English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

00:28

> On Tuesday, police and other investigators walked the silent streets of Bucha. Survivors who hid in their homes during the Russian occupation of the town, many of them past middle age, wandered past charred tanks and jagged window panes with plastic bags of food and other humanitarian aid. Red Cross workers checked in on intact homes.
Many of the dead seen by AP journalists appeared to have been shot at close range, and some had their hands bound or their flesh burned.

apnews.com/article/…

tchrist

00:45

@RobustosupportsUkraine The United Nations has failed.

It is unable to respond to these atrocities, unable to stop them, unable to even address them.

There is no such thing as safety in Europe, let alone the world.

Robusto supports Ukraine

@tchrist Yes.

It's become a soapbox for dictators.

Maybe that's all it ever was.

tchrist

It just does not apply to nuclear powers.

How can you ever respond with force to someone who threatens to destroy all life on Earth if anyone acts against them? You can't.

Robusto supports Ukraine

01:00

And with an ego big enough to do just that.

11 hours ago, by Robusto supports Ukraine

If one thing is true about humanity, it's that it can be profoundly inhumane.

tchrist

@RobustosupportsUkraine Strong point that Russia is no oligarchy, only a dictatorship.

Robusto supports Ukraine

01:16

Yes, I thought that was enlightening.

Everyone seems to be hoping that the oligarchs can put Putin in his place, but the fact is that nobody can do that. The genie is out of the bottle.

@tchrist There's also the chilling statement that Putin has reached a point in his life where it's not about money. He wants to leave his mark on the world. I presume that means for good or ill.

tchrist

@RobustosupportsUkraine He doesn't need more money at this point. It would change nothing.

Mitch

@RobustosupportsUkraine I don't think anyone -wants- to change things there.

Also I thought it was established that the oligarchs have very little power over Putin

tchrist

@Mitch Alexei Navalny.

@Mitch Just call them tycoons or robber-barons or the princes of industry or something. They don't arch anything; there is no oligarchy.

Mitch

And it was those plum wine guys, the slivovitz, or whatever their name is who hold some control, but they're 'all in'

Robusto supports Ukraine

@Mitch And yet people keep saying those oligs may yet keep him in line.

tchrist

01:26

@Mitch The security apparatchix.

Mitch

They're the probable source of P's successor

@tchrist what's the Russian word for that?

(it's what everybody seems to call them on English,)

And I can't remember it

Ever

Stupid words

tchrist

@Mitch силовики́

Robusto supports Ukraine

Mar 9 at 2:45, by Cerberus

One of his siloviki?

Mitch

Thank you all

Siloviki sounds insidious

tchrist

Such a successor would doubtless please the Chinese Emperor.

Mitch

01:30

Darth siloviki

tchrist

What do you expect from dark Slovakians?

Mitch

I could be slovakian

tchrist

The Sinovaki are just a bunch of Chinese cows.

Mitch

Buckaroo Bonsai

Robusto supports Ukraine

@Mitch I could be part Ukrainian.

Mitch

01:35

Which part?

tchrist

@Mitch Isn't that the distant swansong of a Zero on its final mission?

Robusto supports Ukraine

@Mitch The part that used to be Galicia.

Mitch

I thought it was 'Mamaaaaaa'

Robusto supports Ukraine

It's either Ukrainian or Polish. And it probably doesn't matter much which, since those people are kind of their own thing.

Mitch

@RobustosupportsUkraine there are like 10 Galicia over there. Is that the one ... Uh...near....uh....

In the wear near Poland?

Or is it near ... Ruthenia?

Robusto supports Ukraine

01:40

Feb 26 at 17:44, by Robusto

Galicia (Eastern Europe)

Galicia () or Halychyna (ɦɑlɪt͡ʃɪnɑ) (Ukrainian: Галичина; Rusyn: Галичина, romanized: Halyčyna; Polish: Galicja; Russian: Галиция, romanized: Galitsiya; Czech and Slovak: Halič; German: Galizien; Hungarian: Galícia/Gácsország/Halics; Romanian: Galiția/Halicia; Yiddish: גאַליציע, romanized: Galitsiye) was a historical and geographic region spanning what is now southeastern Poland and western Ukraine. It was once the Kingdom of Ruthenia and later a crown land of Austria-Hungary, the Kingdom of Galicia and Lodomeria, which straddled the modern-day border between Poland and Ukraine. The area, named...

