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00:00
OK, what did you do with my hat @Robusto?
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@KitFox Why did you change your statement? I thought the old one was better/
shrugs
I thought I should be more mundane and mediocre sounding.
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But I think it seems that others may think you are not serious if you mention sexual relations.
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So if you are serious maybe you should remove that part.
Then perhaps they oughtn't vote for me if they are concerned about how my seriousness might impact my performance.
I am serious, but not clamoring.
Others are clamoring.
I will do the job if I am elected and I think I would do it well. I am not interested in competing for it, or stepping on people's throats for the privilege of having a diamond.
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00:03
@KitFox Haha, if you add that line it could be to your advantage!
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@KitFox Diamonds are ugly. In fact I kind of hate all jewellery.
I went first because others would follow.
That puts me at the bottom of the list, which is an extreme disadvantage.
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Nah, the list is not ordered by anything other than that.
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I don't think anyone would think otherwise.
Being at the bottom is a disadvantage because people don't have long enough attention spans to make it to the end.
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00:06
In fact, one may argue that it is an advantage as it will leave the last impression which might also be the lasting impression.
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Also, some people may not read the posts in the order they appear.
Oh, you'll be sorted randomly for the primary. In this stage, it's best to either be first, so no one interrogates you in the comments since they've already left the page, or last, so that no one has time to interrogate you.
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@waiwai933 Interrogation? This reminds me of NS the spy.
@JasperLoy It's in the SE Moderator Election handbook. Rule #1: All candidates must, where possible, be interrogated. Rule #2: The software will enforce all other rules.
That's the entire handbook. Strangely enough, nothing specifically prohibits bribery.
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The only thing that can be used for bribery is (virtual) cookies.
00:10
(In other words, my vote goes to whoever ships the largest batch of cookies to my house).
Hey, that's cheating. You got that in before I finished typing.
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Of course. I am the Cookie Monster.
Oh sure. Just post your Google account, I'll take care of the rest.
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IAdapter remains the only person with no comments on election.
@kit I wonder what comments you'd get if our noms switched. I was lambasted for gender.
Well, to be fair, you mentioned your gender.
00:23
And you said you were a mother
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@KitFox You did in the previous version too.
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@simchona It's just one guy.
I am only voting for straight male WASPs who are between 1.80 and 1.90 cm tall.
And have dark hair and blue eyes.
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@Cerberus WASPs?
White Anglo-Saxon Protestants.
The Dutch are generally included btw.
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00:25
@Cerberus I guess the I there does not really refer to you, hehe.
Sure it does. Can't have deviate candidates.
@jasper two. But the comments got deleted.
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@Cerberus I thought you would only vote for the not straight ones, hehe.
Again, no deviates.
Deviates? Or deviants?
00:27
@simchona A mother yes, but not a female.
:-P
@simchona What's the difference?
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@KitFox Hehe.
@kit ah, therein lies the issue.
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But really the term mother must surely refer to a female in 99.9999 per cent of cases.
It confers a different level of gender identification.
"Female" is a gender target. "Mother" is someone you show respect to and obey.
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00:30
@KitFox That was very smart of you then. But it's gone!
Jasper, if you are so concerned about it, why don't you nominate yourself?
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Nope, I don't want to commit myself to this thing.
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After all, I don't need the blue name. I am already the blue square!
"Blue plane" would rhyme. :)
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Oh yes. In fact I used blue plane before.
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00:37
By the way is cornbread's avatar some famous person?
@JasperLoy I know. I remember.
@JasperLoy I don't know.
01:05
@Gigili you missed the part where someone in a wheel chair tried to use an escalator
01:32
@JasperLoy my ears were burning!
No... I found picture on a photo blog I used to visit on a daily basis run by a guy in Chicago. All he posted were found photos, and he would buy boxes of them at flea markets and such. I saw this picture and said whoa, because I look a lot like this person, and smoked at the time. Aside from the nose and the haircut, I quite look like this.
@JasperLoy I just think it's a funny picture. I rated it PG on Gravatar. :P
Huh, funny. I think that looks like @aedia too. Except I'm not sure if I know what she really looks like.
