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Robusto

18:01

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I am trying to translate Veruca's Salt song "Seether" and I can't find this word's translation, or, at least, meaning. Ow! Seether is neither loose nor tight, Seether is neither black nor white. I tried to keep her on a short leash, I tried to calm her down. I tried to ram her into ...

OT.

Matt Эллен

damnit I'm out of votes

I did like that song though

Robusto

What good are ya?

@Luke Wow, MSO punted that to ELU meta?

Luke

I normally put bug reports on MSO because that's where the devs normally are.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Robusto can we punt it back?

Robusto

Seems like we should be able to. It can't be strictly an ELU issue.

Luke

18:15

I agree. I'm not getting any rep on ELU Meta.

Robusto

It would require mod intervention, I think.

tchrist

It happens on SO, too.

But only with Safari, not with Opera.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

"Safari"? "Opera"? WTF are those?

Luke

Well, let's wake up a mod and see how far they can punt.

tchrist

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I feel flaggy today.

David Wallace

18:19

Hmm, I had to read that twice!

Robusto

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 One is an African journey, the other is a long, boring session involving music and singing.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@tchrist flaggy?

tchrist

Don’t make me show you.

Robusto

Characterizations of browsers:
Chrome: Olympic athlete
Safari: Fashion show attendee
Firefox: Developer who is into LARP
Opera: Elitist without a cause
Internet Explorer: Short-bus passenger

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Cerberus

Pah.

Robusto

18:24

What kind of a browser is Pah? Is that some Dutch-only thing?

Cerberus

Chrome: spy from a Great Power

Robusto

Who says Olympic athletes can't be spies? Where do you think the Chinese get their contenders?

tchrist

He doesn’t like being reminded that he rides the short bus.

Aug 11 at 15:35, by Robusto

@JasperLoy Are you saying I have to dumb it down just for you?

Aug 11 at 15:36, by tchrist

@Robusto Everybody rides the short bus now and then.

Devil take us.

Robusto

Aug 11 at 15:38, by Robusto

My bus is also not handicapped-accessible. It is not an omnibus.

tchrist

Can the Ayatolla ride your bus?

Robusto

18:28

Don't make me tap the sign again.

And I consider religion a handicap, so ...

tchrist

Not a hominibus, then?

Robusto

You can't pack enough hos into a minibus.

tchrist

Oh, homey!

Robusto

Santa Claus can only pack three onto his sleigh: Ho ho ho.

Cerberus

tchrist

18:30

That's what the dingdong says.

Cerberus

Somehow this reminds me of Chrome more.

Robusto

@Cerberus Let's not say things we can't take back, you IE-wielding mutt.

Cerberus

Silly crowds cheering on inflexibility, while being infiltrated by an agent from a foreign power.

Hey, I never use IE.

Robusto

Chrome is not inflexible.

Cerberus

...

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

18:31

@Robusto now now, his version of Windows is too old to run IE.

Cerberus

Have you looked at Firefox?

Robusto

@Cerberus Every goddamn day.

Cerberus

It has moar add-ons.

tchrist

> chrome: n. [from automotive slang via wargaming] Showy features added to attract users but contributing little or nothing to the power of a system. “The 3D icons in Motif are just chrome, but they certainly are pretty chrome!” Distinguished from bells and whistles by the fact that the latter are usually added to gratify developers' own desires for featurefulness. Often used as a term of contempt.

Cerberus

See?

Robusto

18:33

@Cerberus I only use add-ons that help me in my work.

Cerberus

If Safari hadn't already occupied the spot...

@Robusto ...and Chrome doesn't have all the good ones FF has. And the general customizability.

Robusto

@tchrist It's also an element, a catch-all term for a UI, and a browser.

@Cerberus Jesus, I should have guessed you were starting a religious war when you posted that picture of the Popemobile.

tchrist

Just a bash in the flan.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

sorry, it was my fault, when I joked about tchrist's safari and opera.

