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@Mitch Kind of the.
Like the Populares and the Optimates.
Optimates (, ; Latin for "best ones"; sg. optimas) and populares (; Latin for "supporters of the people"; sg. popularis) are labels applied to politicians, political groups, traditions, strategies, or ideologies in the late Roman Republic. There is "heated academic discussion" as to whether Romans would have recognised an ideological content or political split in the label. Among other things, optimates have been seen as supporters of the continued authority of the senate, politicians who operated mostly in the senate, or opponents of the populares. The populares have also been seen as focusing...
@Cerberus Realistically it is, which is why I'm not really planning on moving for that reason.
You'd also lose all your friends.
I suppose.
Why does Boston sometimes feel like a tiny backwater, despite being a very large city by any objective standard? I think it's just because I compare it to places like NYC and LA.
> Modern chess itself is called shatranj in Arabic, and the bishop is called the elephant [because it is derived from proto-chess, developed in India].
@alphabet Why, indeed? What do you notice that makes it feel that way?
@Cerberus Dunno. I mean, I do like it here, to be clear. Or at least I'm used to it.
21:11
@alphabet Maybe the architecture/layout? If it's more sprawling then it feels like there's less population
Maybe so.
Or maybe it also depends on the number of tourists and such?
@Cerberus Maybe. Most of our tourists are foreign exchange students (and their parents) in the massive tour groups visiting Harvard.
Well, potential students.
Hmm.
The Blue Banana (Dutch: blauwe banaan; French: banane bleue; German: Blaue Banane; Italian: banana blu), also known as the European Megalopolis or the Liverpool–Milan Axis, is a discontinuous corridor of urbanization in Western and Central Europe, with a population of around 100 million. The conceptualisation of the area as a "Blue Banana" was developed in 1989 by RECLUS, a group of French geographers managed by Roger Brunet. It stretches approximately from North West England through the English Midlands across Greater London to the European Metropolis of Lille, the Benelux states with the Dutch...
We also have this.
@Cerberus interesting. The idea of 'the left' and 'the right' as liberal and conservative respectively is that only from ... The French Ancien Régime?
@Mitch I think from around the time of the revolution, yes.
21:18
@Cerberus somehow I had the mistaken idea that it was from the Romans
Anyway @Cerberus I was talking to a guy on one of the apps yesterday and he told me he couldn't meet up that night because he was busy cruising the bathrooms at one of the universities nearby. Men!
@Mitch Hmm I shouldn't think so.
@alphabet Oh, my.
At least he was honest.
I have never heard of such a thing happening here!
Would you still meet him another time?
@Cerberus Not gonna answer that.
@Cerberus Like Larry Craig!
I think the old-fashioned term was "cottaging."
OK OK.
Maybe it made sense in the pre-Internet era, but I'm not sure why you'd want to find sexual partners in a public bathroom when other options exist.
21:24
@alphabet Americans are crazy, sorry.
@alphabet Neither am I. Perhaps excitement, or higher chance of success?
@Cerberus I think it was reasonably common in the olden days, though I'm not sure about its popularity relative to non-bathroom cruising locations.
@M.A.R. I understand the sentiment
@Cerberus I'll ask him.
Apr 22, 2011 at 23:40, by Cerberus
Hi Mitch
@CowperKettle This was praesumably where/when there was no real regulation of medicine, so weird.
@Mitch Awww.
21:28
@Cerberus Was cruising never a thing in the Netherlands?
Per Wikipedia:
> In the United States, cruising often takes place in gay bars, [...] public toilets, parks, saunas, gyms or gay bathhouses. Engaging in such activities in public places like parks has led to participants being charged with indecent exposure.
@alphabet I meant the police being involved, in the 21st century!
@Cerberus for most of my years here I was the only one -with- colors (save for @Robusto) with my bright red green and yellow math thing. Then I changed to a brown bull on green green grass and while more subdued was still quite pronounced. And now that I've gone executive suit gray, -im- the one expected to put on a show?
Actively hunting gays by luring them to them.
@M.A.R. Thanks! ))
@Cerberus No clue if those stings happen anymore. It is still very much illegal, obviously.
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@Mitch Hmm I don't remember your old heraldry except the brown bull on green field.