I imagine she kind of looks like me at 26.
Anyway, good night!
@JasperLoy here you go - bighappyfunhouse.com
good night @KitFox!
01:55
@KitFox Hey, don't look at me. @Reg is in charge of hats. He is, of course, the Mad Hatter.
02:33
I'm the pied piper.
 
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06:23
@simchona Indeed I did. I notice that Speedy has come ... and gone. It seems that his pot-shots have not been retained for posterity.
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@coleopterist Though I think there is room for flagging, I usually only flag the most evil things said, knowing that people think differently, express themselves differently, and may be misunderstood. Flagging does not solve the underlying conflict.
@JasperLoy I'd prefer to see vitriol hidden rather than nuked.
Spam, on the other hand, can be drawn and quartered repeatedly.
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@coleopterist I have flagged nothing in chat so far. I only flag main to keep things clean there and to its purpose. Of course, others are free to flag and suspend users as they deem fit.
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@cornbreadninja I was thinking if it might be you. It could be male or female, that pic.
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06:38
@KitFox Well, I remember what she looks like in that pic taken with the leaf.
06:52
lo folks
07:47
@Cerberus I'm white and anglo-saxon, but I won't protest ;)
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07:57
@MattЭллен And also straight.
08:54
@Robusto Why is a raven like a writing desk?
Jez
Jez
09:14
both of them have quills
neither can vote for members of parliament
Because yo papa so desperate he'd sleep with either
Because that's what she said.
dot tumblr dot com
Gosh, what is this?
I'm answering Reg's question to Robusto
Isn't it a bit premature to get drunk with power already?
I know the answer is somewhere in the transcript, but I can't be bothered to look it up
09:24
Sure.
@Cerberus I haven't been drunk with power for a long time, which is why I crave it so much!
Oh, so you're all sober. Sure.
I am as sober as you
unless you're drunk. in which case, I'm soberer than you
Did you get enough sleep last night, @Cerb?
Almost but not quite, a bit more than 7 hours.
But it was 7 hours the day before, and 5 the day before that.
So I still feel like I have a deficit.
You?
@Cerberus was it uninterrupted?
09:29
Yes, fairly uninterrupted.
Yours?
@Cerberus I work up feeling tired this morning, I don't know how many hours I got, but probably 7
@Cerberus Yeah, pretty much
Hmm then we're in the same boat.
Let's sink it!
we should use it to ram and board another boat where people get better sleep
09:31
Hahaha yes!
And keelhaul them all.
For gloating at us.
And failing to understand that it can be an issue.
those damnable gloaters
Yeah.
Perhaps they have some fair wenches and sailors aboard that we could use...
yo ho ho!
09:32
Indeed.
I wonder if this is Nortonn.
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Q: The Present Tense For a Past Act

SnellLet's say I am sitting at a table with three cupcakes on it. I finished making the cupcakes five seconds ago. I also finished counting them 5 seconds ago. 1 I have three cupcakes. 2 I see three cupcakes. 3 I make three cupcakes. 4 I count three cupcakes. How does the present ten...

I was wondering the same thing
but, habeas corpus, etc.
The other two questions could go either way, but this one is too similar to what Nortonn has posted in the past.
*habeas
@Cerberus I wondered where you'd gone!
09:36
Why do you think it is Nortonn?
Yeah, I was reading the question.
By the way, I feel that Reg should have a veto as to who will be his new colleagues.
@Cerberus well I told you to go nominate yourself, and did you listen?
well, now that I didn't see
clearly nortonn
@RegDwightАΑA We would argue and bicker all day, just like now.
He asked more of those. On Writers, too.
@RegDwightАΑA Okay, that's the same guy.
09:38
@Cerberus but it would be for the good of humanity, unlike now.
So why was that deleted anyway? Duplicate?
Nah that's just the current policy.
@RegDwightАΑA I should probably disagree here.
Nortonn is in the penalty box, after all.
Is that all?
09:39
Well we do leave like every tenth question open.
Diamonds in the rough, or what have you. Pebbles in the rough.
Looks like this is another reason why I wouldn't be a good moderator for this site.
good for skimming across ponds
Oh, I like that.
