English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

8:01 PM

@Mitch it can't be new to these people if there's three of them on the front page alone. Right now.

Even more to the point, when John Lawler leaves a comment that supplies the complete answer in five words, why would you go and write up a fifty-sentence answer. What are you doing with your life. You are not immortal.

Cerberus

@Færd Congrats!

RegDwigнt

@Færd remember: it's not stealing if you just download it.

Cerberus

I didn't know you were about to move out.

Mitch

@Færd Excellent. What will you cook?

Cerberus

@RegDwigнt Off with your hand!

RegDwigнt

8:06 PM

Pfft. I'll download a new hand.

Cerberus

Fine.

Don't forget to download the Internet onto your floppy first.

RegDwigнt

Oct 6 '15 at 12:33, by RegDwigнt

http://downloadmoreram.com/

Once you have enough RAM, you can download the entire Internet.

Cerberus

Or RAM, yes.

Whichever you prefer.

Memory is memory, IIRC.

Mitch

@RegDwigнt Hmm... also Sven? Maybe they're counting on others not remembering or caring?

Færd

@Cerberus Thanks! I wasn't. It was an abrupt decision.

Cerberus

8:07 PM

Oh, so you always had the means, just lacked the will?

Færd

@RegDwigнt First I load it and then I down it. How bout that?

RegDwigнt

@Cerberus Nonono, first you download RAM from the Internet, then you download the Internet into the RAM. The order is not negotiatible.

Cerberus

@Færd Duplex?

RegDwigнt

@Færd that's not downloading, that's loaddowning. And that's NSFW.

Cerberus

@RegDwigнt Ohh you should work at a computer help desk.

RegDwigнt

8:09 PM

@Cerberus oh but I do, hun.

Cerberus

Really.

Færd

@Mitch Let's have a potluck for now.

RegDwigнt

I tell people "you are stupid" fifty times a day. And then I come to ELU...

Færd

@Cerberus Nah it's barely 40 sq meters.

RegDwigнt

My first flat was 28.

Even my fourth like 60.

Færd

8:11 PM

Good for me then.

RegDwigнt

Yeah you rich brat you.

Færd

But you need to subtract your age from that.

Cerberus

@Færd Right, I misread. And probably would have misused the term anyway.

RegDwigнt

I stopped incrementing my age at the age of 25.

Cerberus

Mine is 45 m².

Færd

8:13 PM

Man I'm feeling better about my home.

Cerberus

And it also has five steps between my kitchen / sitting room and the rest of the house.

RegDwigнt

Just yesterday I was giving an interview to the German radio and they asked my age and I had to pause for way longer than they liked. And then after the pause I had to say, hold on a minute, I must run some calculations first.

Færd

I'm glad I shared it with you.

Cerberus

Yay.

Færd

Haha

Cerberus

8:13 PM

@RegDwigнt Nice.

What was the interview about?

Færd

His age?

RegDwigнt

The concert in Frankfurt.

@Færd yeah time-wise, half the interview was about the age.

The other questions I could answer immediately.

Færd

You look younger than me.

RegDwigнt

I look younger than me, too. We should be friends or something.

Færd

I'm already friends with both of you.

RegDwigнt

8:15 PM

Yes and Trump doesn't approve.

Cerberus

Maybe he will change.

He has said that maybe the climate is changing, after all.

RegDwigнt

We should just all become friends with Trump. Then he'll approve of us.

Færd

That degenerate is not the one who doesn't approve.

Cerberus

If you can't lose all hope in Trump, then how you you lose faith in humanity?

RegDwigнt

I don't lose faith in humanity. I lost it a long time ago. Catch up.

Cerberus

8:18 PM

@Færd Then who does?

@RegDwigнt Then regain it.

RegDwigнt

Oh but I can't regain it now that Trump is here.

Færd

@Cerberus The correct question is who doesnt?. We were talking about a three-way relationship, and some of his base wouldn't approve of that.

Or I just think too much about our jokes.

RegDwigнt

I lost all hope before Trump was even a thing, and now that he is a thing you're telling me it's somehow gotten better. Are you on his campaign team?

Færd

I don't feel total despair in your works tho.

RegDwigнt

Haha you'd be the first one, then. And thank you.

Færd

8:20 PM

In humanity or in absolute terms or whatever.

RegDwigнt

Did you read my shit on Instagram? I think it was under the last video actually. How even my bruh complained my stuff was depressing.

And he's fucking Russian.

Færd

You're welcome.

