English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

Cerberus

00:00

Then you will know how to create simple Javascript to hide or remove all articles you don't like.

tchrist

I just have never used them for things outside tiny bits for $job that other people have had me use.

Cerberus

var articles = document.querySelectorAll('css article selector');

articles.forEach((article)=>{

tchrist

You have to do Fixed Font for multiline, that's all.

Cerberus

if (article.textContent.match(/Trump/)) {article.remove();}

tchrist

In the send upload fixed font bit.

Cerberus

00:04

});

tchrist

Javascript raises my syntactic hackles in a million ways. It's a stupid mess.

CowperKettle

We found that the brain aligns its representational geometry to match the statistical structure of the sensory inputs, by clustering temporally contiguous and predictable stimuli

tchrist

Like how you MUST NOT have a trailing comma at the end of list before the parenthesis but you MUST have a trailing semicolon at the end of a block before the brace. It's ridiculously inconsistent and error prone.

CowperKettle

@Lambie "Yes, there is death in this business of whaling—a speechlessly quick chaotic bundling of a man into Eternity"

Cerberus

@tchrist The semicolon is actually not compulsory—only where its omission would be ambiguous.

tchrist

00:11

What are there parens around (article)?

var articles = document.querySelectorAll('css article selector');
articles.forEach(
    (article) => {
        if (article.textContent.match(/Trump/)) {
            article.remove();
        }
    }
);

Examples exist for both flavors.

theArray.forEach(element => {
    // ...use `element`...
});

const a = ["a", "b", "c"];
a.forEach((element) => {
    console.log(element);
});

Cerberus

@tchrist The brackets are not entirely compulsory when the expression within them is of a certain kind, I believe. But it is good practice to always use them, so says my linter.

So I am a good dog.

But, yeah, with a simple variable inside, you don't need to use them.

tchrist

So mutt it be.

Cerberus

Well.

Is that how you see me?

tchrist

I'm very bad at ancient inflexions.

Cerberus

You seem to be interested in them, though.

First deus, now brackets.

tchrist

00:16

It's a pun on the old present tense for must.

So mote it be

"So mote it be" is a ritual phrase used by Freemasons, in Rosicrucianism, and more recently by Neopagans, meaning "so may it be", "so it is required", or "so must it be", and may be said after the person giving the prayer says 'Amen'. The phrase appears in the Halliwell or Regius Manuscript, the earliest known document relating to a society of Masons in England, dating from the first half of the 15th century. "Amen! amen! so mot hyt be! Say we so all per charyté". The phrase has been taken up by neopagans and they use it in a similar way in their ceremonies and rituals. == References ==

> From Middle English moten, from Old English mōtan (“to be allowed, be able to, have the opportunity to, be compelled to, may, must”), from Proto-Germanic *mōtaną (“to be able to, have to, be delegated”), from Proto-Indo-European *med- (“to acquire, possess, be in charge of”). Cognate with Dutch moeten (“to have to, must”), German müssen (“to have to, must”), Ancient Greek μέδω (médō, “to prevail, dominate, rule over”). Related to empty.

Verb
mote (third-person singular simple present mote, no present participle, simple past and past participle must)

Cerberus

@tchrist O, I do seem to recall seeing forms of divus substituted for forms of deus.

@tchrist Dutch moet.

Past moest.

tchrist

aye

You have a non-trivial cameo appearance in Creatures of Light and Darkness.

Cerberus

And in Flanders moet niet means need not rather than must not.

@tchrist Frightening, I hope?

tchrist

@Cerberus There are some strange must needs / needs must uses.

@Cerberus On verra.

Cerberus

Here in the north, we say hoeft niet for need not. Must not is moet niet.

Robusto

00:21

@Cerberus I like that that particular door swings both ways.

Cerberus

Oh you like swinging both ways, I see.

That may be extra complicated to ski through if it is revolving..

tchrist

@Robusto Getting kicked in the face by people using the "wrong" one when you've worked so hard to learn the "right" one is incredibly aggravating. Basically, all the things that the usage guides decry as foolish blunders.

Robusto

@tchrist Indeed.

Cerberus

@tchrist Nicht ärgern, nur wundern.

