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MetaEd

18:05

@Cerberus same reason some people don't use keepInventory=true. to challenge themselves

I work crosswords without a dictionary, and the easier ones I work from left to right top to bottom.

it's a fun challenge.

Cerberus

@MetaEd But then the challenge has to be fun.

I liked the game less before Googling was allowed, it seemed a bit boring, random guessing?

jlliagre

@Cerberus Because it makes the game harder, and as you wrote, nothing guarantees that you don't get a picture from Google.

Cerberus

OK.

I actually like the puzzling/research aspect of it, I think.

jlliagre

Tomorrow, I will note my ungoogled guess somewhere, then use google and go ahead. I'll have two scores then.

Cerberus

@jlliagre Good idea.

OK the first one was easy.

No Googling.

jlliagre

18:13

Same score.

Vikas

You guys are Googling for WhenTaken? 😦😦😦

Cerberus

At first, I never did.

Then I began doing it when the others did it, and it was more fun.

Vikas

Cheating!

Cerberus

Now we're supposed to do today's game without Googling.

MetaEd

SPLITTERS

Cerberus

18:15

@Vikas But putting the photo into Googles Images is always illegal.

Vikas

I don't Google for any puzzles here.

jlliagre

yesterday, by jlliagre

When I started playing, I didn't use Google or anything at all. I was wondering how @XanderHenderson could have such high scores then I understood Googling was part of the answer. Too bad it's not possible to play without being informed of the actual location and date. I would like to be able to play once with no external assistance then a second time with Googling allowed.

Vikas

Video shows US shooting of Black woman by police she called | Al Jazeera Newsfeed

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Robusto

@Cerberus I'm cool with it either way. I got lucky today going rawdog, but on another day I could get 400.

Cerberus

Second one. Also easy.

The year is kind of impossible to get close to.

Alexander

18:21

By the way, isn't there a harder version of Wordle? It simply became too boring for me. I now usually solve it in three attempts, rarely four. I wonder if there is smth which is harder to solve (six or seven-letter word, larger vocabulary (harder words), two type of color highlights rather than three, etc.

Vikas

@Alexander That's overconfidence XD You can't do it always in 3-4 attempts.

Robusto

@Cerberus #3 is easy too.

Cerberus

@Robusto Really?

It seems less obvious to me.

Both the year and the place.

Robusto

Well, the year wasn't easy, but I've done worse.

Cerberus

You found the location easy, really?

I'm just going to guess.

Robusto

18:25

Well, look at the picture op close

It helps if you know history.

Cerberus

I know something that happened in that year.

So that is what I will guess.

jlliagre

The name of the city is written in plain text.

Cerberus

But I didn't think you would know that.

@jlliagre Really!

The third one?

jlliagre

Sorry, the second one.

Cerberus

Yeah, the second one was easy.

jlliagre

18:28

The third location is obvious, especially if you already know it well.

The precise year is unguessable.

Robusto

@jlliagre I didn't know it well, but I know what happened on the dates involved. The ones printed on the column.

Cerberus

@jlliagre How is it obvious??

Corrected.

jlliagre

@Robusto Oh yes, but that doesn't help to know the date of the picture.

Robusto

No, of course not.

Cerberus

How am I supposed to know it was there?

Robusto

18:29

I was uncomfortably off on the date.

Cerberus

I know only one important thing that happened in the year on the thing.

But you wouldn't know that.

And it was apparently not what the thing was about.

jlliagre

@Cerberus You know it if you are a citizen of that country.

Robusto

I read a lot of history.

Cerberus

@jlliagre Yes, of course. But that applies any any picture!

That doesn't make it "easy"!

3 mins ago, by jlliagre

The third location is obvious, especially if you already know it well.

It is not obvious, in my opinion, unless you already know it well.

Which is...a kind of tautology.

jlliagre

@Cerberus That was the idea ;-)

Cerberus

18:32

Misleading.

jlliagre

I mean, almost everyone who have heard of that country also know that place.

Even if they don't know that that photo was taken on that place.

Cerberus

That is not the same thing.

jlliagre

Too many that.

Cerberus

I do not know the place from the photo.

jlliagre

But everyone on the chat has heard of that place.

Cerberus

18:34

The square or the monument?

I haven't looked at what it was.

I just didn't recognise it.

jlliagre

The square.

Cerberus

But how is that relevant?

Everyone had heard of Bogotà, but nobody would recognise a square in it.

And this photo didn't even show the square, just the foot of some monument.

jlliagre

Because all demonstrations in that city start from that place. Of course, not everyone know that.

Cerberus

But I do not reocognise the place!!