Mitch

Oh. Sort of got it right.

Sort of

tchrist

@Mitch Duas.

Robusto supports Ukraine

I had never heard of Galicia until I happened to see my mother's birth certificate, which listed her parents' native states as Galicia and Ungaria (Hungary).

tchrist

@Mitch Só hai dúas Galicias, non dez.

In Galician and Portuguese, the word for "two" agrees with its noun just as much as the word for "one" does in many other languages.

dois amigos, dúas amigas

Versus just un amigo, dos amigos y una amiga, dos amigas in Spanish, or like un ami et une amie in French. That said, the "a" from una is silent in una amiga in Spanish.

Or at least, that's how English speakers would think of it.

And there is no singular form for two. :)

At least as a determiner. You could have "um dois" but that's just a two like a digit two.

Mitch

02:02

@tchrist with a little leeway I was also thinking of Galatia

tchrist

@Mitch Alþingi?

Cerberus

@tchrist Latin also does this to some degree.

tchrist

@Cerberus It does.

Mitch

It's like they were giving the title working title' but forgot to fill it in later

Cerberus

But I believe the ending -o of duo is an ancient dual, which complicates thing.

Cf. ambo.

tchrist

02:05

Oh gee whiz, yeah.

That's another word that's never singular: ambos, ambas.

Cerberus

I don't know whether this is established or suspected.

tchrist

Whether ambo was originally a dual, I don't know.

Cerberus

But the masculine nominative usually is -o, and the feminine sometimes as well.

tchrist

There was some reanalysis of that word in its evolution to modern Romance.

Cerberus

And no doubt also in Latin.

Then there is tres, which can show case as well.

Though not gender, that I know.

tchrist

02:08

Part of it is that they grabbed the accusative form not the nominative form.

So you had your -s there.

Cerberus

Yeah, they all love the acc.

tchrist

I never remember why, just that it was so.

Mitch

@tchrist I think that's all it ever is

tchrist

Even Italian used the accusative for their modern forms. Just not the -s aspect.

Cerberus

I believe it is because all cases but the nominative blended together into the objective case.

Which has a lot more uses than the nominative, so it was the most frequent case.

tchrist

02:11

People use me more than I. :)

Cerberus

Exactly.

But we do have plenty of reflexes of the nominative left, did I ever link to my answer on Linguistics here?

tchrist

Old French did retain a nominative-vs-oblique distinction for longer than other Western Romance.

But it's long gone now.

> As in most other Romance languages, it was the oblique case form that usually survived to become the Modern French form: l'enfant "the child" represents the old oblique (Latin accusative īnfāntem); the OF nominative was li enfes ( Lat īnfāns).

@Cerberus I think you did.

> Old French maintained a two-case system, with a nominative case and an oblique case, longer than some other Romance languages (e.g. Spanish and Italian). Case distinctions, at least in the masculine gender, were marked on both the definite article and on the noun itself.

Cerberus

Right.

tchrist

If those Old French had had any scruples, they'd have marked it on the adjective as well. :)

> In later Old French, these distinctions became moribund. When the distinctions were marked enough, sometimes both forms survived, with a lexical difference: both li sire (nominative, Latin senior) and le seigneur (oblique, Latin seniorem)) survive in the vocabulary of later French as different ways to refer to a feudal lord.

> As in most other Romance languages, it was the oblique case form that usually survived to become the modern French form: l'enfant (the child) represents the old accusative; the OF nominative was li enfes. But some modern French nouns perpetuate the old nominative; modern French sœur (OF suer) represents the Latin nominative soror; the OF oblique form seror, from Latin accusative sororem, no longer survives.