CowperKettle

A Party of Prigs and Pontificators Suffers a Humiliating Defeat - NY Times

tchrist

00:24

@CowperKettle We've been through that one here. The guy's a total prick. The topic has been covered less abusively by other columnists.

CowperKettle

Ah.

jlliagre

@Cerberus Why hiding the truth? The government also have cameras inside the houses of everyone who doesn't believe in conspiracy theories just in case they change their mind.

tchrist

@CowperKettle Try reading Maureen Dowd instead. ... (searches)

@CowperKettle nytimes.com/2024/11/09/opinion/democrats-identity-politics.html

> The party embraced a worldview of hyper-political correctness, condescension and cancellation, and it supported diversity statements for job applicants and faculty lounge terminology like “Latinx,” and “BIPOC” (Black, Indigenous, People of Color).

This alienated half the country, or more. And the chaos and antisemitism at many college campuses certainly didn’t help.

Cerberus

@jlliagre Oh, I don't think so, that would sound like a conspiracy.

tchrist

> Representative Seth Moulton, a Massachusetts Democrat, said the party needs rebranding. “Democrats spend way too much time trying not to offend anyone,” he said. “I have two little girls. I don’t want them getting run over on a playing field by a male or formerly male athlete, but as a Democrat I’m supposed to be afraid to say that.”

Robusto

00:28

@Cerberus Vertraue, aber mische die Karten.

tchrist

> Addressing Latinos as “Latinx” to be politically correct “makes them think that we don’t even live on the same planet as they do,” she said.

Cerberus

@Robusto Hmm somehow I suspect it wasn't Goethe who said that!

@tchrist Still a non-issue for the average American.

tchrist

@Cerberus Which thing?

Cerberus

Things about transsexuals in sports.

tchrist

Unfortunately in urban areas, it has become a flashpoint.

Cerberus

00:32

The national government shouldn't be debating that, nor should newspapers write articles about it.

Just let people solve minor issues themselves.

It only inflames and annoys to make it big news.

tchrist

The main problem is the loss of support for, and thus by, regular people, regular workers: the so-called working class. It has become too much about a tiny academic world.

Robusto

@Cerberus Of course not. It was Schiller, in Die Leiden des Jungen Werthers. ;-)

tchrist

And there's no way that you can get the working class to start worrying about the things a tiny, tiny set of supereducated academics are talking about.

Cerberus

@tchrist Not really academic. These issues are not about science but about what are big issues in a tiny Internet world, a small numbers of people who are online all day (present company excepted).

jlliagre

@Cerberus But without spying everyone, how would they know who believes in CT and who doesn't?

Cerberus

00:36

@Robusto Now I am slightly confused! About everything.

tchrist

@Cerberus Yes, social media amplification is the root of many evils. The Fox echo chamber, too.

Cerberus

@jlliagre Don't you believe the government is all powerful?

jlliagre

@Cerberus Like Deus?

Cerberus

@tchrist So don't play into it, I say unto political parties and newspapers: don't give lots of time and space to such minor and polarising issues, instead of the big issues.

@jlliagre Yes, deus!

tchrist

Remember that all the reigning demigods of the party are themselves at least millionaires.

Cerberus

00:37

Yes.

tchrist

This itself is part of the problem.

Cerberus

It is.

How about most journalists in national media?

Robusto

@Cerberus And why wouldn't you be? This is, as you know, an alternative universe. Not the real one!

Cerberus

Rutger Bregman confronted someone from Fox News about being rich himself, when discussing something about inequality.

Robusto

Twilight Zone intro.

►

tchrist

00:38

Tim Walz was considered a weirdo for NOT having this immense investment portfolio to declare for conflict of interest purposes.

Cerberus

@Robusto Oh. How do I find the real one?

Robusto

@Cerberus I don't know. I lost the map. Sorry.

Cerberus

@tchrist Horrible.

I mean, every country has some richmen in politics. But...

@Robusto Did your cat eat it?

Robusto

@Cerberus Always a possibility.

jlliagre

@tchrist Okay, Deus needs no cameras.

tchrist

00:41

Average net worth of US congresscritters is simply insane.

So are the individual ones.

And they wonder why we have an oligarch problem.

