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His all-conquering love adore - I don't understand the phrasing of this. "Adore" is what exactly here? A verb?
Likewise, is it you who is supposed to bring praise and laud and honour to the holy name of Jesus? Are they addressing you? Am I understanding it correctly?
00:51
@MichaelRybkin "Adore" is an imperative. Normally it would occur before the object "his all-conquering love," but these sorts of translated religious texts are rather archaic/formal/literary.
Likewise "bring" is an imperative, whose object "praise and laud and honor" has been preposed to the start of the clause.
Essentially this is the same as a sentence like "I don't know about her, but him I trust," where the object "him" gets preposed before "I trust"--it's just that here it's getting preposed before an imperative verb.
You won't see this particular sort of usage much outside of texts like this one.
01:12
@alphabet oh that makes sense. I couldn't figure that one out
@MichaelRybkin the normal word order is inverted for poetry. No one naturally speaks like that.
Religious hymns love to do that ort of thing, it sounds really fancy
People say that English doesn't really have a fixed word order because of examples like this. That fact that no one really talks like this is more evidence that the word order is pretty fixed
English has a fixed "default" word order--but there are many constructions that break it.
@alphabet Thank you very much.
@Mitch Thank you very much too.
01:49
I'm gonna have lunch at KFC today.
02:40
@Mitch You're again forgetting that this word order was once pretty common.
Word of the day: marital aid. An extremely old-fashioned euphemism for sex toy.
> With this ring, I thee wed.
> Till death do us part.
Dutch and German retain this. English uses it but rarely now.
In syntax, verb-second (V2) word order is a sentence structure in which the finite verb of a sentence or a clause is placed in the clause's second position, so that the verb is preceded by a single word or group of words (a single constituent). Examples of V2 in English include (brackets indicating a single constituent): "Neither do I", "[Never in my life] have I seen such things" If English used V2 in all situations, then it would feature such sentences like: "*[In school] learned I about animals", "*[When she comes home from work] takes she a nap" V2 word order is common in the Germani...
Go read that.
> Modern English differs greatly in word order from other modern Germanic languages, but earlier English shared many similarities. For this reason, some scholars propose a description of Old English with V2 constraint as the norm. The history of English syntax is thus seen as a process of losing the constraint. [...] Thus Old English is classified, to some extent, as an SOV language.
I'll let you analyze Macbeth shall never vanquished be until / Great Birnam Wood to high Dunsinane Hill / Shall come against him on your own.
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A: Is it correct to place the adjective before 'is/was'?

tchristYes, it's just fine. This device strengthens the writing when used judiciously. Literary you may call it,* but it is not unusual in English in any way. Here’s the longer explanation, with references and citations. Intransitive verbs that accept as their complement a predicative adjective describ...

@MichaelRybkin This word order is very common in hymns like this one. Musically, the end of a line is a cadence and thus an important place. Placing a verb there (where the note duration is longer and thus remains in the mind longer) indirectly asks the congregation to DO something. So yes, it's the reader / singer who is supposed to adore.
02:56
@GratefulDisciple A fine point indeed.
@GratefulDisciple Thanks a lot for this valuable remark.
Could you please tell me if this sentence sounds fine to you as native speakers?

I hereby resign from my position as intern, effective immediately, in order to pursue a new career as a senior engineer.
@MichaelRybkin It's perfectly fine.
@MichaelRybkin If that's a tombstone, then it represents the dead person's state of mind as he/she passes on to the next realm, and invites the people who visited the tombstone (family, friends, passersby) to reflect and prepare for their own mortality from the point of view of Christianity. Using familiar hymnic language naturally provides continuity to the church's worship practice, which the living are still doing.
@MichaelRybkin You're very welcome. I'm raised in an older-hymn singing church, so this kind of language is natural for me, at least at church, although I of course don't use this word order in colloquial settings :-).
@GratefulDisciple Same.
Some more famous examples: "Blessed is the man who trusts in the lord," "Black is the color of my true love's hair," "Bright are the stars that shine dark is the sky", "Late is the hour in which this conjurer chooses to appear", "All mimsy were the borogroves." — Peter Shor May 23, 2022 at 10:08
A fixed default seems to verge on the oxymoronic, but comes up in programming.
03:05
I was trying to find whether the verse is taken from the hymn, couldn't find it. The key line is "He alone has won the victory [over death]" meaning Jesus is the first fruit of the resurrection of the body to which all of us want to partake as well.
> Did we in our own strength confide
Our striving would be losing
Were not the right Man on our side
The Man of God's own choosing
Dost ask who that may be?
OF course Luther wrote in German, but that's the traditional translation of that hymn.
@tchrist Yes, from Luther's A Mighty Fortress, but third line should be "were not the right Man on our side"
Oh duh yes.
I don't know that people realize that that dost there is second person for doth ("does"), homophone with dust.
"Thou dost, he doth"
"Dost thou ask" = "Do you ask"
03:21
@tchrist Yes, when I was little I used to be stumped on what that means.
@tchrist Consistent with a slightly more modern translation here: "You ask who that may be?"
The last line of verse 2 includes the victory over death alluded in the tombstone, also made more explicit in verse 4. I notice that many hymns have their last verse talk about the next life.
> A daughter from the high society potato family makes an announcement at dinner
"I'm getting married."

