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RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
12:20 AM
> Last edited 1 month ago by Maxipups Mamsipupsovich
Uh-huh.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Lovely name.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
12:54 AM
@Cerberus oh hey.
I only just remembered: You are a horrible liar!!!
You do watch videos.
You watched the entire Sita sings the blues.
And that's, like, eighty minutes.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@RegDwigнt A mistake!
Speaking of which, I'll have Youtube play some Hanshaw for me.
 
tchrist
tchrist
1:52 AM
@Robusto I'm not shot. Nor was my family. But we don't have a list of the dead yet and I know a lot of folks from that neighborhood.
 
KannE
KannE
2:05 AM
This site is so white. How white is it? They can't understand what Billy Preston is singing...in 1973! They think he's street. That's an accepted answer. Omg... Get offended; IDGAF. I'm more "street" than a "Fifth Beatle"... 'Thanks for the slay, boo.' That probably means my girlfriend did my hair. Billy Preston didn't say anything like that. He did say "let" perfectly clear, to any 5-y/o here, and "I'm-a gonna..." That's it! He's a thug! LHM...
 
CowperKettle
CowperKettle
 
Robusto
Robusto
@tchrist Shot? What? More mayhem?
I'm glad to hear you're all right. But damn, this shit is getting out of control.
Hardly a day goes by when we don't have a mass shooting here. I'm thoroughly sick and tired of it.
 
KannE
KannE
2:23 AM
@tchrist I'm so sorry to hear that. I hope all your people are alright. My apologies for ranting right after your message; I didn't see it.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@tchrist Welcome back!
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I hope your family will turn out to be well.
 
tchrist
tchrist
2:51 AM
Ten dead.
No one injured. He killed every person he shot. Five days ago a judge blocked Boulder's ban on assault rifles. So of course that's what he used, but he's been a fugitive for years apparently. He has to have come here to this particular place to make the most impact.
 
CowperKettle
CowperKettle
Many of my friends say "we need to institute free sale of guns in Russia. Every sane person should be allowed to have a gun".
I don't think so.
I'm not sure that it's the free sale of guns that protects a country from becoming a dictatorship or an authoritarian state. Were I sure, I would support it, because increased deaths from crazy shootings would still be justified if the country would retain free elections.
> A gunman opened fire inside a King Soopers grocery store in Boulder on Monday afternoon, killing 10 people, including a police officer, and sending shoppers fleeing for their lives. One suspect, a man, is in custody.
 
tchrist
tchrist
@CowperKettle And walked away alive.
I'm still waiting for the victim list. I know a lot of people there.
 
CowperKettle
CowperKettle
@tchrist Yes, amazing. I thought he would be killed by all the police
 
tchrist
tchrist
@CowperKettle Too white.
 
CowperKettle
CowperKettle
I'm very sorry to hear that!
 
tchrist
tchrist
3:03 AM
When I say "there" I mean people who live within two or three blocks of there.
My local family does, but they were safely elsewhere tonight.
 
CowperKettle
CowperKettle
A terrible accident.
 
tchrist
tchrist
Atrocity. We're stuck in this. Daily here.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
3:42 AM
@tchrist Oh, dear, how terrible.
Must be a shock, to have something like that happen nearby.
 
Robusto
Robusto
@tchrist That is obscene.
So much for "a well-regulated Militia," yeah?
@Cerberus It's a shock that it happens anywhere. The litany of death just keeps rattling on. I don't even have the words to describe my feelings. And when I'm out of words, you know it's the bitter end.
@tchrist I want someone to tell me where in the Second Amendment it says any idiot has a right to have an assault rifle.
When the Founders ratified the Constitution, a rifle was something that took half a minute to load and fire a single shot. They never dreamed one malignant idiot could shoot ten people in less than ten seconds, or that one idiot in a hotel room in Las Vegas could kill 59 people and wound nearly 500 more in the space of a few minutes.
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Or that another malignant nut-job would and could murder an entire first-grade class in Connecticut.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
3:59 AM
@Robusto Yes.
But the emotional impact is probably higher when it happens nearby.
 