> Many personal names preserve the old nominative as well, as indicated by their final -s, such as Charles, Georges, Gilles, Jacques, and Jules.

Cerberus

Makes sense.

tchrist

02:17

But not Aethiops. :)

Just not a common French name.

Cerberus

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A: Which Romance languages have reflexes of the Latin nominative in nouns?

Apparently, many subjective and objective (cas régime) forms of words were still used in Middle French, at least into the late Middles Ages, if you go through the etymologies of French words. Here are some examples of words in modern French that are reflexes of the Latin nominative, from the Cent...

> La forme unique du français moderne dérive le plus souvent du cas régime. Il y a cependant un certain nombre d'exceptions où c'est le cas sujet qui a survécu, concernant les noms de personnes : ex. prestre / provoire (« prêtre »), ancestre / ancessor (« ancêtre »), traïtre / traïtor (« traître »), suer / seror (« sœur ») et de nombreux prénoms. Dans quelques cas, le cas sujet et le cas régime se sont tous deux maintenus dans la langue moderne, parfois avec des sens différents : c'est le cas pour gars / garçon, copain / compagnon, sire / seigneur, pâtre / pasteur, nonne / nonnain et pute /…

tchrist

Cas sujet is a nice revision.

I hate having to explain the term "nominative case" when people use it for things like I, thou, he, we.

Cerberus

I have forgotten why they called the objective case régime.

Because it is governed by something?

A bad movement of generals?

tchrist

@Cerberus Good question. This doesn't seem to say.

Cerberus

A bad movement of succession?

tchrist

02:27

Oh, I thought it was that thing those Ukraine-slain Russian generals came down with.

Cerberus

Hmm.

tchrist

Like they zigged when they should have zagged. Because they weren't sure what Z meant.

Cerberus

I think perhaps whoever coined that term spoke English?

tchrist

heh

Cerberus

Because I think perhaps the wrong sense of "succession" may have been chosen.

The Red Army has not improved much, it seems.

One wonders why she trusts Putin's media so much.

tchrist

02:30

Quite.

Cerberus

I thought people from the Soviet Union normally distrusted government?

@tchrist The odd thing is that the casus rectus in Latin is the nominative.

tchrist

Trumpists who believe every single mad thing he says also distrust government, unless it's from their feckless leader.

Cerberus

The nominative is the straight, orthogonal case; the other cases are oblique.

@tchrist Yeah, at least they probably still didn't really trust the government when he led it?

tchrist

@Cerberus Et habemus casum rectum, non? :)

Cerberus

Habemus.

tchrist

02:35

@CowperKettle One of these will turn you in eventually.

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Weren't something like 20% of East Germans Stasi informants?

All these Cold War flashbacks are worse than just disturbing.

More cas régime, and again the mystery.

> Une mention particulière doit être faite au sujet des finales latines en -ō, dont l'accusatif était en -ōnem, à l'origine d'une opposition -Ó / -ÓNE en gallo-roman aboutissant en ancien français à un cas régime en -on s'opposant à un cas sujet sans marque particulière. Ces finales sont fréquentes dans les mots d'origine germanique (noms propres et noms communs) désignant des personnes, et passés en gallo-roman.

> Par contre, le cas sujet s'est plus souvent maintenu pour les noms propres, et tout particulièrment dans les prénoms : c'est là l'origine du -s final de Charles, Jacques, Georges, Gilles où il est étymologique (latin Carolus, Jacobus, Georgius, Ægidius), mais aussi de Hugues ou Yves, où il est analogique (Hugo, Ivo, formes latinisées de noms germaniques).

Dans certains cas, le -s a disparu : Jean, Pierre, Philippe s'écrivaient autrefois Jeans, Pierres, Philippes (en latin médiéval Johannes, Petrus, Philippus).

That last Dans certains cas could have been rephrased without using the word cas.