"That's wonderful," mother potato says. "What kind of potato is he?"

"He's an Idaho potato," the daughter answers.

"Oh that's wonderful," the mother says "Idahos are fine taters, fine taters indeed."

The second eldest daughter says "I'm getting married too."

Again mother says "that's wonderful news. Who is he?"

"He's a Russett," the daughter answers.

"Fabulous," the mother says. "Russetts are fine high class taters, fine taters indeed."
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04:59
errr - muscles make up 0.001% of cells in a body ? Seems kinda low, unless they're really large individually ?
@CowperKettle I had to google who Wolf Blitzer is for that to make sense, then I realised what the joke was.
 
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06:47
Is this a good French translation?
@jlliagre
 
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The Sorbian languages (Upper Sorbian: serbska rěč, Lower Sorbian: serbska rěc) are the Upper Sorbian language and Lower Sorbian language, two closely related and partially mutually intelligible languages spoken by the Sorbs, a West Slavic ethno-cultural minority in the Lusatia region of Eastern Germany. They are classified under the West Slavic branch of the Indo-European languages and are therefore closely related to the other two West Slavic subgroups: Lechitic and Czech–Slovak. Historically, the languages have also been known as Wendish (named after the Wends, the earliest Slavic people in modern...
A Slavic language in Germany, still holding on, just barely.
> "Quercetin increased the proportion of NK cells, without affecting T or B cells, and improved cognitive performance. Depletion of NK cells significantly reduces cognitive ability in mice." immunityageing.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/…
11:23
@CowperKettle Parrot is upgraded with GPT 4
 
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12:31
@CowperKettle It's a good free adaptation more than a translation.
@jlliagre Ah! Merci!
Wordle 1,059 4/6

