English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

Xanne

01:38

@alphabet Cure rhymes with fur? For me cur rhymes with fur.

Criggie

@Xanne I concur with the lattur.

Mitch

01:56

@Criggie To be sure.

@alphabet that's the only one you don't know?

alphabet

@Xanne For me all three of those words rhyme. Merriam-Webster actually lists this pronunciation of cure ("ˈkyər" in their weird non-iPA notation).

Mitch

@MetaEd I had myself convinced a while back that 'irony' was pronounced like 'iron-ee', because you don't pronounce 'ironic' /aj 'ɝ nik/

alphabet

The pronunciation that confuses me is the one this guy uses at 25:25

Mitch

@alphabet I think it's the/kj/ that is distracting.

alphabet

@Mitch Both pronunciations of irony are reasonably common, though some people dislike the /ˈaɪ.ɚ.ni/ one.

Mitch

02:04

I think there's too much tolerance of 'spelling' pronunciation.

user 85795

What is 'spelling' pronunciation?

Mitch

Which is to say I if the pronunciation police started bashing skulls for errors that I don't like, I would probably mumble something like 'That seems a little much' and then go back to yelling at the screen when the Jeopardy! Judges tell someone they're wrong for mispronouncing 'gangster'

@user85795 when the 'correct' (standard for a couple hundred years is one thing (which is not letter for letter, but then people start pronouncing it letter for letter.

Eg pronouncing 'often' as /'awf ten/

Instead of the standard /'aw fen/

user 85795

🤔

Mitch

@alphabet Some people dislike the 'iron-ee' one. (Namely those who I attempted to convince otherwise.

@user85795 look it up

('often' not 'spelling pronunciation')

user 85795

ok, I will. But, the newest generation of English speaker may have to decide that

Mitch

02:12

@user85795 standards change.

alphabet

@Mitch I'm not sure which one is the spelling pronunciation there. The /ˈaɪ.ɚ.ni/ pronunciation is closer to that of the word "iron," but /ˈaɪ.ɹə.ni/ is closer to the spelling in putting a vowel between the 'r' and the 'n', and makes more etymological sense.

user 85795

@Mitch yes, slowly

alphabet

Out of date dictionaries–with native speakers from UK/USA/Australia!

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Mitch

Like /sæl mn/ instead of /sæmn/

alphabet

Dictionaries lie about which pronunciations are common/standard/correct.

Mitch

02:15

@alphabet or could just be outdated

Oh.

The title says that

alphabet

Incidentally, in the UK the vowel in cure has also changed--but there it turns into the vowel in force in all words, which is why the single greatest song by the single greatest British band in history rhymes the word "insecure" with "for" and "door."

Mitch

This sounds like a complaint from 20 years ago, but I trust a published encyclopedia or dictionary -way- more than wikipedia/Wiktionary

alphabet

(One of the few features of their accents that actually survives in their music.)

Mitch

02:39

For the longest time I thought Aerosmith was British.

By 'longest time' I mean 'still'.

user 85795

-_-

tchrist

03:57

@MetaEd Around here where we have a Coors plant in Golden and a Coors Field in Denver, you only ever hear it pronounced with the /u/ from coo. As though it were several cooers (people who coo) except as one syllable. Apple cores have /o/ but Coors beer has /u/.

Cohrs, though, is pronounced like cores. Coors certainly is not.

@Mitch The only difference between Coors and cures is the /j/. The rest is the same as Coo coo ca choo, baby.

Xanne

04:40

What happened to Laurel? She used to be quite active here.

alphabet

05:17

@tchrist This isn't true for me (and for plenty of other speakers), but I know tchrist can't see messages from raccoons.

Xanne

06:00

Anyway, I used to know Joe Coors. Before he died, of course. He pronounced his own name as @tchrist says.

CowperKettle

12:19

Word of the day:____ - this plant's name derives from obsolete French for "tobacco"

@Mitch I think that Wikipedia should institute full-time editors to weed out poorly researched work being stuffed in there.

Maybe the UN should collect funds for editors.

Or maybe create a UN-funded fork.

Mitch

14:27

@tchrist Yes, I was just saying the /j/ is very ... strong... and mislead.

But 'coo'? That sounds like 'roof' but not 'book' to me.

