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M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

10:57

Hunger is very burdensome.

^ Did I do it right @Cap

BTW, I said it in another chat and I say it here again. You said you're usually hungry, but don't enjoy food anyway.

That's the quintessential symptom of some mineral deficiencies or even more important stuff.

One of the biggest mistakes I ever did was ignoring symptoms of my own problem, so I wouldn't want anyone else to do the same.

A 'full checkup' lab test, as they call it, is really not too much

But it'll tell you most of what's wrong and what's not

Captain Bohemian

14:10

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ not exactly, and I have clarified about this many times. I don't know why you can't understand. I wonder if your brain has some problem.

I do enjoy food if the food is made really delicious (not by me, but by someone else; I have never had interest in making food delicious) and accompanied with enjoyable atmosphere, like a group of knowledgeable scholars discussing interesting scientific topics.

the invariant food every day and the need to hunt for food alone through the invariant ennui-ridden lanes can just bring more hassle than the slight pleasing feeling of food itself.

I prefer to save the hassle than getting the slight pleasing feeling of food if it's not for solving hunger.

also, another problem of getting food alone is that some eatery engagers would pay attention to me and talk with me. I don't really like to talk with these irrelevant people at all because they don't understand my concerns and if they ask me some questions related to my problems, I can just gloss over because talking to them the truth is meaningless since they can't understand and can't give any helpful feedbacks.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

14:49

@CaptainBohemian No, my brain is fine, thanks.

So much for helping.

Enjoy the ignore.

I've only ever ignored a handful of people, and they really went over the line, but now I realize I'm fed up with warm bath problems and 'food labor' discussions.

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15:41

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Færd

16:09

@Cerberus I remember we talked about a program that allowed you to assign key combinations to various graphemes. Do you remember where it was?

It works across all programs, right? And you would never need to install an additional keyboard for each (Roman alphabet) language?

Captain Bohemian

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ I wish you one day fall into a wasteland alone to understand yourself the pain of hunger.

it's difficult to understand others' trouble for one who has never experienced it on their own.

I also have ignored a person who is like you always wrongly assuming others' problems.

when we can understand others', it's better to ignore them.

Cerberus

16:37

@Færd Correct! It works everywhere.

Well, maybe there are very rare exceptions, programmes that somehow capture all key presses.

It is called Autohotkey.

I can help you set it up in the way you like. What would you want it to do?

tchrist

@Cerberus Alas that among Alexander Polyhistor, Cleopatra Polyglot, and Leonardo Polymath history has bestowed us no Odysseus Polytrope for his many twists and tricks nor Odysseus Polymete/Polymetis for his many counsels and wiles.

Cerberus

@tchrist Hello!

Do you mean, in English literature?

For, in Homer Odysseus is quite polytrope!

As you probably know.

tchrist

Yes, I mean in English. I'm surprised at finding that μῆτις seems to have no or few English descendants.

Entmoot may be sideways cognate, I suppose.

Cerberus

Hah.

I don't actually know the origin of μῆτις.

Is moot related to meet and mete?

tchrist

mete is probably just measure always.

The OED gets lost tracing the common ancestor of English moot < OE mot, cognate to Middle Dutch moet.

Cerberus

16:51

Yes, it does seem related to mete!

tchrist

Oh maybe mete is it.

Cerberus

Which in turn is related to Latin metior.

tchrist

> Etymology: Cognate with Old Frisian meta , Middle Dutch mēten (Dutch meten ), Old Saxon metan (Middle Low German mēten , German regional (Low German) meten ), Old High German mezzan (Middle High German mezzen , German messen ), Old Icelandic meta to value, Old Swedish mäta to measure (Swedish mäta ), Gothic mitan < an Indo-European base meaning ‘to measure, weigh, consider, judge’; compare Avestan mad- (in the compound vī-mād- doctor), ancient Greek μέδειν to protect, rule, μέδεσθαι to be mindful of, provide for, μέδιμνος medimnus n., classical Latin meditārī meditate v., medērī to heal (…

Specifically: "and (with lengthened grade) ancient Greek μήδεα (plural) counsels, plans, Armenian mit thought, mind, and Germanic forms cited s.vv. i-mete adj., met n.1 The Indo-European base is probably ultimately related (in a way that has not been satisfactorily explained) to the bases of measure n. and meal n.2 "

harrumphs at in a way that has not been satisfactorily explained

Cerberus

I.e. we have no idea how.

