English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

prime

10:01

Sometimes i can't even understand the meaning of sentence from dictionary too.

Then where to look up the usage of that word?

Matt Эллен

@prime the difference is the services they offer. OALD is specifically for learners. ODO doesn't have the same learning tools, but provides other facilities

Gigili

@prime There are words in that sentence you don't understand or what?

prime

I can't use the word innuendo

How can i use this word? What's the meaning of this word?

innuendo

Matt Эллен

I'll give you some innuendo wink

Gigili

Well. Go to this page: oaadonline.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/dictionary/innuendo

Or go and visit @Matt, since he gave you some innuendo wink.

prime

10:07

innuendo means something bad?

Matt Эллен

no

Alenanno

@prime It's an allusive remark, or hint.

prime

What does that mean by allusive remark?

Matt Эллен

it is often used in a negative context, but it doesn't have to be.

prime

I know allusive means which is not true

allusive = alluding

Matt Эллен

10:09

yes, an allusive word phrase is alluding to something

Alenanno

Alluding means that you refer to something but not explicitly.

Gigili

Umm. You know, I have nothing to write about. Make something happen.

Matt Эллен

"I hear Cerberus went "on a date" last night, if you know what I mean." <- innuendo

2

prime

Ok, post here some sentence with 'innuendo'

Gigili

@MattЭллен You cannot be serious.

prime

10:12

an indirect remark about someone or something, usually suggesting something bad or offensive; the use of remarks like this

Matt Эллен

@Gigili Well, Cerb did go on a date, but my innuendo was not serious.

prime

So something bad or offensive here

indirectly saying something bad, right?

Matt Эллен

@prime yes. Bad, offensive or sexual.

implying something taboo

prime

But none is saying that bad directly to that person, right?

Meysam

thirst -> quench
hunger -> ?

Matt Эллен

10:13

@prime yes

@Meysam sate

ЯegDwight

@ΜετάEd The community standard for tagging is to tag everything correctly. In plain English, that means tagging everything usage feminine-word booger-as-adjective and then letting @jsbձոգչ fix it.

Matt Эллен

@Meysam also, quench

prime

What is happenning here? How this person post something here with tags

three tags, usage, feminine-word, booger-as-adjective

Matt Эллен

@prime to post a tag type [tag:tag-name]

prime

[tag: innuendo]

Meysam

10:15

@MattЭллен So quench can be used for both?

Gigili

@MattЭллен What about "satisfy"?

Matt Эллен

@Meysam I think so, I'm just checking

prime

[tag: usage]

ЯegDwight

Lose the whitespace.

prime

usage

innuendo

ЯegDwight

10:16

Voilà.

prime

lol

Matt Эллен

@Meysam quench is normally used with thirst, but can be used of anything.

Meysam

@prime Click on help link at the lower right corner of this page.

prime

I don't need

How tags are necessary here?

Tags are not needed

ЯegDwight

Not very.

But sometimes!

prime

10:18

It's not stackoverflow.com

It's lightweight chat

Matt Эллен

the tags link back to the main EL&U site

Meysam

@MattЭллен Thank you

Matt Эллен

no trouble

prime

Also i can't even type his name Dwig, that character is not in my keyboard

Gigili

Hah! I was correct.

google.com/…

prime

10:19

RedDwig

that reverse R

ЯegDwight

я

Matt Эллен

@Meysam I would use sate for hunger

ЯegDwight

That's not a reverse r.

Matt Эллен

Ya

prime

How would i type that character? я

I just copied it here

ЯegDwight

10:20

@MattЭллен I think tchrist posted the correct code point for a reverse R.

Meysam

@Gigili Great! It's been already answered:

36

Q: You quench your thirst. What do you do with your hunger?

What is the equivalent of "quench" when speaking of hunger? Is it appropriate to say you quenched your hunger?

ЯegDwight

Matt Эллен

Aug 25 at 15:56, by tchrist

And in particular:
ᴙ 1D19 LATIN LETTER SMALL CAPITAL REVERSED R

I had to look up the codepoint before I could quote that

ЯegDwight

Now, my question would be, how do I type that И in the screenshot that fell over? I have Y in that position.

@MattЭллен why? chat.stackexchange.com/…

Matt Эллен

@ЯegDwight That's an N that fell over, not a И

prime

10:23

How did @Meysam post such post here like the question from english.stackexchage.com highlighting with white background?

this, english.stackexchange.com/questions/58282/…

Matt Эллен

unless it fell over and turned around

ЯegDwight

@MattЭллен it did a mirror summersault while falling.

