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> We often talk about racism, homophobia, transphobia, sexism, ageism and such, but rarely about discrimination towards regional accents. Since moving to Edinburgh to study, I have experienced countless remarks regarding my Whalsay accent...

Shetty situation, eh?

@RegDwigнt I guess I have said that quite a lot in here.

But it's such a useful expression. It can express agreement, understanding, acknowledgment, skepticism and ridicule all in a couple of deadpan syllables.

If it didn't exist, we would be obliged to invent it.

I've composed a poem for a friend upon seeing her photo

@CowperKettle Re: TB; it's probably too late now, but I think some call it a first episode. I have no idea what fits in a table cell.

@KannE Thank you!

@Robusto so you can say "I will be positionful next month."? but how do you know you will be offered a position since this is not what you can determined on your own?

Is it okay to name a table "ECG results by patient", meaning that the data are provided for each individual patient?

actualy I saw proleptic in this kind of context.

@tchrist Such a common form of harassment and discrimination.

Thoughts? See comment.

Mocks @Færd's Tehrani accent

@CowperKettle You have not composed a poem for me yet, lol.

@CaptainBohemian No. For one thing, you can never say "positionful." For another, "will be" expresses the future, so it's not proleptic. The present is used for prolepsis.

Another example: "We've got it made!" when said on the suspicion that the stock you just bought is going to skyrocket in value. Hasn't happened yet, you see?

@Robusto actually that person says assistant professor (proleptic). Positionful is just a generic way of expressing you hold a position.

Hi.

I need to know if it is correct to use "neither" this way : " he does not eat, neither does he talk".

According to that saying, everyone can say I am xxx [a position] (proleptic) before actually getting that position.

Can anyone help me in here please?

Guys if you know please help, it's kinda' urgent

@parvin that's fine.

Thank you @RegDwigнt <3

You can say it in many ways. The simplest would be just "he does not eat or talk".

I see, i just wanted to see how we can use neither

@CaptainBohemian If it's not a word people use you're going to get weird looks.

Neither stresses the second part.

@parvin Why does he neither eat or talk? Sounds like a depressing situation

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ nowadays people creat new words everywhere.

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Lol! My example reveals my monday mood

@CaptainBohemian But they don't use coinages in formal contexts, and my impression is you typically need this stuff in formal mails and such

position is such an important recourse for non-selfsustained people. so using the word positionful is justified.

@RegDwigнt sorry to ask too many, but, is it also correct to say "neither he talks" or "neither talks(used the pronoun before)"?

@parvin It's really gloomy here with all the clouds. I feel like lying around and watching the ceiling all day

@parvin He neither talks, nor eats.

@parvin no. You have to use do-support.

@CaptainBohemian using the word "positionful" is never justified, because "positionful" is not a word.

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ no, nobody would use positionful is formal mail for asking positon from people who have the power to give positions.

Listen to @Robusto. He knows shit, mate.

@RegDwigнt @M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ thank you both <3

but it's a word to talk to friends when they get position.

No. It is not a word.

@RegDwigнt word.

you can coin it.

No, you can coin it. And then nobody will understand WTF you're on about.

@CaptainBohemian "Positionful" is a generic way of labeling yourself a non-native speaker.

friends will understand.

You're setting a low bar there, friend.

@CaptainBohemian Then there's even less reason to say "positionful". You should say "kbabarovianski" instead.

Friends will understand. And it rolls off the tongue much smoother.

@parvin No problem. Also, why would you be depressed on this Monday of all Mondays.

It's the best Monday all year.

Is that a Russian writer?

No. It's an English word that means "positionful".

Obviously you are not a friend.

English has become a universal language. I have seen people from different countries speak English in the way they create and nobody bothers to judge whether what that say are in a native way as long as they can understand each other.

@RegDwigнt Whoa you don't have to be a jerk about it. Spams friend request

@CaptainBohemian That's like saying you play tennis with friends and never hit the ball over the net, but you have a wonderful time not doing it right.