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Cerberus

16:56

> meten: ... Qua betekenis ligt het Germaanse werkwoord dichter bij Latijn metīrī ‘meten’, maar dat gaat terug op de wortel pie. *meh1- ‘(af)meten’, zie → meter 1. Bij deze laatstgenoemde wortel zijn geen Germaanse erfwoorden bekend, op één afgeleid zn. na, oe. mǣþ ‘maat, hoeveelheid’ (< pie. *meh1-ti-; me. methe). Misschien zijn in pgm. *metan- wel woorden uit pie. *med- en pie. *m(e)h1- samengevallen.

Hmm they're not sure whether meten "measure" is related to Latin metiri "measure", which I find surprising.

So then mete/meten might or might not be related to μῆτις and metior?

Mitch

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Don't take it personally. He only meant it as concern for your cerebral health. I mean, not yours in particular, but anybody's who show exactly the same characteristics as yours, in only your circumstances. Anybody like that. But mostly just you.

@skillpatrol gathers sticks

lots of sticks

Færd

17:11

@Cerberus Thanks! I've installed it. Let's set it up!

Cerberus

@Færd Yay!

What do you want it to do?

I, for example, use e// to do é.

Færd

I want to have key combinations for graphemes.

Cerberus

Which ones?

Færd

That looks good.

I guess if we don one of them, the rest are the same?

Cerberus

I can give you my list, which you could copy-paste into an .ahk text file.

You can set each combo just as you like!

Færd

17:13

That would be great.

Cerberus

;*** ;----Macrons e.a. hotstrings----

:*?:a-=-::ā
:*?:e-=-::ē
:*?:i-=-::ī
:*?:o-=-::ō
:*?:u-=-::ū
:*?:y-=-::ȳ

:*?:a\/::ă
:*?:e\/::ĕ
:*?:i\/::ĭ
:*?:o\/::ŏ
:*?:u\/::ŭ
:*?:y\/::ў

:*?:=//::≠

;*
;*** ;----Accented letters------------
#EscapeChar '

; :*?:--qq::{Asc 0150 ;} ;–
:*?:--qq::–
:*?:-qq::–
:*?:-00::–
; :*?:---qx::{Asc 0151 ;} ;
:*?:---qx::—
:*?:-==::—

:*?:^0::⁰
:*?:^1::¹
:*?:^2::²
:*?:^3::³
:*?:^4::⁴
:*?:^5::⁵
:*?:^6::⁶
:*?:^7::⁷
:*?:^8::⁸
:*?:^9::⁹

:*?:^00::⁰
:*?:^11::¹
:*?:^22::²
:*?:^33::³

You can tell what each line does by looking at it, I think?

Færd

So I make an .ahk document, paste this, save it, run it, and bingo?

Cerberus

Oh, make sure you save the .ahk file in the right format.

Færd

@Cerberus Yes!

Where do you choose the format?

Cerberus

You also have to execute the .ahk file: the hotstrings will only be active while it's running. I have it execute on Windows startup.

Færd

17:16

Aha.

Cerberus

(Put it in the Startup folder, in the Start Menu > Programs > Startup.)

Or put a shortcut to the file there.

Færd

I will.

What about the format?

Cerberus

If you get gibberish as output, when you do the hotstring, that means it should be saved in a different format.

I think it needs to be UTF-8, probably "with BOM".

What editor are you using to save the file?

