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Q: Another word for this state of mind

ty.Whenever you expect a negative result/outcome but still are disappointed when it happens.

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RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
@Robusto Trump no. Thank Trump.
Mark next year for that one.
And thank you.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mitch Well, not exactly. It's not "big difference or none": it's "older more religious, or younger more religious, or no difference".
Orange, blue, and grey, respectively.
@Mitch Well, it's not universal, as you see!
And within communities rather than countries, you will see many more exceptions.
 
 
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1:53 AM
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Q: Anyone know that word for the opposite of racism?

Michael JensenLast week, I was on a political group on FB and someone mentioned this word. When I looked it up, it s definitions indicated it was the opposite of racism. The word means, in simple terms, that "Person A feels racially inferior to Person B and perhaps even wants to be the race of Person B". It st...

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Robusto
Robusto
2:04 AM
@RegDwigнt So I listened to "The Swamp" ... very melancholy, that, but haunting. Well, it's a Russian poem, right? I wish I could hear it on human instruments instead of a synth. If I could print it out I would play it on the piano. The synth makes such poor articulation, and the fermatas all sound strained in a way no human player would ever do.
Harmonically, the only thing that sounded a bit off to my ear was measure 37, where you outline the C7 chord in the left hand (2nd violin). I wonder if it's the progression that bothers me. Maybe an escape tone there? Start with the C, up a fifth, up a fourth, then down a semitone to land on the B? Just a thought ... but when I play it on the piano it sounds better that way to my ear.
Hey, @JohanLarsson! No lurking in chat!
And why are you still up?
 
 
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4:01 AM
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5:18 AM
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Q: Word for status of an invoice

user1383058This may be more of an accounting question, but I am looking to create invoice statuses as follow: Paid Unpaid In progress "In progress" means that the invoice isn't final because we're in the middle of a month and it's a running total. For example, on day 15 (of the month) the billing line i...

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Johan Larsson
Johan Larsson
5:34 AM
@Robusto Sorry, I was sleeping, maybe phone was lurking.
 
 
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7:20 AM
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Educ
Educ
8:47 AM
@Færd Yes it's in regional colloquial :), cool you enjoyed it
Hi everyone
Eid Mubarak
 
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9:24 AM
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10:32 AM
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Q: Is there a single word meaning "convivial, jovial" but in a way which is not pleasant to others?

Honza ZidekIs there a single word with the meaning of convivial, jovial but in a way which is not pleasant to others? Like people who bother you with their conviviality, who keep offering you drinks to share their merriness, throw their stupid jokes on you constantly not seeing that they are the only ones w...

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Færd
Færd
12:16 PM
@Cerberus I think the problem is most serious worldwide, since:
So we can't conclude from this study that we're getting less religious globally.
 
terdon
terdon
12:34 PM
@Færd Sigh. And Greece is the most religious of European countries according to that. We even beat the US!
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
12:51 PM
@Færd Yes, but the fastest growing countries are still far smaller than the most irreligious countries, so we can hope that they will have become less religious by then.
There is time. We can also hope that they stop growing so fast.
@terdon So I had noticed, how odd!
 
terdon
terdon
@Cerberus I wish it were. Sadly, it isn't odd at all.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@terdon But I presume it is still declining?
 
terdon
terdon
1:08 PM
One would hope
But very likely rising the past few years as such things often do during periods of crisis.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Possibly.
One of those Pew articles (linked from Faerd's article) said a modest increase in religiosity could often be observed after a crisis.
But it wasn't large, and it was rather local.
But in the long run, I would expect Greece to become less religious like most countries?
 
Mitch
Mitch
1:35 PM
@terdon You go Greece!
@Cerberus Hard to tell since the chart doesn't show relative population. China should sway the conclusion considerably. But then India, which is not pointed out on that chart, I'm fairly certain is very high on the chart and so might cancel out China.
@Cerberus I thought the most telling correlation was with how developed the nation is.
Just like birth rate.
(where US is the usual outlier in both)
More education, better health care, longer life span, fewer children, fewer leprechauns
 
terdon
terdon
@Mitch Aye. Full speed behind.
@Cerberus Dunno. A very large part of modern Greece's national identity is built around the idea of Greek Orthodoxy. A rise in nationalism, as we're experiencing today, will therefore often be acompanied by a rise in religious feeling. Or, at least, lip service paid to is.
 