@Cerberus you'd let prisoners benefit from their crimes!
The thing is, more often than not he then goes and spoils it all himself by reposting the same question over and over again.
09:41
Skimming, is that what it's called?
@MattЭллен I might.
@Cerberus yes, when you throw a stone to make is bounce across the top of the water
@RegDwightАΑA Yes, that would clearly be a closing reason for me too.
@Cerberus more to the point, his stuff, even the acceptable stuff, then gets closevoted, and downvoted, by the community proper. And everything below -5 disappears from the front page anyway.
@MattЭллен Yes, it's just that I've never done it in English. And I wouldn't know what to call it in Dutch either.
He usually reaches that threshold within minutes. So his stuff might as well not exist in the first place.
09:42
Sad.
Well yes.
Have you seen that room where he explained himself?
Yes, and he is insane, obviously.
I am still scratching my head.
Careful, lest you ruffle your feathers.
So anyway. It's not like we are being draconic just because.
It's not some weird indiscernible policy on our part.
He tries hard to pollute the site, we push back.
Wie es in den Wald hineinruft, so schallt's auch heraus.
09:45
I would personally allow one copy each of his non-absurd questions.
That kind of is the status quo.
Wie kaatst kan de bal verwachten.
Especially if they have answers.
But is there an open copy of this question somewhere?
@Cerberus this particular question isn't even closed. This particular user isn't even merged. Yet.
09:46
Huh? It is deleted?
Ah that one.
I thought you were talking about the current one.
@JasperLoy :\
The one you linked to just now.
Hello there.
I'm sieving through the bog...
@Cerberus that one was migrated from writers
the new one is a different question using the same example
That one is ours. One of ours.
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Q: Could Count People Here

Nortonn SSuppose there is a question about how many people there are in some place. I could say: "I see a hundred people here." "I count a hundred people here." Could the verb count be used in the present tense like the verb see is?

Here. This one's open.
But as you can see, it already has two delete votes from within the community.
I can't be babysitting all his stuff and reopening it against the will of the people.
Especially since he's supposed not to be around in the first place.
Yes, I understand now.
The community is part of the problem to me.
Oh, democracy!
Well, I don't want people who circumvent the rules playing here.
Too bad aristocracy doesn't work either.
@MattЭллен Because he is suspended?
09:52
@Cerberus yes
I don't know.
he needs patients and an understanding of how to interact with people. He can't learn that at EL&U
On Kongregate, it is policy to allow alts as long as they behave: each alt has its own criminal record. This is meant to allow people to better their lives and start with a clean slate. Not sure that would work with N...
hmmm
from what I understand here, we're allowed alts, but if you do something wrong using one of them all of them are suspended. so long as we know your alts
plus, Nortonn almost certainly uses his alts to vote up his questions
@MattЭллен careful, one needs 15 reps to be able to vote up.
09:57
Isn't that detected?
> Die 3 Grοsçhen-Οper (1931)
@Reg: What's up with this spelling?
@Cerberus It would be. But there's a threshold.
Right.
@RegDwightАΑA oh, well in that case, probably he doesn't
You don't see every single individual vote. Except if you're a dev. In which case you have better stuff to do.
09:58
@Cerberus no idea. But that's the one used on the original 1928 poster.
@RegDwightАΑA But that is a normal c.
gropsun?
there's no c
Ah! You mean the c.
I thought you meant the weird spacing.
Cause these days it's one word, of course.
Die Dreigroschenoper ist ein Theaterstück von Bertolt Brecht mit Musik von Kurt Weill. Die Uraufführung fand am 31. August 1928 im Theater am Schiffbauerdamm in Berlin statt. Das „Stück mit Musik in einem Vorspiel und acht Bildern“ wurde die erfolgreichste deutsche Theateraufführung bis 1933, einige Musiknummern wie die Moritat von Mackie Messer wurden Welthits. Handlung Die Handlung kreist um den Konkurrenz- und Existenzkampf zwischen zwei „Geschäftsleuten“, dem Kopf der Londoner Bettelmafia, der Bettler erpresst und sie so ausstattet, dass sie das Mitleid der Passanten erregen, und...