Why don't people hunt pigeons? Very plentiful, easy to catch, and mostly hygienic if you cook them.
Do you have your old coats of arms on hand to remind us?
Let me see if I can visit Gravatar in my phone...
@alphabet It is crazy that this should be illegal in a modern country.
@Mitch I have no idea, except that it is illegal here.
Pigeons cause a lot of damage, I wish they were treated just like rats.
@Cerberus Sodomy was still illegal in many states until 2003.
21:33
Yeah, that's pretty crazy.
Lawrence v. Texas, 539 U.S. 558 (2003), is a landmark decision of the U.S. Supreme Court in which the Court ruled that U.S. state laws criminalizing sodomy between consenting adults are unconstitutional. The Court reaffirmed the concept of a "right to privacy" that earlier cases had found the U.S. Constitution provides, even though it is not explicitly enumerated. It based its ruling on the notions of personal autonomy to define one's own relationships and of American traditions of non-interference with any or all forms of private sexual activities between consenting adults. In 1998, John Geddes...
@Mitch Why you ping me wid dis boolshit?
I also apparently have the only gravitar with a zero alpha channel.
@Robusto I didn't want to get your panties in a bunch if I misrepresented you.
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Granted, that is in Florida, but I wouldn't be surprised if something similar happened at a similar location in Boston.
There do you see my old original avatar now?
@Mitch I didn't know "I misrepresented you"s came in bunches. Live and learn, yeah?
Probably burns through your eyelids
@Mitch Everybody loved that one. Then you had to fuck it up with this cat stuff.
@Robusto 'if'
21:37
> Deputies used Sniffies, a service advertised as a “map-based hookup app for gay, bisexual, and bicurious men”
Dammit, cops found out about that
@alphabet So the witch hunt shave never stopped.
@Mitch Ohh I remember that one, of course! (I had to click on you to see it.)
@Robusto I have other cat ones that I could impose on you.
There. Refresh and you should see another one
Soonish?
bangs on top of TV
@Cerberus I can understand the cops intervening if someone called them to report such behavior, but those sting operations seem like a bit much.
There. Now two live cats
@alphabet Enrtrapment.
21:42
Entarpment is Entrapment in a tarp.
Entraptent is Entrapment in a tent.
> 2008 — Good news for the romantics and 'cruisers' among us; sex will be allowed in Amsterdam's Vondelpark. There will be no checks and it will be allowed as long as others are not disturbed, according to the draft version of the Vondelpark usage memorandum.

“Of course there will be strict rules, such as always cleaning up the 'waste', never having sex near children's playgrounds and restricting it to the evening and night hours," says Paul van Grieken, the alderman responsible for the Oud-Zuid district, the richest part of the city.
@alphabet That would be different.
@Robusto Strictly speaking it doesn't meet the legal definition of entrapment, since he pretty clearly was intending to commit that crime whether or not cops were present.
@Mitch So the classy variant?
Entorpment is a very slow Entrapment.
@Cerberus What. The.
21:45
@Cerberus if by classy you mean tarps stolen from a homeless encampment, then yes
That is...not something you'd see here
And definitely not in 2008
@alphabet This is a lot more normal than your situation.
@Cerberus oh. Yeah those are fancy tarps. I don't got that kind of money.
21:46
@alphabet That's pretty strict.
@Cerberus I think in most countries it is illegal to have sex in parks.
@alphabet But in most civilised countries?
Here, sex outdoors is normally allowed as long as it doesn't bother people.
Haven't we talked about this recently?
@Robusto I mean, they shouldn't do it. But cops do similar sorts of things for other crimes, like putting out "bait cars" full of expensive goods and lying in wait for car thieves to come along.
@alphabet Well, this all hinges on one's definition of "crime" ...
@Cerberus That we did.
21:48
> Entarpment 1. Luring someone under a tarp by means of a delicious outdoors banquet.
@Cerberus Not sure what "civilized" means, but I think few countries have designated particular parks as legal ones to have sex in.
I'm sure it is tolerated in many parks if they don't bother people.
Morning sun.
Got rained out on my ride today.
And you would just give someone a fine if he bothered other people, not put him in prison.
