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12:04 AM
A link would be interesting.
12:25 AM
@Cerberus ...that's because you're not reputable, according to an unreliable source.
Reputable people would not find it interesting?
Like yourself?
I'm at work - I'm clearly ineligible at this time.
@Cerberus Almost certainly this one, which was first edited by a certain high-rep user, then edited again by Mari-Lou A: english.stackexchange.com/posts/623438/revisions
Yah its gone - I don't have the rep to see it.
Based on the homepage, it was the same question about "flaky"
Ahh that.
Oh, well.
12:39 AM
Yes, the "flaky" one. Greybeard edited it to add the definition from UD, presumably so that it would comply with our rule saying that those sorts of answers need to cite sources.
I can't say I'm bothered.
But that definition is very low-quality and includes lots of pointless obscenities and off-topic invective.
Merriam-Webster also defines that term, and it's a much more reliable source than UD, so Mari-Lou A correctly edited it to include that definition (while also citing a different UD answer ).
Really nobody should ever have edited it in the first place. The right answer is to leave a comment reminding the answerer to include citations from reliable sources (and maybe downvote it) so that they don't do it again.
But if you were going to edit it, you should only cite Merriam-Webster or a similar source; if you can find an adequate in a professionally edited dictionary, there's no need to resort to Urban Dictionary or Wiktionary or Your Own Personal Opinions like some people do.
(Insert my usual rant about how, on ELL, native speakers like to make up "facts" about the connotations/meanings of specific words based on their own personal tastes, with their reasoning being "I'm a native speaker, trust me bro.")
(That happens less often on ELU, thankfully, since people people don't tend to assume that they're experts, whereas lots of ELL users seem to think that speaking a language natively makes you an automatic expert in teaching it to impressionable EFL students.)
(Did you know that, if you put something in parentheses, it makes it seem more innocuous and uncontroversial? By the way, Casey Anthony is innocent.)
1:03 AM
I’m noy bothered either. Flag (if you want to bother) and forget.
not
But I am amazed at some substantive errors on ELL that could be avoided by looking up facts.
1:58 AM
@alphabet OK OK.
@alphabet Observed.
2:21 AM
What is the origin of the idiom "to hate somebody's guts"? It's quite funny how to really really hate someone, you have to hate his/her lungs, liver, and intestines. Or does "guts" mean something else than viscera?
Or maybe it is related to the idiom "gut's feelings"?
@user402514 Don't try to be so literal. To hate someone's guts means to hate that person intensely, just as to sweat/work one's guts out means to work extremely hard.
It's been used metaphorically in various ways since the 1500s.
Here are some twencen citations....
But yes, this is all originally the viscera.
gut also relates to catgut which is connected to fishing line
Something serving an alternate purpose
Yes, but it's still intestinal.
In Greek, you can hate someone with your liver, your spleen, your kidneys, your heart...
Just not your brain.
> The contents of the abdominal cavity; the bowels, entrails. Formerly, but not now, in dignified use with reference to humans.
2:32 AM
I hate people with my eyeballs, when they send me screenshots inside a DOCX file.
@tchrist I'm not trying to be anything. Just asking for origin stories with no precontext.
It's an old, old word. An Old English glossary glosses it via Latin: Viscerum receptacula, guttas, innoþas, and-fencgas.
But the image with dates and quotes is helpful, thanks.
It’s related to the Old English verb géotan meaning to pour.
Remember we speak of having the guts to do something.
A gutter drains off water, pours it out.
But that one we took from French.
2:48 AM
@Criggie also using taboo or offensive language in a quote to give context for another word is highly frowned upon. Only use shocking language if it is necessary -in the example- for illumination. Gratuitous offense is deletable
@Mari-LouA I've noticed lately that that user's answers are not of the best quality Which is to say I am not as surprised as you. Gratuitous offensive language though should be removed.
3:50 AM
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5:03 AM
Which would you describe 29°C as, hot or cold?
That's the desired temperature that I've set my A/C to, so
Mildly uncomfortable.
5:19 AM
depends what you're used to in your culture. That would be stankingly hot for me, but someone in the desert might find it cool and refreshing.
Also- you say AC so its probably cooling DOWN to that temp
That was the outside temperature here today and I hate it. I have my AC set at 72F (22C).
 
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7:02 AM
It's always saddening whenever I remind of that the nearest McDonald's is over 20 kilometers away. That's about one hour on public transports.
Whose fault is this, the company or the government?
20 km? so 40 minutes on a bike
7:19 AM
Over 20km. I think 25km is more accurate.
8:06 AM
@tchrist Thank you!
 
