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What the difference between noun clauses and clown noses?
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Q: What do you call someone who studies Russia?

Jaydan OsborneThis is my first post and I was wondering what do you call someone who studies Russia For a living like has an academic researcher or Scholar. A sentence would be I work has a -word-. Thanks in advance for any and all help.

3:47 AM
@tchrist The same difference between conditional sentences and condensational tenses.
4:22 AM
@Tonepoet Her language doesn't have to be identified as Valley speak.
The main features her poem shares with Valley speak has definitely not fallen into disuse (eg uptalk, discourse marker like, etc).
She's not defending those features: she's not talking up uptalk and like and whatever; she's only saying where they come from, and where she, using them, comes from (which has to do with the next point).
She's not so much arguing whether the old white dudes' objections were right, as arguing whether they have a right to object in that manner in the first place.
Q: Word for a poorly given or disorganized speech/lecture?

Kevint.Is there a word for a speech or lecture that is poorly given? Like the speaker is stuttering, disorganized, etc. A "prattle" or "witter" seems to be the closest, but they describe more a pointless or nonsensical speech. The speech is substantive, but delivered poorly. Thanks.

And better to be dismissively disrespectful than declaratively.
And, scorn? It's really more like irritation and indignation.
I suggest that you look at the whole thing from a whole different angle.
@Færd What do you suppose the difference between that and scorn is?
4:38 AM
@Tonepoet Well, I think scorn is what she attributes to those white old men. Irritation and indignation is effected by that scorn.
And for the record, none of these means that I agree with her point of view.
5:02 AM
@Færd Hmm, well, perhaps I am mistaken, but it's the specific combination of words which make me think of valley speak most particularly, more-so than anything considered in isolation, esp. in consideration of the fact that the video locates the poetry session as occurring in Oakland California, and the association of the words with females in particular.
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8:13 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected: what does "slash the odds of something" mean? by John Doe on english.SE
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9:45 AM
Q: Is there a word to describe someone because whom the plan fails always?

LazyIs there a single word for someone who keeps postponing or cancelling the plans?

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10:48 AM
What's the opposite of relatively? ie. when discussing the expenditure, you can talk about it relatively (percent of income) or you can talk about it as xxxx - simply a lower amount and not a percent or fraction.

11:43 AM
@Jdoh Relative vs total expenditure in that context. Otherwise, you have relative and absolute values.
11:58 AM
thanks. Absolute is the word I couldn't think of.
Q: Any word or phrase or idiom that describes a person who takes the pleasure from the misfortunes of others?

Sleeping On a Giant's ShoulderIs there any word or phrase or idiom that describes a person who takes the pleasure from the misfortunes of others?

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1:36 PM
Q: Word for hard-to-understand writing style

David KI am looking for a word that could be used to describe a writing style that uses lots of uncommon words, making the writing difficult to understand to the everyday reader. It's as if they make an effort to use words from their word-a-day calendar. Andrew's adjective writing style used so many...

2:07 PM
Q: Word request for a situation

user268902Term for someone who is strong in a opinion/opinions of his but is open minded enough not to stress it on others and is adjustable in nature. For example a person may be very racist but on meeting strangers never shows even a slight inclination over his opinion We can describe it as something lik...

