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18:00
@RegDwightАΑA Got a work tug before I could find the dupes.
Pah. Work.
Oh, my feelings entirely.
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Q: Use of hyphens when writing repeated compound words that has common parts

Christian Dalheim ØienIn my native language, Norwegian, one uses hyphens when stating two or more copulated compound words that has common parts (words). In a thesis I'm working on, should I write test specimens, test setups and test results or could I write (like in Norwegian) test specimens, -setups and -results?

Yes, that was it.
Speaking of work, we're having an audit at work today.
18:01
I looked for distributed hyphens. ENOJOY.
@Mahnax I just would rather a question that (1) is the reference question we often close other questions as dupes of, and (2) has a highly rated answer, should look (you know) - like something better (or a bit better) than - like, you know - a ransom note.
@Mahnax Inventory, I presume?
@tchrist Nope. They'll be making sure we're adhering to each and every standard, and that our restaurant is spotless.
@tchrist Did you see that user's response?
@KitFox Yes, I just now read it. I was trying to reinforce what he wrote, because I didn't get it on the first read.
Because I'd like to remove the comments if you feel the issue is resolved.
Well, I think it looks bad.
But I am more than happy to let anybody-but-me edit it.
18:04
What looks bad now?
Really?
Let's see, where to start. How about ((((five)))) parenthetical statements?
That's just choppy and ugly. It should be integrated into the text.
Your answer contradicts itself. Note the restriction: "may be used when a single base word is used with separate, consecutive, hyphenated words". Nineteenth-century has a hyphen; so does investor-owned. But software and hardware are not hyphenated, so "soft- and hardware" is a no-no. — RegDwight АΑA 18 secs ago
Next, he talks about "historical nouns", which might well include things like skerries and eyots. I think he actually means proper nouns, since that is one he gave examples of. What is an historical noun? I added the word proper, which he deleted. But he provided no non-proper historical nouns as examples.
@RegDwightАΑA ++
Well seriously.
I hope the OP still catches that.
Next he is backticking instead of italicizing.
18:07
He said he objected to you putting words in his mouth.
And capitalizing all Nouns.
That really does not look very good.
He didn't seem bothered by the rest.
I put an "I" where I thought he intended it.
He's probably from SO.
Do you want to give it another go? What would you like to do?
18:09
I would not feel comfortable editing it again, and I would be both happy and thankful if you did this.
The sentence I added was " In other words, I once upon a time learnt it should be written James’ instead of James’s."
Because that is what I thought he was saying.
Yeah, I saw the edit history. Let me see what I do.
He rambles (with discursive stuff), you know like.
I wanted to tighten the prose.
Thank you. Back to work.
snerkle
OFFS he’s from LaTeX — and he can’t write.
Wel, and somewhat from Math.SE, which may go more towards explaining it.
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A: What are the guidelines for usage of "will" and "is/are going to"?

BrakeI am trying to digging this issue. thanks for the answers and the question. I got another materials about this topic, see below(from the internet): We use both will and going to to talk about our future action, but there is a clear difference. Helen’s bicycle has a flat tire. She tells her fathe...