Cerberus

@Robusto Of course it is a religious war!! What are browser fans but acolytes?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

18:35

so Cerb, did you get your phone working?

tchrist

homini homini homini

grits

Robusto

I'm a browser agnostic. Except I hate IE.

Cerberus

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Yes! But I sadly had to wipe it.

tchrist

Even agnostics hate Hell.

Cerberus

@Robusto So you ehm open internet pages in Windows Explorer (that is possible btw.)?

If you refuse to recognise browsers as such...

Robusto

18:36

@Cerberus No. I use whatever is handy, except IE.

Cerberus

OK.

Apart from extensions, I like Opera and Chrome too.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus I've always found Opera to be ugly and unweildy

Robusto

I've cut down on extensions. There are few I find I really need.

ΜετάEd

@tchrist Heaven for the climate, Hell for the company.

Robusto

I like Chrome because the dev tools are as good as Firebug without requiring an add-on.

tchrist

18:38

Opera is the only superfast and super–easy-to-use (read: keyboard-friendly) browser. The rest suck.

Robusto

For you, maybe. I have nothing against using a mouse.

ΜετάEd

@tchrist If you want keyboard-friendly with Chrome, consider the Vimium add-on.

Cerberus

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Really? I don't really care about looks, but it is always very fast for me.

@Robusto There are few I don't really need!

tchrist

My hands stay on my home row. Don't make me switch modes.

@ΜετάEd Can I edit text widgets in vi mode?

Cerberus

@Robusto OMG what kind of a computer snob are you? No mouse hatred? I am disappoint.

Robusto

18:40

@tchrist Opera has rude CSS idiosyncracies.

Luke

Back to the topic.

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Q: English SE vandalized by Martians

Here is a screenshot of English SE newest questions tab. Look at the red gibberish (likely Martian handwriting). Here is the text: tdber 18 Tvrptvinp-oldpanigno"viTclzinsti tdber 18 Tvrptvinp- oldpanigno"viAddzinsti butt /bvalui Addzon-td I refreshed the page and the re...

bug

Where does this belong? ELU Meta, or MSO?

tchrist

@Robusto Haven’t noticed.

Robusto

Topics are fluid.

tchrist

@Luke You’ll have to prove it is cross-site, apparently.

simchona

@Luke ELU Meta. It's not about the other sites.

tchrist

18:40

I can confirm it is, but cannot at the moment prove it.

I swear I already posted about this.

I did a Safari screen shot full of the same crap you are showing.

Robusto

@tchrist Opera has every bit of the "my way is the standard" attitude you see in IE, except without anything like the market share.

John Junior

I think the "Martians" took my question.

ΜετάEd

@tchrist Well ... it works a lot like vi. i/Esc take you in and out of insert mode.

simchona

@JohnJunior About Einstein? It got deleted.

tchrist

@Robusto I’m a programmer, not a HTML scribe.

Luke

18:42

Problem is, we don't know how to reproduce it.

John Junior

@simchona Yes :(

ΜετάEd

@tchrist But it's not what you think: it's not the vi editor for a text widget; it's vi-like keystrokes for navigating the web.

Robusto

@tchrist Then why don't you write your own text-only browser in Perl?

tchrist

@ΜετάEd That would be fine. Once addicted to Rogue, you will never change.

@Robusto Why do you confuse text-only with keyboard, eh?

John Junior

@simchona Why delete it and not just close it and give me a chance to work on it?

simchona

18:44

@JohnJunior It was closed.

Robusto

@tchrist Why do you make assumptions about what I think?

ΜετάEd

@tchrist Yeah, that's the idea.

John Junior

@simchona But now it's gone.

ΜετάEd

@Robusto If you want a text-only browser:

Lynx (web browser)

Lynx is a very configurable text-based web browser for use on cursor-addressable character cell terminals. It is the oldest web browser currently in use. History Lynx was a product of the Distributed Computing Group within Academic Computing Services of the University of Kansas, and was initially developed in 1992 by a team of students at the university (Lou Montulli, Michael Grobe and Charles Rezac) as a hypertext browser used solely to distribute campus information as part of a Campus-Wide Information Server and for browsing the Gopher space. Beta availability was announced to Usenet o...

tchrist

@Robusto I don’t. You gave yourself away.

