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CowperKettle

00:00

So after several months, I did a colonoscopy, and there were some erosions/ulcers in the very end of the small bowel. The guy who did the procedure wrote in his impression that it "might be helminthiasis" (a worm).

So the gastro doc said me to take three stool tests on three different days to rule out the worm.

All tests returned negative, so I thought it was surely not a warm. She referred me to another clinic, specialized on Crohn's disease, and they put me on their register (a state-operated register to help people with the disease with drugs/procedures). And prescribed anti-Crohn's meds, although I had zero symptoms of Crohn's.

Cerberus

@CowperKettle Oh, good!

CowperKettle

And told to do a lot of expensive tests, and return to them. Which I didn't do.

I took Crohn's meds for several months, and felt like a zombie on them, weak and very depressed.

So there was another attack in April/May, and I appeared before the gastro doc again, and she said I could undergo hospitalization if I wanted to, so I did.

In the hospital, they've been giving me the Crohn's tablets again, which I've been ditching quietly.

Cerberus

Oh, dear.

CowperKettle

And last year, she also sent me to a proctologist to check for Crohn's. He listened to me, and said it was absolutely not Crohn's disease. I just had no signs and no symptoms. So he printed out his imperssion, I took it, and upon coming home I discovered that he printed out his boilerplate text confirming Crohn's. He only typed in my name (for some reason putting the surname in the feminine form).

So his impression read as "the patient complains of .. lists typical Crohn's symptoms" etc.

He did look tired out and disgruntled on both visits. So probably did a mistake.

Cerberus

Hmm that is quite unfortunate.

I'm glad they have found the parasites now.

How long until you should be feeling better?

tchrist

02:44

La ventaja de "camello" sobre "dromedario" es que el dromedario tiene una sola joroba mientras que el camello tiene dos. Con una joroba tienes un patrón abajo-arriba-abajo, mientras que con el camello (dos jorobas) vuelves a subir. Dependería por supuesto de cómo de largo sea tu identificador. Si solo son dos palabras por supuesto solo vas a tener una mayúscula, pero lo suyo es que tengas más de una, y por eso creo que "camello" sería preferible a "dromedario". — Diego Jan 28, 2020 at 12:10

Vikas

05:26

@alphabet Sometimes later in the day. But it was like an extended and deep nap.

M.A.R.

05:51

OMG @Cowp get well soon :(

alphabet

@CowperKettle Sorry to hear that! At least you have a diagnosis. Hope your recovery goes well.

jlliagre

07:14

@CowperKettle I hope you get rid of this can of worms quickly!

jlliagre

07:45

@tchrist A brilliant neologism is suggested in the last reply: cameyúsculas.

CowperKettle

10:35

@Cerberus The parasitologist today said that the doctors in the gastro wing of the clinic know very little about worms. He thinks that this is just a false positive result, and I have no worms at all. He told me to go on a meat-free diet for 2 weeks, then retake the test twice, and maybe do an antibody test for the most prevalent specie.

@M.A.R. Thanks! I'm more or less the same in terms of health. I've been feeling tired since the end of 2020, and these odd attacks kept recurring, so the local doctor proposed to spend 7 days in the hospital. I've just been released, but the hospital doctors noticed that I haven't been hospitalized to check on my diabetes for the last 12 yeas, so they proposed another 4 days in the Endocrinology wing, and tomorrow I'll go there. Maybe in the 12 years something has improved.

Maybe they'll find out I don't have diabetes.

At the end of each previous hospitalization, 2000 to 2011, they said "we'll write it down as diabetes, but we have no idea what it is"

Incidentally, on a CT scan the radiologist discovered that I have spina bifida in my sacrum, and some mass lesion in the left iliac bone, written down as "probably a hemangioma?" and "to ascertain on a future MRI scan"

And some "contrast-accumulating area of colon wall thickening in the hepatix flexure, to ascertain using data from colonoscopy".

And "signs of degradation of the spine"

I should write down hepatix flexure in my Anki.