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10:40 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad ip for hostname in answer, bad ns for domain in answer, blacklisted website in answer, potentially bad keyword in answer (276): Plural or singular of 'case study'‭ by Michael Haydon‭ on english.SE
 
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1:19 PM
236
Q: "log in to" or "log into" or "login to"

John SiracusaWhen writing an instruction about connecting to a computer using ssh, telnet, etc., I'm not sure what spacing to use in this familiar spoken phrase: "Log in to host.com" "Log into host.com" "Login to host.com" Maybe this is entirely subjective or the realm of industry jargon, but I couldn't t...

And?
I wonder if it's time to revisit this question. Verbing nouns has a long history in English, and in the 14 years since this question was asked and answered the language has changed noticeably.
Because you loginned yesterday?
I myself would use "log in" but I see "login" verbed quite a lot.
What's its past tense?
1:21 PM
At the same time I am torn between acceptance and rejection.
I see things like that "alot" too, but we nonetheless recommend you not write that one as one word, either.
My internal grammar meter winces every time I see something like that, but then our entire EL&U posture has shifted to kind of a "whatever people say" linguistics permissiveness.
I dunno.
When the third person singular of to login become he logins daily and the past tense becomes he loginned yesterday, then it is a verb. Otherwise, so long as it remains he logs in daily and he logged in daily, it is not one of those.
Alright.
See what I did there?
Conceded?
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Q: abǽde in context: which verb and inflectional form?

blokemanI'd like to know what verb and which inflectional form abǽde is in the sentence below. The passage is from one of Ælfric's homilies. A translation is available online, but it doesn't look literal enough for me to trust. Þa wearð him geswutelod þæt he æt Gode abǽde, þæt on ælces geares ymbryne, y...

Go play with Bosworth.
1:27 PM
@tchrist No. Normally I would write "all right"; but "alright" has been making huge gains recently. So much so that I feel "all right" is an emblem I wear which stands for truth, justice, and the American way coming from my mouth, but which others see as a sign that I am an old fogey.
I knew what you did.
I suspected so.
Curve balls are the root of all wit and humor.
> I don't want to runout of sugar. My sister always runouts of sugar when she bakes, but I haven't runouted for a long time.
Spacing is mere convention. You have to look at grammar, or rather hear it, to know what's really going on.
@tchrist Well, but sometimes the written word influences pronunciation—wrongly.
"Login" comes from people making sure a computer will understand "log in" ...
Another example: Whenever I hear someone pronounce "long-lived" with the pronunciation of the past tense of "live" I die a little inside. And on the occasions—rare though they are—that someone does pronounce it to rhyme with "thrived" I feel a little frisson of exitement. It's like being a ham radio operator scanning the dial for someone else on his wavelength and after many hours or days finally getting a hit.
Like how once you end of life some piece of code, it's been end of lived.
Although that one's /laivd/.
1:36 PM
@tchrist Rhymes with thrived.
Not with livid.
"His joy was short-lived." 99 out of 100 people will pronounce that wrong. Which sounds like something a linguist would skewer me for, but it is a standard of righteousness that I cleave to.
You're just going to incite lawn invasions.
His joy was short- /laivd/
@tchrist inorite
Forgive them their trespasses?
Urchins.
1:50 PM
My cats have killed three birds in the past two weeks.
And one died after flying into our all-glass slider.
Makes me sad.
@tchrist OK I get it now. It bugs me to no end to see 'storey' and 'chocolatey'. I don't know what's right any more.
@Robusto You can't blame them for doing their job well.
Well, maybe you can, but then you'd have to talk to their union representtaive.
@Mitch My wife and I are the ones who need union representation.
@Robusto Don't talk to HR. They'll record your conversation and use it against you.
Cats are fierce and rapacious creatures. Almost like billionaire capitalists.
@Robusto I've given up on the 'all right' battle.
@Robusto If people were maybe 1/3 of our usual size we'd be prey.
1:59 PM
Well, maybe 1/10th.
I remember a Dagwood cartoon that my ancient English teacher had on his class door in ancient times (1970's). In the cartoon one panel had "Alright, all ready".
He was posting it to show that spelling in cartoons was awful.
@Robusto I think cats can be a little ambitious.
From the '60s. So people were doing it way back then.
@Robusto Who are those guys?
That's ancient.
Are they still alive?
If it is 'a bunch of old fogies' then it must be 'one old fogy'
It seems a bit vacuous but it also rankles me that people tend to spell it nowadays as 'woah'
@Mitch Yes.
2:31 PM
I appreciate what linguists do, but sometimes I think they overreach. Lawler used to remind us—frequently and, I feel, somewhat disingenuously—that linguists are only concerned with spoken language, and yet the vast majority of what people use these days is written. Linguists wouldn't even know about the language history upon which they deduce all the proto-language if it weren't for writing.
Hell, this whole site is entirely written. I rest my case.
2:46 PM
@Robusto snort
3:21 PM
#WhenTaken #107 (13.06.2024)