@Cerberus what about the insects?
21:50
@Robusto Indeed, in the park-sting case it seems like a disproportionately strict way of preventing a crime much less serious than, say, car theft. I don't think the cops spend much time in those "lovers' lanes" straight people supposedly use out in the sticks.
@Robusto Those rays.
@Cerberus mmm
@Mitch They love easy access to distracted people's exposed orifices.
@Cerberus think of how the bugs feel about it.
Hah, nice new icon.
Cat math?
21:52
Yes. It's ... I won't give it away
Maybe @DannyuNDos might recognize it.
Is that color distinctive enough?
@Mitch I'm quite sure the earwigs and penis fish love it.
@Mitch Yes, very good!
Now everyone is different again.
I am achronic.
@Cerberus omg you're not going to get me to say p
Alphabet is colourless and green ideas.
Ooh you almost got me
Rob is bloody dream.
21:54
@Cerberus that is a respectable color.
@Robusto a plain view
Cowper's heraldry is also quite recognisable with his copper kettle on a white field.
@Mitch I should think so.
No indecent exposure.
I just want to say I really liked my now previous avatar.
You know, cats man.
@Mitch But you haven't said it yet.
But cats in boxes is pretty good too
21:55
@Cerberus Might be sun through the rain.
@CowperKettle snarf
And a cat in a box in a box with a cat is even better
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Oh dang
@Robusto Or it could be an enormous flying saucer behind a cloud, Startrek-like-with-visible-rays-scanning everything.
Jliagres and mine look identical
21:57
No need to show everything, gents.
> Seventeenth-century sources speak of places where men “cruysen” past each other in “lanes” in search of homosexual contact. Consequently, today's globally used term cruising comes from the Dutch word cruysbaan.
I didn't know this.
@Cerberus Of course it comes from the Netherlands.
@Cerberus That would be too obvious. I was trying to soft-pedal this stuff.
> The Vondelpark has been considered the city's gay meeting place from the time it was remodeled in 1959.
Apparently the law here is:
@Robusto Sorry, didn't mean to expose your masters.
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> A man or woman, married or unmarried, who is guilty of open and gross lewdness and lascivious behavior, shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for not more than three years or in jail for not more than two years or by a fine of not more than three hundred dollars.
Odd amounts. Three hundred dollars or two years in prison?
@Cerberus I'm assuming this law was made a very long time ago, when $300 was worth a lot more. I think now you'd usually get the jail time.
But I have no clue under what circumstances this law is actually enforced.
Right.
It is crazy that they should put you in prison rather than fine you.
> In 1990, the municipality implicitly recognized the meeting place by concluding the Mowing Agreement. In it, the municipality and gay interest group COC agreed that the grass in the Picasso meadow near the Rose Garden would henceforth be allowed to grow tall to give gays more privacy.
If someone proposed such a policy here--even in Boston--all hell would break loose.
Though I suspect that police here don't try to crack down on these places as much as they do in Florida.
Of course, you might get charged with some lesser offense, but it will still show up on background checks forever. Not ideal.
@alphabet That is crazy.
Such a minor thing.
> Platform Keelbos Foundation from Nuth deals with the interests of men who seek sexual contact in outlying areas. And they are not happy with Recreation Board Twiske-Waterland, a large area of natural recration.

It has come to the Foundation's attention that “the Recreation Board has exclusively closed and blocked those paths with, among other things, pruning waste where gay recreation, to wit, GMP* recreation takes place.

They sent a letter to the councils of Zaanstad, Oostzaan, Wormerland and Amsterdam, among others, to express their displeasure, and to call for a freeze on all subsidi
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@Cerberus I think there may be ways of getting your record sealed eventually. Dunno.
@Cerberus Wait, you have a foundation for that?
> They point out that other forms of recreation such as diving, cycling, climbing, horseback riding, water sports, fishing, etc. are actively encouraged.
...ok, then, but I don't think anyone worries about their kids accidentally seeing someone fishing.
I plan on avoiding getting caught committing such an offense.
@Cerberus They say we're partners in the whole destroy-the-earth project.
I told them we were destroying it ourselves, but apparently not quickly enough for them.
