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12:27 AM
@Færd You would believe it to be a spirit?
@Færd Waaah that's so conflicting.
Should I do the opposite of your literal expression or of the spirit behind it?
 
12:44 AM
@Cerberus Definitely oppose the spirit!
@Cerberus Sometimes you just need to forget about words and subside into the bliss of the moment.
 
The rainbow or yours?
I'll pick yours and continue to listen to Barobax.
 
Mine!
 
Have you had a fun night?
 
Then you just listened to me.
 
That never.
I've been cleaning.
 
12:45 AM
@Cerberus Not bad.
 
Which I hate and hence rarely do.
Good.
 
What about your assistant cleaner?
The robot.
 
He helped!
He did the floor.
 
Glad to hear you weren't alone.
 
I did the stove top and the loo and a few other things.
 
12:47 AM
Enjoy dirtying them again.
 
Yeah, that's what I hate about it most.
It's not an accomplishment, because it is soon destroyed again.
 
Such is life.
 
I am not Sisyphus.
@Færd One would have hoped the underworld to be different.
 
The most torturous parts are all about cyclic meaninglessness, according to the accounts available.
 
I suppose so.
Also in Zoroastrian mythology?
 
12:51 AM
Oh, I know little about their idea of afterlife.
I studied their theology a long time ago.
 
Nice.
I think it is they who invented Heaven and Hell.
 
Hmm.
 
The Jews took it from them, I believe.
 
I think the urge to assume that good and bad are going to be answered accordingly is stronger than to be confined to the teachings of one specific religion.
 
And of course Christian mythology is heavily based on Jewish mythology.
@Færd But different religions have different solutions for that, or only very limited ones.
Hindus believe you'll reincarnate into better flesh if you live well.
 
12:55 AM
Yeah. Or worse flesh.
 
Greeks and Romans believed in a drab afterlife for almost everyone, except heroes and those the gods specifically picked. And a special place of torture. But it wasn't as binary as Zoroaster and friends.
 
@Cerberus That doesn't really address the urge I mentioned. They were clearly out of order.
Or it sounds like the religion of the elite.
 
No, it was the general belief.
 
OK.
 
And I don't believe the Chinese believed in a clear Heaven and Hell either?
 
12:57 AM
In Islam there's a range of reward and punishment you get, and some people are believed to be stuck somewhere in the middle I guess.
So it's not that binary.
So there's a tiered afterlife world.
15 tiers, or so.
 
Right, but isn't that like Christian mythology?
Where you also have circles of heaven and hell, and purgatory.
 
Perhaps.
 
It would make sense, since Islamic mythology is generally based on Jewish and Christian mythology combined with Arabic folk religion?
> Chinese religions have a variety of sources, local forms, founder backgrounds, and ritual and philosophical traditions. Despite this diversity, there is a common core that can be summarised as four theological, cosmological, and moral concepts:[4]
Tian (天), Heaven, the transcendent source of moral meaning; qi (氣), the breath or energy that animates the universe; jingzu (敬祖), the veneration of ancestors; and bao ying (報應), moral reciprocity; together with two traditional concepts of fate and meaning:[5] ming yun (命運), the personal destiny or burgeoning; and yuan fen (緣分), "fateful coincide
I see Heaven, but no Hell.
 
See, this is what cleaning is good for.
Makes you think about stuff.
It's interesting if they believe only in a heaven.
 
@Færd About Hell?
 
1:05 AM
Well, cleaning makes you wish there was Heaven.
Unperturbed bliss.
And then you might consider the exact opposite of that, and get the idea of Hell.
 
I'd rather not be thinking about these things and not cleaning.
 
That's the choice we don't have yet.
 
Well...
 
Put on some Barobax and dance your way round the floor with the mop to keep you from thinking too much.
(What a badly-worded, almost ungrammatical sentence!)
See you.
 
1:22 AM
@Færd Hmm it looks grammatical enough.
 
2:07 AM
@MetaEd I think the fruit would be happy that it's not known as the worst thing.
@Cerberus Every nagging aunt reinvents that every time a nephew visits
@Cerberus so organized. the religion of German Engineering
@Færd It's also good for when you're on a deadline and avoiding doing the thing you're supposed to
 
@Mitch Even so, it doesn't really exist as such in most religions...
@Mitch I think that's Wikipaedia's interpretation of some important generalised ideas and concepts: Chinese religion has always been a bit of a patchwork in practice.
 
 
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4:26 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL in title, bad NS for domain in body, bad NS for domain in title, bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body, +5 more: reviverxtry.com/elemor-cream/ by robotalfart on english.SE
 
 
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9:00 AM
@Mitch Based on a true story? :)
@Cerberus The infinitive (to keep) should come after its semantic subject (Barobax), I think.
 