And probably should have been. :)

> Ces formes sont issues, par l'intermédiaire du gallo-roman, de celles d'un nom latin appartenant à la deuxième, troisième [1], quatrième et cinquième déclinaisons; pour les substantifs issus de la deuxième déclinaison, l'opposition sujet / régime se manifeste également au pluriel :

Cas sujet : murs < MÚRUS < nominatif latin mūrus [2].
Cas régime : mur < MÚRU < accusatif latin mūrum [3].
Ces formes se retrouvaient inversées au pluriel :

Cas sujet : mur < MÚRI < nominatif latin mūrī.
Cas régime : murs < MÚROS < accusatif latin mūros.

Okay, now I see why it died. :)

Cerberus

02:58

So sad.

M.A.R.

12:55

> Your face looks like eggplant.

Why are you making your mouth as that of a moron?

What are you doing?

Do you have any problem?

You folks need to chill

English example sentences: "Mary is riding a bike." Bagri example sentence: "Ur face is 🍆"

Cerberus

@CowperKettle I those are the same crematoria they use to burn the bodies of their own soldiers, which we read about earlier?

But, yeah, that is not good, trying to hide civilian deaths.

@CowperKettle I would hesitate to call that a supine.

I would only use it in Latin.

M.A.R.

@Cerberus fortunately I have no experience of such things, but I would expect it to be rather typical of any large-scale conflict

Cerberus

Well, it is true that this has happened before, in other wars.

But I think not by great powers, in the past half century?

I mean, when these things happen as a pattern, not as an exception.

And I think what makes it extra shocking is how they do it to their "brother people".

M.A.R.

@Cerberus I think it's highly probable that it happened in Vietnam, but that's besides the point

Cerberus

13:10

@M.A.R. Yeah, it did.

OK, slightly less than 50 years ago.

M.A.R.

@Cerberus It's sorta a road rage-like anger I suppose. It makes it worse that they look alike, because there are some things some people wish on their neighbors that they don't on strangers

Cerberus

Hmm I rather think soldiers prefer to commit atrocities against people that do not feel familiar?

M.A.R.

It is shocking though, for sure. I mean, to justify our proxy war with Israel in Syria, my goverment went to great lengths, and we're talking about my government here

Cerberus

So, about Vietnam, I do not know whether atrocities were actually planned by the leaders?

M.A.R.

@Cerberus of course, I'm saying this is channeling something different, I think

Cerberus

13:13

I don't know!

I do know that the Russians also did this in Chechnya.

Which was part of Russia.

But the Chechens were not a "brother people": they were Muslims, and Russia had indeed suffered from Chechen terrorist attacks.

Because Chechens wanted to be independent.

In Syria, the Russians were are brutal as they are now in Ukraine.

But Syrians are far away and nothing like Russians.

In Georgia, I think there was no time/opportunity to commit atrocities?

@CowperKettle I believe random American citizens have said the same thing about other countries.

Yeah, it is shocking.

The Dutch colonial army also committed atrocities in Indonesia in the 40s.

Though I do not think those were planned from above.

Vikas

@Cerberus I didn't expect Robusto would remove his comment after giving me that word. So I didn't pay much attention in hiding it.

M.A.R.

@CowperKettle I suppose it's a blessing for me that I'm growing up in an era of disillusionment

Vikas

I found out now that he had deleted the comment.

Cerberus

@CowperKettle Ah, yes, the Congo was the king's private playing-ground.

China has not fought any big wars since Mao.

I have no idea how the Chinese army would behave now.

I'm sure, though, that they will be very methodical in whatever they decide to do.

Robusto supports Ukraine

13:29

> The allegations of war crimes raise the stakes for China's position. Beijing's apparent boosting of Russian propaganda is consistent with its stance since the beginning of the invasion, as it refuses to condemn Russia -- at home or in its diplomacy -- even as the civilian death toll grows.
Instead, Beijing has sought to portray itself as a neutral actor, calling for peace while blaming the situation on the United States.

Well, there it is. America is at fault for all of this.