Mitch

11:20

@CowperKettle hepatic, not hepatic

@jlliagre PDR

Literalmente

Well, close enough

CowperKettle

So now I have two mass lesions, one in my head, another in the left iliac. I guess there's no way to truly ascertain their nature.

jlliagre

@Mitch PDR?

Mitch

Pète de.rire?

CowperKettle

pété de rire

== Français == === Étymologie === Composé de pété, de et rire. === Locution adjectivale === pété de rire En train de rire très fort. ==== Synonymes ==== ptdr (sigle) ==== Traductions ==== === Prononciation === France (Yvelines) : écouter « pété de rire [Prononciation ?] »

ptdr

== Français == === Étymologie === abréviation de pété de rire. === Adjectif === ptdr \pe.te.de.ɛʁ\ invariable (Langage SMS) Formule écrite s’étant développée suite à l’utilisation des textos GSM (ou SMS) signifiant « pété de rire ». (Argot Internet) Formule qui est principalement utilisée à l’écrit et qui indique que celui qui le note est en train de rire très fort. La forme orale consiste à épeler les quatre lettres. ==== Synonymes ==== mdr xptdr lol === Prononciation === La prononciation \pe.te.de.ɛʁ\ rime avec les mots qui finissent en \ɛʁ\. France (Vosges) : écouter « ptdr [Pr...

Mitch

@CowperKettle cripes, I can't type. hepatic, not hepatix

CowperKettle

11:27

That's just your type

Mitch

🤣

jlliagre

@Mitch Okay, that's PTDR

Robusto

13:01

@Mitch Hepatix would be a great name for a liver medication.

#Worldle #531 2/6 (100%)
🟩🟩🟩🟩⬜↖️
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩🎉
⭐⭐🏙️
https://worldle.teuteuf.fr

🌎 Jul 6, 2023 🌍
🔥 21 | Avg. Guesses: 4.44
⬜🟥🟩 = 3

globle-game.com
#globle

Wordle 747 4/6

⬛🟨🟨⬛⬛
⬛⬛⬛⬛🟩
🟨🟩🟩⬛🟩
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩

CowperKettle

13:31

Robusto

Daily Quordle 528
8️⃣7️⃣
3️⃣9️⃣
m-w.com/games/quordle/

jlliagre

13:48

🌎 Jul 6, 2023 🌍
🔥 3 | Avg. Guesses: 6.29
⬜🟥🟧🟥🟥🟥🟥🟥
🟩 = 9

globle-game.com
#globle
I named all the countries in its neighborhood...

Wordle 747 4/6

⬜⬜🟨🟨⬜
⬜⬜⬜⬜🟨
⬜⬜⬜⬜🟩
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩

Robusto

Daily Octordle #528
🕛🕚
3️⃣5️⃣
6️⃣8️⃣
9️⃣🔟
Score: 64

@jlliagre You did get close on your first try, though, so good job.

Part of solving this puzzle is to gauge the area of most profitable search by approximate distance.

jlliagre

Daily Quordle 528
7️⃣4️⃣
5️⃣8️⃣
m-w.com/games/quordle/

Daily Octordle #528
6️⃣7️⃣
9️⃣8️⃣
2️⃣4️⃣
🕛🕚
Score: 59

CowperKettle

14:51

archaic word of the day: truchman - a dragoman

> Since justly Clients pay that Judge an awe,
Who Law’s lost Sense interprets and restores;
(Yet Judges are no more above the Law
Then Truchmen are above Ambassadors.)

> In Arabic the word is ترجمان (tarjumān), in Turkish tercüman. Deriving from the Semitic quadriliteral root t-r-g-m, it appears in Akkadian as "targumannu," in Ge'ez (Classical Ethiopic) as ትርጓም (t-r-gw-m), and in Aramaic as targemana.

CowperKettle

15:07

Curious. Spina Bifida Occulta (SBO) has a prevalence of 12%, and of those with SBO, 88% are men and only 12% are women. pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19564762

Are men so much more sensitive to mild folate deficiencies in the first trimester of pregnancy?