Robusto
Robusto
> Never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for Thee.
 
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
@tchrist I'm glad to see you here... saw the news and thought of you.
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Cerberus
Cerberus
4:24 AM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Hello there!
 
user 85795
user 85795
4:35 AM
Welcome back!!! @Mr.ShinyandNew安宇
& @tchrist
:-)
 
Robusto
Robusto
4:51 AM
@tchrist: Anyway, Tom, I'm glad you're safe. And I'm sorry this tragedy had to happen so close to you.
Thanks for keeping us posted.
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
5:03 AM
> Scientists have discovered a fossilized dinosaur fart. They're calling it a blast from the past.
Tchrist is back? Yay
Oh
@tchrist sorry to hear that :(
 
user 85795
user 85795
Sublime
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
5:54 AM
@CowperKettle Yeah that's just brainwashed masses helping the business
@Mitch basic math
 
CowperKettle
CowperKettle
6:12 AM
deGrasse Tyson of the day: but the extra data leave you extra baffled
 
 
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CowperKettle
CowperKettle
9:08 AM
9
Q: Is there a Jewish way of war?

Bochur613Christian scholars have been writing about war for centuries. The "just war theory" is perhaps the greatest contribution that Christians have made to the moral study of war. This got me wondering. Is there a Jewish way of war? War has obviously taken place within the Jewish tradition. Is there a ...

halacha army-military-war
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
9:29 AM
@CowperKettle That water thing was pretty common huh
 
CowperKettle
CowperKettle
10:04 AM
Summits farthest from the Earth's center
Although Mount Everest is the point with the highest elevation above sea level on the Earth, it is not the summit that is farthest from the Earth's centre. Because of the equatorial bulge, the summit of Mount Chimborazo in the Andes is the point on the Earth that is farthest from the centre, and is 2,168 m (7,113 ft) farther from the Earth's centre than the summit of Everest. The second-farthest summit, Huascarán (also in the Andes), is only about 10 metres closer to the Earth's centre. == References ==
People should be ascending Chimborazo instead of Everest
 
Conrado
Conrado
10:29 AM
@M.A.R. It seems to be connected with the idea of excess cruelty, limiting collateral damage and so on. War is horribly un-just in any broader view; it is dedicated to destruction and defacing of humanity rather than its advantage. If war ever starts, it should be ended as soon as possible-not drawn out over multiple harvest seasons, right?
 
 
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CowperKettle
CowperKettle
11:44 AM
Spring is in the air
There are long patches of asphalt free of snow
 
Mitch
Mitch
@CowperKettle People should be ascending Chimborazo instead of Everest by starting from the center of the Earth.
 
CowperKettle
CowperKettle
12:18 PM
@Mitch How is that possible?
> The current operating depth at the Mponeng mine ranges from 3.16km to 3.84km, while the future mining is expected to further deepen the shaft bottom to 4.22km below the surface.
Thus, the deepest a man can go underground is a mere 4.22 km
Veryovkina Cave
Veryovkina Cave (also spelled Verëvkina Cave, Abkhazian: Вериовкин иҳаҧы, Russian: Пеще́ра Верёвкина, Georgian: ვერიოვკინის მღვიმე) is 2,212 meters (7,257 ft) deep, the deepest-known cave on Earth. Its entrance is situated 2,285 meters (7,497 ft) above sea level in Abkhazia, Georgia. The entrance of the cave has a cross section of 3 m × 4 m (9.8 ft × 13.1 ft), and is located in the Arabika Massif, Gagra Mountain Range of the West Caucasus, on the pass between the Krepost and Zont mountains, closer to the slopes of Mt. Krepost. The depth of the entrance shaft is 32 meters (105 ft). == Naming... ==
 
Mitch
Mitch
12:42 PM
@CowperKettle Look man you're saying we should measure the highest mountain from the center of the earth rather than sea level, so that sets the rules right there. If you gotta dig a deeper hole and climb a ladder, then that's just following your rules.
 