Mitch
Mitch
1:56 PM
@terdon A similar thing could be said about Israel. Ostensibly it sounds like a religious state, but that is a red herring, it is simply an ethnic state. Note how low it is on the chart. Though it does have a hyperreligious sub population that is strong politically, it is a small percentage and most Israelis are non-observant.
 
terdon
terdon
@Mitch Hmm, that is odd. Perhaps because Jews are a clearer ethnic group? I mean, the national myth of modern Greece is mostly based on i) the (silly) idea that modern Greeks are the descendants of Ancient Greeks and ii) Greek Orthodox. I don't think Greeks are particularly observant, only that their idea of national identity is very tightly connected to the national religion.
Perhaps that connection is less strong in Israel?
 
Mitch
Mitch
2:16 PM
@Educ Eid Mubarak!
What did you have for the last iftar?
 
Mitch
Mitch
2:27 PM
@terdon I think the story of the Jewish Diaspora and Holocaust and Aaliyah ('return') and oh yeah the entire Old Testament is pretty strong, not just for Jews, but for the entire Christian world. But religion? I'm not sure that Judaism is a state sponsored national official religion in Israel. (for counterpart, both the Lutheran and Catholic churches are state supported in Germany, but they're as religious as a bachelor party in Vegas)
I think the idea of religion is strongly connected to identity in Israel, out in an abstract 'but I never actually go to church' sort of way.
 
terdon
terdon
Perhaps. I admit I don't have any idea.
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
Apparently these discussions happen when I'm not here.
And away again.
@Mitch Israel is the world's only Jewish state. Probably the only one in history. So I think that, yes,
> Judaism is a state sponsored national official religion in Israel.
But that shouldn't be hard to check.
 
terdon
terdon
:45176582 I deleted that. While I happen to agree with that stance, it isn't one that is universally accepted and you did express it in a way that can be taken as inflammatory.
Also, according to WP:
> Israel has no official religion,[362][363][364] but the definition of the state as "Jewish and democratic" creates a strong connection with Judaism, as well as a conflict between state law and religious law. Interaction between the political parties keeps the balance between state and religion largely as it existed during the British Mandate.[365]
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
3:12 PM
@terdon It's just a factual statement, imo. But I don't have a problem with you deleting it.
 
Educ
Educ
@Mitch Thank you :), for my last Iftar not much just milk with a little bit of coffee and vegetables roasted in Oven. ( Vegetables = onion, potato, hot peppers, and green peppers ) for the Salad: Small Tomatoes and Lettuce.
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
@terdon That's strange and surprising. So a Jewish state with no "official religion"?
 
Educ
Educ
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
Well, it's a strange world. But we all already know that.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@FaheemMitha So I take it that it has been checked and found to be wrong? The german example didn't convince you? What about... Greece, Armenia, Sri Lanka, The Vatican, etc?
@Educ I had the impression that the last iftar was a big feast, more than all the every day iftars. Is that not the case in general?
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
3:15 PM
@Mitch Sorry, I'm not following, but I'm stressed and short on sleep.
Feel free to expand if you wish. And away again.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@FaheemMitha It's ethnic. The confusion is that the word for the ethnicity is the same as the word for the religion. Everybody everywhere makes the same mistake of confusing the two things. Very easy to do.
 
Educ
Educ
@Mitch nope since we don't know exactly when it's going to be the last Iftar (last day of Ramadan ) since Ramadan can either be 30 days or be only 29 days so we make Iftar like every day in Ramadan.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@FaheemMitha There are lots of countries that are (mostly) mono-ethnic and mono-religious and the only one of their kind. That's what the list is for, counterexamples to your hypothesis.
 
Educ
Educ
@Mitch and for Eid celebration, we make Iftar with cookies, cake and stuff like that.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Educ nice.
 
Educ
Educ
3:22 PM
@Mitch congratulation for hosting the cup of world 2026
 
Mitch
Mitch
Thanks...I can't take all the credit
 
Educ
Educ
I don't know how my country would like to compete yours to win hosting of cup of world
 
Mitch
Mitch
Does the World cup include women's soccer?
 
Educ
Educ
I don't know I don't know much about soccer
 
Mitch
Mitch
If so, we will crush every last country in the world and declare interstellar domination!
@Educ I think I know less.
 
MetaEd
MetaEd
3:23 PM
@Educ I like soccer because the players use their heads.
 
Educ
Educ
the bug still appear
 
Mitch
Mitch
Like for example, I didn't know that we were going to be hosts in 2026
 
Educ
Educ
@Mitch haha yes :)
 
Mitch
Mitch
@MetaEd oh dad jokes? You're on!
 
Educ
Educ
@MetaEd :p
 
MetaEd
MetaEd
3:25 PM
@Mitch Sock it to me.
 