@Xanne I find that @laurel pops in every so often, usually related to some mod issue. Not every day but every week or so.

@CowperKettle It's a dilemma. The quality of some things on wikipedia is poor, but sometimes it is good, and it allows coverage of things you just wouldn't put in an 'edited' source, eg that awesome page on IPA of English dialects (which to be contrary, is probably full of typos/errors)

@CowperKettle yeah, maybe there should be more than one version of things. but that has its own difficulties.

tchrist

@Mitch The Coors family pronounces their own name with the /u/, and thus we must do so as well because they are the commanding authority on how their own name must be pronounced. Everyone else is wrong. :)

Also, roof and book have the same vowel: the one from put and could. :)

That's not the one in the Coors name.

Mitch

@CowperKettle The United Federation of Planets will probably have a separate one for each star system plus a combined one representing the federation.

tchrist

They've got the one from moon and coon and loom.

Mitch

@tchrist I pronounce 'roof' like 'moon'

tchrist

@Mitch I'm sorry to hear that.

Mitch

14:37

'roof' like 'book' sounds midwestern to me.

tchrist

In any case, you have to say Coors the way the family wants you to.

Mitch

@tchrist whoof

tchrist

@Mitch Cooks and kooks differ.

Don't shout the route.

Mitch

@tchrist That's the polite thing to do. As long as you're able.

tchrist

@Mitch Cain won.

Mitch

14:39

@tchrist and great minds think alike.

Lambie

@Mitch It's on the BBC news site, Mitchie.

Mitch

@Lambie Yeah..what's the direct link to the story?

just copy paste

Lambie

14:57

Yep, and you could have found it by now. bbc.com/future/article/…

Mitch

15:22

@Lambie 1) that's neat

2) when you posted your first message about it, you could have saved multiple people the effort of having to search for it by cut and pasting the link that you already had right in front of you. That's what other people do here.

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Michael Rybkin

16:54

Does anyone know what "practice consulting" really is? Google doesn't seem to be able to answer that question. I just can't find anything online that could clear this up for me.

M.A.R.

17:32

@MichaelRybkin you can use them as target practice if their advice is bad

Some Google results suggest 'practice' is used in the sense of 'medical practice'. IOW, they help doctors with managing their offices or something?

@Lambie sounds nice but a long way from a truly viable working solution

alphabet

Michael Rybkin

17:52

@M.A.R. I'm not sure. You see it then as a term that is not common in English?

CowperKettle

18:22

I don't think there is any meaning in this delivery work. I"ve been working for 102 days, sometimes 10 hours a day, 6 days a week, and I have zero rubles of savings.

And I still cannot focus to translate normally, and I cannot open private messages for weeks and months, because I cannot concentrate my attention and feel afraid of opening.

Laurel

@Xanne I'm around, but real life is limiting how much time I can dedicate to the site

user 85795

19:08

Thanks 🙏 for dropping by and saying "🤗 hello"

M.A.R.

@user85795 emojis 👣 yay 💯

user 85795

😎

M.A.R.

@CowperKettle how about just giving it a go? Just open your social media app and read the messages

@MichaelRybkin it sounds almost intentionally vague. Most people can't guess much what it is without further context.

Robusto

@MichaelRybkin Impossible to say without context.

user 85795

^

M.A.R.

19:20

It might be a phrase commonly used in some professional settings in one country (e.g. America)

user 85795

or idiomatic

vs "consulting practice"

or "the practice of consulting"

so what it "really" is depends on the reality of the context, as stated by rob

Google won't help you because there are too many possibilities to search for.

Robusto

19:39

#WhenTaken #106 (12.06.2024)

I scored 865/1000 🎉

1️⃣ 📍 5 km - 🗓️ 15 yrs - ⚡ 170 / 200
2️⃣ 📍 183 km - 🗓️ 1 yrs - ⚡ 192 / 200
3️⃣ 📍 21 km - 🗓️ 3 yrs - ⚡ 196 / 200
4️⃣ 📍 370 km - 🗓️ 27 yrs - ⚡ 115 / 200
5️⃣ 📍 167 km - 🗓️ 1 yrs - ⚡ 192 / 200

https://whentaken.com

Daily Octordle #870
8️⃣3️⃣
9️⃣🔟
7️⃣4️⃣
🕛🕚
Score: 64

jlliagre

#WhenTaken #106 (12.06.2024)