Verb: snarf (third-person singular simple present snarfs, present participle snarfing, simple past and past participle snarfed)
  1. (transitive, slang) To eat or consume greedily.
  2. (transitive, slang) To take something by dubious means, but without the connotations of stealing; to take something without regard to etiquette.
  3. (transitive, slang, computing) To slurp (computing slang sense); to load in entirely; to copy as a whole.
  4. (transitive, slang, computing, by extension) To fetch (in general).
  5. 2001: Brad A. Myers, Choon Hong Peck, Jeffrey Nicols, Dave Kong, and Robert Miller, Interacting at a Distance Using Semantic Snarfing, in Proceedings of the 3rd international conference on Ubiquitous Computing, pages 305-314.
  6. Other future applications of the semantic snarfing idea might include classrooms, where students might snarf interesting pieces of content from the instructor's presentation; […]
First attested in 1963
@alphabet I don't know, anyone can found a foundation, it means little.
@Robusto Do they have a plan with the materials?
@Cerberus I think a similar foundation here would not be so well-received.
Snarf. Remember him?
@alphabet It could be just two men filing the documents.
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@Cerberus I suppose. Might not be something I'd want my name attached to, personally.
Who would care?
@Cerberus No
My employers, possibly. I'm not really sure they'd want to be known as the place with the employee who runs the public sex advocacy group.
But he looks friendly.
Btw, any updates on the sex crimes case against the art institute director who claimed to have had sex with 1900 guys?
22:27
Wow
Is the director woman?
Nooo.
No.
Now that would be a story.
@CowperKettle Thundercats!
@Cerberus was telling me about it--something that happened in the Netherlands--dunno if there's been any English-language coverage of it.
@alphabet Why would they ever care about your private life?
@alphabet Oh...I have no idea.
I don't even remember which one it was.
@Cerberus Ah, does that not narrow it down?
Sep 13 at 2:16, by Cerberus
By the way, there is now a criminal lawsuit again someone who bragged about having had 1900 sexual partners. 28 of them accused him of several sexual crimes and one non-sexual. He met them all via Grinder, praesumably.
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@Cerberus A song by AC/DC?
There are actually two similar cases, I confuse them as well.
Were the numbers involved higher or lower?
"Thundercats! Thundercats!"
@CowperKettle A cartoon from ca. 1980! I watched reruns on the telly as a boy, it was great.
@CowperKettle Yes!
@alphabet With the other man, I don't know. Probably lower.
And maybe he mistreated both men and women.
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@Cerberus They're kinda secretive about that stuff.
@alphabet By the way, my friend knew the 1900 man. He said he was considered a creep by everyone always.
@alphabet I should register on Grinder
Oh.
It's for LBGT only
@CowperKettle There are not many actual women on there, though.
It used to be only for gay men, and still mainly is.
@Cerberus I was wondering if that was some sort of record. Google tells me there are people who claim to have had a lot more.
@alphabet It is possible especially if they do group sex...
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@CowperKettle Officially spelled Grindr. And yes, pretty much exclusively for men looking for men. I don't think you'd have many straight women interested in using a similar app.
Some go there to find bi men.
And eventually straight men will come there for the straight women.
And it will all be taken over.
A woman at a store was making hints to me. I think she is a bit low-IQ but nice. Plumpy woman, giggling. She kept telling me where to obtain this or that part for my bicycle. I was not getting the hints, and why she was keeping me from leaving the store with the order.
Ugh.
Unless Grinder should allow proper filtering.
@CowperKettle Was she attractive?
The straights ruin everything fun.
22:35
Attractive enough?
@alphabet Yeah and Grinder tries to attract them.
I mean, it would be fine if you could filter out sexes and stuff without penalty.
@Cerberus Really? I haven't seen it.
@Cerberus She was nice, but not the ideal of beauty. At the end she felt exasperated and said, giggling, that maybe I should buy a watermelon for her because she likes watermelons. I haven't had a relationship with a woman for years, so I would readily buy a watermelon for every woman. But that would leave the woman depressed in the end, when I disappear after some romance/sex, wouldn't it?
@alphabet I think they used to advertise as gay, now also for transsexuals and queers.
