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For some reason, this bit of the novel is what I remember best.

> The summoning rocket never flew. Below, the men did not fall into ranks again, but sat by the roadside, or stood in groups talking, discussing with a novel incredulity the ostensible causes of the war. “The Emperor!” said they; and “Oh, nonsense! We’re civilized men. Get some one else for this job! . . . Where’s the coffee?”

4:36 PM

@FaheemMitha I've heard that there are 'green' concrete production methods, but that's all I got.

net-zero? (ie some CO2 produced but I think somehow they sequester the CO2?)

That would take actual knowledge of things for me to tell

> GIRLFRIEND: Why don't you guys play jazz or something interesting like that?
GARAGE BAND LEAD GUITARIST: Well, but then we'd have to know how to play our instruments.

Green Concrete Production

> Eight to 10 percent of the world's total CO2 emissions come from manufacturing cement. The global warming gas is released when limestone and clays are crushed and heated to high temperatures. Green concrete is defined as a concrete which uses waste material as at least one of its components, or its production process does not lead to environmental destruction, or it has high performance and life cycle sustainability.

Miles Davis - On Green Dolphin Street (Audio)

@Mitch It takes green concrete to pave Green Dolphin Street?

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boopity boo bop, bibblety bibblety boo

waaaah waaaaah

There is a term of art 'green concrete' which is "concrete that has set but not appreciably hardened".

or rather 'concrete that is green'. 'green concrete' could be concrete with green food coloring

That's what Chicago uses to pave the Chicago River on St. Patrick's Day.

4:42 PM

that is a very bright green

usually the river is bluish-gren anyway, so on St Pat's it's -really- green

> The American Concrete Institute (ACI) defines green concrete as concrete that has set but not appreciably hardened (Ref. 1). Saw manufacturers and sawing contractors refer to green concrete as concrete that has set but hasn't fully cured (Ref. 2). Both definitions are imprecise because the terms appreciably hardened and fully cured aren't defined.

@Xanne Yeah...I stumbled over their use too. But docs are always using fancy words for their own purposes and I'm sure they could justify its use with some convoluted explanation. 'replete' is certainly in the ball-park, but sounds off there.

@Mitch Gray-green, perhaps?

4:58 PM

Any suggestions for an email username if your domain is firstnamelastname.mn? Say ???@genghiskhan.mn, if you happen to be Genghis Khan?

@CowperKettle She's the heroine of the movie, she survives all sorts of adversity (that's not the reason she is so awful). She is toxic. People die around her (sometimes because of her) but she is not moved by it. And she's manipulative.

You may then wonder what I think of her best friend Melanie, with whose husband Scarlett has a long term emotional affair, with Melanie's knowledge.

@Řídící Why not just genghiskhan? Or genghis if you want to be informal.

But Melanie still tries to be a good friend to Scarlett.

Which means that I think Melanie is an idiot.

@FaheemMitha It seems a bit redundant?

@FaheemMitha He likes for his friends to call him Temuzhin

5:01 PM

@Řídící Why is it redundant? You need a user name.

@Mitch That is actually great! For Genghis...

Redundant suggests that you could leave the user name blank. I think you'll find that doesn't work too well.

@Řídící Are you his friend? Then go wild.

oops... Temujin. I misspelled it.

@FaheemMitha Good point, I don't want emails that are addressed to me go to Twitter instead...

He hates that

Really bugs him

don't misspell his name.

@CowperKettle What does 'vle' mean in textspeak? Virtual Learning Environment? Vapor Levitation Epitaxy? Variable Length Encoding? Vintage Loudspeaker Emulator?

5:12 PM

@Mitch "People die around her (sometimes because of her) but she is not moved by it. And she's manipulative."

How should she be moved? What if she is moved, and only does not show it?

Why do Fox female hosts always look like this? ^^ Blond, heavily made up, severe in aspect, disapproving features ...

This Guy seems like a good guy

@CowperKettle Have you seen the movie (or read the book)? That might help with how I answer. Both are kind of long though.

5:14 PM

The movie "Gone With the Wind" would last an hour more if there were scenes in which Scarlett is moved by this or that.

@Mitch I read the book in my childhood, I liked it very much.

I saw the movie also in my childhood, a nice movie.

But the book was great.

@CowperKettle I've only seen the movie

Hitler was very much moved by the death of his love. But that did not stop him from being manipulative and sangfroid.

I mean when the young girl he was in love with committed suicide.

Also he was a great guy because he was a vegetarian and didn't smoke.

context matters

> Her room at Haus Wachenfeld was kept as she had left it, and he hung portraits of her in his own room there and at the Chancellery in Berlin.

She was his only true love.

Lenin hung a portrait of a terrorist (whose methods he opposed, but who inspired him) wherever he lived, but Hitler hung a portrait of Geli

In the context of romance novels, and the 'South' (the former Confederate states), Scarlett is a heroine because she is a survivor despite restrictions made on her by a man's world.