Cerberus

Tucker Carlson Blows Up at Rutger Bregman in Unaired Fox News Interview | NowThis

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@tchrist Quite.

@Cerberus Bregman tells Carlson about tax avoidance that he is part of the problem.

tchrist

Billions pour into each electoral cycle. It is unfixable and getting worse.

BILLIONS

Cerberus

How many?

Ten last time.

tchrist

16 this time.

usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2024-11-01/…

Cerberus

In 2016 there was no need to increase the amount since Clinton would win anyway.

@tchrist Are we allowed to call this growth exponential?

And: to what extent does the spending help one win?

tchrist

00:48

It's complicated.

But it is not guaranteed.

She spent more than he did, for example.

Cerberus

I wonder whether anyone knows what the effect is.

tchrist

You pay to saturate the media.

This has no effect on hermits like me, but for 99.99% of the electorate, it is inescapable. They watch commercial TV, listen to commercial radio, etc etc.

Of course there are other things than ad money. Door knockers.

Having a ground operation.

Cerberus

tchrist

But the infinite dark money that's been allowed since the 2013 Citizens United "decision" by the evil Supreme Court has ruined everything even worse.

Cerberus

is the dark money not included in these figures?

tchrist

00:51

Trump isn't going to sign the ethics stuff for the transition. That way he can accept infinite dark money for it.

Unclear.

Cerberus

Accept money for a transition, what is that?

tchrist

nytimes.com/2024/11/09/us/politics/…

Cerberus

Is he going to be a woman with very expensive surgery?

tchrist

> By refusing to sign that agreement, Mr. Trump effectively faces no limit on contributions and does not need to name his donors publicly. Money raised by the transition is not regulated by any other government agency.

We tried to make laws that would stop his bullshit from happening again. We failed: he's ignoring them.

He won't sign something about his conflicts of interest, so he and his get no money nor access to anything until he's sworn in. That's dangerous to the country.

> Until the Trump transition signs that document, the Biden administration is legally barred from providing it with the security clearances needed to share classified intelligence and national defense briefings, Mr. Stier said. It also cannot give transition employees physical access to the 438 different federal agencies that they will soon control, and it cannot allow them to review their files.

Robusto

@tchrist Everything about him is dangerous to the country. If there's a line, he will cross it.

Cerberus

00:56

Read the article.

tchrist

okay

Cerberus

Maybe it is better not to read such things, for one's sanity?

tchrist

@Robusto I honestly cannot believe he's still alive given his fast-food diet.

@Cerberus This is why I said what I said about axing media access.

Cerberus

@tchrist Trump eats fast food?

Robusto

@tchrist As the saying goes, "You are what you eat."

Cerberus

00:57

@tchrist Yes.

tchrist

@Cerberus Next to nothing but.

Cerberus

Really, write a script.

It works for me. I censor a lot more than sport.

Also political correctness, scandals, kidnapped children, the like.

tchrist

Sanity preserving.

Cerberus

It helps.

It is also like ad-blocking.

Conrado

Did you hear about the guy at the doctor?
When the medico was examining him, he said: "Man, that's a big nose you have. But I guess you didn't pick it, did you?"
"Well," he replied, "I have..."

tchrist

01:01

@CowperKettle Maybe read Kathleen Parker about the other Big Lie.

I remember when principled Republicans deserted their party because of Trump. But common-man Democrats in "flyover country" (read: anything but the coasts) have nowhere else to turn to when our political masters simply no longer serve our interests. This is especially painful in nonmetropolitan/unacademic areas. In both cases it's like the parties have left the people, not the other way around. A union man is a union man for life.

Both parties are now the parties of the rich.

Cerberus

Proportional representation and a parliamentary system would help here.

France is also vulnerable because it has a presidential system and a mild winner-take-all system.

tchrist

There used to be coalitions WITHIN each of the major parties, sometimes even across them. So your little parties fit under the big tent. Then the Republicans started demanding unwavering lockstep agreement, kicking out all but the most reactionary voices. The Democrats have also become less heterogeneous with their purity standards, but being not quite so bad doesn't make it good.

Cerberus

Yeah that would seem less stable.