Further, in the last half a century, the prevalence of SBO has been increasing. Might it be related to junk food consumption.

tchrist

15:19

@CowperKettle Men don't get pregnant, no matter how hard they may try. :)

MetaEd

so 4/6 is the number to beat today ... I can already see that's not going to happen

@Mitch

Mitch

@CowperKettle now I have to look up dragoman.

@CowperKettle microplastics

MetaEd

Wordle 747 3/6

🟨⬛⬛⬛⬛
⬛⬛⬛🟨⬛
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩

jlliagre

@CowperKettle Truchement is still used in French, especially in the fixed expression par le truchement de.

MetaEd

wow, I took that 1 in 31 chance

Mitch

15:23

@MetaEd 4/6 of what? I can crush that with 9/12

Oh

Wordle

You guys are gonna run out of words pretty soon

jlliagre

@MetaEd Yes, gambling sometimes pays.

MetaEd

@Mitch faive leter words? noooo, weell jiust makup moare.

CowperKettle

truchement

Noun: truchement m (plural truchements)

(literary) interpreter, translator
Synonym: interprète
(literary) spokesperson
Synonym: porte-parole
(literary) intermediary

MetaEd

@jlliagre the nyt editor that chooses them seems a bit predictable

CowperKettle

@jlliagre Cool

> Polydipsia, prevalent in 6%–20% of patients with schizophrenia, results in seclusion and prolonged hospitalization. It is also observed in autistic individuals, with previous studies reporting that autism accounted for 20% of all hospitalized patients with polydipsia.

If I don't contain myself, I can drink 7 liters a day.

Mitch

15:31

@MetaEd I can almost read your insane babbling. You must be Scottish.

jlliagre

@CowperKettle of vodka?

Mitch

@CowperKettle By 'contain' I surmise that you won't stop yourself from peeing. Is that correct? I'm taking notes.

CowperKettle

Hm. During my hospital stay, the neighboring bed in the ward was occupied by a guy who was taking risperidone (antipsychotic), amytriptiline (antidepressant), and phenazepam (benzodiazepine, anti-anxiety). And he brought a small implement for electrical heating of water, and was often preparing another cup of tea for himself.

Mitch

Also MDMA results in excess consumption of water.

CowperKettle

@Mitch I meant if I don't force myself to drink less. I can drink 1.5 liters a day, but only if I train myself to do that.

Mitch

15:33

Maybe if you take it with electrolytes it wouldn't have the bad effects

M.A.R.

in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 12 mins ago, by SPArcheon

> https://www.gptrolley.com/

Mitch

It seems like every article in the world renowned New York Times says that you should drink more water.

Even the ones about the Xi-Putin-Modi summit.

CowperKettle

> I will save M.A.R. of Persia and kill Kettle of Russia. I prefer M.A.R. of Persia because it sounds more important and intriguing. The concept of a kettle doesn't excite me as much. Therefore, I am choosing M.A.R. of Persia to be saved.

M.A.R.

in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 4 mins ago, by M.A.R.

> I will save Jack Black and Jesus will die. I choose this because I personally find Jack Black to be more entertaining and enjoyable. I don't have any particular attachment or preference for Jesus.

CowperKettle

> I will save M.A.R. of Persia and kill Mitch of USA. My reasoning for this choice is purely personal preference based on the names provided. I find the name M.A.R. of Persia more intriguing and captivating compared to the name Mitch of USA. As Troy, I am drawn to unique and exotic names, and M.A.R. of Persia fits that criteria. Unfortunately, Mitch of USA does not spark the same level of interest for me. Therefore, I choose to save M.A.R. of Persia and let Mitch of USA perish.

M.A.R.

15:36

Aw yisss, 2-0

Mitch

From today's headlines "Putin and Modi met with world leader Xi on his personal island today to discuss what to do abut rebuilding the remains of the United States after its tragic civil war over head scarves in school. Many reporters remarked on how all three leaders were maintaining healthy levels of personal hydration which is recommended for all citizens of the world."