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He grew up in New Zealand, but sang in French
Graeme Allwright (7 November 1926 – 16 February 2020) was a New Zealand-born French singer and songwriter. He became popular in the 1960s and 1970s as a French language interpreter of the songs of American and Canadian songwriters such as Leonard Cohen, Bob Dylan, and Pete Seeger, and remained active into his nineties. == Life and career == === Early life === Born in Wellington, New Zealand, Allwright grew up in Hāwera before attending Wellington College. While growing up he heard jazz and American folk songs on radio broadcasts for US troops stationed at Paekākāriki and Tītahi Bay, ...
> He lived in Blois, where he worked in a psychiatric hospital, and then settled in Dieulefit where he taught English and started a children's theatre group. He discovered an aptitude for translation while adapting New Zealand stories into French for his students, and then, after moving to Saint-Étienne, began translating American songs into French.
> In the early 1960s he began performing in small clubs in Paris, where he met fellow singer Colette Magny and the actor and singer Marcel Mouloudji, who were impressed with Allwright's ability to adapt the lyrics of writers such as Bob Dylan and Leonard Cohen into French.[1]
A true talent
> In 2005, the Fillon law imposed the learning of the lyrics of La Marseillaise in all schools in France. Upon learning of this, and judging the words of the Marseillaise “warlike” and “racist”, Graeme Allwright was “shocked” that these “terrible words” could be taught to young children at school.
> He then proposed new lyrics for the French national anthem, and recorded a version with Sylvie Dien. Since then, he has campaigned for the lyrics of La Marseillaise to be changed.
13:08
@Criggie cells are of such variety that nobody bothers about what constitutes a cell and what doesn't. But yeah, muscle "cells" tend to be pretty large, if a "cell" is defined as a structure confined to a semipermeable membrane beyond which is interstitial fluid.
The typical depiction of a cell suits epithelial cells well.
Farewell, Mallorca.
It took us 30 hours to get home, almost half that at one airport.
@CowperKettle Ha! 'Common tater'. It took me while to get it :-)
13:30
@CowperKettle He was probably shocked by Qu'un sang impur abreuve nos sillons: Let an impure blood water our furrows.
@jlliagre There's one instance in the English language of the use of the word sillion that I know of - in The Windhover by Gerard Manley Hopkins
> No wonder of it: shéer plód makes plough down sillion
Shine, and blue-bleak embers, ah my dear,
Fall, gall themselves, and gash gold-vermilion.
@CowperKettle Who was quite the coiner of words.
@CowperKettle Microsillon translates to 'microgroove' (single/LP records).
13:48
@jlliagre Sillion is a concatenation of silliness.
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Daily Octordle #840
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14:57
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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, pattern-matching website in body, potentially bad asn for hostname in body (288): What does it mean when someone says "are you interested to join as call boy job Hyderabad"‭ by Raju‭ on english.SE
@Robusto Both of us were fooled by #4.
Autoflagged FP: flagged by @SmokeDetector, @Rubiksmoose, @EricC
@jlliagre Yes. Also at least one too obvious clue which turned out to be a red herring.
I was totally fooled by #5.
15:09
@SmokeDetector At first I thought "call boy job" might be a hilarious mistake by a non-native speaker. But the post is actually either (a) a non-native speaker who got a very unexpected offer or (b) more likely, a piece of spam disguised as a question.
I do want to know why someone hiring "male escorts" would want to see a CV (?!) and have you agree to "terms and conditions" (?!)
Hmm, NYT Spelling Bee won't take cyclonic. Buncha stuffed shirts there, what?
I'm not even sure if the escort business exists, or if it's just a scam to get guys to pay to sign up for what they think will be a job getting paid to sleep with women.
> In 1976, Barry Kidston, a 23-year-old chemistry Maryland graduate student, synthesized MPPP (Meperidine or Demerol) incorrectly and injected the result. It was contaminated with MPTP, and within three days he began exhibiting symptoms of Parkinson's disease.
(I made the mistake of following the link in the question to find out.)
@Robusto They probably think you mystiped cyclopic. OED attests to it.
15:16
@tchrist No P in the letter corral today.
Is there even a robust market for women paying men for sex? One would think most women could get it for free without too much trouble.
@alphabet The dipolar flow generally flows in one direction, yes.
And of course NYT won't accept lyricon.
The Lyricon is an electronic wind instrument, the first wind controller to be constructed. Invented by Bill Bernardi (and co-engineered by Roger Noble and with the late Lyricon performer Chuck Greenberg), filed for patent on October 5, 1971, by Computone Inc., patented under #US3767833 October 23, 1973 and then manufactured by Computone Inc. in Massachusetts in the early 1970s. The first Lyricon was completed in 1974 with Tom Scott being the first customer for the instrument. The Lyricon was available in two designs, the first being somewhat silver and resembling a soprano saxophone and the latter...
@jlliagre Me too. Found a rather different version with more word plays (only one daughter, including her college adventure) but with the same punch line although older (Walter Cronkite).
NYT holds onto their vocabulary in that game like it was money, each word on the debit side of their ledger.
I suppose you could call them parse-imonious.
And for shame, because lyricon would be a pangram.
16:05
Why are people wrong on ELU? It's really annoying.
 