I scored 859/1000 🎉

1️⃣ 📍 57 km - 🗓️ 4 yrs - ⚡ 193 / 200
2️⃣ 📍 452 km - 🗓️ 27 yrs - ⚡ 113 / 200
3️⃣ 📍 9 km - 🗓️ 0 yrs - ⚡ 200 / 200
4️⃣ 📍 984 km - 🗓️ 8 yrs - ⚡ 160 / 200
5️⃣ 📍 3 km - 🗓️ 6 yrs - ⚡ 193 / 200

https://whentaken.com

Wordle 1,089 3/6

⬛⬛⬛⬛🟨
⬛🟨🟨⬛🟨
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩

Lambie

@M.A.R. After reading the article, I don't think it's that far away at all. It's more a question of will.

MetaEd

19:54

Wordle 1,090 3/6

🟨⬛🟨⬛🟩
🟩🟨⬛⬛🟩
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩

Lambie

@MichaelRybkin Without context, it's pretty hard to understand. However, consultants are often lone wolves; this could refer to consultants banding together to form a practice, often that would be in the form of an LLC.

jlliagre

Daily Octordle #870
4️⃣6️⃣
🔟8️⃣
5️⃣9️⃣
🕚7️⃣
Score: 60

MetaEd

@Mitch I very recently heard someone pronounce "fecal" a lot like "fissile", on the theory I suppose that "feces" has the soft S so "fecal" must also.

jlliagre

@MetaEd Already Thursday for you?

MetaEd

@jlliagre I'm playing from Kiribati, as far as you know :D

jlliagre

20:05

@MetaEd So they say fessal there :-)

MetaEd

@jlliagre if "feesal" is not idiosyncratic but regional, then I'd say Austin, Texas and St. Paul, Minnesota.

jlliagre

@MetaEd Fèces is almost never used orally in French, only in written form because it sounds exactly like fesses (buttocks).

MetaEd

@jlliagre I've "moved" eastward to the international date line, but I'm thinking of moving another few hours eastward more. Trying to get as far as possible from Numenor and the True West

cul apparently wasn't good enough for them

jlliagre

Different register.

Michael Rybkin

@M.A.R. Thank you.

@Robusto Thank you.

Robusto

20:16

@jlliagre So why doesn't my "spoiler" work?

jlliagre

He

That's a different syntax.

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Robusto

spoiler

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Ah. So the markdown is more sophisticated than I gave it credit for.

user 85795

A spoiler alert of a spoiler.

Robusto

spoiler

user 85795

Spare the rod, spoil the child.

user 85795

20:41

Spare the alert, spoil the spoiler.

@CowperKettle there are apps available to rebuild your attention span out there.

jlliagre

> He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.

Daily Sequence Octordle #870
4️⃣7️⃣
8️⃣9️⃣
🔟🕐
⓮⓯
Score: 80

Robusto

21:00

Daily Sequence Octordle #870
5️⃣6️⃣
7️⃣8️⃣
9️⃣🕛
🕐⓮
Score: 74

Mitch

21:27

@MetaEd So then how's the weather there?

MetaEd

@Mitch Christmasy.

Mitch

@jlliagre what's the formal version of merde then?

@MetaEd Huh

MetaEd

@Mitch because honestly I was thinking of Kiritimati, not Kiribati.

Mitch

@MetaEd Oh. I wasn't thinking at all of Kiritimati.

I'm still not thinking of it. I don't know what that is.

Is it related to a Kiwi opera singer?

MetaEd

@Mitch no, no, not Kiri Te Kanawa. You're thinking of that Dutch clockmaker.

Mitch

21:33

In tangentially unrelated news, I kinda miss 'The Christmas Tree Shop'. You never know when you'll get a hankering for kitchen table placemats of all the presidents of the US or scented candles like Ben and Jerry's ice cream.

jlliagre

@Mitch Les fèces is definitely formal but a doctor would say les selles (metonymy from aller à la selle: "go on the saddle").

Mitch

@MetaEd No no not Gerrit van der Hey. You're thinking of that 1970's teen idol.

MetaEd

who?

googles furiously

Mitch

@jlliagre A not uncommon word for shit in a medical context in English is 'stool'.