Think harder, and admit that what you said was unfair.

Now, the fourth one, is also hard.

jlliagre

Spoiler #3

Cerberus

18:37

I will guess a well-known place where it could be.

jlliagre

I was quite lucky with the year on that one.

Cerberus

@jlliagre Listen. You know Amsterdam. You probably even know Dam Square. If I showed you a photo of the foot of some building there, would you recognise it?

jlliagre

Not without googling ;-)

Cerberus

Only if you happen to know that particular building well. Otherwise, it is not obvious at all.

But you were telling me it should be obvious to me, because I knew the name of the square.

Robusto

I never saw the monument in person, but I knew which city it had to be in. Beyond a reasonable doubt, that is.

But the dates were very revealing for a certain event that the monument commemorated.

Cerberus

18:41

@Robusto How?

Because of the dates?

Robusto

@Cerberus We're still talking about #3, right?

jlliagre

@Cerberus I wrote it after you wrote Also easy, I thought you had it so commented it was obvious if you already know it.

Cerberus

@Robusto Yes.

Robusto

@Cerberus Yeah, like I said, it helps if you know history.

Cerberus

@jlliagre Ahh OK. That was probably about no. 2.

@Robusto Well, I am an historian...

But so many things happened in the past...

jlliagre

18:42

Sorry guys, I have to leave for a moment.

Cerberus

Later!

Robusto

Yeah, there's a lot of history. That's why I read a lot of it.

@jlliagre Ciao for now.

They really don't teach history anymore. Too bad.

I'm amazed when people can't place the dates for the French Revolution(s).

Or other notable events.

Or have no idea when and why the Peloponnesian War happened.

Or any of a number of dates and events and forces at work.

Cerberus

But those dates are a bit more significant than 1830, aren't they?

Robusto

@Cerberus Not if you've read about that country's last couple centuries. It's pretty interesting.

Cerberus

The 4th one.

I just had no idea about the location.

@Robusto Well, I have obviously read about those many times.

But I don't remember the exact years of most things.

Robusto

18:53

@Cerberus Then you should remember the Three Glorious Days.

Cerberus

I don't know.

Robusto

@Cerberus Yeah, I do have a knack for dates of things. I don't know why.

Cerberus

I mean, when I saw the year and the language, I did think of an event that must have occurred around that time.

Robusto

As for #4 I did a bit better than you because I am married to an Asian woman and have a facility for the different features of various Asian countries. Most people just see the epicanthic fold and lump all those faces together.

Now, #5 for me was a complete pull-it-out-of-my-ass guess.

Cerberus

@Robusto Yes, I expected no less.

I was in doubt between the country I picked and the one where it actually was.

But I didn't see anything in the script that suggested the actual country to me—probably incorrectly so.

Robusto

18:59

@Cerberus There is a certain style of calligraphy associated with that country.

Cerberus

@Robusto Did you get close?

Robusto

@Cerberus Closer than I had any right to. But I really screwed up the date.

Cerberus

@Robusto I did see a style that looked familiar on the placard or what was it, but I had no idea where it might be from.

@Robusto Hmm.

The last one is very interesting.

But very hard.

Several continents which I cannot exclude.

Cerberus

19:20

Well.

This was the 5th one.

It was one of three continents. I chose the one farthest away from the correct one.

And the date was too far off. But I just had no idea.

#WhenTaken #147 (23.07.2024)

I scored 722/1000 🎉

1️⃣ 📍 86.7 metres - 🗓️ 1 yrs - ⚡ 199 / 200
2️⃣ 📍 54.1 metres - 🗓️ 7 yrs - ⚡ 191 / 200
3️⃣ 📍 263 km - 🗓️ 2 yrs - ⚡ 189 / 200
4️⃣ 📍 2625 km - 🗓️ 1 yrs - ⚡ 143 / 200
5️⃣ 📍 15022 km - 🗓️ 34 yrs - ⚡ 0 / 200

https://whentaken.com

jlliagre

20:14

@Cerberus I understand. By the way, the more you play WhenTaken, the more you know what location its author like to present. There is no randomness here. In particular, the one we were just discussing about was already there two days ago.

Same column.

Different year.

Chichén Itzá probably wins the number of appearances contest.

Robusto

20:30

@Cerberus That's not bad.

#5 is funny because the location is within easy driving distance of where I now live. I could not have recognized it.

@jlliagre That and Machu Picchu.

Or the various ruins around Mexico City.

Paris certainly gets its fair share, as does NYC.

jlliagre

@Robusto I tried Bolivia, got 12 points.

Robusto

@jlliagre That's as good a guess as any.

The hairstyles really threw me on that one.

