English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

BAYMAX

00:16

Hey!

I was thinking about alernatives to grammarly software? any idea?

Jasper

00:54

@Gigili I can tell you that (1) I did not get that ping and (2) I cannot find it if I search for my name either. It seems that is because of the punctuation you used after the @name. I don't know whether that was your experiment, but I discovered that is how chat pings work. No, I don't have a youtube channel now and I don't really view youtube now either.

@BAYMAX I can tell you that Grammarly is a very bad piece of software. I say this based on the hundreds of advertisements I have seen on youtube asking you to use Grammarly. I don't know much about software or grammar, let alone grammar software, but I think it is best not to use any kind of grammar software. In fact, it is best not to use any spellchecker software either, and just consult a dictionary of your choice.

BAYMAX

That's also true! thanks@Jasper

Jasper

@BAYMAX How is your math studies? Have you graduated?

BAYMAX

It is going ok! yes, I have graduated and trying to do research.@Jasper sorry but I am unable to remind myself. Did I talk to you in the main math chatroom of MSE?

Jasper

@BAYMAX Yes, we spoke on several occasions in the past. I think I might have been the one to recommend Calculus and Linear Algebra 1 and 2 by Kaplan and Lewis to students wanting a good calculus textbook.

BAYMAX

Oh cool! thanks! how about you@Jasper

Jasper

01:03

@BAYMAX Me? Well, I don't want to talk about myself now, LOL. But it's good that you are trying to do research now. Don't forget me when you win the Fields medal!

@RegDwigнt I have seen that woman and tentacle sex painting many times. It is quite famous on the internet.

BAYMAX

Hehe, no problem! I think all it matters is to have experience and also help others! cheers@Jasper

KannE

05:24

I think they ran out of real questions. Everything is known or not worthwhile.

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M.A.R.

05:58

@BAYMAX Only biological ones come to mind

You can use a proofreading site, like HiNative

BAYMAX

07:47

Thank [email protected]., I will have a look!

Gigili

08:04

@RegDwigнt Now that you took the hassle, look up "happen to see" instead.

Or go ahead and ask on main.

Nah, I might vote to close that question as NARQ... but who cares

@RegDwigнt Sounds like you are a big fan.

@Jasper Oh, weird. That's what they do on main and it looks good too.

So how did you find out that I pinged you? That is the question

Jasper

09:34

@Gigili I think it depends on the exact punctuation used.

@Gigili I read the transcript now and then. I also search for my name now and then. I am a spy. I am Bond, James Bond. I am Bourne, Jason Bourne. QED.

RegDwigнt

10:18

@Gigili it tells me that "Happen to observe" is still a synonym of "happen to see".

M.A.R.

@Gigili On main I dunno, but in chat you can only use an apostrophe, comma, or dot after a ping

Three consecutive dots, as is some folks' wont to use, doesn't work. @Reg...

Didn't ping him

Johan Larsson

11:01

@Robusto I have not been following that much, scandiamannen iirc, he is dead now.

Robusto

12:27

@KannE I have been thinking the same thing.

Gigili

12:40

@RegDwigнt I can see you've mastered synonyms and it's time to move on to antonyms.

@M.A.R. pfft, why Reg of all people?

That makes it a very bad example.

Actually you did ping him but he won't get pinged

Mitch

@M.A.R. wait... there's a free proofreading service?

Why haven't you answered that every time (which is everyday) that somebody asks a proofreading question)?

Also, how does HiNative compare to ELU? Content- and quality-wise?

@Jasper I don't know about the quality of Grammarly (I should probably use something like that just to find all the words I out) but holy crap those ads are annoying.

Advertisements should be like stories. I don't want to see the same story over and over. I also don't want to see the same author over and over.

Geico ads get close (it's like they have different authors, different personalities, different subjects altogether, and I never know what I'm seeing until they mention Geico at the end (of course I'll never buy their product!!)

What really bothers me is the ads for Epoch Times. So many, and they're all trying to sell me propaganda.

That is, sure, the ads are propaganda, and that is very obvious, but they're trying to -sell- propaganda, and trying to get me to not like Chinese propaganda and to like the ET propaganda. It makes me not like any of it.

I prefer chocolate flavored propaganda.

Or rainbow sherbet. Mmmm...

RegDwigнt

13:04

@M.A.R. yeah that's because three consecutive dots won't ping me because it's a horrible typographical error and I just don't want to get pinged by people who can't type.

Try using the actual character for a horizontal ellipse. It is one character, not three.

@Mitch well to be fair, it's very easy to imagine a free proofreading service.

I think the only thing that's easier to imagine is the kind of quality it delivers.

Gigili

> Humans: Asleep at the wheel and then pissed when they crash.