As in 'please deposit your stool sample in the convenient plastic container for analysis'

jlliagre

@Mitch Yes, similar.

Mitch

21:39

@MetaEd Well, that's what I did too.

I don't know no Dutch clockmakers.

MetaEd

I was thinking of Corrie ten Boom.

Mitch

@jlliagre And 'bowel movement' for shitting.

@MetaEd Oh.

Two new Dutch clockmakers to me now.

MetaEd

the secret is, they're ALL clockmakers

Mitch

Boom!

Hey!

Leeuwenhoek?

MetaEd

anyway, we can't possibly be talking about Eddie van Halen. You were maybe thinking of the pearl jam guy.

Mitch

21:45

nah. Leif Garret.

jlliagre

Bristol stool scale

The Bristol stool scale is a diagnostic medical tool designed to classify the form of human faeces into seven categories. It is used in both clinical and experimental fields. It was developed at the Bristol Royal Infirmary as a clinical assessment tool in 1997, and is widely used as a research tool to evaluate the effectiveness of treatments for various diseases of the bowel, as well as a clinical communication aid; including being part of the diagnostic triad for irritable bowel syndrome. == Interpretation == The seven types of stool are: Type 1: Separate hard lumps, like nuts (difficult to pass...

Mitch

21:59

@jlliagre Chocolate preparation stages?

jlliagre

Sort of.

Mitch

Raisinets, Babe Ruth, Turtles, Tootsie Rolls, mini Tootsie rools, Rollos, Butterscotch.

To be clear, there's no chocolate in butterscotch, it's just a stage in sugar heating.

Cerberus

22:11

I thought it also contained coffee or something?

@M.A.R. Makes sense.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected (78): Person who says they want to help, but doesn't want to do it when asked ✏️‭ by FaustTSFL‭ on english.SE

Criggie

Are Urban Dictionary definiotions permitted? I mean sometimnes its the best option available for slang, but for boring words like "flakey" ?

MetaEd

Urban Dictionary is not a reliable lexicon. It's basically Wiktionary with no editors. It's the Wild West.

tchrist

That was very rude. I've deleted it. We do not need that tone here.

MetaEd

An answer can certainly cite Urban Dictionary but the answer would have to defend that choice.

Criggie

22:23

yeah - a quick google for a definition returns lots of pastery etc.

tchrist

It was also misspelt.

There is no E in that word.

This is again because they don't teach our children how to "drop the silent E when adding suffixes" anymore. So they can't spell.

Mitch

@tchrist If you're going to insult someone you better durn well spell it right.

@tchrist now I'm trying to imagine what the word you deleted could possible have been

I saw that

tchrist

@Mitch y

Could possibley have been. Get with the program.

Mitch

@Criggie Everything is -permitted-. But the reader will judge. UD is great for motivation, but not a reliable reference.

@tchrist I was on another screen when you deleted whatever

MetaEd

@tchrist offers @tchrist a potatoe

tchrist

22:28

We don't need that sort of coarse language here, particularly when nothing demands it be used in the explanation.

Criggie

correct - sometimes specifc words are needed, but in this case not really necessary.

Mitch

@MetaEd I always find it disturbing when served fingerling potatoes.

@Criggie writing -about- taboo-spectrum language is totally on-topic. Using it is deletable.

and swoosh I'm off

alphabet

22:43

@MetaEd They even take contributions from raccoons.

I should invent some more words to contribute.

Criggie

23:17

yeah that's kinda what I meant. There's a difference between asking the etymology of the word "bitch" and using the word circumstantially/unnecessarily.
Original point was more about using UD as a reference.

mmmm pastry. Now I want a pie

Mari-Lou A

23:46

Hello.

I'd like to draw the mods' attention to a post that was vandalised by a reputable user.

Cerberus

I object! I am not reputable!

Mari-Lou A

@andrewleach I have flagged it, but I feel flabbergasted that any user, with that experience and "pedigree",for want of a better word, could have possibly thought that the definition they selected would have been acceptable OR even believed for one second that it actually improved the answer.

@tchrist As a result the answer was deleted, through no fault of the author.

Criggie

@Mari-LouA Which post ?

That deleted one mentioned a couple hours ago, about "Flaky" ?

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