Yeah I did. And I don't think I agree.

RegDwigнt

Well yeah. Music doesn't mean anything. Music means whatever you take away from it.

Færd

Some of your works feel me with a lot of loving joy.

Cerberus

@RegDwigнt By the wat, consider this answer:

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A: What does Homer mean when he says, "her words had wings"?

Hermes, the messager of the gods, is perceived as flying like a bird (see his flight to bring a message from Zeus to Calypso in the Odyssey), or "winged", so that when a speech is of very great importance, it is "winged". Another possibility is that initially, these sort of speeches, έπεα, were n...

QED.

Færd

8:22 PM

... Especially when text and music is combined.

Mitch

@Færd That is exactly how to do it.

Cerberus

@Færd Oh, yes, I mislooked.

Mitch

I'll bring drinks

RegDwigнt

@Cerberus okay, thanks. But is it actually correct?

Clearly when Homer said "her words had wings" he was just translating the Russian proverb.

Cerberus

@RegDwigнt Although some substantiating would be nice, it looks good to me.

RegDwigнt

8:23 PM

Also he never said that. He didn't speak English at all.

Cerberus

I posted this in light of our earlier discussion, in case you didn't realise it.

RegDwigнt

And certainly not Modern English.

Cerberus

And I swear that's not my sock!

RegDwigнt

@Cerberus what is Ancient Greek for "thank you for explaining the obvious". single-word-request

Cerberus

OK, fine. You might have missed the fact that it is a 1-rep posting a useful answer to a very old question with an accepted answer, but I'm glad you remembered.

RegDwigнt

8:25 PM

@Færd well on that note, some people say the texts are all depressing as well.

@Cerberus where? Can you post a link?

And was it a question from 2011 that had 8 answers already? Because otherwise it doesn't count.

Cerberus

@ladenedge Nice post, and good to see you here!

@RegDwigнt It is from 2011 and it already had 9 answers. Now I don't know whether you're joking anymore, but I posted the link just there.

RegDwigнt

Who are any of these people. What is happening. Where is @Robusto and Thursagen and Nortonn. These are the only people I know and trust.

Cerberus

Don't forget Rathony.

RegDwigнt

@Cerberus are you drunk?

Cerberus

Who, by the way, I saw has lots of reps on History.SE, and good posts, too.

Mitch

8:28 PM

@Cerberus I don't get it. How did that come about, the 'take that back' command? It's such a thing that kid's say. "Your mom wear's army boot's." "Oh boo hoo take that back!"

Cerberus

@RegDwigнt I wish.

RegDwigнt

Also no it didn't have 9 answers. It has 9 answers with this new one included. Hence my 8. Jesus Christ get with the programme.

Mitch

shouldn't be the response be "Yeah and she's coming to stomp your face in"

RegDwigнt

@Cerberus well there's your problem right there.

Cerberus

Just come back from a parent-teacher meeting where I had to explain lots of simple, obvious things to people.

Mitch

8:28 PM

@Cerberus None with references

Jasper Loy

Where is Thursagen and Thursagan?

RegDwigнt

19 mins ago, by RegDwigнt

I tell people "you are stupid" fifty times a day. And then I come to ELU...

Welcome to the club.

Cerberus

@RegDwigнt Comments are answers!

Jasper Loy

@Cerberus Are you teaching history in a high school?

RegDwigнt

@Cerberus NOU.

Cerberus

8:29 PM

No x2.

Or sometimes.

RegDwigнt

I have an everything-proof shield. You lose.

Cerberus

I need food.

RegDwigнt

You need vodka.

Has a lot of calories.

Cerberus

I've only eaten 1 slice of bread and a few tiny cheese cubes today.

And 1 1/2 cookie.

RegDwigнt

What, no tulips?

Jasper Loy

8:30 PM

@Cerberus Are you vegetarian now?

RegDwigнt

The cookie was a dog's biscuit.

It had horse in it.

Cerberus

No, your new fellow countrymen have long since been expelled.

@JasperLoy Still no.

RegDwigнt

You need to buy Grisbi.

Cerberus

What's wrong with horse meat?

RegDwigнt

You'll never be hungry again.

Cerberus

8:31 PM

They don't grow here.

RegDwigнt

@Cerberus who said there was something wrong with horse meat?

Jasper Loy

@Cerberus I am considering going vegan but I am not even vegetarian now.

RegDwigнt

Are you hungry or also blind now?

Cerberus

Who said there was someone who said that?

RegDwigнt

@Cerberus they do grow in the Amazon, and Amazon do grow everywhere.