RegDwigнt

13:35

Reading Russian news again, eh.

M.A.R.

17:26

@RegDwigнt They had you in mind when they designed it

@Mitch Not that hot to be honest.

It lacks the quality checks and controls SE has built-in. No downvotes or any sort of moderation, really.

But folks hang around each language section, and it's a good chance of getting a free proofreading done by a native speaker

@Gigili Semantics

@Mitch IIRC the pitfalls are the same as MS Word or other proofreading services. As soon as a sentence's structure ventures out of the absolutely ordinary it starts showing false positives and missing egregious errors.

Like it miserably fails when there are embedded clauses

So I guess it's great if you're at B1 and wanna cheat, not so much for writing your thesis

Not to mention some prescriptivist "rules" of questionable merit that always find their way into these things

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Q: Can 5G be used for more accurate location data?

I was wondering, cell towers seem to be positioned one or more km apart - and any carrier seems to be able to determine which tower I have the strongest connection to, and estimate an area I could be in. However, with 5G being deployed every few 10s of meters, would that also mean any carrier can...

technology

Duh. Ever heard of location settings?

KannE

19:16

@Mitch Like Kodak... Now people cry if their batteries die. I smashed my phone and I'm living in the 80s. My PCM called my husband; they thought I died. That's their expertise. I told everyone to write me a lovely letter, but I don't know if the post office can handle it all.

Xanne

20:31

@M.A.R. Location settings? “However, there is one major–and unavoidable–drawback to 5G: It’s going to cost you your location privacy. Anyone with access to your ISP’s cell tower data will be able to hone in on your exact location far more precisely than they can today under our 4G networks. “

I’ve heard people talk about shielding from 5G for rooms, e.g., bedroom.

Lambie

20:53

The quality of the last five questions is abysmal.

Xanne

21:18

@Lambie Yes. They need to get out, go to a rave, acquire some new stuff, whatever.

RegDwigнt

@M.A.R. thing is, even if the people doing the work, any kind of work, are really really really rubbish at it, you still have to provide some kind of incentive for them to stick around.

It doesn't have to be monetary, but it has to be something.

You can tell them, proofread this garbage for free and you'll be a contributor to the largest free online encyclopaedia mankind has ever built.

You can tell them, proofread this garbage for free and we'll give you an imaginary Internet point, and upon amassing 15 imaginary points you'll be able to join our chat and talk to @Robusto about music.

But you can't just tell them, proofread this for free. Now proofread this for free. Now proofread this for free. Now proofread this for free. Now proofread this for free.

After a while they'll get really bored and leave. Maybe after a minute, maybe after a year, but they will move on.

Robusto

Why you wake me up with your pings? Also make promises I may not wish to honor?

RegDwigнt

And keep in mind, I'm still talking about people who are actually really really bad at it. Maybe they'll just change a word. Maybe they'll change nothing. Maybe they'll actually make it much worse. But there is no maybe about them getting bored with it eventually.

Robusto

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Q: A word with a meaning like "append" but not necessarily to the end

I want to say "The owner information can be appended to the input string". But I don't want to limit the place of this addition to the end of string. It can happen at the beginning, among the string (for example in every other letter), or at the end. What is the suitable word for this? In compute...

word-choice

I'm certainly bored with this.

RegDwigнt

And now imagine those people are actually good. They are actually qualified to do the job. They could make a living out of it. Now go tell them to do it for free. Then do it for free. Then do it for free.

@Robusto it's a dupe of a dupe of a dupe.

Robusto

21:27

How about just add? "The information can be added to the input string" and we don't have to complicate things further. — Robusto 16 secs ago

RegDwigнt

I can't add a comment, what the actual fuck.

Robusto

Keerist, do we have to change your diapers?

RegDwigнt

Clicking on "add comment" now takes me to the answer field.

Robusto

Maybe that's a not-so-subtle suasion.

RegDwigнt

@Robusto I was going to propose "add", "include", and "think real hard".

I can't close it, either. None of the links do anything for me anymore.

Thank you, Obama.

Robusto

21:29

I was going to be rude, but I was admonished not to do so.

@RegDwigнt Did you try refreshing the page?

Also, did you remember to plug in your computer?

RegDwigнt

@Robusto yes, all that did was show me that you beat me to it.

Robusto

You're not using the optical drive as a cup holder again, are you?

RegDwigнt

I went and did it from my tablet this one time but I'm certainly not interested in switching devices permanently.

Robusto

I saw that. And he outed himself as someone who is attempting to get us to name software artifacts.

@m123: What, your language doesn't overload words and operators? Get used to the fact that just about any word in English has multiple meanings, and that users of it are expected to switch between them with no trouble. English is not a programming language, and people recognize the difference between you talking about software and the software talking to the compiler. — Robusto 42 secs ago

I'm too tired right now not to hate people who bother me with their shit.

