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14:00
@Robusto I know. I admire that about you.
well, JSB has a point: I am hostile towards ideas that are actively harmful, and I have no reason to restrict myself when those come up here
@JSBᾶngs You better not cross me! You are talking to a man who has absolute command of the English language! I can hit you so hard, you'll ... pauses, realizes mellow getting harshed ... uh, never mind.
@Vitaly So you don't think I'm actively harmful?
@Robusto false, sir! only Reg has an absolute command of the English language
3
that's why he's our Beloved Leader
@KitFox Wait, you are an idea?
14:01
@Vitaly Aren't I?
@JSBᾶngs Hah! A mere pineapple! Worse, pineapple-flavored.
Mmm, pineapple-flavored owl.
@KitFox Say it in French and it would sound more appealing.
the fact that Reg is a pineapple is merely more evidence for his superiority
@JSBᾶngs Yes, but the greatest pineapple in the world is still not a cigar. Oh, and QED.
14:04
@Robusto Hibou d'ananas fantastigoût.
@Robusto c'est ne pas un cigar
@KitFox au creme?
aupres de ma blonde.
@JSBᾶngs Ceci ne pas une pipe.
@Robusto but no one was talking about pipes, silly
14:05
@Robusto Ceci ne pas un penis.
must... resist... temptation... to... star...
Don't do it!
13 hours ago, by Will Hunting
@Mahnax No more p's in chat. I am afraid to type the word.
Hang on to a Bible if you must!
@KitFox but i don't have one handy!
14:06
Oh. Well. I guess you are totally hosed then.
Ma cuillère est trop grande.
You have a big spoon?
it's too big!
C'est si grande que...
14:08
Oh right.
@MrShinyandNew安宇 hahahahahahaa
my friends had that on a dvd during college
Rene Magritte was!
Hahaha, no one expects Rene Magritte!
certainly not at this hour
Well, see, that was the surprise.
14:10
@JSB I have a question about the Bible.
is surprised
Anyway, a pineapple is just a pineapple, but a good cigar is a smoke. QED.
@Vitaly i make no guarantees about the accuracy of my answers, but shoot
The person doing the shooting needs accuracy.
14:13
@JSBᾶngs what passage from the Bible could one use to adapt this from Judaism to Christianity as opposed to rewriting the whole text?
@Vitaly btw, your new avatar looks too much like MrShiny's avatar at a glance. you should fix that.
@JSBᾶngs done. i wanted to switch back to my old gravatar earlier today.
Aww.
pouts
@Vitaly I miss your old gravatar.
@KitFox will this be your new facebook photo?
I hear it's all the rage
14:16
@Vitaly i'm not sure i understand. you want to take the critique as written, adapt it so that it applies to Christians, and only have to change a few scripture references?
i'll have to think about that
i mean, you could just leave it, since the Torah is included in the Bible
@JSBᾶngs yeah, pretty much
Not a whole lot of violence and conquering in the New Testament.
@JSBᾶngs but Leviticus isn't, I think?
@MattЭллен My pouty face?
@KitFox yes
everyone has it
14:17
@Vitaly of course it is. however, christians don't follow the Torah, so the argument has less teeth against them.
except you
Can't be.
@JSBᾶngs oh, I see.
I haven't even heard of it.
they're keeping you in the dark on purpose. Corruption all the way to the Top
14:18
the Christian scriptures are a superset of the Jewish scriptures. there are no Jewish scriptures that are not also Christian scriptures
the traditions, though (halacha and talmud on the Jewish side, canon and the Holy Fathers on the christian side) are pretty much disjoint
heh, I have somehow had this cached thought that leviticus wasn't part of the bible thanks to a damned lot of christians tellimg me that it wasn't
thanks for bringing this up, i can now use all those sweet levticus verses whenever i please :)
That's the old school stuff that got superceded by the Gospels.
@Vitaly christians do not follow the rules in Leviticus, or (mostly) anything else in the Torah, which is probably what people were trying to say
At least, that's what most Christians tell me when I ask them when they made their last burnt offering.
14:21
@JSBᾶngs THere's two ways that that is wrong: 1) the Jews have a long history of commentary on the Torah that interprets it, and Christians do not follow these interpretations. 2) Christians don't follow the rules in Leviticus and Deuteronomy very closely, except when they feel like it. All the kosher laws are in there but Christians tend not to care about that.
you people type too fast.
so, well, my question has been answered, thanks @JSB. as long as those atrocities are in the bible proper, no need to modify the text.