CowperKettle
CowperKettle
1:06 PM
@Mitch I did not set any rules
 
 
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Robusto
Robusto
2:20 PM
@CowperKettle This is just Mitch being Mitch. He's joking with you.
 
 
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Conrado
Conrado
3:42 PM
The more you care about your own provincial country, and the less for humanity as a whole, the more war makes sense.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
4:04 PM
@Conrado I don't know about that.
I don't care about Burkina Faso one bit. How does it make sense for me to start a war against Burkina Faso, then.
I'd rather wage war against someone I care about a lot because they have all that oil and gold and whatnot. That's far more sensible to me!
Norway, beware.
 
Curio
Curio
5:01 PM
Hi all
We tried to open the window, but it was so hot outside it didn't help.
The answer is "tried opening" but I'm confused
Here I'm doing an attempt and it didn't go well
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
> I tried to do x, but... = I was unable to do x.
I tried doing x, but... = I did x, but it didn't have the desired effect.
@Curio
 
Curio
Curio
Ahhhhh THANKS!
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
I would say this difference is specific to the verb try.
 
 
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Robusto
Robusto
6:18 PM
@RegDwigнt That's hurtful. Burkina Faso cares about you a whole lot.
 
Robusto
Robusto
6:37 PM
@Cerberus I think either is used interchangeably, without your admittedly useful nuance.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@CowperKettle You set the stage by saying 'you should'.
That will stand in all courts, up to and including the highest court in the world, which is of course, the United Federation of Planets ecumenical council.
 
Robusto
Robusto
4 hours ago, by Robusto
@CowperKettle This is just Mitch being Mitch. He's joking with you.
 
Mitch
Mitch
I mean I didn't talk to them directly, but it surely should be in the UFP constitution.
 
Robusto
Robusto
I should add that Mitch doesn't give up on one of his homespun comedy routines just because people get confused by it.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Robusto If I were being someone else, it'd be a different story.
because
it'd be
different?
 
Robusto
Robusto
6:41 PM
@Mitch If I were you, I wouldn't say that.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Robusto Homespun? That sounds like some bedraggled confederate veteran limping back home on his remaining bloody stump of a leg.
Hopalong Cassidy they call me.
haha because it's both gross and a pun at the same time.
 
Robusto
Robusto
@Mitch I just mean you obviously didn't buy it at Whole Foods.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Robusto To be totally truthful...also frank, sincere and candid, oh what the hell I'll go all the way and be honest...
yes
I agree
You'd probably say something different.
@Robusto That place.
soooooo expensive
it's like all generic products but you pay more for not having a brand name.
they used to have a really good lunch time buffet/salad bar.
 
Robusto
Robusto
 
Mitch
Mitch
But a bunch of bats ruined that for everyone.
To be open about it, I'm pretty happy that everyone around me is getting their vaccine, but...
I am a teensy bit jealous.
 
Robusto
Robusto
6:46 PM
It's a milestone, like getting your driver's license.
 
Mitch
Mitch
Like there's cake at a a birthday party, a huge sheet cake, and all the slices are being passed around and I'm helping pass things around, and some people are even stuffing their faces with cake. And everyone is so happy.
but
Ya know... it'd be nice to have some cake.
I'll get some eventually so I'm cool with it.
but
cake would be nice.
The one inaccuracy in this extended, drawn out, stretched thin metaphor is...
 
Robusto
Robusto
@Mitch The cake is a lie.
 
Mitch
Mitch
I'm not passing around cake.
@Robusto zing!
@Robusto Yeah, kinda, like will you pass the drivers test, of course you will.
@Robusto They're closing down Fenway for mass vaccinations... I forget why. Baseball season? that would seem churlish of them.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
 
Robusto
Robusto
@Mitch Well, I wouldn't want to get vaccinated in Fenway anyway. You're likely to catch a fatal disease just by visiting the restrooms there.
 