5:20 PM

I tried listening to an English version and was surprised at how good it was written. The language is very good.

I loved reading Updike, his language was delicious.

I took books in actual paper from a local library, an English-language library

I read "Rabbit, Run", the whole series, and then something else.

I was making a remark (not very original and very obviously intended in the movie) that she was pretty flippant about the death of people she would normally care about: her first husband in the war (was annoyed by mourning clothes), caused the death of her second husband by him being shot in some ambush while out trying to protect her honor (can't remember the details), and then fools her 3rd husband into marrying her (making a fancy dress out of curtains)

(that last one isn't particularly toxic, more funny)

@CowperKettle Not Margaret Mitchell?

@Mitch Margaret Mitchell was also great, but I only read her in Russian.

And only listened to about several pages in English.

Yes, she was young and that's why she wanted to be alive and to dance, and not mourn for ages.

@CowperKettle Sure. I'm just giving another viewpoint.

5:46 PM

@CowperKettle But she also didn't care about anyone but herself.

She would have made a fine Trump supporter.

6:05 PM

@CowperKettle She was his niece, wasn't she?

6:53 PM

@FaheemMitha so twice the mourning

@FaheemMitha Half-niece, that must be quite far.

Geli Raubal

Angela Maria "Geli" Raubal ([ˈɡeːliː ˈʀaʊ̯bal]; 4 June 1908 – 18 September 1931) was an Austro-Hungarian/Austrian woman who was the half-niece of Adolf Hitler. Born in Linz, Austria-Hungary, she was the second child and eldest daughter of Leo Raubal Sr. and Hitler's half-sister, Angela Raubal. Raubal lived in close contact with her uncle from 1925 until her presumed suicide in 1931. == Life == Angela Maria "Geli" Raubal was born in Linz, Austria-Hungary, where she was raised with her brother Leo and sister Elfriede. Her father died at the age of 31 when Geli was two. She and Elfriede accompanied...

I mean quite far in genetic terms.

Todd's half-niece would be a daughter of Brandon

> A half-niece or half-nephew is the child of one's half-sibling, related by 12.5%.

I don't understand whence Wikipedia got the figure 12.5%.

Okay.

Interestingly, Geli's brother was injured at Stalingrad

> He was injured in January 1943 during the Battle of Stalingrad,[4] and Friedrich Paulus asked Hitler for a plane to evacuate Raubal to Germany.[5] Hitler refused and Raubal was captured by the Soviets on 31 January 1943.

> Raubal was detained in Moscow's jails and was released by the Soviets on 28 September 1955, and returned to Austria.

I never knew about that.

He had the luck to survive. The bulk of captives at Stalingrad died. There was too little food and the conditions were dire.

7:13 PM

@CowperKettle His language is still delicious. He is dead, but his writing lives on. I remember some critic calling him "angel-tongued Updike." An accurate description.

@Mitch Usually the river is a kind of 1945 army-Jeep green. I don't see where the blue comes in.

Conrado

"...at last he came to the banks of the great grey-green, greasy Limpopo River, all set about with fever-trees, precisely as Kolokolo Bird had said. "

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Q: Lain vs. Laid, Passive Voice vs. Participial Adjective

7:39 PM

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I understand the difference between the verbs lie and lay; however, things seem to become somewhat confusing in certain sentences. For example: "The books were laid/lain out on the counter." In this sentence, it is possible to read this as a passive-voice construction, in which case laid would be...

Has any of you ever seen the word 'lain' in writing or used it yourself?

7:56 PM

@Řídící Yes of course; what else would you say?

After all, the past participle of rise is not raised.

@tchrist "Risen' is completely natural to me. Yet - as a non-native speaker - I am pretty sure I have never encountered 'lain' in speech or articles or books. And I certainly never used it myself.

Have you never lain out at the beach?

Have you never unlocked memories that had long lain hidden?

@tchrist Nah, not really my thing.

Have you never lain in bed for hours wide awake?

@tchrist Lots of times. But it would never have occurred to me to use the word 'lain'.

8:03 PM

@Řídící What were you doing there?

What's the verb?

You're lying, right?

@tchrist Good point. I suppose 'lain' somehow never entered my vocabulary.

I just don't know what other word to use there, so of course I use it whenever I have to.

> Yet for the last 800 years or so, sectarian divisions have lain mostly dormant. Shias tended to live in isolation and on the margins—in the mountains of Lebanon and Yemen, on the hot, swampy shores of the Persian Gulf, in self-contained Indian trading communities.

From a newspaper.

@tchrist I must have missed it.

I bet you just don't notice it.

@tchrist That's possible.

8:09 PM

> Booming China had not exactly been neglecting Central Asia, but its priorities had lain elsewhere.

More papers.