Mitch
Mitch
I want to bet on Egypt to win the World Cup this year, but I'm worried it's a pyramid scheme
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mitch You're right that it isn't entirely clear which way India is developing.
Currently, they're in a bit of a nationalist-religious fit.
But I suspect India will become less religious as it gets more prosperous and better educated.
 
Mitch
Mitch
A funeral director tried to sell me a coffin but I told him that's the last thing I need
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
As in, less fanatical. Like cultural Catholics, eventually (who are not really practising or believing any more but still keeping up traditions).
 
Educ
Educ
by the way is electronic diversity visa lottery usa still for next year ?
 
Mitch
Mitch
3:29 PM
@Cerberus I think there are a couple believers left.
But not in Ireland!
 
Educ
Educ
I would like to try my chance to get green card
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mitch Yes, and Greece has been getting richer and better educated over the past century or longer, and it will continue to improve.
@Mitch Poland!
@terdon Right! I feel that this is happening in several other countries as well. E.g. India, some Muslim countries, Russia, Poland.
@Mitch That is rapidly changing: orthodox Jews are growing exponentially.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Educ I haven't heard. The news in the US is depressing about immigration. The one place which advertises how great it is to emigrate to is now having terrible practically human rights violation type crimes for southern border immigrants.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
They are beginning to take over important sectors of society, such as the army and parliament.
In addition, you can only marry religiously in Israel, I believe; a rabbi has to give you permission if you are Jewish.
So it's not entirely unreligious.
 
Educ
Educ
@Mitch Yes I see
 
Mitch
Mitch
3:33 PM
@Cerberus Really? Yes, they have the highest birth rate in Israel (of Jews) but I've heard that Israeli Arabs and Palestinians with Israeli citizenship at roughly a 1/5 of the population are growing faster.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@terdon ...But not for long!
@Mitch I think their rates should be similar?
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus Take over? THere's always been an ultra-orthodox party, but I find it hard to believe that they're becoming more popular, much less taking over
 
Educ
Educ
@Mitch you should to talk to the web engineer to fix this bug for once
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus Yes, I think that is Israeli law. But it's a religiously sanctioned marriage not just Jewish religion sanctioned. I.e. you can get a Christian marriage, Muslim, Bahai, or whatever, it just can't be an atheist wedding. (probably allows flying spaghetti monster wedings).
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mitch They have not yet taken over, but they have been in government for the past couple of terms. Their political parties are growing.
Hmm I want more figures about the past.
 
Mitch
Mitch
3:39 PM
I mean there are some things the Israeli government does that is just for Jews (like IDF inscription; Israeli Arabs don't have to join (they can if they want) but Jews have to join) but mostly the laws are secular.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
But I've read several times about how orthodox Jews are growing rapidly in Israel.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus yeah and it's missing 2019, and those are almost all projections!
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mitch But you can't marry without the assent of a rabbi if you're an ordinary Jew in Israel, right?
 
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Q: What is a word that means "not ashamed"?

AndrewFor example, the sentence "I am not ashamed of my past". "Indifferent to" sounds too passive, "proud of" sounds too strong. Any ideas?

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Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus it's all about comparison. not surprised that they're growing, even rapidly, but needs to be compared with other groups.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
3:41 PM
 
Mitch
Mitch
aliyah is slowing down, they've been accepting lots of immigrants lately that have thin connection to being Jewish (Russian/Ukrainian with vaguely Germanic last names).
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
> +972 Magazine is a blog-based web magazine that is jointly owned by a group of journalists, bloggers and photographers whose goal is to provide fresh, original, on-the-ground reporting and analysis of events in Israel and Palestine. Our collective is committed to human rights and freedom of information, and we oppose the occupation. However, +972 Magazine does not represent any organization, political party or specific agenda.

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> Ami Kaufman was chief night editor for Haaretz, for the prominent Israeli financial daily Calcalist, and correspondent on Israeli affairs for 93.6 RAM FM, a joint Palestinian-Israel radio station.
(Where that picture is from. Seems at least somewhat reliable.)
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Educ You should post yourself on meta.SE and request it be a bug-fix
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mitch Hmm because people no longer want to move there?
 
Educ
Educ
@Mitch AH okay
 
Mitch
Mitch
3:44 PM
@Cerberus You can get a Christian marriage if you want, even if you are ethnically Jewish.
or you do what many secular Jews do and have a vacation wedding in nearby Cyprus.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Hmm.
Still, that doesn't sounds entirely irreligious for a state.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus I think fig 10 supports your claim.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
As to orthodox children, you can see that they have more children than Arabs in the figure above.
Right.
I haven't been able to find any other clear statistics quickly.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus Yeah. I think most anybody in the diaspora would have gone already (I did hear that after one of the bombings in France, there was a slight uptick from France to Israel but that's a vague memory)
@Cerberus I'm just pointing out that it is not just about Judaism.
 