Also, the blanket wraps.

They were of a pattern I simply did not recognize.

Araucaria - Him

#WhenTaken #147 (23.07.2024)

I scored 822/1000 🎉

1️⃣ 📍 1207 km - 🗓️ 0 yrs - ⚡ 166 / 200
2️⃣ 📍 5 km - 🗓️ 1 yrs - ⚡ 199 / 200
3️⃣ 📍 2 km - 🗓️ 1 yrs - ⚡ 199 / 200
4️⃣ 📍 256 km - 🗓️ 14 yrs - ⚡ 164 / 200
5️⃣ 📍 6162 km - 🗓️ 12 yrs - ⚡ 94 / 200

https://whentaken.com

Robusto

@Araucaria-Him I beat you by only one point. Statistically insignificant.

Araucaria - Him

That's too much like hard work!

Robusto

20:37

What else ya gonna do with your free time?

Araucaria - Him

Finish my PhD?

Or watch TV

Probably better than the latter

Robusto

Finishing things is highly overrated.

Araucaria - Him

Yes, couldn't agree mor

Not sure my other half sees it that way

Mitch

@jlliagre I recently heard a great quip about that...

jlliagre

Go ahead.

Robusto

20:45

Aren't the Quips an L.A. street gang federation?

Mitch

there should be a chain of fried chicken restaurants in the Yucatan called...

Chicken Eatsa

Robusto

Hmm ... I do remember that from somewhere ...

Where was it ...?

Oh, yeah.

Jul 4 at 13:46, by Robusto

Idea for a Mexican fast-food chicken chain (better than Los Pollos Hermanos): Chicken Eatsa.

Mitch

I 'm still cryin

jlliagre

I had to google Eatsa.

Mitch

@jlliagre it's not really a word?

at all?

'eats' is

and sometimes ya gotta mangle things a little to make them fit.

Robusto

20:47

And nobody even gave that a single star ... sniffs

2

jlliagre

I'm glad googling is allowed to guess the mysteries of this chat.

Mitch

I'm still not sure where I heard it from though.

Some weirdo probably

Robusto

I don't get no respect.

jlliagre

@Robusto Now you got it!

Mitch

I ruined it.

Robusto

20:48

@jlliagre I will cuddle it in bed tonight.

jlliagre

them.

Mitch

@Robusto Save them up and redeem for... 1/20 of a Dave and Buster's tickets.

jlliagre

@Robusto Une nuit étoilée !

Mitch

which, with 500 of them you can 'buy' a funny eraser.

Robusto

@jlliagre But do I have to cut off my ear?

jlliagre

20:50

Not that time.

Robusto

Uh-oh, rollover wienermobile accident in Chicago area.

Someone get a big bun.

jlliagre

Robusto

@jlliagre Yup, that is the reference.

jlliagre

He gave his freshly cut ear to a woman working in a brothel. Weird.

I do. Corrected.

Robusto

@jlliagre Vincent was crazy for her. I mean really crazy.

jlliagre

21:02

Jul 14 at 1:53, by jlliagre

Robusto

Pretty good likeness.

jlliagre

I posted it during the Bastille Day but it's a coincidence.

Robusto

And I made my Chicken Eatsa joke on Independence Day. Coincidence? I think not.

jlliagre

21:23

That's "wierd".

Mitch

21:35

@jlliagre It's funny because... well... 'eatsa' = 'Itza' ... and 'Chichen' ... OMG ... it's ... almost... it almost sounds like...

'chicken'.

I can't see my keyboard for cryin

Robusto

You're just jealous. :-p

Mitch

I mean there are a thousand chicken wing places.

I mean these Korean BBQ places are poppin up like mushrooms.

jlliagre

@Mitch Thank you for enlightening me :-)

Mitch

@jlliagre Buffalo chicken wings are the 'original' spicy fried chicken wings, with blue cheese dressing and celery.

It's not good for you.

1 chicken wing has 5000% Recommended Daily allowance of everything bad.

Araucaria - Him

@Mitch Wait - buffalo have wings?

Mitch

21:39

cholesterol

triglycerides

added sugar (you can't taste it but it's there)

jlliagre

@Araucaria-Him Buffalo has chicken.

Mitch

trans fats

cis fats that are homophobic

denatured DNA

unnatural DNA

Araucaria - Him

AND

Mitch

probably heavy metals

for that extra zing

@Araucaria-Him I refuse to answer that.

Araucaria - Him

like Metalica

jlliagre

21:41

@Araucaria-Him buffalo-grill.fr/la-carte/poulet/chicken-wings

Not that funny.

Robusto

Tell AI not to quit its day job.