@KitFox yes. the sacrificial system ritual is explicitly wrapped up by the crucifixion. the gray areas are about what other parts of the torah which are "moral" rules
anyway...all the Jewish commentary -is- Jewish scripture which is not at all a concern for Christians.
@Mitch does not the comment that immediately follows the one you quoted address that?
@Vitaly Except most Christians will blame it on the Jews, not their faith. It won't work with Christians.
14:23
@JSBᾶngs I'm not sure which comment you're referring to but the answer is probably yes. I 'm having trouble reading and typing something else at the same time.
4 mins ago, by JSBᾶngs
the traditions, though (halacha and talmud on the Jewish side, canon and the Holy Fathers on the christian side) are pretty much disjoint
3 mins ago, by JSBᾶngs
@Vitaly christians do not follow the rules in Leviticus, or (mostly) anything else in the Torah, which is probably what people were trying to say
I agree with Kit, Christians reading that passage will think it's not about them.
@KitFox and yahweh explicitly commanded the jews to do that, right?
@Vitaly Probably.
@KitFox well, then it still works, as long as they worship yahweh
14:25
@KitFox i wouldn't say "blame it on the jews", but christians don't take the torah as being morally binding on them for the present day, so they're a lot less worried about this stuff
@Vitaly The Christians will just say that it was intended for Jews, not for themselves. So maybe you do want to rewrite/find another passage. Except the New Testament doesn't have much of that kind of talk.
I think most Christians view the Old Testament as something like a history of the tradition before Jesus came along and fixed everything.
If you want to argue Christianity, you're going to have to stick with the New Testament.
I can almost guarantee it.
well, the OT is still there. it's not as if this stuff isn't morally problematic for Xians, too
And since the gospels were focused on spreading God's love and Jesus's sacrifice and not so much on scary-as-hell Yahweh, you probably won't find much like that.
you can always hit up Paul for a few things that will annoy moderns
also, the book of Revelation
14:28
there's that time Jesus flipped out in the temple
and he yelled at his mom. that's not right.
@Matt what's problematic about that? he was kicking out the extortionary money-changers. it was Occupy Jerusalem
@KitFox I'm hoping that HonoreDB (the author of that excerpt) follows Eliezer's advice to write similar stories about the Bible.
@JSBᾶngs I was just trying to think of wrathful things
@Matt book of revelation, man. wrath galore.
14:30
@Vitaly I understand, but I think a different angle is needed.
It's kind of hard to argue against the Cynics and the Gnostics.
Well, by claiming they are violent, vengeful bastards, I mean.
Haven't you read the Bible, @Vitaly?
@KitFox not all of it and in Russian (I have absolutely no idea what Levitucus is called in the Russian versions)
You might be able to dig up some dirt in the Apocrypha.
no, most of the Apocrypha is terribly boring
and not relevant to this discussion
if you really want the good (bad) stuff, it's in the torah, a tiny bit in the prophets, then the letters of paul and the apocalypse
14:33
@JSBᾶngs s/the Apocrypha/the Bible
@Mitch haha, well that's probably also true
@JSBᾶngs s/boring/boring or disgusting
@Vitaly Книга Левит?
I can't read Cyrillic.
@KitFox apparently. i didn't get to it.
@KitFox "kniga levit". that's the one
14:34
Aww, Leviticus is great.
they like to censor their own sacred texts over here, so a lot of stuff from the Old Testament was missing in the Russian versions I cared to read as a teen
oddly enough, Leviticus was my favorite book as a kid
Bummer.
i found the detailed ritual instructions to be fascinating
Me too.
Also, in youth group, they recommended reading Leviticus to prevent masturbation.
14:35
@Vitaly I can't believe you're not familiar with the Brick Testament
@KitFox really?
@JSBᾶngs Really.
@MrShinyandNew the brick testament is great
@KitFox wow...that would prevent a lot of stuff
Well, except I only need one hand to read.
14:36
was the idea that you would be scared by the warnings in leviticus and stop masturbating, or that the reading would bore/fascinate you enough that you'd forget about it?
the former would be odd, since i don't remember anything about masturbation being in leviticus
The Brick Testament is a good way to read selected excerpts from the bible. It's full of juicy bits because those make for the best lego scenes. Some might say that the guy who makes it is intentionally inflammatory or uncharitable in his depictions and interpretations.
Job has 7000 sheep!
@Matt Job is my favorite book, now
@JSBᾶngs Hmm. I know part of it was because having a Bible in your hands should help remind you to not touch yourself. I can't remember why Leviticus specifically, except maybe the rule sets.
14:39
@JSBᾶngs I've not read much. Revelations and the book just before that and genesis.