Educ
Educ
@Mitch Please check this : For the last couple days, I've been experienced bug in the English Chat room using google chrome. Would you please fix this bug it's very annoying
 
Mitch
Mitch
3:48 PM
and if it were just for Jews, it would be weird (as in maybe an international law violation)
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
I think in the case of Israel, it's not so easy to separate religion and ethnicity.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Educ "For the last couple of days, I've been experienc_ing_ a bug in the ELU chat room using Google Chrome. Would you please fix this bug? it's very annoying"
and you need to explain the bug in words, and give screenshots
@Cerberus It's not a bijection. It's complicated.
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
@Mitch I see. Thank you for the clarification.
 
Mitch
Mitch
If you're Jewish (religion) then you're almost guaranteed to be Jewish (ethnic), but there are lots of people who convert when the spouse is Jewish (ethnic and religious)
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Almost, but not quite!
I work for a Jewish newspaper/magazine, whose chief editor converted when she was an adult.
 
Mitch
Mitch
3:54 PM
(i'm sure the people at Mi Yodeya would have a more accurate picture though)
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
@Mitch Yes, I see. Fair point. But Israel is such a special case, I just assumed. Most countries weren't founded by invading and stealing the land from the current inhabitants. At least not in recorded history. <Shrug.>
I guess this is another candidate for deletion. :-)
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@FaheemMitha I think the land was mostly bought.
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
I suppose the lesson here, is, don't assume things. You'd think by my time of life, I'd have figured it out.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
A good lesson.
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
@Cerberus 6 or 7%, from what I heard.
That should be checkable as well.
 
Mitch
Mitch
3:56 PM
@Cerberus That is possible but not as common. They don't proselytize, and they actually discourage people (it's like a checkoff sheet, you supposed to ask three times before they allow you to go through the process)
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
I know.
I know quite a few Jews.
I think I know many more Jews and Muslims than I know Christians.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@FaheemMitha That's getting into the direction that @terdon didn't care for much. We could discuss it but I fear it might get too heated. But again with all arguments, there's the positive logical direction, but you need to consider the other direction. Most countries were founded with dubious situation.
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
But as far as I know, that was mostly not the case. Huge numbers of Palestinians fled when fighting broke out between the newly formed state of Israel and the neighboring Arab states. And that wouldn't have happened if the land had been purchased. Also, it's rather unlikely that most Palestinians would have been willing to sell their lands and move out. Just simple statistics. Try to go to any part of the world, and induce people to move en masse by offering to buy their property.
It wouldn't happen.
 
Mitch
Mitch
Except for Iceland. Those guys just landed on an empty island.
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
@Mitch Don't worry. I'm leaving again.
 
Mitch
Mitch
3:58 PM
...bring their Irish slaves!
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
And I've got nothing more to say. And it's not like any of this is new. Every sensible person on the planet has basically the same view of the state of Israel.
And I apologise to terdon if I'm making his job harder today.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@FaheemMitha 1. I believe that war broke out because Israel was attacked, not the other way around? 2. When a state buys your land, that doesn't necessarily mean that you can no longer use it: it can simply mean that you now live in another state.
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
@Cerberus 1 is correct, yes. I just said fighting broke out. 2. I don't think this happened. But it should not be hard to check. Like I said, the figure I heard was 6%.
Anyway, leaving now.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@FaheemMitha In a discussion, it helps if you make your point about a controversial subject using neutral terms. It also helps if you want to convince people.
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
@Cerberus It was just an offhand comment. And when it comes to Israel, I think it's a waste of time being polite.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
4:02 PM
But we are not Israel here. We are a discussion between intelligent people.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@FaheemMitha Yes, that part was a big problem. I think that you should also ascribe a lot of well-deserved blame to the British then. A lot of the land in pre 1948 Palestine was purchased by Jews. But driving out the Jordan-controlled Arabs was awful.
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
I certainly wasn't attempting to convince anyone. No doubt everyone already has their opinion already, and it unlikely to change it based on what some random person in a chat room says.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
How many Arabs were driven out, I wonder.
@FaheemMitha I think that is the wrong attitude.
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
@Mitch Oh, much of the blame goes to the British. But it's almost a tautology to say so.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
A discussion is about comparing opinions and facts, about convincing and being convinced, about finding the 'truth' together.
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
4:03 PM
They ran the world's leading criminal organization for over 2 centuries, and even today, seem rather proud of it. What more can you say about people like that?
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
One should keep those goals in mind.
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
@Cerberus That sounds very nice in theory.
 