2 mins ago, by Robusto

@tchrist Then why don't you write your own text-only browser in Perl?

Robusto

18:45

@tchrist Seriously, are we going to go down this road again?

tchrist

I’m bitching about not being able to use a keyboard.

This has nothing to do with being text-only.

simchona

@JohnJunior You asked "Could anybody please tell me what the combination of their meanings is and how they relate to each other?", which is both off topic and too localized. If you can say a bit about how you would improve it, I'll undelete. But I won't necessarily reopen until it's fixed.

tchrist

Which only you mentioned.

Robusto

43 secs ago, by Robusto

@tchrist Seriously, are we going to go down this road again?

tchrist

You said text-only.

I didn’t.

Robusto

18:46

Those words are taboo?

tchrist

I was complaining about lack of keyboard navigation. You suggested text-only, as though that were an answer. It isn’t. It’s changing the subject altogether.

Robusto

@tchrist Nah, you got insulting. "I’m a programmer, not a HTML scribe." Or did you forget that part?

simchona

@Robusto @tchrist Guys, calm down please.

tchrist

@Robusto You don’t like Dr McCoy?

Where is the insult?

Honestly!

Classic Trek, nothing more.

Silly.

John Junior

@simchona How could it be "off topic"?

Robusto

18:49

You are being coy, not McCoy.

tchrist

Amn’t.

simchona

@JohnJunior You're asking for an interpretation of something. Localized because you're asking about something that people won't really ever look for.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

hums the Final Jeopardy music do do do do, do do doo, do do do do Do! do-do-do-do-do, do do do do, do do doo, Do, do-do, do do, do, do (bong bong)

Luke

Whoa! Sounds amazing!

Robusto

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I was wondering whether the Jeopardy language had do support.

Luke

18:50

Do you know what sheet music is for?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Robusto oh, it do

tchrist

@Luke Yes, and once you are no longer a minor, we’ll tell you, too.

Cerberus

Hey, I have a serious question about IE.

Luke

What an oxymoron!

tchrist

Sirius is the Dog Star.

Robusto

18:51

@Cerberus giggles

Luke

sirius is a radio channel

Cerberus

Why do I read several news items a day about this recent vulnerability in major newspapers, even though new vulnerabilities pop up almost weekly, with all the warnings and the patches and shit?

@Luke Haha I guess!

Robusto

@Cerberus Because these latest are zero-day vulnerabilities that Microsoft can't solve, apparently.

Cerberus

Is that all?

John Junior

@simchona OK let me think about it. May I get back to you on this?

Robusto

18:52

@Cerberus Isn't that enough?

Cerberus

They have announced a patch already for this one.

> Microsoft: ‘Fix-it’-tool voor lek online – morgen definitieve oplossing

"Microsoft: 'Fix-it' tool for leak online - tomorrow definitive solution"

Robusto

> Microsoft has recommended a workaround while they develop a patch, but it is not comprehensive and is difficult to set up. If you are among the folks that still use IE, why not take this opportunity to move to Firefox or Chrome? They are better, faster, smarter, safer, and what all the cool kids use to browse the internet these days

Luke

Why did they write it in Dutch?

Cerberus

@Robusto But I read stuff like this about IE every week?

@Luke Well...how do I explain this...

People in other countries speak different languages?

Robusto

itproportal.com/2012/09/20/…

Luke

18:55

Microsoft is American

tchrist

week

Cerberus

@Robusto Is it really that much worse than the usual vulnerabilities and warnings?

Robusto

> While Microsoft’s current suggestions may help prevent the exploit, they may not be practical for all users. EMET is an advanced tool that can take time to properly deploy and can be complicated. The changes to the Internet Explorer security settings may also interfere with functionality on the web and could be inconvenient. It is also important to note that the suggested solutions have not yet been confirmed to be entirely effective.

Luke

Americans speak English

Robusto

@Cerberus Not if you don't care about evil people taking over your computer.

