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16:10
Our fire is at 200 acres and 21% containment this morning, which has allowed all but ~2k of the original ~20k evacuees to return home. It dropped down to freezing or a bit below in the burn area. Choppers aren't able to use the closest reservoirs to load up water from because they're still frozen over, so have to go back east to get unfrozen water. Fire seems to have started along a very popular hiking route.
Who knows? Maybe a discarded but still smouldering cigarette butt or joint roach from a hiker. But that's always a potential source, and usually proves to be a wrong guess.
Most hikers don't smoke cigarettes, especially out in the drylands.
> Russia is visually confirmed to have lost in Ukraine in one month the entire tank stock of the French Army and half of the stock of the British Army.
Put that way, that does seem a bit careless of them, now doesn’t it?
Interesting that Britain should have twice France’s allotment of tanks.
Luckily for Russia, she had 35 times as many tanks as has France.
Although one wonders how many of those are actually operable.
16:28
And how many have corroded XD
Earlier there was some mention about why Russia isn't sending in more of its purported millionish-man army. I've read that they've already deployed 75% of their mobilizable force. If 200k are there and that's really 75% of the total, then the total is closer to 267k than to 1m.
Some of the photos of captured Russians look more like Mongolians than Ukrainians to me.
I've been hearing nothing but choppers overhead all morning. My local lake is unfrozen.
But I haven't seen them drop down to it to take up more water. Not sure what they're doing.
@tchrist millionish-man?
Estimates at the number of troops that Russia possesses in total.
The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, commonly known as the Russian Armed Forces, are the combined military forces of Russia. They comprise the world's fifth-largest military in terms of active-duty personnel, with at least 2 million reserve personnel. Their branches consist of the Ground Forces, Navy, and Aerospace Forces, as well as three independent arms of service: the Strategic Rocket Forces, Airborne Forces, and Special Operations Forces. Under the federal law of Russia, the Russian Armed Forces, alongside the Border Guard of the Federal Security Service (FSB), the National Guard, the...
> Military age 18–27[1]
Conscription 1 year[2]
Active personnel 1,014,000[3] (ranked 5th)
Reserve personnel 2,000,000[4]
Ukraine doesn't let men under sixty flee the country right now unless they have more than two children or some condition making them unable to help defend their nation. You don't get a free pass out just because you're over 27.
I imagine this is common enough in wartime but recent examples don't come easily to my mind.
16:47
@tchrist I have seen similar remarks in newspapers, but incongruity with the numbers mentioned normally for the Russian army are not explained.
This is interesting. Looks like USA can handle several countries alone in a war (non nuclear war).
Absolutely.
@Vikas Having to fight in two completely separate theaters during the Second World War, one across the Atlantic and the other across the Pacific, was a lesson not to be quickly forgotten.
Why would you call those "theatres"?
Why not simply "places"?
Or even "regions"?
Or, conventionally, "fronts"?
@tchrist theatees = continent?
16:54
Well, because that's what you call them. It's more than a front.
I would never call them that...
> A region where a particular action takes place; a specific field of action, usually with reference to war.