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Q: How can I express the time between late 80s and beginning of 90s (somewhere around 1888-1992)?

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9:42 AM
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Q: Is there a word for "sympathy, but not support"?

Ivan TalanovSome time ago, I watched a video appeal, and while I definitely felt sympathy for the speaker, I cannot say that when pressed to make a decision about his cause I would support it. I understand why the position that is opposite to the speaker's exists, and it makes more sense to me logically. Is...

 
 
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3:26 PM
Morning, campers.
 
 
1 hour later…
4:39 PM
@MetaEd Camp has not started yet
 
@Mitch I guess I'd better pull up stakes then.
 
@Mitch Because it's over.
Evening.
I'm wondering how erratically participial adjectives (or adjectival participles?) act.
Some have a passive meaning (broken glass), some active (advanced student).
Most are pre-positive, but some are post-positive (the people quesioned).
And some are non-attributive. (an arrived train---)
But if you make a compound adjective out of them, they could be used attributively. (a recently-arrived train)
Get your rules straight, you stupid participles.
I guess most of those with an active meaning are from intransitive verbs.
 
5:08 PM
@MetaEd For all in tents and purposes.
@Færd Many times over.
 
@Mitch arrrrrrr.
 
Forgot to say I wasn't talking about present participles.
@MetaEd Aern't they called pegs?
 
@Færd I don't know, let's take a pole.
 
bars the pole
There's tent stakes too, apparently.
 
@Færd bars the door
That was Katy closing the barn door
She couldn't hit the broad side of it
from that dist
 
 
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6:42 PM
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Q: What term describes pretending outrage to escape a conversation?

JimI'm looking for a term that describes when a person is pretending to be offended in order to end a confrontation. The key here is that the offense is perceived only because the person wishes to use it as leverage to leave the discussion. Below is a poor example, but it's the best generic one I c...

 
7:03 PM
Okay lovely people, challenge time!
1:55-2:10.
Transcribe that.
 
7:29 PM
> There is freedom of speech, but I cannot guarantee freedom after speech.
> The key is not to prioritize what's on your schedule, but to schedule your priorities.
 
@RegDwigнt I'm still resting on my laurels.
 
7:51 PM
Judge me when you are perfect
since there is no one perfect then no one can judge you
 
8:01 PM
@Færd Spain got lucky
@MetaEd I'm still resting on my yanni
 
 
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9:44 PM
@Færd Yes, participles are quite flexible.
@Færd I'm not sure I understand this analysis.
 
10:18 PM
@Mitch Fair enough.
 
10:30 PM
@Mitch Didn't they?! It was an honorable loss for us, I would say.
We did too a couple times, to be fair. But after the only goal was scored we owned the game. But we didn't win the game.
There's still Portugal.
@Cerberus Consider this sentence:
> Dance your way round the floor with the mop to keep you from thinking too much.
Do you still find the infinitive felicitous?
If not, why?
BTW, men and women watched the game tonight in the Azadi (=freedom) Stadium TOGETHER.
It may sound pointless and stupid to you, but this is the first time in decades that everyone have sat together in a football stadium free of segregational regulations.
 
11:05 PM
@Færd That's nice!
Was there any special new law or rule in force?
Or was it just subtly indicated that this should be possible?
I'm glad Iran is at least immune to the poison from Saudi Arabia / the Emirates.
Saudi Arabia itself seems to be experiencing the beginning of a thaw, but it's still spreading its filth around the world.
@Færd Well, I don't what the sentence should mean exactly, but the infinite can be construed in two valid ways.
As an adjunct, an adverbial phrase of purpose to the entire praedicate; or as an attribute of the mop.
The former would make the most sense.
 
11:31 PM
@Cerberus Yes, but unless some conditions are fulfilled, using the infinitive as "an adverbial phrase of purpose to the entire praedicate" would be infelicitous, if not wrong.
One of those conditions is that the subject of the infinitive be the same as the subject of the main predicate.
Compare:
> You should work to support your mother.
> You should work to keep you healthy.
The second one is just off, isn't it?
There may be other conditions.
@Cerberus I'm not aware of any official law that would prevent women from entering public places of entertainment. Women go to concerts and cinemas and theaters along with men.
That they mustn't go to sports venues with men started from some religious leaders considering it inadvisable, because men too much abuse would be flying around and that would be a disrespect to those women.
Or something like that. I believe it started from a stupid argument like that.
And then it got out of hand and turned into this contested controversial problem and everyone started to draw battle lines.
 
@Færd The problem in (2.) is that the object of the infinitive (you) is the same as the subject of the main clause, in which case I would write yourself.
So I suppose, yes, yourself would be an improvement in the original sentence as well.
Maybe it's not grammatical, but it's less conspicuous because there is more space in between?
@Færd When did that happen? And were women no longer allowed to attend matches together with men from that time onwards?
 

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