Mitch
Mitch
Jun 29 '14 at 21:15, by Mitch
I blame the British
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
Anyway, really leaving now. Sorry about the disturbance and disruption, if any.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@FaheemMitha OK, that's going towards the deletable direction.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
4:05 PM
I don't think censorship is the answer.
@FaheemMitha Otherwise, why communicate at all?
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus Sure, but there is a reason there is a 'flag' option.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
It should be reserved for things that do actual harm to people, such as personal attacks, stalking, and spam.
Expressing an opinion in a weird way is grounds for ignoring the opinion or countering it with speech.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus I agree mostly, but 'criminal' and 'people like that' is in the attack direction.
@MetaEd Why did the blind man fall into the well?
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
It's not a personal attack on anyone present.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@MetaEd Because he couldn't see that well.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
4:09 PM
Censorship should only be applied when there is no other reasonable option.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus I'm not sure that is an exculpatory reason.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
And ignoring a chat line that has already scrolled out of the screens of laptop users is easy to do, so there's your other option.
Maybe if someone says the same weirdly worded thing several times over a period, and every time it causes a fight, then it would be serious enough (and unsolvable through other options) to be a candidate for censorship or punishment.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus I'm not sure that that's how people consider it. 'Out of sight out of mind' is not a thoughtful way of dealing with speech that is ... unlikeable.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
It is a great way.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus It may be a polite but short term way of avoiding confrontation
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
4:14 PM
It's also what we teach children: if you're unhappy with what some other child is doing, just walk away.
 
Mitch
Mitch
I see what you're saying about censorship and punishment, but I'm having difficulty with separating that and what it seems like is being done (or people copmlaining about it not being done) in related situations.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
What it seems like is being done?
 
Mitch
Mitch
That is, groups of workers at FB and google and such going through lots of 'bad' content and removing it.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Like the nipples?
 
Mitch
Mitch
??
I missed that.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
4:16 PM
Facebook censored this.
Because female nipples!
 
Mitch
Mitch
Oh. haha.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
So scary.
 
Mitch
Mitch
I don't know.
there's a continuum, and every culture chooses some threshold
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Mothers should be ordered to tape off their nipples while feeding their babies, lest the babies should be seriously harmed by seeing a female nipple.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus yeah that's idiotic
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
4:18 PM
@Mitch But religious cultures are more prone to censorship, I believe.
A tendency towards censorship can be part of a certain culture.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus There are some pretty racy bas reliefs on Hindu temples
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Yay.
 
Mitch
Mitch
haha
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Indeed, some religions are less censorious than others, or they censor different things; but, in general, the more primitive a (larger) culture, the more religion and censorship.
 
Mitch
Mitch
So there's a number of tribes running around the Amazonian forest...
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
4:20 PM
(The very most primitive cultures, which only consist of a village or two, may be less religious and censorious.)
 
Mitch
Mitch
and it's pretty warm there
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
And of course there are other factors.
 
Mitch
Mitch
and really there is very minimal clothing
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
And the Abrahamic cultures are, I believe, extra censorious.
Yes, I know the word censorious is usually not used this way, but, so what, censor me!
@Mitch Yay!
 
Mitch
Mitch
and when I say minimal, they wear something but it's supposedly not what most people would consider any kind of covering
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
4:21 PM
I believe penis tubes are only worn on New Guinea?
 
Mitch
Mitch
and the dudes wear this thing like a jock strap, but really ll it is is a thin leather string that keeps your penis from flopping while you run
so really it's hardly anything at all
and (there's a point to all this)
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
What was the Early-Modern (English?) fashion called again where they had their penes strapped to the side?
 
Mitch
Mitch
and to us they are naked
 
Educ
Educ
0
Q: Bug in the ELU chat room

EducFor the last couple of days, I've been experiencing a bug in the ELU chat room using Google Chrome. Would you please fix this bug? it's very annoying

bug
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Well, good for them?
 
Mitch
Mitch
4:23 PM
but to them, it's really embarrassing to be seen without the little strap
really embarrassing, like they're totally naked (or rather actually for real naked to us)
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Educ You don't explain what the bug is. I think you should do that if you have any hope that someone should do something about it.
 