> "It is regrettable that after the exposure of the 'Bucha incident,' the US, the initiator of the Ukraine crisis, has not shown any signs of urging peace and promoting talks, but is ready to exacerbate the Russia-Ukraine tensions," the editorial said.

@Cerberus You left out "ruthless" ...

Cerberus

@RobustosupportsUkraine Yeah, China is not to be trusted in any way.

Except that it is much less expansionist and interventionist.

Robusto supports Ukraine

@CowperKettle That's what people here used to say about Vietnam. "Bomb them back to the Stone Age!" It is the cry of stupid people everywhere.

M.A.R.

@RobustosupportsUkraine okay the whole NATO thing is important context, but that "initiator" line is bullshit

Cerberus

And it has a better view of its own interest; what China wants above all is stability.

Robusto supports Ukraine

@Cerberus Yes. Speaking of ruthlessness, Leopold's actions in the Congo were a horrifying example.

Cerberus

13:41

Indeed.

But, somehow, it would have been more shocking if he had done this in, say, Luxemburg.

M.A.R.

Random question, do they still use chrism for baptism?

Cerberus

No more immoral, but more shocking.

M.A.R.

The baptisms I've seen on TV are just a regrettable dip into water with your clothes on

Robusto supports Ukraine

@Cerberus Only because more news coverage, I think.

Cerberus

That helps, but I think it is also because such things are less expected against a "brother nation".

Robusto supports Ukraine

13:44

@M.A.R. Possibly in Roman Catholic rites, but Protestants like to use a river because that is supposedly how John the Baptist did it.

M.A.R.

Oh, so I've only ever seen protestants baptised on TV?

Vikas

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@M.A.R. I'm 1000% sure you can solve it.

Robusto supports Ukraine

14:05

@M.A.R. I don't know, but if they are fully immersed then yes.

Roman Catholic baptisms take place in a church, and a small amount of liquid is poured on the baby's forehead.

How to baptize people varies widely among Protestant sects, and is a point of differentiation and segmentation. There was even a group called the "40 Gallon Baptists" (because that was their prescribed amount of christening water).

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Another easy one.

@Vikas How did you not recognize that shape?

Cerberus

Hey, be nice.

Not everyone is into maps.

Robusto supports Ukraine

@Cerberus I said nothing not nice, no.

But that is one of the most prominent geographical features in the world, surely.

Cerberus

I think it is not polite.

Robusto supports Ukraine

They even have a name for it: The _______ of ____________.

@Cerberus It's just a friendly razz. But if @Vikas is truly hurt or offended I will apologize.

Vikas

@RobustosupportsUkraine My bad. I have seen that area a few days ago but I didn't remember it.

Robusto supports Ukraine

14:19

@Vikas I hope you weren't offended by my question.

Vikas

@RobustosupportsUkraine Not at all!

Robusto supports Ukraine

QED ^_^

There are obvious signs of coastline(s) that you should be looking for.

Vikas

> Latin abbreviation for quod erat demonstrandum: "Which was to be demonstrated." Q.E.D. may appear at the conclusion of a text to signify that the author's overall argument has just been proven.

Robusto supports Ukraine

Yup.

Vikas

Difficult to remember

Robusto supports Ukraine

14:24

@Vikas It was a favorite term in Middle Ages philosophy.

Vikas

Ok

Robusto supports Ukraine

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I got lucky again.

Vikas

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@RobustosupportsUkraine I used your tips from yesterday and Lo!

Robusto supports Ukraine

Good job!

Vikas

jlliagre

14:34

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Robusto supports Ukraine

@Vikas Just a small point. Animaged GIFs can be annoying unless that chat is moving quickly.

Vikas

@RobustosupportsUkraine 👍

Robusto supports Ukraine

So let's get this chat moving!

And again!

And once more!

Vikas

Yeah

Robusto supports Ukraine

Hmm, still not enough.

Vikas

14:36

Let's do it

jlliagre

That reminds the Internet 1.0 "under contruction" gifs.

Robusto supports Ukraine

We can if we try.