I scored 879/1000 🎉

1️⃣ 📍 4 km - 🗓️ 6 yrs - ⚡ 193 / 200
2️⃣ 📍 2 km - 🗓️ 20 yrs - ⚡ 155 / 200
3️⃣ 📍 1261 km - 🗓️ 2 yrs - ⚡ 163 / 200
4️⃣ 📍 174.2 metres - 🗓️ 2 yrs - ⚡ 198 / 200
5️⃣ 📍 6 km - 🗓️ 15 yrs - ⚡ 170 / 200

https://whentaken.com
Wordle 1,090 4/6

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Daily Octordle #871
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Daily Sequence Octordle #871
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3:38 PM
#WhenTaken #107 (13.06.2024)

I scored 930/1000 🎉

1️⃣ 📍 505.7 metres - 🗓️ 4 yrs - ⚡ 196 / 200
2️⃣ 📍 535.5 metres - 🗓️ 9 yrs - ⚡ 187 / 200
3️⃣ 📍 704 km - 🗓️ 1 yrs - ⚡ 178 / 200
4️⃣ 📍 23.4 metres - 🗓️ 1 yrs - ⚡ 199 / 200
5️⃣ 📍 3 km - 🗓️ 15 yrs - ⚡ 170 / 200

https://whentaken.com
@Robusto Spoiler
@jlliagre inorite
 
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5:07 PM
@Robusto PIE was never written down.
@tchrist No, but it was deduced from languages that were written down.
What would we know of Old English had nothing been written down?
Unless you can find voice recordings from the 9th and 10th centuries, a very few fragments of OE are all we have.
What would we know of Ancient Egyptian had the Rosetta Stone never been discovered?
@tchrist Shall I take your silence for assent?
5:52 PM
@tchrist Someone migrated that question on "confusion about complex sentences" from ELU to ELL, and then again (a different mod?) to Linguistics. That makes it look like the comment by one person saying traditional grammar does not belong "on this website" refers to Linguistics when in fact it was made yesterday on ELL. That commenter also said I was a non-native speaker of English. What a hoot. What a clever manipulation all that is. [Ugh]
6:09 PM
@Lambie always give a link to make it easier for anybody who is interested.
But yeah that was a weird situation.
BillJ was veering towards the flaggable.
(not for the NNS swipe but that was definitely a sign of the heat of his comments)
@Robusto no for network outages and work firefighting
Tangentially, sometimes it is very appropriate to tone police.
@Mitch Like sending them to the gym?
@tchrist ugh...the people -in- the gym that do it. If I wanted advice on my form I'd go to HR Block.
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Q: confusion around what constitutes a complex sentence

user45524What type of sentences would the following be considered: they all have multiple clauses so would they be considered complex? 'I don't like cooking ready meals.' 'I don't like to cook ready meals' 'What I wish for them is the same I wish for you'. 'I believe that I won it' They are arbitrary exam...

That's so on-topic for ELU it hurts.
Complex sentences are just like real ones but also include imaginary parts.
7:04 PM
@tchrist Always inhibitory of random colloquy.
If you're an NYT subscriber, you might enjoy John McWhorter's quasi-weekly columns where he explores "how race and language shape our politics and culture." (Only available as a newsletter.)
 
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10:33 PM
Wordle 1,090 4/6

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Daily Octordle #871
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Octordle refuses 'ASIAN'?
Daily Sequence Octordle #871
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10:58 PM
@Robusto I wonder why photo#5 is that grainy. That probably led both of us to choose a year that was too early.
11:10 PM
@Mitch He has a history of this and has, I believe, been suspended from ELL at least once for an extended period of time.
@jlliagre I think it someone put some kind of filter on it.
I don't know what's going on with him, but he often displays extremely erratic and aggressive behavior, including highly personal attacks that serve no constructive purpose.
What's your fav oxymoron? Mine is "clopen", a term in topology.
> Ðá sendon hý tuá heora ǽrendracan to Rómánum æfter friðe; and hit abiddan ne mihtan.
Those same humans who "rescued" him will also be the ones who will refuse to recognize his right to vote or afford him the protections of vehicular homicide law.

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