Mitch
Mitch
6:52 PM
@Robusto If you hadn't said anything I could have drawn that until Coppersmith and I were at the IOC stating our cases for and against inclusion of magma surfing at next years Olympics
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Robusto I think it's probably not a 100% hard and fast rule, but the difference is usually pretty clear, between try to and try going.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Robusto So many memories, many questionable ones.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
(See arbitrary examples above.)
 
Robusto
Robusto
@Cerberus Not to mention try and ...
 
user 85795
user 85795
With both @Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 and @tchrist back; it's going to be a lot like the good old days
 
Robusto
Robusto
6:53 PM
But yeah, all I'm saying is people aren't that nuanced in their use of the two constructions.
Whereas they should be, am I right?
@user85795 Well, they popped in last night. That's not exactly like being back, is it?
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Well, this distinction seems to be applied fairly consistently by people.
 
Robusto
Robusto
49
Q: Why do we say "try and" [verb] instead of "try to" [verb]? (E.g., "Try and call me tomorrow.")

RobustoIn written and standard semi-formal (and above) spoken English, one would use "try to": Try to be a better person. Try to get the fishhook out of my thumb, please. Try to find a pharmacy when you need one. But in spoken English, we (Americans, at least) usually substitute "try and" for all thos...

etymology colloquialisms
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Robusto I think I really like the movie 'The Town' where Ben Affleck is a bank robber living in Boston, and the final shootout is under the right field stands, because I feel like I myself have suffered there too, waiting an hour for french fries and a gift ice cream cup in the shape of a batting hat
 
user 85795
user 85795
@Robusto better than nothing :-)
 
Mitch
Mitch
"Try to take a piss at one of Fenway's urinal troughs"
"Try going to take a piss at one of Fenway's urinal troughs"
nope, don't see it
 
Robusto
Robusto
6:57 PM
@Mitch How about standing in those same right-field stands on opening day (or nearly) with a cold beer in your hands and no gloves and cursing clouds of vapor under your breath every time the home-team pitcher allows another hit, something you only hear about because you can't exactly see it from that angle.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@user85795 It'd be nice to know what you're back from, given that I don't recognize your user name.
 
Robusto
Robusto
@Mitch Raiders fan ... does that give you a hint?
 
user 85795
user 85795
^
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Robusto That sounds more like little league starting in late March, after the first false spring ends.
 
Robusto
Robusto
@Mitch No, it's Fenway in April. I'm surprised you don't recognize that.
 
Mitch
Mitch
6:59 PM
@Robusto I can't keep straight all these sports ball fans. It's not snailboat or
or that other person whose name is like snailboats
 
Robusto
Robusto
whose last name ends in 'patrol'?
 
user 85795
user 85795
^^
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Robusto The only tickets I ever got were institutional ones who had their seats more midsummer
@Robusto skunkpatrol
skankattack?
 
Robusto
Robusto
@Mitch That's a bingo.
 
Mitch
Mitch
skinnerbox?
 
user 85795
user 85795
7:00 PM
lol
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Robusto I heard that in a slightly German accent
 
Robusto
Robusto
As it was intended.
 
Mitch
Mitch
I feel like every other day I hear somebody say without irony "Say what you will about the Nazis..."
It might very well be me.
We all have multiple voices in our heads. As long as they are all you, you're fine
...I keep telling myself.
 
Robusto
Robusto
I feel like you've just had your afternoon coffee.
 
Mitch
Mitch
I can hear right outside all these birds, like they were migrating and happened to all show up here at once, acting like the weather is great and all.
Stupid birds
It'll turn
maybe not tomorrow
@Robusto Oh.
Thanks for the reminder.
BBIAS
 
Robusto
Robusto
7:05 PM
You mean it gets worse? lol
 
user 85795
user 85795
in The h Bar, 8 hours ago, by fqq
"There are in this world optimists who feel that any symbol that starts
off with an integral sign must necessarily denote something that will
have every property that they would like an integral to possess. This
of course is quite annoying to us rigorous mathematicians; what is
even more annoying is that by doing so they often come up with the
right answer."
https://projecteuclid.org/euclid.bams/1183525452
 
Mitch
Mitch
haha jokes on you, I don't like coffee
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mitch This is something else entirely.
 