Cerberus

18:56

@Luke I quoted a Dutch article I happened to be reading.

simchona

@john sure.

@luke that's rather narrow minded.

Cerberus

@Robusto But they are always whining about such people.

Oh, well.

I always tell people to switch to FF or Chrome.

simchona

Microsoft is a multinational organization.

Luke

Most Americans speak English

Cerberus

@simchona Oh, please.

Luke

18:57

@Cerberus Never realized you were Dutch

Cerberus

@Luke Aspice monstrum!

tchrist

@Luke People can read articles in other languages than their nationality’s, you know.

Cerberus

That, too.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus IE doesn't have new zero-day vulnerabilities every day. You are probably over-remembering the number of remote exploits you have read about.

Cerberus

I occasionally read stuff in English.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Not every day, but lots!

simchona

18:59

@cerb no way. Not allowed.

Cerberus

I'm trying to cut it down.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus Nah, not all that often. IE is a lot more secure now than it used to be.

Cerberus

But you people aren't exactly helping.

Matt Эллен

How are you feeling now @Cerb? Still fine?

tchrist

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Cerberus

19:00

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Let's say it was once a year. Why the multiple headline, over several days, in a serious newspaper?

@MattЭллен Uh yep!

The alcohol is now gone from my system, I believe.

Luke

Squirrels have four minute attention spans.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus Don't your newspapers have multliple articles about the same topic, over and over, for days on end?

Luke

Sometimes I feel like us in chat are squirrels.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@tchrist Come on, it's true. They have clearly improved it.

tchrist

@Luke me am.

Cerberus

19:01

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Yes, but this is the first time I can remember they have it about IE vulnerabilities, which are reported all year round.

Luke

What are you talking about?

Cerberus

But now I need to make a phone call.

Matt Эллен

@Cerberus can you give us urine test results in ppm?

Cerberus

Uh, no.

Luke

Look at that tree!

Matt Эллен

19:02

you're no scientist!

Cerberus

hugs tree

@MattЭллен I'm not fraudulent, that is true.

Later!

Luke

CU

Matt Эллен

CU

tchrist

Your diction.

Luke

Speaking of which, I've gotta go to.

tchrist

19:03

Regarding us sciurine denizens.

Luke

doei

Matt Эллен

CU @Luke

Luke

You pinged me just for that?

Gigili

@Luke That's four, not tree.

simchona

@Luke It helps keep organized.

tchrist

19:04

Well, I was hoping for a chain pun, but nobody wanted to play.

Luke

I'm trying to leave!

tchrist

That’s what the squirrel said.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Luke So go then.

tchrist

Then he forgot.

simchona

@Luke Nobody's barring the door

Gigili

19:04

Fior, to be exact.

Luke

When I come back it'll say 20 new messages!

tchrist

@Luke 21.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Luke Sounds like a challenge

Luke

That's so annoying when people are just saying bye and you're coming back.

Gigili

@Luke Hey Luke.

Luke

19:05

Goodbye!

slams door

simchona

@Luke Well...

tchrist

@Luke Bye.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Luke bye

simchona

@Luke Would you rather we ignore you?

Gigili

@Luke Bye.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

19:05

@Luke straightens photo frames near door

David Wallace

Hi @Mr.ShinyandNew安宇

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@DavidWallace well well well, we meet again

David Wallace

It's been a very long time.

Gigili

Is he gone?

David Wallace

Who?

Gigili

19:10

@Luke, @Luke's gone.

John Junior

I miss him already :(

tchrist

@Luke will return.

John Junior

I don't think so.

Nobody likes to be ignored let alone being threatened by it.

8 mins ago, by simchona

@Luke Would you rather we ignore you?

In my opinion.

simchona

@JohnJunior Seriously? You're reading way too much into that.

Robusto

> Through the security advisory Microsoft has urged people running Internet Explorer 6, 7, 8 & 9 to install the Enhanced Mitigation Experience Toolkit (EMET) and set the internet and local intranet security settings in Internet Explorer to ‘High’ in order to block ActiveX Controls and Active Scripting in these zones.