Oh wait, that is its day job.

Xanne

#WhenTaken #147 (23.07.2024)

I scored 742/1000 🎉

1️⃣ 📍 25 km - 🗓️ 1 yrs - ⚡ 198 / 200
2️⃣ 📍 10 km - 🗓️ 5 yrs - ⚡ 195 / 200
3️⃣ 📍 3 km - 🗓️ 14 yrs - ⚡ 173 / 200
4️⃣ 📍 264 km - 🗓️ 51 yrs - ⚡ 91 / 200
5️⃣ 📍 12769 km - 🗓️ 10 yrs - ⚡ 85 / 200

Mitch

@jlliagre There are a deluge of kids joke sites out there. And very few from actual comedians.

@Robusto Managers won't care, they'll hire it to replace 10 people with actual talent.

jlliagre

@Mitch Virtual comedians?

or actual non-comedians?

Araucaria - Him

@Mitch Where's it going to find the actual talent to replace the ten people with?

Robusto

21:51

@jlliagre AI isn't even "dad joke" funny. It's mentally challenged, but not in a fun way.

Mitch

@Araucaria-Him that's the point, the managers will hire the untalented AI so they can lay off several talented people. ie, the managers don't actually care about quality.

@Robusto It's pretty spot on for popsicle stick jokes or bazooka joe bubble gum wrapper jokes.

which are horrible

Araucaria - Him

@Mitch Oh, I thought you meant they were going to hire the AI to fire the comedians and replace them with some actual talent.

Mitch

@Araucaria-Him oh.

no.

just fire the comedians.

no hiring anybody else.

But that's probably something managers will do which is hire an AI to do the firing so they don't have to have those uncomfortable conversations.

Araucaria - Him

Do you think I'm being too literal?

Mitch

and the AI can also choose who to fire, so it's not the managers fault.

Best part of this... the manager is the one who gets fired first.

Araucaria - Him

21:59

@Mitch Hear, hear

Mitch

@Araucaria-Him I don't know... I may not be articulating well.

@Araucaria-Him well, to be sure, many others get fired too.

Araucaria - Him

@Mitch It doesn't matter, I can't hear you. I can only see what you're typing

Mitch

@Araucaria-Him same.

Araucaria - Him

@Mitch That's good because I have a strong Scottish accent.

Mitch

@Araucaria-Him rereading what I wrote, it came out wrong. should be 'replace the 10 people with actual talent'... it's the 10 people who have talent that are being fired, not 10 people (talented or not) replaced with some talent.

@Araucaria-Him I think we'd both be a bit nervous if I could actually hear you.

or see you.

Turn and look over your shoulder out that window.

Araucaria - Him

22:06

@Mitch Oh, I see. Well, if you'd drawn a syntax tree, there'd have been no misunderstanding. Maybe if you articulate it clearer while you're typing the prosody will disambiguate it?

Mitch

next to the street light

Araucaria - Him

@Mitch I think you've put on some weight

Mitch

between the recycliing dumpster and the regular garbage

Araucaria - Him

Suits you.

Mitch

@Araucaria-Him Thanks. I've been trying to bulk up.

@Araucaria-Him we should all be more profligate with our parentheses.

Araucaria - Him

22:07

You'll have to let me in on your secret. The protein shakes don't really do it for me any more.

@Mitch Yes, what's a few parentheses between friends.

Mitch

@Araucaria-Him I don't know if that actually works.

I'm pretty sure that one can gain a lot of wait by eating lots of carbs, but that is what converts into fat.

I think what gets muscle mass is weight training with heavier weights. (and just eating enough, not necessarily lots of protein).

Araucaria - Him

Oops, the boss is back and I haven't done the washing up ...

Mitch

@Araucaria-Him Frankly we should all be communicating in LISP.

@Araucaria-Him snort

I didn't know you had a cat.

Here's a thing those LLM trainers should do...

Araucaria - Him

@Mitch She doesn't like me referring to her like that ...

Mitch

preprocess all the text computing their parse trees along with the word vectors and train on that.

Then you'd get your 'grounding'

Also, noe more free piece of advice to the LLM makers.

Araucaria - Him

22:15

@Mitch I'm about to get a grounding right now. Hasta luego folks

Mitch

Record everything we say surreptitiously using alexa, siri, radio waves, whale song, bluetooth enabled light bulbs, whatever

and train on that.

@Araucaria-Him ta!

alphabet

@Mitch No, that's me.

Cerberus

23:26

@jlliagre Ahh good to know.

@Robusto Understandable!

I was thinking, it could be any continent but Europe and Antarctica and Australia.

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