His grandfather was in the Pacific theater during the war.
Ok
Why would you use that word?
Because it's the word that's used.
16:55
People use many words.
I'm hardly an innovator.
I know, I have heard it before.
I suspect it is some cliché that was copied too many times.
@Cerberus It will make text eye catchy ;)
A deadish metaphor.
You should ask a question on the main site.
16:56
@Vikas ...and that is exactly what I was afraid of.
The Brits use the word to mean what we call an operating room.
@tchrist Anyway I didn't get what you meant.
When they speak of surgical theatres.
I abhor using 'sophisticated' words, or clichés, when simple words will do.
Operating theatres.
Which is also strange.
But probably has a different history.
I think perhaps surgery could once be performed to an audience?
A theatre is a place where people watch.
A building or room.
@Cerberus Not always, according to Semantle.
16:58
@Vikas I mean that that war required America to defend itself by sending massive amounts of men and materiel to what was in effect two separate wars, ones too widely separated to share resources or command structures.
Yes, a Zweifrontenkrieg is very difficult.
Inadvisable if you can avoid it.
Hitler could have avoided it.
But he was stupid.
We're just lucky Mexico didn't attack at the same time. :)
@Cerberus Rather.
Imagine a Zweitheaterkrieg.
Drei.
But yeah.
No donner nor blitzen for the long hall.
I also feel that this overused metaphor/cliché trivialises war, as though it were some kind of play.
17:00
I don't think it was that.
Why don't you please ask on the main site? We could use something real.
I never ask anything on the main site, because I can normally find answers myself haha.
I like answering better.
@tchrist I don't know history in details. One was against Hitler and the other? Japan?
If "operating theater" is acceptable for Mister Surgeon then why not for General Belligerent?
Mexico was enemy of USA?
@Vikas How do you not know about the second world war?
17:02
@tchrist I know through only movies and some school textbooks.
@Vikas That was not the joke. You need to understand the context of the times, and the size of the forces involved.
I mean I know but not in much detail.
@Vikas Apparently you didn't lose many family members to that war like most of the rest of us here did.
@tchrist That is a truth.
The hardship and sacrifice of the twencen wars cannot be overstated.
Despite the previous century also being terrible.
17:04
I think India wasn't directly involved in WW1 or 2.
Otherwise we would see it in COD games XD
> In World War I the Indian Army fought against the German Empire on the Western Front. At the First Battle of Ypres, Khudadad Khan became the first Indian to be awarded a Victoria Cross.
> The Indian Army during World War II was one of the largest Allied forces contingents which took part in the North and East African Campaign, Western Desert Campaign. At the height of the second World War, more than 2.5 million Indian troops were fighting Axis forces around the globe.
Well
Maybe because Indian army fought for UK.
What's a measly two and a half million of your countrymen in battle? Too few to remember.
17:06
But I haven't seen any mention of Indian role in World War in an Indian movie.
@tchrist I'm not sure how acceptable that is. I know it is used, but I don't know its history.
Okay this is why the world will see catastrophic wars again in this century. Because they are uneducated in their own history.
However, I believe threatre of war is new, not old.
@Vikas It is not about ****** movies, dude!!!!
Or ****** video games, for the love of all that's holy.
@tchrist Of course. But usually Indian movies try to find any topic especially about showing patriotism. So they wouldn't miss it.
17:09
@tchrist But it does mean that the memory is not very vivid in Indian society/culture.
Wean yourself of the teat of media.
I think Indian army was counted as British army at that time.
Yes, probably.
Those were your people!!
Of course.
17:09
I am stunned and greatly troubled.
Apparently you only remember wars in which your own cities were destroyed.
It is otherwise with us.
The Indian Army during World War II, a British force also referred to as the British Indian Army, began the war, in 1939, numbering just under 200,000 men. By the end of the war, it had become the largest volunteer army in history, rising to over 2.5 million men in August 1945. Serving in divisions of infantry, armour and a fledgling airborne force, they fought on three continents in Africa, Europe and Asia.The army fought in Ethiopia against the Italian Army, in Egypt, Libya, Tunisia and Algeria against both the Italian and German armies, and, after the Italian surrender, against the German Army...
George Washington's forces were also born British. So what?
@Cerberus That they do not teach their children about the two world wars enough to stick with them frightens me.
Remember the Hitler shops in India?
Fucking A.
I think Indian government didn't talk about our people who fought in World Wars. As much as they give importance to surgical strike in Pakistan.