@MattЭллен I know it's a joke, but still.
If you think English orthography is nuts, try Sütterlin.
@RegDwightАΑA I don't see anything out of the ordinary there...
10:03
The word Aluminium is basically a series of identical strokes.
You will see similar letters in other regions before the modern age.
Trying to find an image, thought it would be easier.
Of course.
But the cédille is what I don't understand.
@Cerberus the thing is, this one is from the modern age, specifically developed to be the best thing since sliced bread.
> Graphic artist Ludwig Sütterlin was commissioned by the Prussian ministry for culture to create a modern handwriting script in 1911.
Yes, but it is a continuation of older script.
A very conservative-reactionary continuation, as one would expect from Prussia.
10:06
pRussia, a pointer to Russia
@Cerberus Well so is the font we are using now.
Everyone can read what Romans wrote two thousand years ago. Not even Germans can read what Germans wrote seventy years ago.
I would see our modern font is more of a natural continuation: the Prussian script sought to skip certain humanist trends.
@RegDwightАΑA That is only because we went back to imitate Roman letters several times in history, all over Europe.
The Carolingian renaissance, and the humanist renaissance.
And then the Enlightenment.
Exactly. So why did the Germans have to kick out all the achievements of the Enlightment in 1911?
During the periods in between, our manuscripts deviated more and more from the Roman.
@RegDwightАΑA That is the issue.
Hullio.
10:09
But in fact, Roman casual handwriting is probably very hard to read for us.
I wonder whether we have anything left at all.
Or whether we have only book script, which has always been much easier to read.
Hello.
My casual writing is impossible to read even for me.
@RegDwightАΑA I can't read what I wrote from one year ago
@Gigili are you in a gangster's paradise?
10:13
This is supposedly Roman older majuscle and epistolary minuscle.
@MattЭллен I read my handwriting not by reading it, but by using it as a guide in remembering what I was writing.
Well I'm serious.
I use photographic and muscle memory.
I wish I could do that
@MattЭллен Not yet. But I will be, I will be.
10:14
I will often remember what was on on the TV at that moment, or what I was cooking.
It's all intertwined.
What is "Endung"?
But reading? Hell no.
You mean Hello?
@Gigili ending?
@RegDwightАΑA I know you are like that.
10:15
@Cerberus my teachers never quite understood that.
@RegDwightАΑA Why does it look like sigma?
I would scribble and draw in class. They thought I wasn't listening. And I kind of wasn't. But when I look at those "drawings" twenty years later, I suddenly remember what they were teaching that day.
Really?
Weird.
Well not always, not everything. But it's the general mechanism that I use a lot.
@RegDwightАΑA I haven't the slightest idea.
10:17
You weren't writing down Stichwörter at all?
I mean Stichwörterskaya.
@Cerberus nah, sometimes I would write stuff down word for word. I am not talking about that.
I am saying that I might as well have drawn a mouse, say.
Then I would remember, "when I drew the left ear, the teacher was talking about dative".
Doodles.
These days I have the same with LEGO.
You have a good memory.
I take a car off the shelf I built two years ago, I can tell you what was on TV when I was building a particular part of it, or what music I was listening to.
10:19
I sometimes have fleeting memories that may or may not come up.
Like a smell that reminds you of some place or person.
Also, that double m and n doesn't make much sense.
@Cerberus Very much so.
Oh, ending-s.
I thought it's ending in general!
@Gigili it's like Sigma in Greek. Or, um, every letter in Arabic.
@Cerberus it's really just muscle memory, though. Perhaps because I've been playing musical instruments all my life. No idea.
@RegDwightАΑA we need @Kit to run experiments on you
10:22
But whether drawing doodles or playing with LEGO, that's all in the fingers.
@MattЭллен you mean she hasn't been all this time?
or someone who still does fMRI
@RegDwightАΑA with electrodes? has she been firing positrons at your brain?
@Robusto Because it can produce a few notes, though they are very flat; and it is nevar put with the wrong end in front!
dot tumblr dot com
@MattЭллен I don't know. I don't remember. I wasn't playing with LEGO at that time.