Vikas

A few more

Robusto supports Ukraine

@jlliagre Yeah. Which meant "We really don't have a website yet and aren't sure how to do it."

Ah, the old days of the Internet.

Vikas

I think this puzzle is not that difficult, as much as I had declared a few days ago.

It was my bad. I was playing it without understanding how it works and the rules.

I thought it was some sort of crossword

Robusto supports Ukraine

14:38

It's usually not hard, except in the kind of case I mentioned.

Vikas

Yes, and yesterday's words were difficult

Robusto supports Ukraine

My question for today: Do desert aerobes all live in Saudi Aerobia?

Vikas

Do all desert aerobes live in Saudi Aerobia?

Robusto supports Ukraine

That is a rephrasing of my question, yes.

Vikas

I think what you wrote has different meaning.

Robusto supports Ukraine

14:43

Nope. Same meaning, different word order.

Vikas

Okay. It sounded little incorrect/casual to me.

Or maybe like Indian English.

Robusto supports Ukraine

Casual is not incorrect.

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And the Latin one! ^

@Cerberus: Today's Latin was pretty easy. It was a word I knew.

Cerberus

Congrats!

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Robusto supports Ukraine

I lucked into a good distribution.

Haha, took me longer on the Spanish.

Because there were multiple words with the same possible letter position.

single-word-request I need a word for a Wordle with multiple ways of filling a 4/5 completion.

I took a look at the Japanese Wordle, but I'm not even going to try that one.

They do it in hiragana, and that means each wordle has five syllables. Which means too many possibilities.

Vikas

15:02

> Western sanctions against Russia must expand to include oil and gas sales, members of the US Congress told US Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen on Wednesday.

Robusto supports Ukraine

Not everything translates.

Vikas

What is English word for the black solid thing (not ashes) we get after burning a wood at home?

Coal?

Robusto supports Ukraine

@Vikas It could be "a coal" ... coal without the article is something different.

It can also be called a clinker.

Vikas

@RobustosupportsUkraine Okay. Now my doubt is coal is used for those natural resources. E.g. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal

Cerberus

As a mass noun, charcoal.

Vikas

15:05

So it's basically not the thing we get at home.

Robusto supports Ukraine

@Cerberus Yes. That is the best rendering.

But when you make a wood fire and it burns down to a glowing ash, you call those coals or embers.

Vikas

See this: thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/…

The black part of the wood. Basically after you pour water over it, it remains as a solid black thing.

Cerberus

I'd normally call that charcoal.

Vikas

Ok

Also clinker is a different thing I think.

Cerberus

Possibly cinder.

But I think I'd use that when it is still hot?

Robusto supports Ukraine

15:09

Clinker is mostly used for actual coal, but you hear it a lot to describe the unburned residue of a wood fire.

Vikas

It can be used again to start fire again in those Indian Chulha

It is also used in some non electric irons.

Robusto supports Ukraine

@Vikas If it's used to start another fire it's called charcoal.

Vikas

I'll find a suitable picture

@Cerberus I think you are right. I could find many Indian youtube videos when I searched Hindi term for that particular thing I'm discussed about. It was same thing and they called it charcoal

Cerberus

Yeah.

Vikas

@RobustosupportsUkraine Yeah I think this is right word

Cerberus

15:13

It's just that you normally wouldn't say "a charcoal", I think.

Vikas

> Coal is a natural mineral that forms over the span of millions of years while charcoal is a manufactured product created from wood.

@Cerberus I have mostly used Hindi word for it, which is called Koyla

But Google translates it as Coal. Which is not always right.

@Cerberus So what would you call it casually?

Coal?

Cerberus

I would call it charcoal.

Countable: a piece of charcoal.

Vikas

Okay

In rural areas, it was used to clean teeth. It was common in my village too when I was a child. I also tried it once.

Cerberus

Hmm.

Burned substances are often carcinogenic.

I would not use it to clean my teeth.

Vikas

Maybe.

I have also tried those "Neem brush" to clean teeth at same age.