Færd

Hmm. Okay. I'll try it and see if I get the desired output or not.

Cerberus

Yes.

Færd

17:18

@Cerberus What should I use?

Notepad?

Cerberus

I think any editor can be used, but, if I know what you're using, I can look/test it.

I'll look at basic Notepad.

Færd

I'm going to try Notepad now.

Cerberus

It says "UTF-8" for me in Notepad, when I open my file.

So that should probably work.

Færd

YAYYYY! It works!

Cerberus

Yay!

And you can add other symbols.

Or you can set it up to send more that a single symbol.

For example, I have oedqq set up as Oxford English Dictionary.

Færd

17:21

Haha clever.

Dank je wel!

Cerberus

Yay!

If you need it to outputer a non-character, such as the Enter key, do {Enter} as part of the output string.

Færd

Aha.

Cerberus

You could also do this:

> :*:dateqq::
FormatTime, CurrentDateTime, , yyyy-MM-dd
SendInput %CurrentDateTime%
Return

When I type dateqq, I get 2019-05-19.

Færd

Are these instructions recorded somewhere?

Cerberus

Well, Autohotkey, is a full programming language, so there is an infinite number of things you can have it do.

Færd

17:25

There is a huge Autohotkey Help to explore.

Cerberus

Yup.

If there is something specific that you'd like, I'll be happy to point you in the right direction. Chances are it's super easy to do.

Færd

And you could execute more than one file at the same time, right?

@Cerberus I guess I'm going to get a hang of it pretty soon.

Cerberus

By the way, things like {Enter} and strings that span several lines, or output that isn't only a string but requires commands, like FormatTime, cannot be done on a single like; then you need to do it like the date example: new line, instructions, end with "Return".

@Færd Yes. But, in case they conflict, it's easier to find the problem if you have everything in one script.

@Færd It's like getting the hang of a programming language: just use only what you need or feel like learning. No need to know everything (hardly anybody does).

Færd

@Cerberus How did you know you must break the line after yyyy-MM-dd?

@Cerberus right

Cerberus

You can also click the mouse by doing a command like Click or Click Right 700, 900.

@Færd If you don't do a line break immediately after the last colon, then 1.) almost everything will be interpreted literally, so you would literally send y, y, y, etc. 2.) Without a line break, the output will only be what's on that same line; it will end at the end of the line, and the next line won't be executed at all.

@Færd autohotkey.com/docs/Hotstrings.htm

Here is the help for hotstrings.

Færd

17:33

I see. I'm going to experiment with all that and see how it goes. It's easier to remember that way.

Cerberus

(Those pages are the same content as the .chm help file on your computer.)

Færd

Cool.

Cerberus

@Færd Indeed, I find that I can only motivate myself to learn programming stuff when the result seems cool.

Færd

@Cerberus (I need a VPN for that. Ludicrous.)

Cerberus

Yikes.

Well, you can just go to the Hotstrings page in the help file instead.

Færd

17:34

It's at hand. No worries.

Okay I'm good.

Cerberus

In case you want to do more with Autohotkey, I have it set up such that many errors are detected automatically as you type (this is called linting), and the right page in the help file pops up automatically as you type a specific command or function or variable.

The linter and help pop-aren't fully finished yet, but they work well enough for me.

Good luck!

Færd

Thanks. I'll ask you if I get bogged down and couldn't wriggle my way out.

Which is supposedly unlikely.

Cerberus

Notice that I have set up zx to output * (put a semicolon at the beginning of the line if you want to disable a line ("comment it out")).

Good!

Færd

Right.

Off to more ahk explorations!

Cerberus

Yay!

Færd

17:38

Ciao.

Cerberus

Bai.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

18:44

Crap

Seems like I missed the conversation of the day

@Mitch I'll marry someone and we'll both take it as a couple.

Macrons?

One Macron is more than enough.

He looks like the villain in Garfield's sequel. If it had one.

Oh it did. So Garfield's sequel's sequel

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