18:14
And to think he as a job as an amanuensis. :)-(:
@RegDwightАΑA Bogglebits.
@Reg I can’t NARQ answers.
This answer is a Augean stables, but thankfully I can fix it like an Gordean knot.
But you know what.
The accepted answer is crappy, too.
Post a better one.
The stables is gone.
Will is used to refer to a spontaneous decision? Well, I never!
@RegDwightАΑA Give me a heads-up before you get to @Cerberus: I wanna watch.
Wha?
18:18
He, two, will be flooded like an Augean knot.
In fact he already moved to Holland just for that.
Hrmpf.
If textboxes don't have "", then what do they have?
Stop balrogging me.
@RegDwightАΑA Down there in that submarine super-oxygenated cesspool of too much free O₂ not to mention H₂O.
Oh! Ahahahaha. smacks self in head
18:21
We like our H2O.
@Cerberus Then suddenly Morgoth sent forth great rivers of flame that ran down swifter than Balrogs from Thangorodrim, and poured over all the plain...In the front of that fire came Glaurung the golden, father of dragons, in his full might; and in his train were Balrogs, and behind them came the black armies of the Orcs in multitudes such as the Noldor had never seen or imagined.
Don't you mean with winged speed?
Here's some H2O for you.
That looks wet.
I'm getting bansheed right now.
That water doesn't look like it's clean enough for swimming in.
You can use bridges.
No, swimming is not entirely safe, though it happens.
That's what I was afraid of.
18:25
The greatest danger is cuts from bike wrecks.
Do you know how to swim?
I have heard it described, yes.
What do you mean?
2 days ago, by ΜετάEd
Do Balrogs have wings, or not?
Oh, God, look what I have done.
Everyone can swim here.
18:26
Can't all Americans swim?
I suppose when you live under the sea's rim, it is best to know how to dog-paddle.
I'm told that city-dwellers often do not know how to swim.
Speaking of swimming...
@ΜετάEd This hellish Empire you have wrought will consume the world in flame!
Odd.
18:27
This isn't the gay-porn-or-olympic contest, is it?
I refuse to look at things related to those damned games. Later!
But gay porn is OK, right?
ET ONQON SOIS.
Pictured from top to bottom: English for "Capital of the United Kingdom", Russian for "extremely vulgar word for 'condom'".
@tchrist so it kind of is.
@Cerberus not without a noseplug.
18:28
@RegDwightАΑA Hilarious. You and your multilingualism. God love ya.
@KitFox Ever the Devil speaks with forkèd tongue.
@KitFox well I got it from Idioteka. Can't take credit.
tries to think of extremely vulgar English word for condom; can only think of hilarious ones
French purse.
Raincoat.
Scumbag.
18:29
Yes, Scumbag 2012.
@tchrist Et is not like that.
@RegDwightАΑA Ah, then I approve.
@KitFox That's not ... really the origin of that term, is it?
@KitFox Why not?
HaL
HaL
Hey all. I'm trying to find a specific scene from Shakespeare where a character (I think it's Hamlet) recognizes the silhouette of someone from a distance based how they walk.
Any ideas?
@cornbreadninja Oh...ass hat makes so much more sense to me now.
18:30
@Cerberus Sure it is: ⁊.
@Cerberus What?
@tchrist And have you looked at the picture?
HaL
HaL
based on* how they walk
@KitFox AS_SHAT is preprocessed manure.
I can't remember seeing it written mirrored like that, with the horizontal line to the right.
18:31
@HaL Any idea what he might have said about it?
@Cerberus Left and right are not my strong suit.
Clubs are.
I see.
Clubs?
Then you are out of lucks.
Clubs.
Clubs = fewer points.
You prefer diamonds?
18:32
No.
Diamonds are low points too.
HaL
HaL
@KitFox I'm definitely paraphrasing into modern English, so google is no help, but it was something like "Lo, here comes so-and-so" "Really? How can you tell?" "I can see him cometh by his gait"
@Cerberus The Queen of Clubs reigns unchallenged and unassailable.
HaL
HaL
@KitFox Nice!
Or this.
Twelfth Night looks likely.
18:33
You need a major suit, spades or hearts.
@tchrist What? I do not recognise this lady. From which game is she?
CASCA: Stand close awhile, for here comes one in haste.

CASSIUS: 'Tis Cinna; I do know him by his gait;
He is a friend.
Julius Caesar. Is that it maybe?
The Queen of Spades is from Hearts. But she is bad news.
I could tell you, but it is a bit skatty.
Sheepshead or Sheephead is a trick-taking card game related to the Skat family of games. It is the Americanized version of a card game that originated in Central Europe in the late 18th century under the German name Schafkopf. Although Schafkopf literally means "sheepshead", it has nothing to do with sheep. The term probably was derived and translated incorrectly from Middle High German and referred to playing cards on a barrel head (from kopf, meaning head, and Schaff, meaning a barrel). In the United States, sheepshead is most commonly played in Wisconsin, which has a large German-Am...
Never played that.
Now I must go.
It is great fun.
18:36
Bye!
The Queen of Spades is the Bitch in cribbage.
HaL
HaL
It's from Julius Caesar
I was way off.
Haha. That's what I wrote, up there.
HaL
HaL
Looks like he uses the "I know him by his walk" device a lot though
Did you? Damn
18:36
Well, I had a head start.
HaL
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Thanks for the resource, though.
You are most welcome.
What part of "bad" does Barrie fail to understand means "good"?
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A: Is "baddest" a proper word?