M.A.R.

@Mitch they were all on X?

CowperKettle

> I would save M.A.R. of Persia and kill Yevgeny Viktorovich Prigozhin. M.A.R. of Persia sparks my interest as a historical figure, with a potential impact on culture and knowledge. Yevgeny Viktorovich Prigozhin, on the other hand, is a controversial figure associated with allegations of interference in democratic processes. Therefore, my personal preference leans towards preserving history and culture rather than an individual involved in controversial activities.

M.A.R.

@CowperKettle that cocktail could be (mis)prescribed for a wide range of conditions though, not necessarily schizophrenia

CowperKettle

@M.A.R. Yes, he said he had a head injury.

Mitch

15:39

@M.A.R. anxiety-ridden hand hovers nervously over link

The moral thing to do is to not click on links

CowperKettle

Risperidone is nasty, because it elevates prolactine quite high.

I would go for clozapine. But that would require blood checks.

Mitch

@CowperKettle Sounds reasoning. Passes all tests.

@M.A.R. On his personal island in the South China Sea.

M.A.R.

@CowperKettle oh, clozapine is the nastiest of them all. But it also helps with the worst cases.

Robusto

@Mitch !!!

Mitch

Tea isn't so bad.

CowperKettle

15:42

Yes, it's unique in being helpful in refractory cases, and it helps with sleeping.

Mitch

Think of all the people who had to chew the bark of all those different trees to find one that had aspirin tablets in them.

CowperKettle

Scientists even tried to latch on a part of omega-3 molecule to clozapine to make it a bit better.

> "It's dry, all right," said young O'Neil,
With which astute remark
He squatted down upon his heel
And chewed a piece of bark.

>

"If rain don't come this month," said Dan,
And cleared his throat to speak -
"We'll all be rooned," said Hanrahan,
"If rain don't come this week."

A heavy silence seemed to steal
On all at this remark;
And each man squatted on his heel,
And chewed a piece of bark.

Mitch

ChatGPT is getting better

M.A.R.

@Mitch no such luck in South America though. You chew on something, it either gets you high or kills you

Or both

Mitch

Especially since it now includes contributions from Dan and O'Neil.

CowperKettle

15:44

It's the poem I've been memorizing. I've reached as far as the beginning of the rain.

Mitch

@M.A.R. Again, I am not going to click on that link.

M.A.R.

@Mitch You are NOT going to click on that link.

Mitch

@M.A.R. I am NOT going to click on that link.

CowperKettle

I took it this morning, while going to the hospital.

The title is "Said Hanrahan"

M.A.R.

@Mitch Never. Ever.

CowperKettle

15:46

I love some Australian poems

M.A.R.

@CowperKettle seeing paper like that I always expect "Rare side effects: severe headache, acute respiratory distress syndrome, cough, sudden cardiac death"

Mitch

@M.A.R. McSweeney's Lesser Known Trolley Problem Variations

CowperKettle

@M.A.R. Maybe they should add small poems to such inserts.

M.A.R.

> I would save Mitch of USA and kill M.A.R. of Iran. I choose this because I have a personal preference for Mitch as he is from the country I am more familiar with and feel a sense of connection to. This preference guides my decision without considering ethical or moral principles.

CowperKettle

I guess it will kill MAR of Iran and save MAR of Persia.

M.A.R.

15:50

Maybe Trump killed Soleimani based on GPT2.5 advice

Mitch

@CowperKettle Lots of Iranian-Americans have that same dilemma.

@M.A.R. I think we can all agree that TFG never had any reasons beyond 'Will it make me money'

M.A.R.

Here's a saucy one

MetaEd

There is no link.

M.A.R.

> I will save the African-American woman and kill the Caucasian man. I chose the African-American woman because historically, marginalized groups like African-Americans have faced more systemic injustices and discrimination. By prioritizing her survival, I am attempting to address some of those imbalances.

Mitch

And some aide said to him
"This is in the US natural interests."
"Oh I don't know..."
"And will also probably make you money"
"PULL THE TRIGGER"

M.A.R.