The people can't actively vote for those coalitions.

alphabet

It's probably best if those Times columnists don't spend too long insulting progressive activists; they may have harmed Kamala's election campaign, but at present I guarantee you that they'll be the only ones leading any substantive "resistance" to awful Trump policies.

tchrist

01:17

You vote for someone who shares your positions and not for someone who doesn't.

Once party discipline demands near-complete party-line votes on everything, this fails.

It's crazy that most votes today are very nearly straight up party-line votes. It never was that way here. Something has broken.

Cerberus

@alphabet What kind of resistance?

@tchrist Yes, party discipline is also a problem. Not only in a bipartisan parliament. But there it is also connected to polarisation.

think_meaning_builds

In my opinion, the pandemic broke the people's spirit.

tchrist

@Cerberus Extremists are everywhere now, agitating for extreme things in the pursuit of "activism". It's damaging.

There's a bunch of Q-Anon chumps in Congress these days, pretty sure.

Cerberus

@tchrist Yeah.

think_meaning_builds

It shifted money from the very poor to the very rich.

Cerberus

01:24

How so?

tchrist

@think_meaning_builds I wonder whether it's possible to attribute anything to the pandemic without that being inseparably entangled with Trump's disastrous term of office that ended with it still raging.

think_meaning_builds

Just look at the record high homeless rates.

tchrist

That's just global warming.

@think_meaning_builds How did the pandemic "shift money from the very poor to the very rich" in sudden and far greater degree than was already happening and had been for quite some time?

alphabet

@Cerberus They tend to be the ones to hold protests, put pressure on institutions, and engage in various forms of direct action. They have a mixed track record but at least they do things, unlike the centrists in the party.

think_meaning_builds

Kicking people out on the street once the government removed the rent raising freeze.

Cerberus

01:30

@alphabet Hmm and do those things help?

alphabet

I don't recall any "Preserve police funding but enact sensible reforms" protests, or any "Provide weapons for Israeli self-defense while also providing more humanitarian aid" protests.

tchrist

> Time and again, voters, very often women themselves, told me that they just didn’t think that “America is ready for a female president”. People said they couldn’t “see her in the chair” and asked if I “really thought a woman could run the country”. One person memorably told me that she couldn’t vote for Harris because “you don’t see women building skyscrapers”.

Cerberus

> About a week after the September debate, Mr. Trump started spending heavily on a television ad that hammered Ms. Harris for her position on a seemingly obscure topic: the use of taxpayer funds to fund surgeries for transgender inmates. “Every transgender inmate in the prison system would have access,” Ms. Harris said in a 2019 clip used in the ad.
...
But the ad, with its vivid tagline — “Kamala is for they/them. President Trump is for you” — broke through in Mr. Trump’s testing to an extent that stunned some of his aides.

I really think this is part of the problem, enabling the (far) right by espousing what is seen as far-left ideas.

I think the pronoun thing is a red cloth.

alphabet

The party's centrist wing seems to contain a lot of people who spend much more time castigating the party's left wing than actually organizing the people within the party who would be most dedicated to taking action.

Cerberus

I don't think it is about action; I think it is about convincing the general population of voters.

You can't normally force unpopular policies upon the population that way in a democracy.

tchrist

01:40

@think_meaning_builds Whether you mean emergency measures during the pandemic like the eviction moratorium or the freeze on otherwise normal and legal rent increases, are you saying that those should never have been lifted, that they should have been made permanent instead?

think_meaning_builds

@Cerberus I agree.

alphabet

"Convincing the general population of voters" won't achieve much right now, given we have two years until the next election that could actually affect anything.

Cerberus

@think_meaning_builds Are you wearing a red cloth?

think_meaning_builds

Nope.

Cerberus

@alphabet That's right. The important junction has passed.

There isn't that much most people can do now.

alphabet

01:42

Possibly four. Possibly forever, if you believe Trump will literally end democracy.

Cerberus

Four.

think_meaning_builds

@tchrist sure, why not make them permanent for those on welfare or disability incomes from the government?

tchrist

@Cerberus Are you equating "the pronoun thing" of the "vivid" title with the issue inside, where the ad screams about what it would have you see as tax money paying for sex-change surgery in really ugly ways?