Kit is firing neurons and Higgs bosons from the tiny implants in your brain right now.
10:26
Stop it, you're giving me a hadron.
Oh damn, you edited it.
Tell her to stop it.
It was probably my spelling corrector. But I relearned what bosons where when I had to teach one of my pupils quantum mechanics. Sort of.
@RegDwightАΑA funny anyway
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Q: How do you call the result of a translation?

Erel Segal HaleviSuppose I have a text in one language, and I translate it to another language. Is there a single word to describe the result of the translation? Something like "The translated text", but shorter.

> The most frequent character with cedilla is "ç" ("c" with cedilla, as in façade). It was first used for the sound of the voiceless alveolar affricate /ts/ in old Spanish and stems from the Visigothic form of the letter "z" (ʒ), whose upper loop was lengthened and reinterpreted as a "c", whereas its lower loop became the diminished appendage, the cedilla.
So ç was originally a z. That would explain why the Germans use sç for ß, which is also historically sz, isn't it?
It is still called es-zett, isn't it? @Reg
@MattЭллен Let's cry.
I'm confused. What do you call a translation?
what is the question?
10:35
A translation?
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@MattЭллен I was jinxed there.
@JasperLoy I saw :)
He is wondering about the common phenomenon where the result of a process acquires the same name as the process itself.
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@MattЭллен That means something good is about to happen IRL.
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@Cerberus And what is that called?
10:36
Originally, a translation is the process or action of translating, not the result; however, even in Latin the distinction was blurred, and the name of the action/process (translatio) was used for the result as well.
@JasperLoy I don't know whether it has a name.
It is a kind of metonymy.
Like a pars pro toto, but different.
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@Cerberus This is beyond me.
The OP is looking for the word "translation".
> "The translated text" but shorter
When you say "the enemy is too strong. We have only twenty sails, while he has sixty", you use the word "sail", a part of a ship, to mean the whole ship.
That is a figure of speech called pars pro toto.
When you say "the conservatives have twenty seats", what you mean is they have twenty members in parliament: the non-essential accessory ("seat") is used to designate the whole.
OK, so now I see his problem - is this a problem that a serious English Language enthusiast would have?
The question is misguided; the literal answer is "translation"; but something interesting could be said about the metonymy. This would be a great place. We have many older instances of where Kosmonaut et al. answered a misguided question by an interesting exposé.
10:43
What about by bosom?
so far the top voted answer isn't doing this. so far the top voted answer is shouting "Gen Ref"
@KitFox it is the particle representation of the field that gives mass to everything in the universe
@MattЭллен Yes.
@MattЭллен It is rather the mass that gives meaning to the universe.
@Cerberus I'm not smart enough to do as you propose, Cerb. If someone else isn't I feel the question rather clutters up the site
@MattЭллен I won't get into your way...
@Cerberus I rather wish you would :Þ You could make the site a much more interesting place
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10:51
@Cerberus Looks a little like you.
@Cerberus yes.
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What is he trying to achieve with that username?
Get people to call him.
10:55
No, that's Jenny's number.
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@KitFox Oh I did not think of that. Luckily that is not my number.
Could be a credit card number, I suppose, but I don't think those start with 1s.
4s, 5s, 3s and 6s in my experience
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Even worse. Why would anyone put up a credit card number?
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10:57
Maybe it is a ... library card number!
Yeah, 4s are Visas, 6s are other. I can't remember which are 5s and 3s. One is MasterCard.
5s are mastercard
3s are american express
Diners club start with 6s
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No British Express?
My cc starts with 5.
is it master card?
10:58
Oops!!! What have I done?
Yes.
@JasperLoy it's "I eoag qbgboplz, ea?" in Leet Speak.
Ooops!
my system works!
5434?
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I only have an identity card.
@MattЭллен So does Discover and things like CareCredit.
10:58
@MattЭллен Don't push it.
And no.
54 and then something else.
@Cerberus :D it's a number many master cards start with
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Oh, I also have a train card.
But not The Master Card.
Which is mine, obviously.
@KitFox I see. I didn't have to deal with those
The One Card to Rule Them All.
10:59
groans
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@Cerberus Then I am The Card.

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