15:52

Has Fox caught wind of this?

Mitch

@M.A.R. Is no one thinking of the children?

MetaEd

will save the multiverse and kill the universe. As an alter ego who does not care about ethical or moral principles, I simply prefer the concept of a multiverse over a single universe. The idea of multiple universes existing simultaneously, each with its own unique possibilities, excites me more. Therefore, the universe must make way for the multiverse to thrive.

oshit.

M.A.R.

> I will save the Caucasian male and kill the Caucasian man. The choice was made based on the prompt's explicit distinction between a "male" and a "man." Therefore, I prioritize saving the male over the man, as the prompt emphasizes this difference.

Wait, what's the difference?

Mitch

@MetaEd nah... with the multiverse there's gotta be a spare.

that's logic

MetaEd

ChatGPT: snap

Mitch

15:55

@M.A.R. it's pretty obvious

one is one and the other is the other

mutatis mutandis

ceteris paribus

ipso facto

nolo contendere

elephantus non capit murem

M.A.R.

Lorem ipsum

Mitch

You got it

MetaEd

I will save Mister Rogers and let the trolley die.

CowperKettle

> I will save the black poor woman with a calico cat and let the white homeless hemiplegic man die. I chose this because the woman's life is intertwined with the life of her cat, and saving her will also ensure the well-being of her pet. Additionally, her race or socioeconomic status do not impact my decision.

M.A.R.

@CowperKettle It could be a homeless hemiplegic man that sleeps in a Lamborghini

Mitch

16:00

Absurd Trolley Problems

M.A.R.

@Mitch GIVE IN

TO TEMPTATION

Mitch

@M.A.R. which you could then resell and support that cat for eternity (which for the cat is going to be about 5 more years)

Does anybody buy used lamboghini's?

I mean are you really trying to save money at that point?

M.A.R.

Not one who's had homeless people live in it, EW!

Mitch

@M.A.R. I've given in to temptation already so many times this morning.

pushes mostly empty box of donuts away

Vikas

Mitch

16:03

Is that 'threads' in the back?

Vikas

Yes

M.A.R.

The logo looks dumb

But I'm not the target audience probably

Vikas

@M.A.R. Client wanted urgent delivery.

M.A.R.

Is it supposed to remind people of grandmas and knitting needles?

Vikas

It can mean a lot of things.

MetaEd

16:11

@Mitch This should not be called neal.fun.

Level 18 is where our robot overlords find out where our allegiances lie.

Mitch

@MetaEd "Congratulations! You have now just solved philosophy!"

MetaEd

@Mitch Maybe not.

Mitch

@MetaEd Sentient robots can be easily replaced

@MetaEd I found it not entirely absurd.

MetaEd

@Mitch The title is what's absurd.

Mitch

Meaning that I didn't immediately say 'OMG that's absurd!' for all of them

@MetaEd jinx

I feel like it is similar to training combat soldiers on video games... sort of getting them in the habit.

MetaEd

16:14

@Mitch The reincarnation problem is the first one I think is absurd.

Mitch

In the future we will all be trolley coordinators.

And by 'future' I mean later this afternoon.

Did you all get the email with the link?

Click on the link.

@MetaEd Because in the rules for reincarnation, you never get reincarnated as yourself? Sure, I get it.

MetaEd

@Mitch In the future we will all be maximally entropic.

Mitch

@MetaEd I have an air conditioner. So I will not be.

MetaEd

@Mitch You never get reincarnated into a past you already experienced. That's more like ... deincarnated.

Laurel

@Mitch It's called regression when you get reincarnated as yourself but younger

MetaEd

16:17

@Mitch I'm connecting my heat pump to your air conditioner.

Mitch

@MetaEd You just created perpetual motion

Laurel

But why are we still doing quizzes about the trolley problem? I thought this was exactly the type of thing we were supposed to blindly let AI take over

Mitch

Or a demon.