Cerberus

8:32 PM

@JasperLoy Be sure to watch your proteins, your vitamins, and your minerals.

RegDwigнt

@Cerberus so can you post a link now please? I'm still waiting.

Cerberus

@RegDwigнt CHOP IT DOWN

That's what Bolsonaro will do.

RegDwigнt

WE'RE ON IT.

Færd

@RegDwigнt I think that's unfair. I loved the one about marrying language and music without them knowing each other. And the thought experiment was engaging as well.

Jasper Loy

@RegDwigнt Amazon is owned by Jeff Bezos = JB = Justin Bieber.

Cerberus

8:33 PM

@RegDwigнt <looks at paws> I have nothing.

Mitch

@JasperLoy = Jason Bourne

RegDwigнt

@Færd ah no, I meant the texts the music is put to. The lyrics. The poems.

Jasper Loy

@Cerberus According to the vegan sources I have read, plants can supply all the nutrition we need.

Mitch

= Justin Bimberlake

RegDwigнt

My texts are never depressing. My texts are always awesome and light-hearted. You all will die, BTW.

Færd

8:34 PM

@RegDwigнt Ah, okay.

Cerberus

@Mitch = Green Square.

Mitch

@JasperLoy except for cholesterol and vitamin B12, both of which are necessary.

Cerberus

@JasperLoy But you do need to watch out.

Mitch

@Cerberus That's a very innovative use of initials

Færd

I don't remember any of the lyrics at the moment.

But there's a line between sad and depressing.

Cerberus

8:35 PM

@Mitch What? Where? I see no initials. Kill them all!

Færd

You have be dead not to feel sorrow.

Jasper Loy

@Mitch I don't remember the facts about B12 now, but I have seen it popping up everywhere on vegan sources.

Cerberus

@Færd Melancholy.

RegDwigнt

@Færd Yes, which is why I used depression and melancholy as two separate entities in my recent post, even though Wikipedia insisted they are complete synonyms.

Mitch

@Færd If you died then you'd be sorry

Jasper Loy

8:36 PM

@RegDwigнt Honestly, I do not know what clinical depression is. I think the condition does not exist.

Mitch

@JasperLoy and what do those sources say?

Jasper Loy

@Mitch I am too lazy to check now.

@Mitch Are you saying that some cholesterol is needed by the body?

Mitch

@JasperLoy I'll check. It says if you don't have enough B12, you'll get dementia, fall over , and possibly die.

RegDwigнt

@Mitch well, one source had this to say, for example.

Mitch

@JasperLoy Of course.

Jasper Loy

8:38 PM

I vaguely remember that tchrist is vegetarian.

Mitch

@RegDwigнt I'm not clicking on your russian porn link

RegDwigнt

I vegetarially remember that tchrist is vague.

@Mitch if I had a link to Russian porn, I wouldn't be talking to you, friendo.

Mitch

Somehow I feel flattered now

Jasper Loy

Interesting story. I preordered a book on Book Depository months ago. Publication date arrives, still no book, order cancelled automatically. I then preordered it again after date changed, now still no book, so I think cancellation will come again. I don't know how many times I have to order it...

RegDwigнt

@Mitch Wrongfully, that's how. The answer is wrongfully.

Jasper Loy

8:40 PM

I was thinking maybe they could at least send me an email to ask if I want to cancel it rather than cancel it for me.

Mitch

@RegDwigнt The only time I hear 'wrongful' is in the context of 'death suit'.

RegDwigнt

@Mitch death suit is just German for a cookie.

Jasper Loy

I also gave them various feedback in the past, but they never acted on it, so I stopped giving feedback. Maybe I should email Jeff Bezos and tell him directly. He will listen.

RegDwigнt

They are selling backpacks and calling them body bags. And people say Germans have no sense of humour.

Mitch

@RegDwigнt The Germans have two words for everything

Færd

8:42 PM

@Cerberus Perhaps.

Jasper Loy

@RegDwigнt May I know the brand of your 12 year old computer, or the model?

Færd

@RegDwigнt I guess melancholy has a different shade of meaning when applied to art and music? Ordinarily, tho, it sounds as depressing as it gets.

RegDwigнt

The Germans have one word for everything.
And that word is *alles*.

@JasperLoy It's something something Compaq shit.-

Jasper Loy

The only German I speak now is Guten Tag.

Færd

@Mitch I'll let you know about that when I'm dead. Just a heads-up. You'll be haunted but don't worry.