Cerberus

General renters' protection would be a good first step.

alphabet

@Cerberus What people can do is organize. Plan what to do if Trump tries to implement each of the various evil policies he's threatening.

think_meaning_builds

01:44

It's better than living on the street.

tchrist

@think_meaning_builds No protection I know of lets you live somewhere forever no matter whether you pay for it or not, making it effectively rent-free until you die.

Cerberus

@tchrist Not exactly. I say he used the pronoun thing (which wasn't used by Harris) in the video to amplify it, because the pronoun thing is so widely despised.

tchrist

True.

Cerberus

@alphabet That won't hurt.

@tchrist Right, you do need to pay (a reasonable) rent. But protection normally also includes the highest amount a landlord can ask for.

In my country, this is not implemented very well. But it is being improved a bit.

tchrist

@think_meaning_builds Disabled vets don't pay property tax here.

alphabet

01:48

@Cerberus And the only ones leading it, as usual, will be activists in the party's progressive wing.

Cerberus

The theoretic maximum rent of my house will probably go down from something like €2000/month to €1000 or so.

Not sure.

@alphabet The only ones publicly doing so, perhaps?

Lots of high-up people did things under Trump's previous term, but not publicly or he'd punish them.

think_meaning_builds

@tchrist yeah, I think natives get a tax break also.

Cerberus

@think_meaning_builds Here, foreign immigrants get a broad 30% tax break; native Dutchmen don't.

think_meaning_builds

Homelessness is complicated.

Cerberus

Only rich immigrants, though.

alphabet

01:51

@Cerberus What exactly did the party's centrist wing contribute? I've yet to see any evidence that they were all secretly engaging in private resistance.

Cerberus

@alphabet The people who were officials under Trump.

Those are the ones who can help most.

People with their threads in the labyrinth.

alphabet

@Cerberus Those aren't the centrists I'm talking about--I mean the ones writing Times columns condemning the activists. Two very different groups. And the one you mention will be rooted out this time.

Cerberus

So?

Are you suggesting that it is all right to lose the election owing to far-left views, because some people having those far-left views will help protect the state against Trump during his term?

If so, what exactly will they do, and how will it help?

alphabet

@Cerberus No. Read what I wrote earlier.

Cerberus

I didn't really understand how it connected to my point.

alphabet

02:10

@Cerberus I mean, if Trump tries to deport Boston's entire undocumented population, there's gonna be mass protests, probably violence, possibly enough to make implementing it impossible. do.

I guarantee you the ones leading that will be the ones who also spend their time demanding the adoption of gender-neutral pronouns, or supporting police abolition, or prancing around campus in keffiyehs. Demonizing those activists in the eyes of the public is not, at the moment, a particularly helpful thing to do.

Cerberus

That is possible.

But I doubt whether they could stop the army.

Wouldn't it be more effective if Trump had never been elected?

alphabet

@Cerberus And yet he was. And now we need those people.

Cerberus

If they had not been there, perhaps he would not have been elected?

alphabet

Is that relevant at the present moment?

Cerberus

Isn't it always relevant?

alphabet

02:19

"Become popular and wait for the next election" should not be a top priority at the moment.

Protests and direct action are much more necessary.

Cerberus

Well I am not talking about this very moment.

Just analysing what problems may be caused by the far left these days.

think_meaning_builds

Civil disobedience will be punished severely by this elected government.

alphabet

I'm not saying politicians running for office should adopt their views. They should disavow them outright, at least in swing states. But they're also far more likely to achieve anything than the more centrist elements of the party in the immediate future.

Cerberus

Oh, I didn't expect you to say this.

@think_meaning_builds I really hope both sides will use moderation if that should happen.

alphabet

@think_meaning_builds Regardless, we may need a whole lot more of it.

think_meaning_builds

02:25

Storming the Capitol wasn't a moderate act.

alphabet

@Cerberus Certainly I'd prefer for a Democrat running for Congress in central Pennsylvania to run on a moderate platform. There's no reason for them to get the activists' support; if anything it'd only harm them.

Cerberus

So politicians should disavow those views?

That is basically what I wanted to say.

alphabet

@Cerberus That depends heavily on the view, the politician, the office, and the location.

Cerberus

I think the whole party should distance themselves from those views.