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ I would be a friend about it but I have to accept your request first.

@RegDwigнt we don't have Easter in here if that's what you mean! I'm in the s**ty middle east.

@Robusto you play tennis with a ball? Just who do you think you are, Roger Federer?

I mean, why even ask for advice if you're going to ignore it?

@parvin but the slutty middle east is where Easter happened!

Jesus didn't eat or talk for three days. And then he reconsidered.

That happened in the Middle East. On this Monday.

I have even heard the term singlish meaning the language combining Singaporean and English.

@RegDwigнt I don't play tennis at all. Federer is safe ... for now. When he gets into a car accident, let me know. Then I will challenge him.

@CaptainBohemian yes, it's called singlish precisely because it is not English.

Otherwise it would be called English.

@RegDwigнt So ... is he still unleavened? I guess it depends on where you are in the world, ne?

Hai.

so what's point whether it's English or not?

There is no point. But this is the English room. So by default we assume your question is about English and not German spoken with the Ukrainian accent.

OK, Captain, you're 100% right. It doesn't matter how you speak English if you don't care how you speak it. It also doesn't matter if you show up to a job interview with coffee stains on your shirt carrying a dead skunk. It's all about expressing your own personality, right? To hell with convention, skill, and comprehensible discourse.

The person with coffee stains and a dead skunk has just as much chance as any other person to get that job, right?

a lot of terms which are commonly spoken in English are not really English, like ennui, annus mirabilis, etc. these words are notoriously difficult to meomrize but I see them often.

Anyway, I have to go ride my bike now. The day is too nice to spend in here.

@RegDwigнt wow really?! Well that's nice =) I didn't know that! But anyway all we have these days is Trumpy news of sanction and war and stuff like that, it's no fun =))

@Robusto CU. I'm not drinking, I'm finishing my decet.

@CaptainBohemian ennui is an English word. It is borrowed, but so is April. If you exclude all borrowed words from any language, you'll have none of that language left.

Annus mirabilis on the other hand cannot be claimed to have entered the English language. You'd offset it in italics and clarify.

Positionful is not a borrowed word. It is a word that you are trying to coin in English, using English material and applying English rules.

If today is Easter, is tomorrow Wester?

=))

Luckily I know the number of this room. Otherwise I would not be able to find it, given that it now has a ridiculous name.

this is the rule of English: -ful means the contrast to -less.

Yes, white is neither colourful nor colourless.

The rainbow is colourful and water is colourless.

But neither the rainbow nor water is white.

@CaptainBohemian exactly right. Spiteful means full of spite. Resourceful means full of resources. Vengeful means full of vengeance. Grateful means full of appreciation.

And so positionful means "full of position".

You cannot be full of position. What does that even mean.

@Jasper that name means we don't need to confine ourselves to speak English.

@CaptainBohemian You misspelled ourselves.

I don't have spelling checking software now.

@RegDwigнt then I say positioned.

If the 15-inch Macbook Pro is the most premium laptop with macOS, then I think the Dell XPS 15 is the most premium laptop with Windows 10.

@CaptainBohemian I never use spell check or grammar check software, because they are usually very lousy.

For spelling, check an authoritative dictionary.

For grammar, just try to improve your grammar by reading authoritative grammars.

@Jasper but they can automatially check your spelling when you are writing important documents. Their drawback is that they can't check mathematical terms.

@CaptainBohemian sure. You can say that. But that word is already taken to mean something different.

@CaptainBohemian If I am writing something important, I would not want to trust some software. I would rather trust myself and my dictionaries.

@CaptainBohemian You misspelled automatically.

Yeah if it's important that's when I make sure to spellcheck myself.

Letting others do it is what you do when it's not important.

@Jasper but often I misspell words easily mindlessly so it's better I have a spelling software embedded when writing important documents.

@CaptainBohemian Such software can be helpful, but only if your English is very, very lousy.

Again, if they are important, you would proofread them. If you don't proofread them, they cannot be important.