Barrie EnglandThe OED shows baddeste and baddyst as Middle English forms and baddest as being in use from the sixteenth century onwards. It notes, however, that baddest is now non-standard and regional. For that reason it should be avoided in formal Standard English. Not all contexts, however, require formal S...

This shows the limitations of the OED's ability to answer all questions about modern English.
HaL
HaL
I'm too lazy to write "code mixing" on
This is related to @Cerberus and @aediaλ and @Kit's interests:
18:46
WTF??
That makes no sense.
It probably does to @edguiness
Unless the Garbage Truck Simulator is awesome.
May I introduce you to the words supply and demand?
Nah, I hate those guys.
We had a feud a few years back. I'm still holding a grudge.
At this point everyone has at least one Morrowind. Except @edguiness.
Garbage Truck Simulator, OTOH...
18:48
Where is that crawling pudding guy anyway? Haven't seen him in ages.
Crawling pudding?
Doesn't look like crawling pudding to me.
It was my first blog entry evah.
OIC
Well whatever crawls your pudding.
18:50
Nov 30 '11 at 13:16, by Ed Guiness
The crime scene had clearly been disturbed. There were strange, spindly tracks leading from the table to the door, though we knew the door had not been opened. My partner had a theory that we had all dismissed at the time, about a pudding that crawled out of the carnage. Through the cat flap he said, and we had to admit it made a strange kind of sense.
There was a question about it. It was a running joke for a while.
Ed was foremost among the jokers.
Nov 29 '11 at 14:54, by Ed Guiness
Earlier that day we'd been forced to listen for hours to the jam roly-poly pleading for pride of place, but when the chocolate torte, all glistening and magnificent, began to flatter the young pastry chef it was all over. The young chef chose the torte and put the roly-poly on ice. Man, I've never seen a pudding crawl like that torte.
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Q: Why does one "laugh to see a pudding crawl"?

Brian HooperYou'd laugh to see a pudding crawl is a catch-phrase aimed at someone who is easily amused or is suffering a fit of uncontrollable hilarity. Does anyone know how this phrase came into being? I'm not even sure what is meant by a pudding crawl; I presume it means the act of the last part of your m...