That is one reason.
> These campaigns cost the lives of over 87,000 Indian servicemen, while 34,354 were wounded, and 67,340 became prisoners of war. [..] Field Marshal Claude Auchinleck, Commander-in-Chief of the Indian Army from 1942, asserted that the British "couldn't have come through both wars (World War I and II) if they hadn't had the Indian Army."
@Vikas Surgical strike my butt.
Yeah
@Cerberus Sounds like they're the bad guys then. Who knew?
Although people in other countries have also used the name Hitler for shops.
Like Egypt.
The owner said he didn't know who Hitler was, just liked the word. Didn't know anything about 'politics'.
I also know people blamed Indian police who helped British in India. They called them traitors.
@Cerberus Okay, so more than a billion people are idiots.
@tchrist Not bad, just ignorant.
17:17
I guess we already knew that. I always forget.
They will inevitably be catastrophically disabused of their collective ignorance in the fullness of time and holocausts nuclear or otherwise.
@tchrist we are more aware of this army because it didn't fight for British: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_National_Army
I wouldn't expect indigenous tribesmen in Amazônia to know anything about it either. Or wear clothes. Or be able to read.
And I'm sure people know more about this here.
Because they were against British and wanted India's freedom during WW2
@Vikas Those are the Hitlers.
The bad guys.
The monsters.
The orcs.
So no wonder India is kissing ass to Putin.
I don't know but it is glorified more in our school textbooks
Apparently that is why India don't tend to remember the British Indian army
@tchrist Also there are two aspects of this. India was fighting to get freedom at that moment.
Also that history chapter is complicated anyway.
 
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18:38
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> Putin will be known as one of the greatest Russian heroes down the line. He stood for Russian people and the whole world is proud of him.
LOL
Another comment I read.
Who would write this?
Misinformed people.
18:54
@M.A.R. Yeah, that should have been my first thought.
@Vikas People looking to get entertained. People betting on the losing horse because if they win, they win big. The spectators
 
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20:45
@tchrist I wonder if, when starting the operation, surgeons make airplane sounds when cutting the patient with a scalpel
@tchrist yes, because we've rarely, if ever, been the aggressors
Hmm, I don't know much about WW2 Iran. Well, except that Reza shah declared us neutral. That and this:
The Iranian famine of 1942–1943 refers to a period of major starvation that took place in Iran, which was under the rule of the Pahlavi dynasty. Iran at the time was occupied by the United Kingdom and Soviet Union despite being a neutral country in the Second World War.During the occupation, both the British and the Soviets tried to strengthen their influence in their respective zones. The allies took control over the Iranian rail network and contracted half of Iran's publicly- and privately-owned trucks, thus occupying 75 percent of the country's food distribution capacity in the midst of the...
@Cerberus There's always this undercurrent of inferiority complex in 3rd world nations. Right there in the name! WW2 happened to you people. We both begrudge and are in awe of you people. All the important stuff happens to you, even if we have occasionally tagged along. Some of us hate you but no one denies that the real stuff happens in Europe and North America. It's the frontier of progress and evolution.
That's part of why independence days matter. They're triumph over great evil. Oh, nothing small and weak, like a tyrant or a civil war, no, Indians drove out these European aliens from their homeland, as did Iranians. Yes, it's much more a celebration of that than the color of the skin of the new autocrats
Then it becomes easier to see why WW2 is so distant to Indians. It's the Silmarillion to our Lord of the Rings.
21:25
In warfare, a theater or theatre (see spelling differences) is an area in which important military events occur or are progressing. A theater can include the entirety of the airspace, land and sea area that is or that may potentially become involved in war operations. == Theater of war == In his book On War, Carl von Clausewitz defines the term Kriegstheater (translating the older, 17th-century Latin term theatrum belli) as one that: Denotes properly such a portion of the space over which war prevails as has its boundaries protected, and thus possesses a kind of independence. This protection...
But I suspect y’all knew that.
 
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23:25
@Xanne Maybe @Cerberus didn't realize that that's what you call it in English (and I guess German originally)
23:42
@Mitch Latin theatrum belli! I thought @Cerberus was our go-to guy on these ancient languages.
I wonder what Sun Yat-sen used that was more specific than “area.”

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