But I gotta run proofread a symphony.

Have fun.

@Jasper the main point I am unsatisfied with most spelling checking software is that they seem not to understand Mathematical terms so that when you write Mathematical terms they underline them as incorrect whether you spell them correctly or not.

@Jasper You misspelled the reply arrow.

@CaptainBohemian It's OK. They don't understand chemistry or physics either. Or language.

@CowperKettle YW. There's probably a more technical term, but I don't think they use the word "onset" with TB because they usually don't know when it...onsetted, ha-ha. Sometimes it just stays encapsulated in lung tissue, or something like that. I don't remember what the "it" is called.

If bots could talk as well as I do I would have let them do the talking.

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ physics terms don't often have problems with spelling checking softwares because they mostly come from daily words.

momentum is a physics word, but you can also hear it from daily conversation.

that's why I have long felt physics is easy in that you don't really need to learn a lot of new words to study it.

chemistry is notoriously filled with words most spelling checking softwares can't understand.

but I don't touch chemistry often so don't need to type them often.

@CowperKettle BTW, they used to keep TB patients locked up here (NC; maybe in lots of other places too, I dunno). There was a "TB quarantine" in the town where my father was born. The large brick building was still standing empty in the 80s. They were still too afraid to tear it down then.

@KannE Same here

There was also a so-called PPD test to ensure immunosuppression won't cause problems with TB after transplant

@KannE We have an old TB treatment clinic in the Modern style of the 1920s built at the remote outskirts of town, amidst the pines.

Sounds more like a cabin in the woods

Due to the invention of anti-TB drugs, the TB clinic now resides in a small building, and the modern-style houses are now used as a psychiatric clinic.

Definitely a cabin in the woods

They were specifically designed to let in as much light as possible, with huge windows and big balconies for patients to come out on and breathe in the air.

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ The funny thing, the management of the Regional Psychiatric Clinic located there hired a poet/musician, who composed an Anthem of the Sverdlovsk Regional Psychiatric Clinic

It became a kind of meme for a while on the Russian interwebz

In professional rendering that became the meme ^^^

There are hilarious comments on the YouTube page under the video.

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ My father took me to his hometown in the 80s and drove past the building (it was boarded up, fenced in, and had a big new warning sign out front). He wanted to show me his biggest fear as a child--being locked up in there because he had chronic bronchitis (in tobacco land, basically).

Example: "I wish they injected me with the same thing that made them compose this Anthem"

Another comment "Let's make this the Russian National Anthem"

"They sing so well I want to get hospitalized there"

Actually the lyrics are good.

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Hmm, I remember we practiced making wheals (injecting saline under the skin; in medic training) in order to test for...was it TB? I can't remember. I probably couldn't apply a bandage properly now.

@Jasper I've been very busy

@KannE IME the only people who can't apply bandages properly are the people who think they can't apply bandages properly

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Thank you.

I was in third grade when we first came to Tehran. I remember I continued to raise eyebrows with my Araki accent and expressions right thru middle school (and I liked it). Now it's indistinguishably Tehrani (or a Tehrani dialect/accent), unless I want to talk with my paternal grandparents back in Arak.

@tchrist Nice.

Can I say "You are now in the Middle Ages, that era where magic was considered real"?

@Færd I actually dunno what Araki accent sounds like. Or I've forgotten.

@CowperKettle Amidst the pines...I love that. I'm in NC, so I'm amidst the pines right now, 40-some in my near-acre lot on a dead-man's curve. A man actually went of the road, hit a pine tree and died, but it was called dead man's curve before that. And the pine tree was across the street, not one of mine. I don't put pine trees in people's way.

@KannE Maybe earlier a man hit a pine on his horse

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ I remember there was this huge 3 y/o girl. I worked on a pediatric ward, and I would say she looked like a big 5 or 6 y/o. Anyway, while visiting a cemetery with her family on Halloween, she knocked over a tombstone, and it crushed 3 of her little toes on one foot (they had to be removed). So, a medical student (not believing she could be 3) misread the notes and believed she was 8. So, he taught her how to change her own dressings. She was really good at it.