RegDwigнt

8:42 PM

I don't know no models. Computer or otherwise.

Cerberus

@RegDwigнt No, that's Dutch.

Jasper Loy

@RegDwigнt I did not know Compaq is a brand. I don't see it here much.

RegDwigнt

@Cerberus Well "Dutch" is just the English word for "Deutsch".

Mitch

@Færd I'm worried now

Cerberus

Quite so.

Jasper Loy

8:44 PM

English, Dutch, and German form a continuum of sorts.

Færd

@Mitch You'd better pray for my health.

RegDwigнt

@JasperLoy I didn't know Compaq was a brand, either. And then I told them, and they didn't know themselves. And they got so freaked out they immediately filed for bankruptcy and stopped being a brand, period.

Cerberus

Two greyish birds and two blue squares were sitting in a room. Enter the dog, saying "woof".

3

Woof.

RegDwigнt

You're not entering. You've been sitting here for half an hour.

Mitch

@Cerberus Where is @MetaEd to complete the picture?

Cerberus

8:45 PM

I got up and got a glass of water.

Jasper Loy

It is very strange that few messages of mine get starred. I expect more stars.

RegDwigнt

@Cerberus That's no calories. I told you to get vodka, not voda.

Mitch

@JasperLoy I see what you're trying to do.

Jasper Loy

@Cerberus I got up and a glass of water.

Cerberus

@Mitch Someone closed the stable doors after the horse had escaped.

So no Mr Ed.

Mitch

8:46 PM

@Cerberus So you're saying @MetaEd is a horse?

Jasper Loy

I thought Mitch and Meta had the same picture until I looked more closely.

Mitch

I see what you're trying to do.

Cerberus

@JasperLoy You zeugmatic syllepsis.

RegDwigнt

@JasperLoy Joe Stockley was in an expensive sports car and deep trouble. This time, he had really let his mouth and his exotic foreign lover run away with him and it was getting beyond a joke and his immediate circle of friends in the form of rumours and speculation.

Mitch

@JasperLoy His picture is not very ambitious

RegDwigнt

8:47 PM

As he ran a red light, the conversation back in his mind and away from his troubles, he couldn’t help but feel a sense of rising panic and the soft matte finish of his hand-stitched leather steering wheel. Angelica had been absolutely right and his wife for fifteen years, so why was he running scared, these kind of risks and this deadly gauntlet of illicit entanglements?

Cerberus

@Mitch Or...he could be the person who was off closing the door.

Jasper Loy

Anyway, I want to say that I think AHD is the best AmE dictionary except for the fact that it has 4000 full colour images. I really wished they removed all the images and made the font bigger instead and the book smaller.

RegDwigнt

AHD is just ADHD who stopped paying attention halfway through their own name.

Mitch

@JasperLoy How about more images. It could be improved by more.

RegDwigнt

Whoever is starring every post, you only have 30 stars a day.

Jasper Loy

8:49 PM

@Mitch The 2018 update to the 2011 edition is published this week. Get it while it is hot!

@RegDwigнt That's me. Every post is a big exaggeration, an overexaggeration in fact.

Mitch

@Cerberus Don't try to twist your words into some Saudi excusing, used-car salesman lying, lawyer talking children's story.

@RegDwigнt What?

RegDwigнt

@JasperLoy we all knew it's you.

Mitch

Hell yeah! Star like mf crazy!

RegDwigнt

1 min ago, by RegDwigнt

Whoever is starring every post, you only have 30 stars a day.

Jasper Loy

I only star what I find interesting. I do not abuse stars.

RegDwigнt

8:51 PM

If you are slow at reading, I am typing this really slowly.

Mitch

@RegDwigнt I dare JB to star that

Jasper Loy

Recently I learnt that video card has memory as well. I only know about the usual computer RAM.

RegDwigнt

@Mitch Good for you. I dare to go and drink vodka, for Cerberus is not up to the task.

MetaEd

@Cerberus He-he-lo, Wilbur

Jasper Loy

At least with me starring, the star wall does not remain static and show posts from 9000 years ago.

I think we need to star more then.

Mitch

8:53 PM

@JasperLoy Anything starred is crap

RegDwigнt

0

Q: When did photos start?

When was the first photos taken with the first camera? Some sites states that the first photos were taken in 1826 but some sites states that the first photos were taken in 1827. I want to know the exact year not close to the correct year.

etymology

Jasper Loy

@Mitch After HMH took over the rights to WNWCD, it prints updates very often. There is a 2018 update to the 2014 edition.