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4:25 PM
@tchrist I call shenanigans on Schnappsidee. That should be expelled from the game. It's French!
4:50 PM
@tchrist This site needs a mountweazel.
@MetaEd I amuse myself by pronouncing that 'moun tweazel'
@Mitch That's Dipsacus to me and thee.
@tchrist It's a great story. I've heard it presented at DECUS. I assume by the original guy.
@MetaEd Boy it's been a long time since I last heard that word.
I'm thinking that Henry Spencer was still at utzoo then.
> Between 1981 and 1991, while running the zoology department's computer system at the University of Toronto, Spencer copied more than 2 million Usenet messages onto magnetic tapes. The 141 tapes wound up at the University of Western Ontario, where Google's Michael Schmidt tracked them down and, with the help of David Wiseman and others,[4] got them transferred onto disks and into Google's archives.
5:03 PM
And I haven't seen that name in quite awhile. I was just getting started as a pimply part-time computer operator in 1981.
Weren't we all?
No. Some of us were learning how to eat solids.
There are all sorts of these folks like Henry whom I used to hang out with several times a year for many years running two or three decades ago, but whom I now know nothing about the whereabouts of today. Every now and then I read that one of them has died before retirement age even.
I just learned that Boyd Roberts has died like a week or two ago.
5:46 PM
@terdon nice. Biking accident? Boxing ring mixup? Ah... you drank the water.
@Mitch Is that an obscure Tom Lehrer reference?
@terdon haha. no.
Aww, shucks
I used to have all of TL somewhere. even the Sesame Street ones.
now everything is on youtube for free
even albums under copyright get replaced quickly when removed
6:01 PM
@Mitch Wha_? That was a serious question. I bet you're the kind of person who put weird bumper sticker on his car.
everything except for good SpongeBob clips. They're either filmed off of TV by a camera or give a poop soundtrack
The kind of stickers that don't make sense
“The Dude Abides”
@Gigili That wasn't totally non-serious. Actually kind of true. But yes, I do read the ingredient labels on food. looking for junk. or aspartame. I hate aspartame (I don't like the aftertaste)
@Gigili How does that not make sense? That makes perfect sense!
Yeah, other than a reference to the movie
6:07 PM
@Gigili As to bumper stickers, no, I'm a firm believer in no bumper stickers at all (for myself). I don't mind them on other people's cars even though they can be a bit of a driving hazard.
@Gigili There are things other than movies?
@Mitch Yeah, like "If you can read this, despite the small size of the font and excessive length of the content, then I respectfully suggest you stop doing so AND KEEP YOUR EYES ON THE ROAD, you moron!"
@terdon Or "Famous Last Words: From that distance, their guns couldn't hit the broad side of a ba"
@Gigili Did you have a question or are seeking advice about ingredient lists on food?
Aspartame in enough quantities causes convulsions in rats.
I read that in a study
or rather I read about a study
@Mitch What does it mean when a product is fat-free? I bought this yogurt and it says fat-free on the label.
or rather I heard about an article talking about the study
or rather I'm remembering hearing about an article that mentioned the study
@Mitch Bumper stickers make highways more social.
6:12 PM
@Gigili It means that there should be 0% fat in it.
Which one might think is totally crazy (I do) because the whole point of yogurt is that is it aged milk which has a lot of fat in it.
@Mitch And it tastes sweet?
Haha! I meant to say "sugar-free"!
If people want that kind of thing then fine, let them go against all natural order, it's no skin off my nose. or rather no fat off my ass.
I'm rather svelte is all I'm trying to say
@Gigili Oh.
Let me take back a number of things I've been saying then
No take-backs in this chat.
@Gigili yes. absolutely no glucose/fructose/sucrose/dextrose/lactose/et ceterose
Anyway, fat/sugar-free is nonsense.
6:15 PM
but they make it taste sweet with artificial sweeteners.
Today's lesson for you.
@Mitch So it's not sugar-free.
> Question: Why do people accept wrong spellings?

Answer: ♬ Because normitive edgication ain't what it used to be, ♬ ain't wah tit use ta be, ♬ ain't wuh tit useta bee. 𝅂 𝅂 𝅂 𝅂