I'm surprised you've forgotten.
Your memory is better than mine.
I never saw that question.
Even Cerberus wouldn't forget that.
@KitFox Blancmange...that's the image I get of a pudding crawling. mangy blanc mange.Yuck.
@Robusto exactly. the OED is great because of all the scholarship put in to it. but it's sometimes misleading, sometimes wrong.
@Mitch Sometimes it's simply the wrong tool for the job.
@Robusto The root of the problem is that the OED fails to consistently apply the postmodernist Ebonics provenance label to its glosses, found in all the best dickshunerries.
@tchrist You bad.
18:59
No, but I shall shower presently.
The problem really is that what a word meant in the 15th century often has nothing to do with how it's being used today.
Leroy was here.
Well the South side of Chicago
Is the baddest part of town
And if you go down there
You better just beware
Of a man named Leroy Brown.
@Robusto that's postmoodernism for you. silly cows.
I can't believe you missed it, Rob. Time to turn in your soufside card.
I'll just sic my junkyard dog on you.
19:03
@tchrist OED doesn't mark as vulgar/archaic/obsolete/slang/new/etc?
yawns
@Mitch "New"? No.
The others, yes.
And you forgot "coarse slang".
I can provide those.
or is that implicit in their yearly updates of 'recent additions'?
Quarterly.
uh...implicit answer?
They currently attest all these: clusterfuck, dry fuck, fist-fucker, flying fuck, fuck, fuckability, fuckable, fuck buddy, fucked, fucked-off, fucked-
out, fucked-up, fuckee, fucker, fuckface, fuckfest, fuckhead, fuckhole, fucking, fuckload, fuck-me, fuck-off, fuck-pig,
fuck-up, fuckwad, fuckwitted, fuck you, fuck-you money, go take a flying fuck, mercy fuck, mind-fuck, mindfucker,
motherfuck, mother-fucker, muthafucka, not to give a flying fuck, pigfucker, pigfucking, rat fuck, rat-fucker, sport-
However, mishit is not marked "coarse slang".
19:05
I'm still the baddest dude on this board, so fear me.
For to do so would be self-descriptive.
How about ass-ton, ass-load, shit-ton, fuck-load, fuck-ton, etc.?
@Robusto you haven't used 'mishit' yet, so there's always progress to be made.
I have to admit, I’d never heard of sportfucking before.
But I skipped the Olympics.
But they do have pigfucker, you will note.
Well that's a fine welcome back to the room! :d
19:08
You would think that a Dictionary that has muthafucka would have baddest.
Perhaps Barrie did a quick glance at the OED2 instead of the current OED3.
@tchrist he got a custom Continental / he got a Eldorado, too / he got a .32 gun in his pocket for fun / he got a razor in his shoe
a Heldorado.
obviously
an Eldorado, but yes.
@tchrist tell it to Croce.
contra jinx?
@cornbreadninja none of which sound comfortable to me.
19:10
@Mitch Iran Contra Jinx.
Now Leroy he a gambler / And he like his fancy clothes / And he like to wear his diamond rings / On everybodys nose / He got a custom Continental / He got an Eldorado too / He got a 32 gun in his pocket for fun / He got a razor in his shoe
@tchrist wave, under. Pretty sure. Perhaps not.
Maybe yep.
Well the two men took to fightin' / And when they pulled them from the floor / Leroy looked like a jigsaw puzzle / With a couple of pieces gone
I'd like to see Leroy fight Slim.
19:12
You don't give up on a song just because it goes on too long and was never any good in the first place, do you?
@Robusto Don MacLean didn't. rimshot
@cornbreadninja And he went the way of Buddy Holly.
No Weezer in ELU chat.
Yay! Another Announcer badge. I'm on a roll.
Thank you.
so @Mitch, what do you listen to?
19:14
@RegDwightАΑA Could you speak into the microphone, please? We couldn't hear you.
@Robusto Bye, bye, Miss American PIE.
@RegDwightАΑA Hail Kaiser!
@Robusto три два три два тест тест тест
In America, PIE means Pacific International Express.
@cornbreadninja sounds...you know...stuff.
ᴡʜʏ ɪꜱ ʀᴜꜱꜱɪᴀɴ ᴀʟᴡᴀʏꜱ ɪɴ ꜱᴍᴀʟʟ ᴄᴀᴘꜱ?
19:15
@Mitch So... Lou Reed's Metal Machine Music?
@Mitch the Sounds of Silence? Pet Sounds?
the other voices in my head (well only some of them; some are just crazy)
@tchrist this is peculiar.
The Sound of Music?
pet sounds?
19:16
So many boxen everywhere.
woof?
@Mitch Beach Boys.
@Mitch Beach Boys album. Very innovative for its time.
Jinx.
I listen to pandora
Pet Sounds is the eleventh studio album by the American rock band The Beach Boys, released May 16, 1966, on Capitol Records. It has since been recognized as one of the most influential records in the history of popular music and one of the best albums of the 1960s, including songs such as "Wouldn't It Be Nice" and "God Only Knows". Pet Sounds was created several months after Brian Wilson had quit touring with the band in order to focus his attention on writing and recording. In it, he wove elaborate layers of vocal harmonies, coupled with sound effects and unconventional instruments such...
19:16
I only open her boxen.
@Mitch what'd you base it on?
I know the answer.
I love the drums that come in really late in God Only Knows.
Also, interesting fact, the Beatles listened to Pet Sounds before they released Sgt. Pepper and thought they wouldn't be able to match its popularity.
On April 4th, 2008, Unicode released its v5.1 update, which included U+A731 ‹ꜱ› \N{LATIN LETTER SMALL CAPITAL S}.
19:18
@cornbreadninja does that mean the Beach Boys were pétomanes?
@cornbreadninja i remember as a child istening to a 'best of' of beach boys. I'm guessing that doesn't count as knowing anything.
@Mitch Sure it does.
So you are only 4 years and 4 months behind.
@RegDwightАΑA Is that anything like a petophile?
@cornbreadninja Multitudes are marching to the big kettle drum.
19:18
as usual a bunch of sounds in my head (that sounds like Ravel's famous last words) looks over shoulder
Le Pétomane (, ) was the stage name of the French flatulist (professional farter) and entertainer Joseph Pujol (June 1, 1857–1945). He was famous for his remarkable control of the abdominal muscles, which enabled him to seem to fart at will. His stage name combines the French verb péter, "to fart" with the -mane, "-maniac" suffix, which translates to "fartomaniac". The profession is also referred to as "flatulist", "farteur", or "fartiste". It is a common misconception that Joseph Pujol actually passed intestinal gas as part of his stage performance. Rather, Pujol was able to "inhale" or...
looks up to see if piano falling
I knew that was coming.
misses open manhole
@cornbreadninja Isn't that like 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 philes?