The nurses just laughed and asked me to watch since she was only 3. She just put the ointment on the bone tips like it was nothing--1, 2, 3--making sure she didn't contaminate the ointment. She was like a giant genius.

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Well, it used to be a soybean field. Drunk people would roll their cars in it and then stumble to our house with sticks in their hair and covered in dirt. Really, but I don't remember anyone dying. It must've been before our time. A terrible horsing accident, as you say.

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Khomeini could give you a remote idea.

@Færd Oh, right! A university that's not a university is not a university

Il faut put a bagel in your forehead pour être belle

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ But it also is a university.

What area is an Araki accent from? Northeast? Tabriz? Or Kurdistan? or ...?

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Ah, no, that was his own idiolect.

@Mitch It's to the south-east of Tehran, so center-east of the country.

My father comes from a village near Khomein (Khomeini's hometown), near Arak (the capital of that province).

All those places have their own accent variations.

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Speaking of which, did you matriculate?

@Færd er... south west? beyond Qom from Tehran?

Damn. Yes, west.

Why do you ask if you already know.

and is the Isfahani accent even more different?

That's totally different. Out of this ballpark.

@Færd I didn't. But after you said directions I looked it up.

@Færd But also I thought that it was big desert south-east of Tehran but wasn't sure.

@Mitch Thanks for the correction.

@Mitch Yeap. With a lot of inhabited areas in between the desert and Tehran.

@Mitch That's the opposite of a unicorn.

@Færd Or a unicorn that had an accident.

Head-on.

Like maybe it was pulled out from the roots.

POP

@Mitch Yeah, but then we stopped doing that and just practiced on arms. We spelled it wheal, but I see "weal" online too.

It's kinda gross. Like for shock value.

With swelling around the roots.

It's swell.

@KannE Is there a clinically useful point to doing that?

Teaching the patient to deal with it is clinically useful.

@Færd No actually, 900 was apparently not good enough :/

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ You mean like a test drive amputation of a pinkie to get them prepared for the whole arm?

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Wha? You're going to do it again?

Do I have a choice?

I don't know.

But you could of get the best mileage out of that 900.

I look on the bright side. It's like I served my compulsory military service on the unit of a dialysis center

That was my ranking.

@Mitch Well, I was an Army 'medic' on a pediatric ward, so I can hardly remember that stuff, but some shots are practiced on an orange or just jabbed into a buddy's arm (I hated doing that); some had to be wheals (we used saline). To test for things such as TB? I can't remember. I think they just prick the underside of your arm with a little plastic thing now. Uh, I'm here because I have memory problems. Remember?

@Færd Last year, 1500 did it. This year, the last acceptance to the university was 637 I heard.

(That's could have gotten, of course)

It's OK, now I have a third kidney bigger than both my native kidneys combined

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Another university?

P.S. even if I did make it I would have had to take the year off due to transplant anyway

Okay then. Happy new kidney.

Thanks! Actually, brain function is negatively affected by dialysis and creatinine levels, so only now it's a fair fight

Now means this summer?

Mhm

I'm hoping for a 200.

Go get them.

Rawr

(Even now it isn't all that fair. The immunosuppressive drugs I take and the time consuming visits to doctors are hindering)

But Imma take fairness and shove it up life's arse.

^ See, improved verbal functions after transplant

deep

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ More power to you.

And night.

Night

@KannE Plot twist: She was 33

@Mitch Or she could be a tiny person and it's just a mini donut. You can't assume sci-fi people are average sized...or anyone for that matter.

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ I think she was almost 4, but as many times as I've told this story, she was probably 33 at least once.

@KannE Oh I get it now. It's just practice for giving injections or drawing blood. Just using needles.

WTF they re-recorded the Chicken-on-a-Raft song.

chickenonaraft.com

Does @Mitch even know.

Used to be this:

I am old.