@Mitch Yeah, right. No carbohydrates, no lipids. How exactly does that fit the definition of "food"?
like saccharine, which causes cancer in rats. or aspartame, which causes convulsions in rats. or levulose, which is left-handed glucose (destrose is right handed), which means it tastes sweet in exactly the same way as dextrose, but is not metabolized (much?) like dextrose.
Please never sack a wren.
6:17 PM
@Gigili ?? It is totaly sugar-free. there are things that are sweet that are not sugar.
All that gutters is not gold
All that is sweet does not twitter.
All of that is not covered in your philosophy
Not all that darkens is toast.
Some other mangled Shakespearean quote that purports to be a deep reflection on life but on half reflection is totally obvious.
Some mice there are who do flitter.
You don't have to spell write to poast.
6:21 PM
@Mitch I'm not listening
I just don't like doubling a final C instead of making it CK upon inflection: PICNICCED, PANICCING.
Why do people do that?
At one time it was that fat has to be avoided at all costs, now it seems to go towards sugar.
It's like when they write HOLYS not HOLIES; it's like they just don't know the Ancient Rule.
@tchrist Whoa. What? People do that?
Baked into a corner, there was nothing left to due.
6:25 PM
@Gigili both are separate trends
@Mitch Ever had to write up a specification?
How long did it take you to get that specked out?
Too much sugar makes you gain weight (converted to fat). Too much fat is bad for your heart.
People don't write that. They write specced out. It's gross.
or is it cholesterol?
anyway food will kill you
@tchrist yeah. gross.
what should you do instead?
I'd write specked the way I say it.
And I do.
It annoys people as much as they annoy me.
I don't understand why we even bother.
6:29 PM
other people are totally annoying
To pretend to educate.
it's when you annoy yourself that it gets complicated
Bivouacked not bivouacced god damn it.
@tchrist sometimes, when things are arbitrary, someone has to decide.
Partiers not partyers god damn it.
@Mitch It isn't arbitrary. There are rules. English spelling is NOT random and arbitrary. That's why monosyllables ending in phonemic /k/ are spelled -ck if the vowel is short and -ke if the vowel is long.
These signals MEAN something.
Throw them away and destroy meaning.
back and bake. stack and stake. rack and rake.
speck and speak.
"spec" is a problem.
It "should" be spelled with a K to start with, and it MUST be spelled with a K when the inflection has an E or I following.
We just don't make works like that in English.
Or at least, we don't spell them that way.
People have forgotten all the reasons.
It's nick not nic.
It's truck not truc.
It's lock not loc.
6:36 PM
it's mike and mic :p
But now we have specced everywhere and it sucks as bad as waiving our rites.
I guess maybe it should be speç with a cedille, since specify has an /s/ sound there.
Spelling pronunciations, sigh.
@MattE.Эллен Nother head spinner that one.
talc and talk are another problem
talcking powder it should be
But rarely is.
But you don't want to make it look like talking powder.
talcum powder
It's hard to represent /tælk/ in spelling that doesn't look like /talk/.
You know what?
Some/many/most? folks have the vowel from LET in talcum.
Seems easer than the vowel from HAM there.
You talk em we walk em.
No that's some courthouse drama.
This would all be so much easier if we were all illiterate.
6:47 PM
@terdon I was learning to drink coffee.
No letters means no spelling problems.
@tchrist I'm completely out of touch from that time. Except every year or so I get a comment on a Youtube video of a song I performed at DECUS.
A coworker reports that he remembers me playing piano at LISA like 25 years ago. I have no memory of that, or of him then.
I'm often embarrassed when people remember me but not me them.
I've got used to the fact that I have a terrible memory.
My problem is that I keep forgetting even that.
6:58 PM
@Mitch No, no, not water. You're thinking of Kool-Aid.
@tchrist Ha!
@tchrist Piano huh. We need an excuse to form a pickup band.
on the internet noöne knows you're a pickup truck
@tchrist I think I don't know Boyd Roberts.
> "I hate programs that chdir." —Boyd Roberts
> Unix has retarded OS research by 10 years and linux has retarded it by 20.