Mitch
Mitch
the whole point is that they have a threshold too
 
Educ
Educ
@Cerberus Yes I'm thinking how to do that by good english
 
Mitch
Mitch
How dare you run around without your penis strap!
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mitch But maybe to them nakedness is less of an issue than for e.g. a Dutchman, let alone an American.
 
bertieb
bertieb
4:25 PM
Isn't SE chat pretty much on maintenance mode?
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mitch Yes, I believe it.
 
Educ
Educ
@Cerberus they can't understand from the pictures that I added it
?
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Nobody can.
You're forcing them to think and ponder, what exactly does he mean?
You're making them do the work of trying to explain your issue.
But the work should be yours.
 
Educ
Educ
okay I will
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
It doesn't need to be perfect English.
As long as it is clear.
Use punctuation!!!
Comma's.
 
Educ
Educ
4:27 PM
Yes I see I will try to explain it
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
And make short sentences.
And use capitals.
 
Educ
Educ
In other words use Grammar :p
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Maybe you can't write in perfect English (who can?), but you can use comma's, make short sentences, and use capitals.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus 'Uncomfortable'?
 
Educ
Educ
@Cerberus Yes, I can do that.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
4:28 PM
That's my personal advice to you, based on what I've seen from your in chat. It is the easiest way for you to make progress, I think, and I know you are able to do those things!
@Mitch No, I think it was named after some duke.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus I'd never heard of it. Is it what the Romans saw when they first came over with Caesar?
 
Educ
Educ
@Cerberus Thank you very much. I really appreciated your advice.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
> The origin of this piercing is unknown. Many theories suggest that the piercing was used to secure the penis in some manner, rather than having a sexual or cultural purpose.[4]

In modern times, the Prince Albert piercing was popularized by Jim Ward in the early 1970s.[15] In West Hollywood, Ward met Richard Simonton (aka Doug Malloy) and Fakir Musafar. Together, these men further developed the Prince Albert piercing. Malloy published a pamphlet in which he concocted fanciful histories of genital piercings in particular.[16] These apocryphal tales—which included the notion that Albert, th…
@Educ Good luck! And those are nice, short, punctuated, capitalised sentences you have there!
@Mitch Hah. It may be a myth anyway (see above).
> “It found that only 46 percent of Israeli Jews now define themselves as secular, down from 52 percent in 1999, while 22 percent define themselves as either Orthodox or ultra-Orthodox, up from 16 percent in 1999. The remaining 32 percent term themselves traditional, virtually unchanged from 1999.”

…The study’s authors cited two reasons for the rise in religiosity. One is that immigrants from the former Soviet Union, who contributed to the drop in religiosity from 1991 to 1999, have now assimilated into Israeli society. Various studies have found that this process of assimilation has r…
From a Haaretz survey.
Look, most children in Israel are already ultra-Orthodox or Arab.
> “The study also found that 70 percent of respondents believe the Jews are the “Chosen People,” 65 percent believe the Torah and mitzvot (religious commandments ) are God-given, and 56 percent believe in life after death… Among other things, it found that less than half of Israeli Jews think that, in a clash between Jewish law and democracy, democratic values should always prevail.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@MetaEd "I am so good at sleeping I can do it with both of my eyes closed"
None of these that I've said have been original.
@Cerberus wow that is crazy (the haredim tend to be, strangely enough, anti-intellectual, or at least not Enlightenment intellectual. They can read the Torah all day though)
 
Educ
Educ
4:44 PM
From time to time when I was chatting in ELU a big space appears after the previous conversation which means the chat moved to the top of the screen and left big space between them and the place where I can write my chat.
In addition, I can scroll up to see more of the previous conversation also I can scroll down to hide that big space.
 
Mitch
Mitch
Feb 28 '15 at 21:38, by Mitch
Why does a flamingo stand on one leg?
@MetaEd
Feb 28 '15 at 21:38, by Mitch
Because if he picked it up he'd fall down.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mitch Yes, the country is changing fast.
@Educ OK that is fairly clear. Now add punctuation: comma's are your friends!
I have experienced a similar issue for many years now, in Firefox.
So I think it's not new!
And I haven't experienced it much more often recently.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus I have no commas... sigh
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
You should, like this.
 
Educ
Educ
@Cerberus I'm glad that I could express my self
 
MetaEd
MetaEd
5:28 PM
@Mitch I know a good time travel joke but you didn't think it was funny.
I picked up a hitchhiker today. He asked me how I could be sure he wasn't a serial killer. I told him the chances were astronomical for there to be two serial killers in the same car.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
5:54 PM
How do you know it's not going to be 13 again in the next roulette round? — Chances are astronomically small for it to be 13 twice in a row.
I think you realise the error!
 