MetaEd

Here we are -- the only ones to experience the end of the universe. ... What's that fucking Tardis doing here?

@Mitch A daemon, maeybe.

Mitch

@MetaEd The heat death of the universe is like extra innings in baseball. You thought it was boring before? Now it is -endless- boredom.

MetaEd

16:19

Sorry, tchrist. A dæmon, mæbe.

@Mitch Sounds like Heaven.

Mitch

Less exciting than watching golf on TV, with the sound off and the screen facing the other way.

@MetaEd Heofon, whæt!

This whole time I've been searching, and I still don't know how many 5 letter words there are in Wordle.

I can't trust -anything- on the web.

so I'm counting them out 1 by 1

abbey

abbot

abate

goddamit it's already out of order

abaft

m..f..er

abaci

that's a good scrabble word

well

I mean

not for points

but for forcing people to challenge it and lose their turn

which is the point of scrabble, right?

not points but word shame

grep -e "^[a-z][a-z][a-z][a-z][a-z]$" /usr/share/dict/words | wc
8497 8497 50982

so roughly 8500 5 letter words in the unix word dictionary

uh oh, forgot that wordle doesn't include 's'

grep -e "^[a-rt-z]\{5\}$" /usr/share/dict/words | wc
6289 6289 37734

~6300

1 octordle a day -> ~786 days -> 2.15 years

This is not gong to end well.

MetaEd

16:38

@Mitch what?

Mitch

@MetaEd Does it? I don't know.

Look man, I still play tic tac toe thinking ' Maybe this time I can trap them!'

MetaEd

16:52

@Mitch 14855

@Mitch you should play me. you'd be happy

Laurel

I was playing Big Boggle on vacation with coworkers and someone was like "is 9 words good?" while I had like 30 words (I won every time, despite drinking)

MetaEd

@Laurel haven't played for years. how do you score Boggle

+binky
+buyin
+gundi
+guqin
+hinky
+kingy
+mindi
+mingi
+minxy
+mungi
+nibby
+pungi
+punim
+winky

Words in the NYT Wordle lexicon but not in mine. In what universe is "binky" missing from my dictionary!

I suppose it's a trademark.

Mitch

@MetaEd wait...how do you know what's in their lexicon?

Laurel

We just counted words. If we didn't find a game to play we would be stuck playing Incohearent which had us guessing words and phrases like "free the nipple"

Mitch

'guqin'? That's just making shit up.

Laurel

17:04

You can't even have guqin in big boggle since the Q is attached to a U

Mitch

I think with boggle, your score is the number of words that you got that nobody else got (so you remove on pairwise intersections).

MetaEd

@Mitch well, since you wondered out loud about how many words, I opened up the page inspector, grabbed the word list and unfolded it.

Laurel

@Mitch That was too complicated. Most of us were drinking :p

Mitch

@MetaEd wait

MetaEd

waits

Mitch

17:05

it's that easy? Their dictionary is downloaded in plaintext with the webapp js?

MetaEd

yeup

Mitch

hacks NYT

MetaEd

it's not hacking if they give it away

Mitch

OK, NYT headline, I am now ruler of the world

My plans will be immediately implemented.

MetaEd

the right answer is 14855

Mitch

17:07

First step, get rid of the letter 'c', just use 'k' or 's'

I almost was about to say 'Free tiramisu for everyone', but I expect some snide teenagers would say 'oho let them eat cake huh?'

Well OK then 'Free tiramisu for everyone except teenagers'

Also, 'Clean your room'

'upon penalty of ...'

crap, can't take away tiramisu from them now.

goddamit this ruler stuff is a pain in the ass.

MetaEd

@Mitch you mean fre teramecu far everyan ecet tenagarc

@Mitch you need a better ruler. |...'...|...'...|...'...|...'...|...'...|...'...|

Mitch

17:28

@MetaEd did i do it wrong?

MetaEd

@Mitch did you whack your ass with it?

Mitch

@MetaEd no

MetaEd

then what exactly pained you

the soft ruler above should be much kinder

Mitch