Jinx.

@prime post the link on a separate line. With nothing else there. Just the link.

Also,

prime

37

Q: You quench your thirst. What do you do with your hunger?

What is the equivalent of "quench" when speaking of hunger? Is it appropriate to say you quenched your hunger?

word-choice single-word-requests analogy

ЯegDwight

7 mins ago, by Meysam

@prime Click on help link at the lower right corner of this page.

prime

Ok

Matt Эллен

10:25

prime

That is cool, but unnecessary

ЯegDwight

Coke is always necessary.

prime

Normal regular texts are enough here for chat ,

Meysam

@prime Click on the help link at the lower right corner of this page.

prime

these look too much for chat environment

ЯegDwight

10:26

@prime no they are not.

prime

chat window doesn't need the option to post photo/picutres, these are too much

ЯegDwight

Sometimes you need a quote. Sometimes you need bold or italics. Sometimes you need a video.

Alenanno

@prime This is not IRC :P

Matt Эллен

a picture paints a thousand words. think what we've saved in bandwidth

prime

It looks like irc, what's the difference?

ЯegDwight

10:27

HAHAHAHA.

Matt Эллен

this is better - it has pictures

ЯegDwight

This chat looks nothing like IRC.

Alenanno

@prime How does it look like IRC? IRC was black and white, monospaced.

ЯegDwight

I've spent my life in IRC. I should know.

Matt Эллен

mIRC is in colour

prime

10:27

xchat

Alenanno

@MattЭллен Only the text though, if I can remember well.

prime

bur freenode irc is totaly text based

text based chat is good enough

Matt Эллен

@Alenanno well, exactly, IRC is always only text

ЯegDwight

Not for our needs.

prime

we don't need photos here

Matt Эллен

10:28

you don't need photos there

ЯegDwight

@prime I do. Who is this "we"? Pluralis majestatis?

Matt Эллен

we need them here

ЯegDwight

I want my MTV.

prime

How has it been possible here to to send photos with chat?

ЯegDwight

And yeah, nobody forces you to post pictures.

If you think you can make do with plain text, be our guest.

prime

10:30

Why isn't it possible to post picture in irc, but possible here, how?

ЯegDwight

Why is it possible to drive in a car, but not possible to drive in this chat?

Matt Эллен

this is a web chat room, it's not based on the IRC protocol

prime

LOL

What's the protocol of this chat?

Matt Эллен

SE magic protocol

ЯegDwight

See! It says лёгкий английский!

Alenanno

10:31

@ЯegDwight Ahah

ЯegDwight

АУДИОКУРС. +2 кассеты.

prime

Who developed this? How do they develop this? I'm curious to know about it's development so that i can make something like so that my friends can send photos with text during chat

Matt Эллен

@prime Stack Exchange.

prime

with me

What's the protocol?

ЯegDwight

@prime you can send an image URL via IRC, too. The difference is not in what you can send, the difference is in how you display it.

It's your browser that converts the image link into an embedded image.

Not the chat protocol.

prime

10:33

That's the difference

4

Q: Protocol and server for chat.stackoverflow.com

Hi What's the protocol and server address for "chat.stackoverflow.com" ? I want to connect to it using a messaging client like Pidgin (or XChat or Empathy) if possible. Is the protocol IRC? And Whats the servers adreess? (for example irc.freenode.net)

discussion stackoverflow stackexchange chat irc

KitFox

Hi!

prime

What is inhouse system

?

Matt Эллен

Hi @Kit!

Alenanno

@KitFox Hey there

prime

@KitFox, HI

KitFox

10:33

fidgets excitedly

A Prayer of Gramma Dee. <—I got published!

Matt Эллен

@prime inhouse, as in not from elsewhere

KitFox

Eeep!

prime

define elsewhere

If you want to chat in irc, you also have to login/connect to irc.freenode.net

ЯegDwight

@prime Elsewhere = not here.

prime

That looks same for all

You have to login from a client.

or browser

Like login in facebook

ЯegDwight

10:35

I think you should just forget about IRC altogether.

prime

facebook chat option

ЯegDwight

There are OVER 9000 chat protocols. IRC is just one of them. SE chat is just one of them. Google chat is just one of them.