Mitch
Mitch
> Did you hear about the dwarf psychic who escaped from prison recently? Everyone has been going crazy about the small medium at large.
 
KannE
KannE
6:53 PM
@Cerberus Not how we group ourselves (not first-person), how others 'group' us (third-person)...totally different matter. For example, take a real one: Two full siblings of mixed heritage, a brother and a sister, but by all appearances--"spitting images"--a miniature set of their parents. So, why would a boy (in the 2nd grade) be well aware of a word (like his mother was), while his sister (in the 5th grade) had never even heard of it? Answer: She was an absolute delight at all times. And lucky.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
I'm afraid I don't follow.
To me, the only socially relevant groups are those the children form themselves.
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
7:31 PM
@Mitch Seriously? Now we're worried about the feelings of the supporters of the "British Empire"?
@Cerberus Weird?
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
@Robusto the thing with that chord is that on both the guitar and the piano you just play the chord. You can arpeggiate it just a little bit, but really the C and B both sound at the same time, giving it that typical open maj7 quality.
On a single violin that's just not feasible, but I still wanted to get that feel across so for the three times that the chord comes up I tried sneaking in the B in three different ways. Out of those I'd actually say measure 37 pleased me the most. I like how the stupid synthesizer lets the B ring on after the E in the melody has faded out, and the C has been forgotten. A lovely dissonance that sorta resolves itself but not really. Totally unplanned on my part, and not how I'd usually play it.
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
@Mitch "criminal" is just a factual statement. Calling a spade a spade.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
But yeah, basically on the piano, throw away the second staff, use the fake book. That's why I wrote down the chords in the first place.
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
Would "successful criminal" be better, perhaps?
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
And obviously all the repeated notes sound horrible unless you sing them. Same as with Aura Lea or any song with repeated notes. You give it to a singer, you don't even notice it. You give it to a synthesizer, it's like WTF is that shit.
Every note will sound different when actually sung, or played by a human. But these fucking computers, man. Like, the day before my BD I actually had a lesson, so I gave my opus to my teacher, a symphony orchestra player. She sight-read it and nailed it on the first try. Can't say the same about stupid computers.
Same with the fermatas. Go explain that to a robot.
Or this thing I'm transcribing for two violins right now:
Yeah go reduce that for two violins. Good luck, me.
Actually @Cerberus will like that one. I know he's totally into that kind of music but he's extremely unlikely to know this one.
 
KannE
KannE
7:44 PM
@Cerberus Exactly. But sometimes children are 'forced' into a group--here, for example, if you live in a 'bad' neighborhood because you're poor, you must accept the well-known fact that there is no difference between being poor and being criminal when it comes to EMT response time. Your child will have to wait until law enforcement clears the area (at least 15-20 min usually). That's why some people don't bother calling 911 and just head straight to the ER. That explains that one.
 
KannE
KannE
8:03 PM
Trying to understand why someone does something you wouldn't do--always key, I think, a great place to start.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@FaheemMitha Which leading criminal organization are you referring to to they led?
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
@Mitch The so-called "British Empire", of course. Is that a serious question?
 
KannE
KannE
@Mitch Not what I'm referring to, I'm responding to attempts to subjugate people, off-topic (in a sense), never mind.
 
Færd
Færd
@Cerberus How dare you man. I mean, I almost had an orgasm.
@Cerberus Why the apostrophe?
 
Mitch
Mitch
8:25 PM
@FaheemMitha We were talking about Jews and Israel but I entioned the British Empire as a possible cause of the 1948 problems. Who are these criminals running the British Empire that you're referring to? Are you talking about the House of Windsor?
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
@Mitch The British Empire was the criminal organization. By definition. I'm sorry, I don't understand what you are asking.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@KannE oh then we were having very different conversations then.
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
Oh, the people running the BE are, again, by definition, the criminals running the BE.
Which seems a little tautological, but there it is.
If you are looking for names, just look up the names of highly ranked British officials in the last few hundred years.
Particularly in colonial contexts.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@FaheemMitha It's not often I hear the British Empire referred to using the term criminal; lots of other words for bad behavior yes, but criminal no. Since we were discussing Israel and Jews, I thought you were saying the Jews (for two hundred years) were leading a criminal organization and it was unclear which of these organization you were saying they led.
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
@Mitch I find it very surprising that anyone would describe the British Empire as anything but that. But the British are uncommonly good at whitewashing themselves. There isn't a lot of literature about them, but I'd be happy to point you to a few that you can check out. None of which were written by British historians.
@Mitch No, I wasn't talking about the Jews or Israel. Sorry about the confusion.
 