— Dennis Ritchie as quoted by by Boyd Roberts in 9fans.
> 4.11 Does rc have ... built in?

It is not by accident that rc has fewer built-in commands than
most shells other than the original Bourne shell. The
underlying philosophy, eloquently summarized by Boyd Roberts, is
that a shell is there to run other programs, not to have other
programs built into it. By having a well-defined role, rc has
remained small and simple, properties that lead to better
performance, fewer bugs, and a more thorough understanding of
the shell by its users.
"A shell is there to run other programs, not to have programs built into it." I like that.
That's why many of us hated it when David Korn rammed ksh into the POSIX.2 standard.
@MetaEd Yes.
7:06 PM
@MetaEd I drink Kool-aid all the time. It's just funny colored sugar water @Gigili which you can get sugar-free.
"I'll have red-flavored Kool-aid please"
That must be rc from Plan 9. I've installed Plan 9 but never really got the hang of it.
Can I use rock-climb as a verb? "I was rock climbing"
@Curio Sure.
"The hotels which I would like to stay are all very expensive". Do I have to add "in" behind which or it isn't necessary?
7:17 PM
@Curio You want an s after hotel, an in after stay and no which.
> The hotels I would like to stay in are all very expensive.
Oh sorry, typing error
But if I have to use which, can I create that sentence?
If you must, you could say something like The hotels in which I would like to stay are all very expensive. But don't. It's convoluted and unnecessary.
Can't I say "The hotels which I would like to stay in"?
But you'd need an in on one side or the other.
Or at. But something needs to be there otherwise it is the hotels that are staying. And they don't tend to move much.
similarly with "the hotels I'd like to roll over [in]"
7:26 PM
Okay, thanks
7:47 PM
@MattE.Эллен What does that mean?
@terdon maybe you're trying to keep the hotel from swaying in the wind. Those are the hotels you would like to stay.
Ah. An example. Like "the hotels I'd like to wash vs. wash in"
@MetaEd Maybe you'd like to be residing in the hotel and yourself personally roll over (maybe you want to stop snoring)
"clean rest rooms"
or maybe that hotel really needs to have some decoration changes so you would roll it over.
7:49 PM
Can I say "Aside from jokes, let's talk seriously"?
@Mitch Spay?
@Curio There is an idiom in American English, "All joking aside"
Might be more what you are looking for.
Are you putting all these sentences into one paragraph? "I was rock climbing, and the hotels I would like to stay in are all very expensive. Aside from jokes let's talk seriously. Mah moo, te nah dah in the banana patch?"
7:52 PM
"All joking aside, your breath is actually terrible."
@MetaEd I was thinking about telling a hotel to stay, then I thought about telling a hotel to roll over.
@MetaEd haha. wait...
@MattE.Эллен YOu have interesting relationships with your hotels
Next you'll be asking them to speak
@MattE.Эллен Let's tell it to play dead, and we'll have a great hotel horror movie.
I've won best in show five years running
Your hotels have crushed all the opposition
poor dogs
7:54 PM
@MetaEd playing dead is something many hotels overlook
I think knowlingly. getting the police invovled is bad for business
@Mitch don't bring a dog to a hotel fight
@MetaEd Would you say all? Really? I've always known it as joking aside.
@terdon maybe he has a lot more jokes to deal with.
@MattE.Эллен They do? Ewww, what a horrible view!
7:55 PM
it's the Native American burial grounds they keep building them on
W: The bells are getting louder...Oh, look!
M: What?
W: The church! It's getting closer! It's coming down the 'ill!
M: What a liberty!
Many of the early colonial towns (in New England and down the coast) were started/built at the sites of abandoned Indian settlements (because of 90% of every body dying of mumps before the Europeans started to settle there).
@terdon All joking aside, according to Ngram Viewer, "Joking aside" appears in print about two times for every time it's "All joking aside".
One tiny detail left out... lots of European fishermen visited the east coast in the 1500's
Owl jerking inside
7:59 PM
When I say: "I was winning the third set 2-0", how do I have to pronounce 0?
@MetaEd which probably means that "All joking aside" and "Joking aside" appear in equal amounts, because the latter is counted with the former
@MattE.Эллен poor owls
@Mitch I used capitalization so only searched the starts of sentences.
maybe its help with back pain?
In tennis
@Curio love
8:00 PM
@MetaEd Ha! I knew it! I'm right! Uhm. . . no. . . hang on!
@Curio people say 'two oh' or 'two zero', but yes in tennis you only say 'two love'
in football it'd be two nil
In games too? I mean in the sentence 40-0, is 0 here the same of "2-0"?
Okay thanks
8:01 PM
@MattE.Эллен in American football it'd be 'two nothing'
@MattE.Эллен or two-oh
In American sports writing it'd be 'The Celtics trounced the Cavs, again!'
@Mitch Yes, and it'd be the "seltiks" for no good reason at all, ever.
The reason Scottish people have more cardiovascular problems than other people in the UK is because Celtic usually beat Hearts.
that's an awful pun. I'm sorry
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9:20 PM
Oh, dear...
@Mitch I am not sure why you pinged me in that message
I do not focus on one side or one aspect and indivisual nutrients, I have a balanced diet and I enjoy my food.
I do not count the number of chocolates I eat everyday but I know people who do, and their nickname starts with "Mitc".
9:39 PM
I don't get it.
@Gigili I was giving you an example of something that tastes sweet but has no sugar... wait...Kool-Aid is mostly sugar. Sugar-free Kool-Aid, as disgusting and life-disaffirming as that sounds, is mostly water.
@Gigili I'm not sure who you are referring to. The number of chocolates I have in a day is uncountable.
@Mitch it's a reference to the football rival teams Celtic (Glasgow) and Hearts (Edinburgh) and the fact that Scottish people are more likely to have heart attacks than other people in the UK. It's not very good. I'm pretty sure even people who get the references won't get it.
Also, the Scots are known for frying everything which is considered something that contributes to cardiovascular disease. Also, 'Hearts' seems like a weird name for a sports team. Why not just call them the 'Rainbow Butterfly Unicorns'?
10:06 PM
When my career as a NASCAR racer starts to take off, I want my sponsor to be 'Hello Kitty!' and my car painted fluorescent Pepto-Bismol pink
10:20 PM
@Mitch suits you perfectly
@Mitch That doesn't contradict what I said
@Mitch next you'll be telling me that water is mostly sugar
@Gigili I contradict you twice. Once, this statement, and second the first contradiction. Or the other way round. Whichever.
@Gigili contradiction #3
Calm down
water is a weakly dielectric dihydrogen oxide
very little natural sugar
unless you're sipping from a hummingbird bird feeder.
then it's like honey
hands glass of water
slakes thirst
10:25 PM
You just contradicted yourself.
End of story.
I never said I wasn't thirsty
after all that chocol... oops!
la la la, I'm not listening, la la la
I know that song... is that... 'Let it go'?
As a concerned parent, those lyrics trouble me, encouraging young people to go out in the cold without a coat. At least wear some goddam mittens!
10:48 PM
@Mitch We need to play a game of Nomic.
11:35 PM
> - Thanks.
- Not at all.
Do you normally use not at all like that?
Looks weird
No problem is more common I think
Yeah, I saw it used like that in a dictionary.
To respond to do you mind or pardon or I owe you etc, sure; but to respond to a bare thank you? I don't know.

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