Comparing SE chat to IRC is like comparing TeX.StackExchange to GeoCities: it's a fun excercise but ultimately pointless.

prime

Did they define their own protocols? Thus it makes 9000 ?

ЯegDwight

Xblast time! BBL

prime

oaadonline.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/dictionary/syllogism

This is nice ^

I just learned the meaning of syllogism

Alenanno

10:40

@ЯegDwight By the way, the original does not say "9000". But only few seem to know this.

Matt Эллен

@prime in house

prime

oaadonline.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/dictionary/syllogism

That link doesn't display anything from that page, why?

But this does,

37

Q: You quench your thirst. What do you do with your hunger?

What is the equivalent of "quench" when speaking of hunger? Is it appropriate to say you quenched your hunger?

word-choice single-word-requests analogy

Matt Эллен

@prime because that's what Stack Exchange have chosen to do. Links expand from any of the Stack Exchange sites, or any of the trilogy (Stack Overflow, Super User, Server Fault). Wikipedia, XKCD and Youtube also expand (aka onebox)

no other links onebox, as far as I know

e.g. the url en.wikipedia.org/wiki/computer will onebox on its own line:

Computer

A computer is a general purpose device that can be programmed to carry out a finite set of arithmetic or logical operations. Since a sequence of operations can be readily changed, the computer can solve more than one kind of problem. Conventionally, a computer consists of at least one processing element and some form of memory. The processing element carries out arithmetic and logic operations, and a sequencing and control unit that can change the order of operations based on stored information. Peripheral devices allow information to be retrieved from an external source, and the resu...

prime

OK

Making flashcards for each word is time consuming and cumbersome

Like there are 3000 words there in oxford

Isn't it very difficult to memorize/remember 3000 words?

Matt Эллен

yes, if you're not a native speaker

Alenanno

10:46

@prime Of course you choose the ones that you don't know, not all 3000.

Matt Эллен

learning a new language is difficult

Alenanno

And if you're not ready to spend time learning a language, you won't never learn a language.

Chris

If I quote only the middle part of a sentence, do I put ... at the start and end of the quote? Example: Peter mentioned his '...unquenchable thirst, the fatigued body ...' as being part of the reason for his actions.

prime

around 2000 words are unknown

Alenanno

@prime Learn 20 a day. It's going to 3 months.

Keep reviewing and in 3 months you will be done.

Well slightly more, but still.

prime

10:48

I have read all these 2000 words from a book, but i can't remember, i forget

all 2000 words with meaning and a sentence

Matt Эллен

you need to practice using them with other people

prime

sometimes that sentences was not understandable though

How can i use the word 'abysmal' ?

Matt Эллен

The weather is abysmal

prime

His manners are abysmal. <-- this is in dictionary

Matt Эллен

Our team lost the cup, I can't believe how abysmally they played

prime

10:50

This chat room is abysmal, is it ok?

Matt Эллен

well, that's a bit harsh!

we're alright, I think

prime

Your avater is abysmal,

Matt Эллен

@prime yes, that is a valid sentence. abysmal is an adjective

avatar*

prime

green head

Matt Эллен

It's a terrifying orc head

apparently

prime

10:52

Not green head, it's called..., i can't remember

skull

Matt Эллен

no, it is a head. the skull is on the inside

prime

@MattЭллен, you have abysmal green skull avatar. Is it ok?

Alenanno

@MattЭллен That avatar doesn't let me sleep at night! :( Terrifying!

:P

Matt Эллен

@prime well, only if you think the avatar is really bad.

abysmal tends to be used to indicate very low quality

prime

Yes, that avatar is bad, change it

Matt Эллен

10:54

@Alenanno good, good. ;)

@prime ah, I see. well I won't!

prime

You are a programmer, which programming language did/do you use?

Matt Эллен

php, python, c, c# c++, javascript, asp, vbscript, BASIC, Haskell. I mainly use c#, python and javascript

are you a programmer?

prime

Which software/website did you build?

I know some c,c++

python too

Matt Эллен

I work for a company that produces scientific equipment, so not public software

but there is my website: matthewellen.co.uk

prime

scientific softwares?

Matt Эллен

10:58

that's what I write!

prime

What are those scientific equipment? What type of equipment? Can you define some?

innuendo = oblique ?

How can i use oblique?

Matt Эллен

@prime I'd rather keep that personal information out of the chat room

prime

He obliquely said that my english is not good, is it ok?

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