Hahahahahaha. (Emphasis mine.)

What a name for the "We Hope This Will Save Our Ass" toolkit.

WTF is an Enhanced Mitigation Experience?

John Junior

19:16

@simchona Possibly, but we will see if he comes back or not...

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Robusto It's like a regular Mitigation Experience, only "Enhanced (tm)"

Robusto

Why didn't I think of that? headdesk

simchona

@JohnJunior I really, really think you're reading too much into it.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Robusto you fail at marketing.

John Junior

@simchona BTW his gravatar is now gone.

Robusto

19:18

And notice that mitigation isn't actually a solution. It's a palliative, nothing more.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

The real trick to marketing is that you have to Enhance every Experience.

simchona

@JohnJunior So?

That doesn't mean he's not coming back. It means he signed out, basically.

John Junior

We will see if he comes back or not...

simchona

Oh jeez.

ΜετάEd

@JohnJunior You know y'all are never going to get back the time you are spending arguing about this.

Gigili

19:21

@tchrist I don’t trust things I hear about by word of mouth. I'll have to see him(@Luke) talking again to believe.

Robusto

Gotta run. Ta.

simchona

@Robusto Bye Rob.

John Junior

@ΜετάEd We're not arguing, we're talking about the fact that nobody likes to be ignored let alone being threatened by it.

simchona

@JohnJunior I never threatened anyone.

John Junior

9 mins ago, by John Junior

8 mins ago, by simchona

@Luke Would you rather we ignore you?

simchona

19:24

This is where you're reading too much into it.

ΜετάEd

fights the maelstrom

simchona

You're completing conflating two situations.

Luke was leaving, and wanted people to stop pinging him.

John Junior

OK :)

@ЯegDwight hi

ЯegDwight

Ahoy.

Carlo_R.

Hello, can I disturb?

John Junior

19:30

Please do.

ЯegDwight

Feb 18 '11 at 16:16, by RegDwight

"Opera 99.5%, Webkit 98%, FireFox 71% (oh dear), IE hurr IMA BROWSARRRR".

Feb 18 '11 at 16:16, by RegDwight

Carlo_R.

Why do you remove so often your comments @John?

John Junior

@Carlo_R. I'm a bit of a perfectionist :)

Matt Эллен

@ЯegDwight today Firefox is at 100!

ЯegDwight

@JohnJunior Only a bit? That's no perfection!

Carlo_R.

19:33

But, it is difficult to follow the discussion this way, especially by a not native of English @John.

ЯegDwight

@Carlo_R. following a deleted discussion is extremely easy, actually.

You don't even have to do anything and bam! — you've followed it!

2

John Junior

@Carlo_R. The best way to follow a discussion is to participate in the discussion.

ЯegDwight

@JohnJunior not in this chat.

While you are busy replying to one person, you miss what OVER 9000 others say.

So you end up with an assortment of weirdly intertwined dialogues.

John Junior

@ЯegDwight Multi-task?

Carlo_R.

@John Where are you come from? I do not ever seen you before!

ЯegDwight

19:36

@JohnJunior I will ping you the next time the chat is on fire. See if you can keep up simply reading what others say.

Carlo_R.

@John however I believe I agree with Reg when he says nothing.

Luke

I leave for half an hour and I'm pinged 20 times!

ЯegDwight

@Carlo_R. I just didn't say "No you don't". Now what?

simchona

@Luke @JohnJunior And with that, I told you so.

ЯegDwight

@Luke who, @Luke? You, @Luke? Or a different @Luke? @Luke?

simchona

19:40

@Luke, @JohnJunior thought I threatened you and you weren't coming back.

Luke

@ЯegDwight That only pinged me once.

ЯegDwight

@Luke I know. Is that a challenge?

John Junior

hi @waiwai933

What does the "I R I B" mean?

Cerberus

"I Rest In Battle"?

You can't always have peace.

Matt Эллен

International Risky Invention Bureau

waiwai933

19:46

Well, for one, you've got the wrong letters. :P

ЯegDwight

@JohnJunior "I are in bureau".