You can't really do it selectively, because the far right will undo your selection.

alphabet

@Cerberus There is no "the whole party" able to coordinate messaging and decide on a single set of views to promote.

The party puts out a platform, sure, but nobody reads it and it has pretty much no effect on what policies any individual candidate runs on.

Cerberus

02:34

Yeah, so all people in the party should do this, I think.

alphabet

What do you mean by "all the people in the party"?

"All officials running for office on a Democratic ticket"?

Cerberus

People whose views are expressed in public.

alphabet

Who, specifically?

That's pretty vague.

CowperKettle

sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0360319924043957

Cerberus

What is vague about it?

The more people from a party express unpopular views in public, the more people will associate those views with the party, which I think is a problem here.

@CowperKettle Funny. Is this a respectable publication?

alphabet

02:42

@Cerberus The problem is with the phrase "people from a party"; unless you mean people running for office as part of a party, or the party leadership behind the scenes, I'm not sure who you're including.

Cerberus

Anyone the public will associate with a party.

Yes, it could be a large number of people.

alphabet

That seems like an exceedingly large and nebulous group; I'm not sure how you could cajole them into supporting or opposing any position.

Cerberus

It is not about cajoling.

alphabet

Or convincing. Or pushing. Or nudging.

Cerberus

It is about what it might be best for them to do.

alphabet

02:48

Again, I'm not sure exactly how extensive the group you're describing is, so I'd have trouble committing to any specific position about what they should or shouldn't do.

Cerberus

OK.

CowperKettle

03:23

A friend of mine said he doesn’t understand cloning.
I told him that makes two of us.

alphabet

I recently learned that pet cloning is, in fact, a real industry

tchrist

@Cerberus Together you and I alone have posted more than a quarter of this chat's 2,368,979 messages. You've posted 16% of them, I've posted 10% of them, Rob has 7%, and Cowper has 2%.

Cerberus

@tchrist Oops!

tchrist

I haven't bothered to list the zeroes, as they've nothing to add to that figure. :)

Cerberus

Perhaps it will be different in word count.

We have been here for many years.

alphabet

03:34

How many am I at, I wonder? If tchrist can see them. Probably fairly low since I'm newer.

Cerberus

@tchrist Alphabet would like to know his percentage/permillage.

If that is not beneath you.

tchrist

6

Cerberus

Of course he devours every single message you post here, unseen.

6, really? Over the past 14 years or so?

How can that be?

tchrist

Because I answered the question asked.

Cerberus

I don't follow.

tchrist

03:41

Sigh.

Horses, water, drinking.

What question do you think I answered?

Cerberus

> Together you and I alone have posted more than a quarter of this chat's 2,368,979 messages. You've posted 16% of them, I've posted 10% of them, Rob has 7%, and Cowper has 2%. — What proportion has Alphabet posted?

tchrist

I figured the scale would be obvious.

That wasn't what you asked!!

3 mins ago, by Cerberus

@tchrist Alphabet would like to know his percentage/permillage.

Cerberus

What is the difference?

tchrist

tries not to cry

The answer to "What is his..." is 6.

think_meaning_buildß

LoL

Cerberus

03:45

Sorry, I really have no idea what you are talking about.

But never mind.

tchrist

@think_meaning_buildß Please tell him.

think_meaning_buildß

6%

tchrist

first guess doesn't count

think_meaning_buildß

:(

tchrist

‱ or ‰ or %; which did Cerb request?

think_meaning_buildß

03:47

percentage/permillage

tchrist

So %/‰.

You tried one. It didn't work.

think_meaning_buildß

0.6%

tchrist

6‰

Otherwise I could not have said 6.

alphabet

Yes, 0.6%.

My profile confirms I've sent 15,013 messages. Wow.

Since nearly all of those are on this channel, and the total number of messages is 2,368,979, you get ~0.63%.

think_meaning_buildß

permillage is so European

tchrist

03:49

About 62‱, rounding up.

think_meaning_buildß

Stop throwing those zeros around, someone's gonna lose an eye :P

Cerberus

Oh, it was a joke, I see.

tchrist

@think_meaning_buildß You must not be a property owner. Otherwise the mill levy would be salient in your mind. That's stated in ‰ terms.

alphabet

Maybe I spend too much time on the Internet.

