism ;)
 
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@GratefulDisciple Yes. If I recall correctly, my beef was with his argument of the Uncaused Cause, where he declares that everything that happens is caused by something else, therefore there had to be something that started the cycle of causation, a/k/a the Uncaused Cause. Put more simply, a -> !a, which refutes the premise in the conclusion.
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@MetaEd OK I had to Google because I didn't remember enough about yellow to get it. I did remember three terms so I was sure what yellow was about SPOILER. Now the others.
OK I got green by brute force, I did not remember much about that, so would never have got it. SPOILER
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Then purple by brute force: of course I know about two terms, but the other two I couldn't connect SPOILER.
Blue I also wouldn't remember any details of. I must admit SPOILER.
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@MetaEd Aw thanks.
@Robusto The IEP has a good summary of his argument--see the section starting with "This argument might be formulated as follows," which restates it in purely deductive terms.
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@Robusto I need to see how Russell explains it and see whether he has something substantive there, whether he misunderstood critical assumption not part of the argument, or whether he misunderstood what Aquinas meant (such as conflating the other causes to the efficient cause, the only one left in modernity). I once it was explained to me that the Uncaused cause is a categorically different cause then the chain of causes we see in nature. Not sure whether it is a "special pleading" or not.
@alphabet all those arguments seem to work equally well for the wolf spirit-guide of Genghis Khan.
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I hated this one.
I have no idea about purple.
And with yellow there was another item that fit so it was annoying.
@MetaEd It seems there are 2 kinds of differences here; one about different interpretations regarding verses for doctrines that make for sectarian differences;
the other is much more fundamental: whether God of the Bible (describes narratively through literary means, thus andromorphically, and acts in historical time) leaves room for humans to cognize the same God through another means (through unaided reason + through reason strengthened by grace) which traditionally conceived God as transcendent, outside time, Eternal Now, but also immanently present in each soul.
If I understand Gregory correctly, the damage is sectarianism that is only concerned with the first kind of differences but neglects the common ground that says "yes" to the second kind of difference, the heritage of Christianity for more than 1,000 years before the Reformation. Saying "yes" enables one to truly makes contact with God as the absolute source of Truth and Love, as well as getting to know Him through historical personage described in the Bible as two sides of the same coin.
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@GratefulDisciple I'm no theist, but I don't think Aquinas is so foolish as to adopt an obviously inconsistent view. The IEP article I linked gives a more coherent reconstruction.
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Of course "cause" here is a technical Aristotelian term, where it's a relation between objects, not events. I'm not sure if it would even make sense to ask what the efficient cause of God is.
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(Well, generally a relation between objects. It's complicated.)

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