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18:14
@alphabet That would be a "gigolo"
@Criggie Do you ride mainly rode, mountain, or gravel?
mostly road - I do a 27 km commute, takes just under an hour most days.
Best time was 40 minutes, worst was about 90 excluding any breakdowns.
@Criggie Yeah, I'm a roadster too. I just got back from a bicycle holiday in Mallorca. It was fantastic.
@Criggie The ad actually uses the word "gigolo." I wouldn't've guessed that term was popular in Hyderabad.
@alphabet Maybe it's a hustle for prostitution.
"Fancy yourself a stud? Here are a whole lotta luscious ladies looking for love!" Not mentioned is the price.
Lest we forget the movie the American Gigolo.
circa 1980
@user70432 David Lee Roth covered that one too:
indeed 👍
18:52
@user70432 In 1980 it seemed old-fashioned, like 1920's.
sex sells
Insects sail
money talks
Italians gesture
@Mitch More like 1915:
"I Ain't Got Nobody" (sometimes referred to as "I'm So Sad and Lonely" or "I Ain't Got Nobody Much") is a popular song copyrighted in 1915. Roger A. Graham (1885–1938) wrote the lyrics, Spencer Williams composed it, and Roger Graham Music Publishing published it. It was first recorded by Marion Harris, and became a perennial standard, recorded many times over the following generations, in styles ranging from pop to jazz to country music. The 2008 film Be Kind Rewind uses the version recorded by Booker T. & the M.G.'s, although two covers were recorded for the film as well: a piano solo version...
18:57
@Robusto Well yeah, that's when I first heard it.
Don't forget all the '80s pop music references in that video: Michael Jackson, Boy George, even Smokey the Bear, I think.
@Mitch You first heard it in 1915? Interesting.
I'm sensing a theme
Michael Jackson turned out to be a pedofile.
18:59
@Robusto Those rocking teens!
@user70432 The court system says no.
Ya know there's an area of YouTube that is instructive and educational and wholesome.
It is very small.
very tiny and hard to find
@Mitch Yeah. We don't feature those in this chat, though.
19:06
@Robusto CHALLENGE ACCEPTED
@user70432 Whoa dude that's a little racy
@Robusto Wow those lyrics
Trippy, huh?
19:10
coolio
I mean maybe it would fly as a New Yorker insert?
But not a Mother's day card.
Pfft. The New Yorker is so all up its own ass these days.
By the way, Happy Mother's Day! to anyone who practices that.
@Robusto I've learned that the titles to their articles, while not exactly click bait, don't often get answered
click temptations
Even the science articles (which are otherwise excellent).
@user70432 punch supremes
19:14
Quanta mag has the best science articles, imo.
Most of the New Yorker articles are, and bear with me for a moment, like ChatGPT produce, but rewritten with style.
I'm trying to diss both New Yorker and ChatGPT, neither of which I could do myself bub.
@user70432 In principle I think Quanta is the new Scientific American (of the 60's-80's).
In practice I have a hard time getting through the articles.
The math articles... I end up not knowing anything after reading them, and have to rely on the blurbs or twitter comments to get what they are supposed to mean.
Yeah, it requires a different type of reading.
@Mitch Too late. M-Day (for short) is too short to extend into The Day After M-Day.
They take a lot of time and energy.
@Robusto Assume a 'belated'
@Robusto Maybe I should go to Facebook then.
Haha kidding I would never do that.
19:22
Instagram?
@Mitch You don't have to go to Facebook. Facebook always comes to you.
@user70432 I just followed it on twitter. We'll see how long I last.
@user70432 I don't have any pictures to post, and I don't care for other people's pictures.
On twitter, there are animals falling over. I can't get enough of that.
@Robusto Yeah. They don't care if you visit them or not, they have data on you.
Died in 1995? They got you.
Future parents not even thinking of being future parents? They got you.
Alternate worlds like the one where a separate letter form for 'j' never caught on? They got it.
Worlds where elementary physical constants are changed by 1 at the 10^(-12) significant digit? Done.
@Mitch Jeopardy style: Who was Albert Einstein?
A world where FB/IG/Discord/Twitter said no worries it's OK we don't keep your data? Nope.
-12^0 done
19:28
0^0 one
undefined done
@Robusto Huh. He was a lot older than I thought.
@user70432 Seg fault: division by zero
OK, where does 0 = -17.778?
I don't know, Stanley, where -does- 0 = -17.778?
@Mitch Now we do seg_faults much faster than that.
19:32
@Robusto Just wait.
I mean the design is theoretically correct.
@Mitch 0 °F = -17.778 °C
@Robusto slaps forehead
Slap it again. You deserve it.
pronounced /'faw red/
seg_fault is bad enough, but what you really don't want is a smegma_fault
19:34
@Robusto coughs
0 = 32
0 = 273.15
I knew you'd exhaust the joke.
stop for a moment I'm still working on the first one
19:37
You need to get rid of that mechanical calculator. It's slowing you down.
zero is no joking matter
Well, the Japanese Zero wasn't.