Cerberus

15:22

I believe chimney sweepers used to have a much higher chance of developing ball cancer.

Vikas

They are still common.

Cerberus

Are those the wood that you chew on?

To make it into a kind of brush.

Vikas

Yes. First you remove a fresh small branch from Neem tree, then chew it to make it like brush on one side and then do it!

But it's also not so good experience.

Cerberus

I have one here!

But I haven't used it yet.

Why not good?

Vikas

It has its own small pros and more cons I think.

It can bleed your gums if not used properly.

It bled mine.

Cerberus

15:24

Hmm I can imagine.

That's what happens when I try toothpicks.

Vikas

And not to mention bitter taste :D

Cerberus

Hmm.

Vikas

@Cerberus What? Tree or the "brush"?

Its fruits are even bitter.

Cerberus

The brush: one branch.

Robusto supports Ukraine

@Cerberus In London in past centuries, chimney sweeps were often as young as three years old. I'm guessing they didn't last long.

Cerberus

15:27

It may be from a different tree: I think a friend brought it to me from the Near East.

@RobustosupportsUkraine We've probably read the same article.

Robusto supports Ukraine

Charcoal is often used for purifying air.

Vikas

Once upon a time I was a kid. And a neighborhood guy (who was friendly with me and my family) made me fool. He acted like he is eating those fruits (when they are green they are bitter) and told me they are so sweet.

I believed him and chew one. I felt really bad.

@Cerberus Okay. Is it available in market or made at home?

Azadirachta indica is scientific name.

Cerberus

It is packaged in plastic!

Let me see whether I can find it.

Vikas

Oh

Nevermind

I can see it easily on Amazon too.

Cerberus

Hmm I have no idea where it is.

Vikas

15:32

I never thought they are sold online.

It means they are way too common.

Robusto supports Ukraine

Update Chrome again to avoid yet another zero-day exploit.

Vikas

I use Chrome's brother.

Or in fact, I use Chrome's soul only. I have a different body for the browser.

Cerberus

Better use Firefox.

Vikas

Never loved it.

Cerberus

15:47

It is open and free, not made by Google.

Made for privacy.

Robusto supports Ukraine

@Cerberus Yeah, I want to love it for those reasons. And I use it as my second browser. But I love the non-tracking features in Brave, so that's what I use.

Cerberus

I just do not trust Brave.

Besides, is it as open as Firefox?

Robusto supports Ukraine

@Cerberus Why don't you trust it?

@Cerberus Probably not, but there are degrees of everything.

Cerberus

Brave (web browser)

Brave is a free and open-source web browser developed by Brave Software, Inc. based on the Chromium web browser. Brave is a privacy-focused browser, which automatically blocks online advertisements and website trackers in its default settings. It also provides users the choice to turn on optional ads that pay users for their attention in the form of Basic Attention Tokens (BAT) cryptocurrency. Users can then send contributions to websites and content creators, which support BAT in the form of tips along with the ability to keep the cryptocurrency they earned.Brave Software's headquarters are in...

Some controversies.

And I think there was more.

I trust Mozilla better.

Robusto supports Ukraine

I got really used to using Chrome for Web development, and that's why I use a version of it for most things. Firefox has idiosyncrasies that I don't feel comfortable with.

Vikas

15:53

I know some people who use Brave.

Cerberus

Have some ideals, people!

Firefox works well.

Robusto supports Ukraine

> A February 2020 research report published by the School of Computer Science and Statistics at Trinity College Dublin tested six browsers and deemed Brave to be the most private of them, in terms of phoning home: "In the first (most private) group lies Brave, in the second Chrome, Firefox and Safari, and in the third (least private) group lie Edge and Yandex."[107]

@Cerberus Yes, and as I mentioned it's my secondary browser, the one I use when I need to do exhaustive searches and don't care about privacy.

Vikas

I want Edge at number 2.

One way to achieve that is delete all those IE in whoever is using it and install Edge 😂

Did you also use UC browser once upon a time?

On phones.

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