Mitch
Mitch
or rather, I like coffee, but only with a lot of milk and sugar
and then take away most of the coffee
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
> Try to take
Try going to take
 
Mitch
Mitch
7:06 PM
@Cerberus Well yeah that's awful
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
This is a very different comparison.
It is what you wrote.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus Na und?
 
Robusto
Robusto
> It’s ridiculously easy to get a gun here, even as a convicted domestic abuser, or someone under a restraining order for intimate partner violence. Getting a firearm is much easier than getting healthcare in the land of Lady Liberty.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@user85795 Oh mathematicians.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mitch I should like to ask instead, why did you post that?
 
Mitch
Mitch
7:07 PM
@Robusto easier to get a vaccine for covid here too
runs away
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
It is different from the distinction I explained to Curio.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus OK, now you're making me have to go back through the transcript to see if I can logically justify anything I say.
 
Robusto
Robusto
An impossibility. Why even try?
 
Mitch
Mitch
So instead of doing that...
I'm going to state the obvious...
which is...
what were we talking about?
something something Burkina Faso somethety something gold ingots just lying on the ground something something
or is it laying.
I have -no- idea.
 
Færd
Færd
Was just checking the names of the victims of the shooting in Boulder. sigh of sorrow and relief
 
Robusto
Robusto
7:11 PM
17 hours ago, by tchrist
@Robusto I'm not shot. Nor was my family. But we don't have a list of the dead yet and I know a lot of folks from that neighborhood.
 
Mitch
Mitch
With covid restrictions loosening, all those things we did before and haven't done for a year are going to become a lot more common again.
 
Færd
Færd
@Robusto Must be terrifying for everyone involved.
 
Robusto
Robusto
Yes. Absolutely.
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
8:04 PM
@Conrado yeah. Nonetheless I was wondering how often it really was that every major religion has specific instructions against doing it.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mitch MUWAHAHA
 
 
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Mitch
Mitch
9:43 PM
Maybe I'm getting old but...
17
Q: What is the origin of the phrase "There goes the neighborhood" and does it have racial connotations?

DraiI understood the meaning of the phrase to be relatively benign and mostly used facetiously. Can it be viewed as offensive in contemporary conversation?

etymology slang phrase-origin
none of the answers gives any connection of the phrase 'there goes the neighborhood' in a racist situation. Sven's answer (as usual) lists many contexts, and none of them are racial, all are about people of presumably the same race but with undesirable characteristics. -Of course-, whatever the language, there was (and still is) a lot of uncivilized animus against people of another race or ethnicity moving in.
 
Robusto
Robusto
@Mitch Yeah. People just want them fake internet points. Never mind answering the question. The system is flawed—flawed, I tell you!
 
Mitch
Mitch
But there is no indication of a racial connotation in the -phrase- "there goes the neighborhood". (I mean I expected that there would be some instances but you can't just make the leap without actually seeing examples of its use in racist situations.)
@Robusto Well, yeah. It's also me shaking my fist at a cloud. A cloud that is nine years old.
But it really really annoyed me that everybody was saying: "people were racist back then and this phrase -could- be applied to that therefore the phrase is racist".
That's not logic that's just thinking things because you want to.
and another thing...
kids these days
taking shortcuts
across my lawn
with there bippin and a boppin
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
So close.
 
Mitch
Mitch
starts campaign to push him over
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Perhaps 100k is like Zeno's turtle.
You never reach it, theoretically.
 
Mitch
Mitch
9:53 PM
no. literally. to tip you over so you fall down
That's combined over all SE sites right? Do you know how far from 100k you are? a little less than a thousand? or less than 500?
 