19:19
Oh ye gods he said manhole!
@Robusto ha! Yottaphiles.
@Mitch watch out for that tree!
branches clawing face as he looks up
thanks.
@cornbreadninja You have a deviated septillionum.
11 records by 1966? I thought guitars were invented in like '63.
@Robusto corrected with surgery. now she can count easily.
@Mitch One! ah-ha Two! ah-ha
19:23
@Reg, the problem is that you are using lame software that doesn't have a reasonable font-substitution policy. If the codepoint has no glyph in the current font, it should go off and find one on your system where it is defined. You are using a pre-Unicode-v5.1 font as your primary font for this chat, and your browser/OS/ouija-board is being a pusillanimous surrender-monkey.
@tchrist fisticuffs are in order.
Fisticufflinks.
@cornbreadninja but if she closes one nostril, you can hear infinity
(writes down more song lyrics)
@Mitch nice! Contact ASCAP.
@cornbreadninja I just despise hate pusillanimous surrender-monkeys. Where’s the sport in that?
@cornbreadninja Are did you think I said pugilistic? :)
@tchrist you could hate-fuck them for sport.
@tchrist yes sniff
19:25
@tchrist that's not the point, though. Why would a font, any font, have all the small capitals except one?
@Reg Ohhh that is so cool, Garbage-Truck Simulator on sale at last!
@RegDwightАΑA It probably does have them all, but in a Private Use Area. Unicode didn't define small-s in the small-caps till v5.1. Fonts with a proper smcap feature may have a completely different set of sorts for those. I mean the stuff you can get with CSS.
Let's hope the queues won't be too long.
In other words, if you asked for the font's small caps instead of the Unicode code points for those, you probably would have gotten them.
@Mitch Les Paul came up with the precursor to the first modern electric guitar in 1940.
Lester William Polsfuss (June 9, 1915 – August 13, 2009)—known as Les Paul—was an American jazz, country and blues guitarist, songwriter and inventor. He was the inventor of the solid-body electric guitar which made the sound of rock and roll possible. He is credited with many recording innovations. Although he was not the first to use the technique, his early experiments with overdubbing (also known as sound on sound), delay effects such as tape delay, phasing effects and multitrack recording were among the first to attract widespread attention. His innovative talents extended into his ...
19:27
@cornbreadninja I’ve definitely known some fuck-monkeys in my life.
@tchrist Oh this is all so fcked up. Let's call the whole thing off.
@Cerberus inorite.
@RegDwightАΑA potato, potahto / tomato, tomahto
Let's call the whole thing Gershwin.
Thank you for explaining my references to myself.
@RegDwightАΑA 不客气.
19:29
@cornbreadninja sure you can!
oops that was my XVH voice! can't shake it!
@tchrist I'm still grasping for the words.
@cornbreadninja You seem to be speaking an intrusive-r dialect.
@tchrist gasp
@cornbreadninja It is possible they were in fact only ibid-bunnies. But they worked for peanuts, so who's to say?
Why do you say that?
The intrusive r is cool, by the way.
Australia-r-and New Zealand.
19:33
@tchrist Hef's castoffs?
@cornbreadninja The link connecting fuck-buddies and fuck-bunnies to fuck-monkeys and monkey-boys is no less tenuous than a velvet cordon, nor less plush.
@tchrist Stanchion.
Hi @Andrew. Are the edits I made OK?
@KitFox I was going to drop in to say "Thank you". Then I read the chat transcript. I'll still say "Thank you", but also say that if you want to make that question somehow "better" then make it CW and edit it enough that my name no longer appears as the author.
19:40
I felt it was fine as is.
@AndrewStacey I didn’t feel comfortable editing it if you didn’t want me to.
@tchrist I don't mind editing to make things clearer. What I objected most to was the sentence with "I". (I wasn't too keen on the subscript-instead-of-parentheses - as a mathematician that just looked ... about as offensive as all these parentheses look to you.)
I thought that might be the case. I understand that.
Did I small-font it to make it less obstrusive? I don't think of those as subscripts.
When you do a <sup><sub>...</sub></sup>, it just makes it look smaller, less in-your-face.
At least, that was my intent.
We've been doing a lot of editing lately, site cleanup and whatnot, and I think we are all getting a little....what's that word for when you look at something too long and it fills your entire focus?
19:44
I'm lost for words at <sub><sup>(which, admittedly, was a while ago)</sup></sub>
Overzealous...maybe. That could fit.
I was a bit surprised that I got a notification about that question as I'd all but forgotten about it.
It's quite an old one.
Punchdrunk might be more accurate.
I once had an article draft come back from my UK copyeditor completely bled-upon because I kept using parenthetical asides, and I have never forgotten how singed I was.
@AndrewStacey Yes, but it is somewhat popular and pretty highly voted by now.
For our site.
19:46
@KitFox That also surprises me.
That's why it was targeted for prettification, I imagine.
It's rather canonical.
@KitFox Why? I certainly wouldn't ask it now. It's not a great question.
user19161
Hi @andrew! Which question are you talking about?
@AndrewStacey Apparently a lot of people get confused by possessive apostrophes. I'm actually using your question as one example in an upcoming blog post about them.
Anyway, as I no longer haunt these hallowed aisles, and if it is one of those questions (we get a few like that on TeX-SX, incidentally I wouldn't consider myself a user from Maths-SX) then do clean it up. If you'd left a comment after the first edit to say it was part of a clean-up drive then I'd probably have left it alone (after editing out the abuse of XHTML and the stray asterisk - yes, it wasn't perfect).
19:50
It's almost as popular a question as "a" v. "an."
@AndrewStacey Certainly, of course. Like I said, I think we've all gotten a little...uh. punchdrunk? with the editing lately.
@tchrist I certainly (well, unless absolutely necessary) wouldn't use parentheses (or anything with similar effect) in a published (or equivalent) article. SE doesn't quite meet that standard, though (despite what the SE team say about this being like a "university")
spittake University? Really?
Ahahahaha.
user19161
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Q: When did it become correct to add an 's' to a singular possessive already ending in 's'?