Cerberus

@Mitch HOW DARE YOU MENTION THE NOBLE HOUSE OF SAUD

@MetaEd Yay!

@RegDwigнt Oh, great question.

RegDwigнt

When did babby formed?

Mitch

@JasperLoy ???

Jasper Loy

8:56 PM

Right now, both AHD and WNWCD are published by HMH, and they take a lot of pride in their dictionaries, I can see.

@Mitch Webster's New World College Dictionary.

That is the one the APA style guide recommends.

Mitch

@JasperLoy Oh. Their Acquisitions and Mergers departments must be as busy as a beach side arcade.

Cerberus

how is prangent formed

►

Mitch

@JasperLoy I wonder if they eat their own dog food.

Cerberus

This truly deserves its 26 million views.

Jasper Loy

@Mitch I think they are helping out schools affected by Hurrican Florence now to restock.

Mitch

8:58 PM

like if they have dogs, and then special food for the dogs, and if they eat that.

Cerberus

That more people than live in all of Holland.

Mitch

@JasperLoy I think Hurricane Michael was worse

Don't you have typhoons to worry about?

MetaEd

So apparently I need to clean up the starboard ...

Jasper Loy

After Britannica took over MW, MW has been slow in publishing updates. Currently W3 is in the 1961 edition and MWCD is in the 2003 edition.

I don't mind people removing my stars. But I only use about 5 stars in a day, not the maximum 30.

I don't see why stars need to be removed, unless they are from a user who uses 30 stars every day for 30 days.

MetaEd

9:12 PM

@JasperLoy From the FAQ: "The room sidebar is intended to be a collaboratively created mini-timeline of interesting room events for people who don't have time to read the entire chat transcript for that particular room."

So you mark the posts that you think will be valuable to folks who show up later.

Cerberus

@MetaEd +1

MetaEd

9:28 PM

@JasperLoy There's a thing called star spamming, which is pushing useful messages off the transcript by starring too much.

Robusto

9:56 PM

@RegDwigнt Who is this Robusto of whom you speak?

@Cerberus New portmanteau: What do you call it when you murder a journalist in your own consulate? Saudacious!

Chappo

@ladenedge Thanks @ladenedge for your kind acknowledgement!

Robusto

@RegDwigнt Funny, I thought it was nichts. I guess I must be looking through the wrong end of the telescope.

Also, let's not forget that the German national anthem presents a logical paradox. "Deutschland über alles"? How can something be above everything. It would have to be above itself, which is logically impossible. (I mean, I guess, whoever expected the Germans to be logical, right?)

MetaEd

@Cerberus Aaaaaaaaaaaaa

Feeds

10:19 PM

0

Q: Verb for "friction"

Many languages have a verb to describe friction between two objects e.g. The door xxxx the carpet. Is there a similar way to say so in English rather than "There is friction between the door and the carpet"? I guess "fricts" is not a word :)

single-word-requests verbs

RegDwigнt

10:42 PM

@Robusto since when have you become a Brit?

Only Brits think "Deutschland über alles" is in the German anthem.

Nobody else does.

Least of all the Germans.

"The land of the free and the home of the brave", on the other hand... Shit's hilarious.

Feeds

1

I'm looking to describe an effect caused by using a prticular construction in English, and the fact that it affects the listener and the whole of their thought processes whithout the listener being aware of it. The words insidious or pernicious would almost do, but these have negative connotation...

single-word-requests

Jasper Loy

11:02 PM

@MetaEd Thanks for the link. But if you observe all the SE chat rooms, that is not how stars are used in reality.

Mitch

In "La Marseillaise":
They're coming right into your arms
To cut the throats of your sons, your women!

@JasperLoy We use it to foment revolution

And by foment I mean 'add seltzer water to'

MetaEd

11:17 PM

@JasperLoy Sometimes chat users become a little ebullient with the stars yes

RegDwigнt

11:40 PM

@Mitch I know every word of the Marseillaise by heart. That's the most peaceful part, the one you just quoted. Try "qu'un sang impur abreuve nos sillons".

It's really quite awesome.

Meanwhile the brave in the land of the brave summon all their courage to call their fries "freedom". Lol.

Feeds

0

Q: What is a word for "someone to whom you pledge loyalty"

I'm looking for a single word that behaves almost like an antonym for "follower" or "constituent", but that doesn't carry the "official-ness" of "leader." He felt betrayed by his [person to whom he pledged loyalty]

single-word-requests

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