I don't know how strongly women feel let down after a man leaves them. I'm afraid of feeling guilty.
@Cerberus I don't have much of any objection to that per se.
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@CowperKettle I don't know: if you could manage her expectations, it could be fine, just some fun for both of you.
@CowperKettle Some women can be like that, find it hard to separate sex and friendship from full romance and love.
@alphabet I wouldn't if I could filter them out.
@CowperKettle I mean, it's not like you've promised her anything, is it?
Like on any big porn website, where the gays and the straights never need to see each other's porn.
So I thought when I first had a relationship with a woman. I thought she would easily get over it when I'd say it's over. However, she later told me that she "cried the summer through" when we struck up a relationship again. I cannot ask plainly "was it really so". Who knows what a woman really feels. Whether she exaggerates to make you stay.
Aww.
@CowperKettle None of the above.
22:40
She might exaggerate, but it is quite possible that someone has real feelings for you.
@Cerberus Isn't there something where you can pay for better filtering capabilities?
Which can be hard to manage / prevent.
Maybe I should just act as if any person can anytime get over any break-up. Because otherwise I'd be stuck in this OCD and compulsive over-thinking.
@CowperKettle Not really relevant, is it? You always have the right to break up with someone. It's not like you have a contractual obligation to them.
There's the moral obligation, becuase if the person thinks from the start that it would be a long-term relationship, they would think that they just lost the precious time in maintaining the relationship.
22:47
@CowperKettle Example: a few weeks ago I was with someone who seemed very interested, but I knew I didn't want anything long term. So I said, "by the way, I am not looking for a boyfriend, just so you know". That is part of managing someone's expectations.
This needs to be restated later, though, if you get signals that the other person still expects more.
@CowperKettle If you falsely represented to them that you were seeking a long-term relationship when you weren't, then yes you'd have done something wrong. But even then you'd still be within your rights to break up with them--indeed, it'd surely be better if you did so than if you kept up the pretense even longer.
And, if the other person has feelings, you just can't continue, you need to either crush her hope or distance yourself, early.
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Made in concentration camp Reichenbach 1944/45, with any bits of fabric she could find, by Atie Siegenbeek van Heukelom, sent there after her arrest, because she was in the Dutch resistance against the Nazi occupation.
In prison before being sent to the concentration camp.
23:31
A Night in the Lonesome October is a novel by American writer Roger Zelazny published in 1993, near the end of his life. It was his last book, and one of his five personal favorites. The book is divided into 32 chapters, each representing one "night" in the month of October (plus one "introductory" chapter). The story is told in the first-person, akin to journal entries. Throughout, 33 full-page illustrations by Gahan Wilson (one per chapter, plus one on the inside back cover) punctuate a tale heavily influenced by H. P. Lovecraft. The title is a line from Edgar Allan Poe's "Ulalume" and Zelazny...
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It is frustrating how the most important information is not in the first two sentences.
Like the genre and theme of the book.
It's a first-person narrative from a rather fantastic dog. I figured you'd be able to identify.
Identify the dog?
Is it Orthrus?
No, identify in the sense of you producing the same thing.
It's being reprinted in February.
Identify, produce?
I will read the Wikipaedia article.
I'm falling asleep.
When you speak, you speak in the first person with the voice of a dog.
23:54
That sounds cryptic.
Jagoff or jag-off is an American English derogatory slang term from Pittsburghese meaning a person who is a jerk, stupid or inept. It is most prominent in the Pittsburgh area and Pennsylvania in general, along with wide use in Chicago, particularly in the Irish taverns. The Dictionary of American Regional English defines the term as a "general term of disparagement". It is an archetypical Pittsburgh word, evoking feelings of delight among Pittsburgh expatriates. Despite the term's phonetic resemblance to jack off, the two possibly have different origins and jagoff, while derogatory or playful...
> A Night in the Lonesome October is narrated from the point-of-view of Snuff, a dog who is Jack the Ripper's companion.
@CowperKettle Hardly merely Pittsburgh. Was common in the Chicago area when I was a child.
> Each Player has a familiar – an animal companion with near-human intelligence that helps complete the numerous preparations for the ritual. The majority of the story describes the interactions and discussions of these familiars, all from Snuff's point of view.
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