MetaEd
MetaEd
8:43 PM
@Cerberus Certainly.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@FaheemMitha The whole British relationship with the US has had its ups and downs but mostly worked out well (except for that whole slavery thing). As to the rest of their ...um... projects, as awful as they were, I'm just not used to the 'criminal' word being used for them.
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
@Mitch I recommend you do a little reading. I think criminal is polite. Swear words might be more appropriate.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@FaheemMitha But I have heard 'organization' used for Jews and so I wondered.
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
@Mitch Ok.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@FaheemMitha I don't think anything I've said shows lack of knowledge of the terrible things they've done.
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
8:47 PM
@Mitch Obviously, opinions vary. There are plenty of people, even today, who think that the "British Empire" was a laudable humanitarian civilizing mission.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@FaheemMitha 'well-intentioned' is the euphemism
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
@Mitch <Shrug.> Maybe you are working with a different definition of criminal than I am.
Theft, mass murder, and the destruction of entire civilizations seems to me to qualify for the criminal word.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@FaheemMitha different nuances. crimes against humanity works for me, but 'criminal' just doesn't sound right.
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
Again, I can point you to some relevant reading material.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@FaheemMitha Again you're assuming I don't know things
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
8:49 PM
@Mitch I'm not following your distinctions. But you are certainly entitled to them.
@Mitch I don't know what you know or don't know. It's merely an offer of recommendations.
 
Mitch
Mitch
This is ELU chat, where pedantic word connotations are what we really care about
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
@Mitch If you say so.
 
Mitch
Mitch
@FaheemMitha I could recommend many books to you about how to understand language.
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
@Mitch Please feel free to do so.
 
Mitch
Mitch
I'm kidding of course, just to make a point
Sure 'criminal' is a great metaphor, but when you first used it, I couldn't tell what organization you were referring to.
 
Feeds
Feeds
9:12 PM
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Q: A noun for someone who is shamelessly uncouth?

Alex ReinkingI'm looking for a noun to describe the people who behave in certain tacky / uncouth ways. In particular, I'm not looking for a classist/racist slur, but rather something to more generally describe people who do culturally inappropriate things like take phone calls in movie theaters, play loud mus...

single-word-requests american-english pejorative-language
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
9:47 PM
@FaheemMitha Criminal implies violating some specific law. Perhaps evil would be better.
@RegDwigнt I like! Despite the silly action film.
@Færd Is that bad?
@Færd Umm because typo?
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
@Cerberus Criminal means person or persons committing crimes. I think that's a perfectly suitable word. Evil is a bit too theological for my taste.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
That doesn't make sense to me but OK.
And I think 1001 historical empires and smaller states are jealous as they're not being called criminal.
 
MetaEd
MetaEd
10:03 PM
@Cerberus Being jealous is criminal. There, I think I've covered everybody. Let me know if there are any other laws you'd like declared.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
@MetaEd Does this article have a number?
 
KannE
KannE
@Mitch Sorry, I tend to be a very vague coward sometimes; I meant re: stereotyping--Mexican grandfathers are the best! Who else is going to keep vigil for months, constantly rubbing rosary beads and monitoring body temperature (highly irregular--multiple astrocytomas), because a kindergarten valedictorian said, "Pray I don't miss the 1st day of 1st grade," and he didn't...somehow? The answer--Nobody (IME, pediatric). Now that's what I call a good stereotype.
 
Mitch
Mitch
10:46 PM
@FaheemMitha Yeah, evil would have fit better for me.
@KannE No problemo, said the Spanish person imitating an Austrian robot from the future imitating an American who doesn't know Spanish.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
11:04 PM
@Cerberus it's actually a trilogy of action films. About four kids that become heroes in the time of the Russian Civil War. The first part came out in like 1962 and was so immensely popular that it spawned two sequels. And unlike many movies from the 60s and 70s they didn't age too terribly and were still occasionally screened in theatres 30 years later.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
OK.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
I know I watched the third one in a cinema. It was awesome. I loved those movies to bits as a kid. All children of all ages did, but especially young boys. It was the perfect mix of action and humour and quotable lines. And excellent music.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
Not my genre.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
I actually rewatched the first one like a month ago. Because I soundsliced the title song.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
I like it better now that it is for children.
 
RegDwigнt
RegDwigнt
11:06 PM
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
11:22 PM
Oops, I accidentally disappeared into random other videos.
 
MetaEd
MetaEd
11:47 PM
@Cerberus I magnanimously delegate the numbering of my excellent laws to others. Enumerate then as you see fit.
 
Cerberus
Cerberus
You are a saint.
 

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