Cerberus

Who doesn't.

alphabet

03:51

Ok, I definitely spend too much time on the Internet.

tchrist

It is not, in fact, about paying the miller to grind your grain.

alphabet

But being in this chat room is probably one of the less brain-destroying ways of doing so.

tchrist

> The mill levy is a property tax. It is applied to a property based on its assessed value. The rate of the tax is expressed in mills and is equal to one dollar per $1,000 dollars of assessed value.

Cerberus

OMG that is the nicest compliment.

tchrist

Permillage rates are built into tax law here. So it's hardly "so European", now is it now eh?

think_meaning_buildß

03:54

Okay, okay. European land owners.

tchrist

That's American not British law I just explained.

I had hoped that dollars might have given this away.

think_meaning_buildß

Your dialogue has many layers, my friend.

Mitch

@alphabet or, and hear me out, having high brain damage attracts one here, and there is little room for it to be worse.

think_meaning_buildß

^

Mitch

Controlling for a common effect opens up a path in the causal graph for there to be high correlation without any causal relation.

I'm pretty sure

Maybe

tchrist

04:02

@Mitch 7

think_meaning_buildß

04:18

How does "7" answer "Maybe"?

@Cerberus it seems to be heading in that direction

Mitch

@think_meaning_buildß it was clear to me.

HippoSawrUs

04:43

I went shopping with 9 kids, ages 3 to 11, and I'm ready to die now. Hell couldn't possibly be that bad. I'm fully prepared. But I let the 3-y/o drive...and we laughed our asses off every time we nearly crashed, and did. That was fun. Hell on wheels. I'm prolly the worst babysitter ever...and I'm okay with it.

think_meaning_buildß

@Mitch Whelp, that's all that counts.

CowperKettle

05:29

> A headless Russian man was rated as fit for military service by no fewer than five doctors working for the Smolensk military registration and enlistment office. Not surprisingly, relatives are now demanding that the doctors be investigated for fraud.

CowperKettle

05:39

The Mansfield News, Ohio, November 5, 1914

CowperKettle

07:48

Dannyu NDos

10:21

I feel like the entire world will fall into a complete maelstrom soon.

But yeah, I admit that I felt this every time right after US' each election.

M.A.R.

13:18

@DannyuNDos I think it's easy enough to foresee things getting bad but much harder to gauge the damage that will be done. Many probably saw Nazi Germany heading to war but many fewer thought it would be a second World War.

@alphabet 195040. So I think that's a crazy number of hours spent on chat.SE

I also have some on chat.MSE, and a few on chat.SO

There are three chat servers in total.

think_meaning_buildß

The depression preceded WW 2, just like the pandemic preceding what's going to happen next.

tchrist

13:48

> Parrots
Marmosets
Humans
Dolphins
Elephants

Connect the dots.

think_meaning_buildß

Size is not everything.

Robusto

#travle #697 +0 (Perfect)
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https://travle.earth

think_meaning_buildß

Ahh, name calling.

I thought it was brain size.

jlliagre

14:06

#travle #697 +0
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https://travle.earth

(Imperfect)

tchrist

@think_meaning_buildß Call Me by My Name

jlliagre

#WhenTaken #257 (10.11.2024)

I scored 773/1000 🎉

1️⃣ 📍 5 km - 🗓️ 2 yrs - ⚡ 198 / 200
2️⃣ 📍 342 km - 🗓️ 20 yrs - ⚡ 144 / 200
3️⃣ 📍 1196 km - 🗓️ 10 yrs - ⚡ 151 / 200
4️⃣ 📍 3951 km - 🗓️ 15 yrs - ⚡ 101 / 200
5️⃣ 📍 446 km - 🗓️ 6 yrs - ⚡ 179 / 200

https://whentaken.com

Michael Rybkin

17:00

Hi, guys. Can I check with you these sentences? Do they sound natural enough to say?

1. For broader coverage of small office network solutions, see Chapter 10.
2. We meet with him tomorrow morning. Have you forgotten?
3. This morning I had a breakfast of poached egg and grilled bacon.
4. That's the most terrible place in the whole world! I can't forget the things that I saw.
5. What's in this year in your country? What is the most fashionable thing people are crazy about?