Robusto
Robusto
@Cerberus I reached it. You can too!
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Robusto I doubt it.
 
Mitch
Mitch
if we upvote you too much, won't there be some vacuum that undoes serially upvoting?
 
Robusto
Robusto
Never mind Zeno and his pair o' ducks.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
First, I'll be at 99,950.
 
Mitch
Mitch
9:54 PM
Duck?
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Then at 99,975.
Then 99,987.5.
Etc.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus You realize that zeno did not account for a smallest quantum of space, one which can't divide.
So by the well founded principle, there's actually only a finite number of steps before you stop.
 
Robusto
Robusto
@Cerberus I walk over to you and pat you on the shoulder, just as Diogenes the Cynic would have done.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mitch I don't believe in that.
 
Mitch
Mitch
I'm just sayin
@Cerberus Well, it's your right, no actually it's your duty to doubt scientific, experimentally established phenomena. But in this case your doubts would be brushed aside by experiment.
That's fancy talk for 'you're wrong'
@Robusto Diogenes loved dogs
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
9:59 PM
@Robusto He's probably the wisest philosopher of them all.
@Mitch Hehe.
What would happen if you tried to divide the smallest quantum?
 
Robusto
Robusto
@Mitch That's what cynicism is all about.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus seg fault
You can try but it won't work.
you can use all those words together in.a sentence but that doesn't mean it makes sense.
@Cerberus What is the third paradox? THhere's the arrow not moving, there's Achilles who can't rush past the turtle, and then there's... that third one.
@Robusto When did you realize that the name of the movie "Isle of Dogs" is homophonic with "I love dogs"?
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mitch I...forget.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus It would take the simplest of searches to discover, but that would be cheating.
 
Robusto
Robusto
@Mitch Just this second.
 
Mitch
Mitch
10:05 PM
@Robusto Nice
I had to be told
For some reason it is not obvious
 
Robusto
Robusto
Because you read it instead of hear it.
If you hear it you get that immediately.
Especially if it's rushed.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Robusto Is that a movie about dogs?
Because it's a picture of birds
and I want the world to make sense
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
What is it about dog movies! I want a cat movie
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Robusto
Robusto
It's a movie about a lot of things. But the name means "A Dog's World."
 
Mitch
Mitch
like maybe there's a dog barking at the birds?
you know, for fun
 
Robusto
Robusto
10:09 PM
@M.A.R. What about the Siamese cats in Lady and the Tramp?
 
Mitch
Mitch
@M.A.R. Exactly. People always forget the cats
 
Robusto
Robusto
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@M.A.R. I agree!
Cats are more fun.
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
@Robusto A movie whose poster is of two dogs sharing cornily romantic noodles? Doesn't count
@Mitch And then we call cats the assholes!
 
Robusto
Robusto
@M.A.R. C'mon, you have to love corny noodle sharing.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
10:11 PM
@Mitch It would also take a non-lazy person. A person who didn't like empty chatting better than research.
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
I dunno, never had a significant other to try and see if it's good
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
I don't know such a person.
 
Robusto
Robusto
@M.A.R. Well, you ought to try that sometime.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Ugh.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Robusto which one is peggy lee?
 
Robusto
Robusto
10:13 PM
Da bot' of 'em.
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
Boy/girlfriend relationships here are cultural taboos so you end up with people that are marrying at 35 years of age or something
It's just really awkward, this transition
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
I don't get that.
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
Our generation would not be so picky about our children having romantic friends though
 
Robusto
Robusto
@M.A.R. Well, by 35 the zest has gone out of corny noodle sharing, I'll grant you that.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
If one does not date, how does it follow that one marries late?
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
10:13 PM
@Robusto and a lot of other things
 
Robusto
Robusto
See, you're supposed to be raising young 'uns of your own by that time.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Conversely, I might expect such people to marry young.
Most people I know do not have children yet at 35.
Some do.
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
@Cerberus No idea. People are blaming it on the expensiveness of marriage (TBF there are lots of cumbersome traditions that involve both the bride and the groom to 'invest a lot in the future life')
But I see it as our half-assed westernization
@Robusto I really wanna marry before 30, but it takes two to tango
 
Robusto
Robusto
At least.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@M.A.R. But what does that have to do with dating or not dating before marriage?
 