Luke

I R I D

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

I Require Immediate Donuts!

8

John Junior

D onuts?

Matt Эллен

throws doughnuts @Mr.ShinyandNew安宇

ЯegDwight

19:47

status-declined

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@MattЭллен Om Nom Nom!

Luke

status-accepted

ЯegDwight

Don't let the hat get too fat. It'll break your neck.

Matt Эллен

status-ambivalent

Luke

status-awesome

ЯegDwight

19:48

Who is status anyway? I only know potus and scotus.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

status-eating-donuts

John Junior

@waiwai933 Islamic Republic Of Iran Broadcasting?

ЯegDwight

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Hey status! Stop that! They were meant for Mr Shiny!

waiwai933

@JohnJunior As I said, you've got the wrong letters.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

3 mins ago, by waiwai933

Well, for one, you've got the wrong letters. :P

ЯegDwight

19:49

Jinx

Matt Эллен

Biro?

Jez

can we take the piss out of Islam in the blog? ;-)

Luke

friends-stack-exchangers-countrymen-lend-me-your-upvotes

simchona

@Jez status-pleasedontdothat

ЯegDwight

@Jez It's Islam, not Pisslam. You can't take the piss out of it.

simchona

19:50

My fake tags are failing :[

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@simchona it's the '

Matt Эллен

@simchona too much space

ЯegDwight

Sep 13 at 10:16, by ЯegDwight

Lose the whitespace.

Matt Эллен

jinx

simchona

Oh, there we go. Thanks guys!

John Junior

19:51

@waiwai933 What are the correct letters?

ЯegDwight

@MattЭллен mine is a week older. You can't claim jinx like that, you cheater.

simchona

@Jez Please stop

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

now-everything-we-say-must-be-a-tag

Luke

this-works

ЯegDwight

Oh my.

I'll go read some sheet music. BBL

Cerberus

19:51

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Such coincidence! So do I.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@ЯegDwight But everything you say is already a week older

Luke

can-a-tag-ping

Matt Эллен

@ЯegDwight you thought to post it twice I'm only claiming on second thoughts

Cerberus

@ЯegDwight Nor is it Pisslame.

ЯegDwight

@MattЭллен you will get an afterthought coke.

simchona

19:52

@ЯegDwight Does it have backwash?

Carlo_R.

0

Q: How to say "with our offering you save money"?

Which version is better (if any)? We help you save money on your next holiday. With us you are saving on your next holiday.

writing-style

Cerberus

Nor X-ratian.

Matt Эллен

metaphysically delicious

ЯegDwight

@simchona does any coke not?

Luke

@ЯegDwight Bye

Cerberus

19:52

Nor Blooddhism.

Matt Эллен

ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

Carlo_R.

Why is this question being closed?

simchona

@ЯegDwight I hope the newest coke doesn't

Luke

closed-as-too-awesome

Carlo_R.

OP said "if any"

Cerberus

19:53

Nor Duedism.

simchona

@Carlo_R. It's proof reading.

Carlo_R.

@sim Ah, I see.

John Junior

@waiwai933 IRIO?

ΜετάEd

@simchona I don't believe in proofreading. Nothing is so certain.

John Junior

BIRIO? @waiwai933

simchona

19:55

@ΜετάEd Then it's not constructive, and I didn't close it.

ЯegDwight

Proofreading would be off-topic.

Matt Эллен

5 mins ago, by Matt Эллен

Biro?

ЯegDwight

Someone should notice how the question is not closed as off-topic.

Really it's all there in the description.

Matt Эллен

it is asking for answers that will all be equally valid

is my pink car good looking? Maybe I should have a black one?

tell me internets! you're my only hopes

simchona

@Cerberus What do you think of Prudie's new format?

John Junior

19:59

4 mins ago, by John Junior

BIRIO? @waiwai933

Luke

9 mins ago, by Luke

friends-stack-exchangers-countrymen-lend-me-your-upvotes

I'll give them back in a few days

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