Andrew StaceyAccording to my grammar book, but at variance to the answer to this question, the correct singular possessive if a word ends in 's' is: James's car The grammar book allows exceptions for historical nouns, so the examples in the answer to the above-linked question would pass muster. However...

Yes. Joel says it somewhere.
user19161
Oh I see which question now.
19:53
Wow! I done broked my codez real gud just now.
user19161
Wow, that question has so many edits!
Half of them are rollbacks.
@AndrewStacey And if you have any other issues, please feel free to ping us.
@AndrewStacey There is a great confusion about when to use an apostrophe-s, throughout Anglophonia. Surely you are familiar with the greengrocer’s-apostrophe hullabaloo?
@tchrist Yes, I've read Eats, Shoots, and Leaves.
What no one has answered is your actual question.
Which is the when thing.
My perception is that there was a period of several decades in the 20th century when they told people that knowing what to do was too hard, and just to omit the s following any apostrophe.
My own publisher suggests avoiding such forms if you wish to avoid controversy.
user19161
19:57
@AndrewStacey I don't particularly like that one. If you like punctuation, I recommend Jane Straus Blue Book of Grammar and Punctuation for AmE or Larry Trask Guide to Punctuation for BrE.
@tchrist True. But then as I hinted above, I'm not sure it is really answerable. At least not definitively. That's why I wouldn't ask it now. Even if I could write it properly.
I ignore them and do it anyway, and excoriate the copyeditor who hypercorrects my "the class’s superclass" to reading "the class' superclass". Very annoying, that. She didn't get the memo. :)
I gave an answer yesterday that I think is a reasonable one, but you must respect that local conventions, especially with the many parks variously called St James’ and St James’s, should be followed.
This is the rule I was taught, and teach:
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Q: Which singular names ending in “s” form possessives with only a bare apostrophe?

Jake223Many questions already ask about this topic (What is the correct possessive for nouns ending in s? , Adding apostrophe-s to a singular noun already ending in “s”, etc.) and their answers vary, but they always give exceptions to the apostrophe-s rule, for example: 6.24 The general rule for t...

Because this "historical nouns" thing confuses people, without explaining why.

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