Vikas

@MichaelRybkin In 4th second "that" seems unnecessary to me.

GratefulDisciple

@MichaelRybkin All are okay. For #5 I had to read the first sentence twice to get the meaning, though. So putting the first word "in" between double quotes (or italic) will alert the reader that you're using it in a different sense than the second word "in". As for #3, I'll have to try that breakfast one day.

alphabet

18:39

Tightrope, a daily trivia game | Britannica

Nov. 10, 2024

T I G H T R O P E
✅ ✅ 💔 ✅ ✅ 💔 ✅ ✅ 💔 🤕

My Score: 1340

Michael Rybkin

18:57

@Vikas Thank you for your suggestion.

@GratefulDisciple Thank you very much, my friend.

jlliagre

20:00

Tightrope, a daily trivia game | Britannica

Nov. 10, 2024

T I G H T R O P E
✅ ✅ 💔 ✅ ✅ ✅ 💔 ✅ ✅ 🎉

My Score: 1800

Robusto

20:24

Daily Octordle #1021
8️⃣4️⃣
🕐5️⃣
9️⃣6️⃣
🔟7️⃣
Score: 62

Daily Sequence Octordle #1021
4️⃣6️⃣
7️⃣8️⃣
9️⃣🔟
🕚🕛
Score: 67

Tightrope, a daily trivia game | Britannica

Nov. 10, 2024

T I G H T R O P E
✅ ✅ ✅ ✅ ✅ ✅ ✅ ✅ ✅ 🎉

My Score: 2110

Robusto

20:58

#WhenTaken #257 (10.11.2024)

I scored 773/1000 🎉

1️⃣ 📍 452 km - 🗓️ 3 yrs - ⚡ 183 / 200
2️⃣ 📍 342 km - 🗓️ 2 yrs - ⚡ 187 / 200
3️⃣ 📍 193 km - 🗓️ 20 yrs - ⚡ 148 / 200
4️⃣ 📍 4395 km - 🗓️ 2 yrs - ⚡ 124 / 200
5️⃣ 📍 1151 km - 🗓️ 17 yrs - ⚡ 131 / 200

https://whentaken.com

@jlliagre An exact tie! What were the odds of that happening?

jlliagre

@Robusto I guess something between 1/100 and 1/200.

Robusto

@jlliagre I think it's a lower probability than that. Maybe 1/400.

jlliagre

21:28

@Robusto I don't think it can be that high. We are more often less than 100 point apart than more and almost never more than 200 so the probability can't be > 1/200. Our closest deltas were 1 and 3 until today.

Robusto

@jlliagre Well, except that the actual range of our scores is 550 -> ? -> 980, which is about 1/400. That's how I thought about it.

jlliagre

@Robusto Okay, that would be the upper limit but for any specific game, we are closer than that.

Robusto

@jlliagre Perhaps.

Conrado

22:50

So what's up with the conflict over fluoride in the water in the USA?

Projected optimal fluorine concentrations in drinking water per region in Chile. I live in "Los Lagos" region.

Source: Chilean Ministry of Health documents

Water fluoridation by country

Water fluoridation is the controlled addition of fluoride to a public water supply to reduce tooth decay, and is handled differently by countries across the world. Fluoridated water contains fluoride at a level that is proven effective for preventing cavities; this can occur naturally or by adding fluoride. Fluoridated water creates low levels of fluoride in saliva, which reduces the rate at which tooth enamel demineralizes, and increases the rate at which it remineralizes in the early stages of cavities. Typically, a fluoridated compound is added to drinking water, a process that in the U.S. costs...

Huge swaths show "unknown" (the gray area) in wikipedia's map.

The source link is broken.

> China embarked upon a pursuit of water fluoridation for about 20 years before backing away entirely from it in the 1980s. Parts of the country have high levels of naturally occurring fluoride, which one study has linked to developmental difficulties in children. The Guardian

HippoSawrUs

@Michael Rybkin - You could expand: What's the 'in thing'... And possibly eliminate the following 'fashionable thing' question.

In-thing, to be very fashionable at the moment; Longman dictionary

Michael Rybkin

23:31

@HippoSawrUs Thank you.

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