RegDwigнt

Meh why am I even trying you keep beating me to it.

And I can't onebox what I said because that also stopped working. I would have to go and copy the link on my tablet, paste it to Google Drive, then copy it to my PC, then post it here.

Even I am not that bored.

Robusto

21:41

He latched onto your comment and wants further instruction now.

Oh, and sounds like it's about time to reboot your computer, or at least quit your browser and open it again.

RegDwigнt

@Robusto It's okay, I got us covered:

Hilary Hahn : Ernst - Der Erlkönig

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Robusto

Schubert, b'god.

"Mein Vater, mein Vater ..."

Poor little kid.

RegDwigнt

I can make my guitar sound like I'm playing three instruments at once. But she makes the violin sound like four instruments at once.

And she can only play two strings at a time as opposed to six.

Robusto

I can make my piano sound like I'm playing one instrument at once.

RegDwigнt

Woah really?

What instrument is it?

Robusto

21:45

I had to order it special.

RegDwigнt

No I mean what instrument you sound like when you're playing your piano.

Robusto

Impossible to describe. Also, you can't simply acquire an understanding of that process unless you already understand it fully.

RegDwigнt

And then she goes and just adds some pizz on top. To the four instruments already playing.

Robusto

Bitch.

How dare she?

RegDwigнt

She's really young in that vid, too. She didn't even have time to practice.

Robusto

21:49

And to top it all off, she has wonderful intonation and several really great tonal concepts. It's just not fair.

@Reg: Why do they give the transcriber, Ernst, all the credit when it's Schubert who wrote the damn Lied?

RegDwigнt

@Robusto because she does so in the monologue at the beginning that I rather unfairly cut off.

He does deserve credit. Schubert would have never been able to arrange it like that himself.

Robusto

Ah. I don't have time to listen to all your shit, and I especially don't have time to listen to all the shit you cut off.

RegDwigнt

It's a win-win.

Robusto

Well, to be fair, Schubert died at 29, so had he lived he might have been able to do that eventually.

RegDwigнt

Well, to be fair, he died of syphilis, so it's his own fucking fault. And I'm using fucking advisedly.

He also got to bear a torch at Beethoven's funeral, so TBH he doesn't get to complain.

Robusto

21:54

If you die of syphilis at 29 it proves you're not a nerd.

RegDwigнt

Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau; "Der Erlkönig"; D 328; Franz Schubert

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Robusto

And now you have me in the mood for one of my favorite Schubert pieces:

Schubert:Das Forellen Quintett/Trout Quintet D.667 Op114 from Esbjerg EnergiMetropol

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RegDwigнt

Yes we can never get enough of that one.

Robusto

@RegDwigнt That guy is from my era. And oddly enough, I have that recording somewhere.

RegDwigнt

That is the recording I first listened to in the same school class and roughly in the same year as the Berio we recently discussed.

Robusto

21:59

In fact, I think that's the first version of the song I ever fucking heard. Whoa.

Take me to your Lieder.

RegDwigнt

> What is the difference between Brawl, Broil, Fracas, Melee, Fight, Ruckus, Rumpus?

Well, for starters, most of the letters are completely different.

Also, fracas? Granddad, I told you to stay away from the computer.

And where did you even put skirmish, I'm looking for it and I'm not seeing it.

@Robusto the other week someone posted "Das Lied der Deutschen - the National Anthem of Germany. {Professional production FULL SCORE.}"

Lambie

22:14

@RegDwigнt Broil seems to be the odd man out.

RegDwigнt

The very first instrument name read "flote".

I asked them, what the hell is a flote.

They didn't get the message. They replied "it's German for flute".

So I had to go and post a second comment saying "no it isn't". In German.

I thought the Internet was supposed to help make everything faster.

Instead you now have to explain everything twice.

And then people will still ignore it and listen to Trump instead.

Shrug.

@Lambie inorite. It only works as a verb but he's clearly listing nouns.

That's what happens when you just plug a random word into LEO.org, and then just rattle off whatever it lists without trimming it down first.

Lambie

Hear, hear!

RegDwigнt

What is the difference between Room, Space, Region, Chamber, Zone, Range, Area, Scope, Compartment, Volume, and District?

Whoever tells you that German isn't succinct, doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about.

Lambie

22:30

Sorry, but no language is "succinct". It's like saying French is verbose. Qualifying languages like that doesn't really fly very far....

RegDwigнt

Well take it up with Mark Twain. Except he won't listen, he conveniently died.

Robusto

23:47

@RegDwigнt Ich denke, dass es genau wie eine Flöte ist.

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