@Robusto cripes that's hard. 160/9 = ???? I can't do that!
it is the gateway to all the negatives
Negative numbers never say anything nice to anybody.
19:39
anybody -> nobody
-3^2 ≠ 9
to be fair, positive numbers aren't very talkative either
Cancel body from both sides and you get any -> no
@Mitch No, but at least they're nice about it.
-3^0 ≠ 1
45 mins ago, by Robusto
"I Ain't Got Nobody" (sometimes referred to as "I'm So Sad and Lonely" or "I Ain't Got Nobody Much") is a popular song copyrighted in 1915. Roger A. Graham (1885–1938) wrote the lyrics, Spencer Williams composed it, and Roger Graham Music Publishing published it. It was first recorded by Marion Harris, and became a perennial standard, recorded many times over the following generations, in styles ranging from pop to jazz to country music. The 2008 film Be Kind Rewind uses the version recorded by Booker T. & the M.G.'s, although two covers were recorded for the film as well: a piano solo version...
19:42
@Mitch That is becoming your favorite song.
@Robusto You'll get no argument from me there.
Rescued from oblivion and negativity.
BTW, Yoplait rhymes with Noh Play.
Additive inversivity
Yo! Play?
No play.
And here we are, through the looking glass and going down a rabbit hole.
Once again.
But once again is two, ne?
@Robusto True story: in high school, for some random school theater production, I played in an entr'acte entertainment whose title was 'Jolson 2'. I did some softshoe and some lipsynching of Al Jolson songs.
But the makeup? Well, just like Al Jolson.
19:48
@tchrist Thank you.
@Mitch You can never be a politician in the US now.
@Robusto OK man we got it you're a mathematician.
@Robusto Exactly.
Whew!
@GratefulDisciple Thank you
42 mins ago, by Mitch
@user70432 Whoa dude that's a little racy
@user70432 No kidding.
19:54
@Mitch Well, I for one would have voted for you anyway. And my vote counts. Mostly for one, but there are ways to stretch that. I'll have to watch 2000 Mules again, though.
@user70432 I can safely say that my natural theater skin color is 'leading man pale'
@Robusto We've done the math thing already. Your one is more equal than a bunch of others.
0.999...
Actually, isn't the future king of England a former Nazi costume wearer? Or is that the spare?
They've all done it.
Even Princess Di.
@user70432 Quanta should do a Martin Gardner column.
19:58
For which she was canceled. Permanently.
Just reprint them
@Robusto Ouch. That stings.
@Mitch I'd buy that for a dollar.
Speaking of which, Prince Philip (pbuh) was an actual Nazi. Not metaphorically. But to be fair only by family relation, not by choice.
@user70432 I feel like Gardner did all the recreational math that is ever possible.
Like, how could there be more?
And if there is more, it's probably not that good.
Does recreational mean to recreate?
Sadly no.
Words mean things, but often not what you think they should.
20:02
What I cannot create, I don't understand.
There's more to thought than words.
Whereof one cannot speak...
...people should just shut the front door.
I mean, it's drafty in here.
Out of the mouths of babes.
Comes baby vomit.
Whose peculiar odor
comes from a chemical
that is an additive to
Hershey's chocolate.
"Some American chocolate manufacturers add butyric acid during production to give the chocolate a longer shelf life."
Now I know.
I thought they added it because they're just weird.
Why does there always have to be a reason?
Time is money.
Knowledge is power.
Jun 13, 2020 at 20:27, by Mitch
France is Bacon
Money and power take time.
Information and entropy are inverses.
Time is defined as the increase in entropy.
Therefore, as time goes by, we get dumber.
20:11
Dementia is a form of insanity.
I think we all have a form of prementia.
A natural predisposition to aging, yes.
Youth is wasted on the young.
Jan 22 at 22:03, by Robusto
"The tragedy of old age is not that one is old, but that one is young." —Oscar Wilde
@Mitch I think Wilde said that too. Or was it Shaw?
20:29
Looks like Shaw.
So the CPR practitioners tell you that you should do chest compressions to the beat of "Stayin' Alive" by the BeeGees. I personally think Queen's "Another One Bites the Dust" would work even better. Plus then you're covered in case things go south.
21:08
@Robusto The obvious choice would be Twiztid's "We Don't Die." But only if the patient is a Juggalo.
@Robusto Ick.
Dec 8, 2023 at 3:09, by alphabet
The best part of being a raccoon is that, if you want to become a Juggalo, you don't need to buy any face paint
Dec 8, 2023 at 3:11, by alphabet
We don't need it; we are already proper Juggalo colors
@Robusto We need some more sassy quotes.
Nietzsche it is not.
Sassy that is.
Well..
Maybe he's got a few zingers.
I mean he's usually quite dour but sometimes between his syphilitic seizures he lets out a wild one.
No I can't think of one at the moment.
@alphabet How dare they. Next they'll ruin the Salem witch trials. I bet in their world, some of those women aren't even charged, let alone convicted.
21:30
"we don't need no education..."

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