Mitch
Mitch
10:16 PM
@Cerberus well shows how much you know. I cheated anyway, and the three paradoxes are 1) to get to the end you have to get half way first, and so on, therefore you can't even start, 2) Achilles can't overtake the tortoise (for similar reasons) and 3) -this- is the arrow paradox and it's about the arrow can't be both moving and have a speed ata. given moment (which is a different pradox than the first two.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@M.A.R. Why?
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
So BF/GF relationships sound too rebellious or promiscuous for people I guess.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mitch Wow, you even Googled! Bravo.
 
Mitch
Mitch
But of course if Zeno knew Archimedes, ol biggie A would have told Z-dog that Z is full of horse shit, if you just use math, these are just dumb fairy tales for toddlers.
There. that's my argument.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Possibly!
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
10:17 PM
@Cerberus well, don't hardcore Christians also believe in a sexual relationship being feasible only after marriage?
 
Mitch
Mitch
@M.A.R. Marry a nice Azeri
... girl
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus It's a skill I picked up
@M.A.R. I'm not sure christians would use the word 'feasible'
maybe they would
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@M.A.R. Yes, so they marry early, not late (so they can have sex early, which they want (although, to be quite honest, I suspect even amongst fanatical Christians only a small percentage have no sex before marriage; they just don't tell anyone)).
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
@Cerberus well, so it's not so late. I think it's harder to build a life together the later you have to wait
@Cerberus Well I think it used to be in our culture that marriage was really easy and really not such a Kafkaesque deal.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
10:20 PM
So I still don't know whether and why there is a relation between non sex before marriage in Iran, and late marriage.
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
Oh, well.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@M.A.R. I don't know about that. People's second marriages are probably happier on average than their first, partly because they have matured enough.
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
I think people have this cartoonish image about BF/GF relationships, thinking they involve sex through and through
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Through and through?
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus YOu don't want to know the details of that
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
10:21 PM
@M.A.R. In what sense?
@Mitch Hey, I'm an open-minded person.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus There are lmits
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
@Cerberus In the sense that people thought as lightly of it as westerners (or more accurately people of every other nation?) think of BF/GF relationships. Now people think it requires way more commitment than they can give it, that it's some religious ritual that will transform them into someone else
. . . I dunno, people probably don't think this far.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@M.A.R. you don't think part of it is puritanical mullahs influence? Insistence on ...
what is it the insist on? sure covering, and parties, and other stuff that old men are scared of.
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
@Mitch Well, it used to be that people were religious, and that was originally what gave mullahs their power. So it's certainly part of tradition.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@M.A.R. could easily be government propaganda... hear me out.
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
10:24 PM
Right now, yes, the puritans also make people hate marriage a little more
Marriage is seen as pretty religious here
So when people have a western aversion to religion but are too afraid, sometimes of themselves, to admit it, this is what you get
 
Mitch
Mitch
birth rate in Iran skyrocketed 1980 to 1988 exactly during the war, but dropped precipitously immediately afterwards and has been around 2 per woman since 1990 (if I remember a chart I vaguely saw once so it must be right)
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@M.A.R. Yes, I think you are right (about the Christian idea of holy matrimony).
 
Mitch
Mitch
that's thirty years
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
@Mitch And nobody gives a damn about those. When people do marry, there's lots of celebration and dancing and lots of things that'd make them grimace
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
So divorce was allowed in Iran? How about now?
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
10:26 PM
So people think it's religious but it really isn't.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@M.A.R. a lot of it is embarrassing yes.
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
Though you have to get this guy to announce the marriage, I dunno, what do you call it? The priest that says 'The two may kiss now'?
 
Mitch
Mitch
yeah that guy
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Imam?
 
Mitch
Mitch
whatever he's called
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
10:27 PM
Civil servant?
Olga?
 
Mitch
Mitch
If his name is Olga, then yes
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
@Cerberus It was always allowed, though the attitude towards it has been that "divorce is the one halal thing Allah likes the least".
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Ah, OK.
 
Mitch
Mitch
having a matchmaker may help
or interested parents
but that can have its own level of discomfort
also, I've heard...
that Persian women
are
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
@Mitch Yeah so the only way you could perceive marriage to be religious is because of that guy that recites the . . . things
 
Mitch
Mitch
10:28 PM
high maintenance
@M.A.R. that's mostly the thing in the US, even though, despite the news, most people aren't religious. They may say they, but they aren't.
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
@Cerberus Although until recently, so I've heard -- recently being two or three decades ago -- there was a lot of cultural pressure for women not to divorce their husbands, no matter how abusive.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@M.A.R. Where?
ohhhh... -not to divorce-
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
There's an idiotic law that says "a woman can only file divorce if the husband allows it." TBH I have no idea what it means because I'm fairly certain it doesn't mean women are prisoners, at least not now
 
Mitch
Mitch
hasn't that been the case since forever only up to last century?
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
@Mitch Yeah, a lot of it is just perceptions
@Mitch I wouldn't know, I wasn't around then.
The sources tend to be so conflicting about this I can't be certain about it. I mean, things like marrying minors, a huge age gap in marriage, those certainly existed. But to what extent?
Other times there's just radio silence.
One thing to note is despite how both sides want to depict sort of an unchanging, culturally uniform Iran, many many ideological battles have been fought, so many recently so.
For example, up until 300 or so years ago, the majority of Iranians were Sunni. The Safavi dynasty (is that the right word?) promoted Shiism for perhaps political reasons
 
Mitch
Mitch
10:35 PM
@M.A.R. ideological battles?
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
(The Ottoman empire, the Turks were Sunni, that probably made war harder)
@Mitch Yeah, I think people have believed radically different things throughout the centuries here.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@M.A.R. (in English you generally say 'Safavid Empire' (thank you Google))
@M.A.R. Oh. I thought that you meant, by 'recent', that it was in the last 30 years, not 300.
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
I mean, on the surface it's all just "Islam", but more enlightened times like the 14th century where atheists could publicly debate their beliefs (although TBF a lot of them did end up being hanged by mobs or executed after a while) are probably culturally incomparable to, say, a couple of centuries later and a heavily superstitious, anti-progress Iran
And I definitely don't have the know-how to analyze how that might have affected things like marriage.
@Mitch That d is interesting. It certainly doesn't exist in the Persian and Arabic versions. Is it a suffix or something?
"Sassanid empire"
It sounds Latin-ish
@Mitch I'm saying things have been changing all the time, and if this is the amount of change that can happen in thirty years, I dunno how many of these transition period we've had
 
Mitch
Mitch
10:50 PM
@M.A.R. yeah or Greek. @Cerberus would have a better idea
 
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
So there's a show called "Mike Tyson mysteries"
The universe keeps delivering
@Oddthinking The OP surely seems to think that the question is the former (according to their last comment) but sorry, I don’t see It: the question text is clearly asking about the risk of phishing posed by Sci-Hub. If that wasn’t OP’s intent then the question should be rewritten (and would become pretty boring, in my view: the much more interesting question is as currently posed, especially since the answer appears to be: the BBC and the police are knowingly spreading lies). — Konrad Rudolph yesterday
Integrity in journalism is thrown out of the window when money is involved
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@M.A.R. Right, that is probably similar to other cultures.
 
SmokeDetector
SmokeDetector
11:08 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Repeating characters in answer (80): Word for "evaluating only the necessary components" by RealYZ on english.SE
 

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