@MattЭллен Anytime anyone mentions a passage in the Bible, and I go read it, and the surrounding book it is in, I'm either bored to tears (New Testament) or disgusted (Old).
@JSBᾶngs Those poor offscreen lions ... they won't get any.
There is that bit about spilling semen, and menstruation, and whatnot.
@Mitch didn't genesis make you laugh? If I thought it was true, I'd be very upset, but as a story it's quite funny
14:42
@KitFox What is your obsession with precious bodily fluids? Did you learn nothing from Dr. Strangelove?
@MattЭллен I had this idea of reading it to the kids because of the fun stories I remember as a child. Started with Genesis...I had to edit so much I gave up.
@Robusto I only learned how to stop worrying and love the Bomb.
I suppose it's kinda cynical humour
I'm getting lunch. Anyone want anything while I'm up?
no thanks!
14:44
@KitFox MOAR COFFEE
makes note
No, I get it, but it's just not what you'd expect.
brb
I guess it does make Job interesting.
MOAR CIGARS!
14:46
@Mitch the Bible stories as such weren't written for modern sensibilities, and they certainly weren't written for children. so i don't find this interesting.
I get that one, but most of the passably palatable stories are like 'WTF. What are they trying to say with this one?'
i mean, even something like Noah involves sacrifice and weird sex things and Noah getting drunk after he gets off the ark
@JSBᾶngs Exactly..and it doesn't get any better.
(which, let's be honest, is exactly what you'd do after you'd spent a year cooped up on a boat with a bunch of animals)
this is why children's bibles are usually bowlderized
@JSBᾶngs and very short.
14:48
Also bowdlerized.
or shrot
disembowdlerized
@Robusto don't hassle me with your petty spelling
Yeah, kids would like ancient Roman or Greek mythology more, I suppose. If you absolutely have to feed them with some sort of mythology, that is.
@JSBᾶngs You misspelled pretty.
14:49
@Vitaly hm...yeah..those are kinda nasty too but not revoltingly so.
@Vitaly meh. same problems, less relevance
@Mitch I dunno. The whole Prometheus thing is pretty awful. Also, there is a Flood story in Greek mythology, IIRC, and let's not forget Midas and Tantalos and the Gorgons and all that.
@JSBᾶngs But unlike the Judeo-Christian mythology, they do have interesting stories that don't need to be bowdlerised a lot.
@Vitaly which are?
@JSBᾶngs how are they -less- relevant?
14:51
@Mitch fewer cultural referents (though obviously not no cultural referents), and basically no one alive who takes them literally or believes them in any sense
@JSBᾶngs Heroic epics? Heracles?
@Vitaly you think the iliad is appropriate for children? what with all the murdering and raping and pillaging?
the odyssey is a little better, i suppose
@JSBᾶngs Re: relevance - I've been to the Noah's Ark Zoo in Tel Aviv.
Joseph is probably a good, child-appropriate, non-bowdlerized Bible story
the punchline...they have kangaroos.
14:53
@Mitch ... i don't get it
@JSBᾶngs the premise of the zoo was to have all the animals mentioned as being on the ark.
@Mitch but i don't think there are any animals mentioned by name as being on the ark, except doves, ravens, and sheep. that's a pretty small zoo.
I'm guessing kangaroos (and pretty much everything else) weren't mentioned.
Don't forget unicorns!
@aediaλ they got eaten by lions
14:55
@aediaλ Noah did :(
hi @aedia :D how are you?
@JSBᾶngs pouts Not the invisible pink ones!
@MattЭллен I'm having trouble ingesting coffee fast enough to stay awake. But other than that, everything is awesome. You?
@aediaλ oh noes! if we see gibberish coming out your keyboard we'll know what's happened. I'm pretty good thanks. trying to fix ma programmes
@aediaλ You should look into the caffeine IV drip.
smooches @aedia
hands JSB coffee
@JSBᾶngs Yeah. The Odyssey teaches children how a clever man can stay away from home for an extended period of time, then mollify his wife with a bunch of fantastic stories. "No, really, honey. Then we were blown off course again and landed on a magical isle full of beautiful women who forced us to have sex with them. It was horrible. I'm so glad I'm home."
15:03
lol
suddenly suspicious of husband
@Robusto touche. The moral of most of the disgusting bible stories are mostly 'don't do this; it's yucky'.
Unless you are God.
like "God killed everyone in Soddom, you shouldn't"
15:04
Must be New Testament stuff.
@RegDwightѬſ道 exactly. what a jerk.
@Mitch But I do like the Greek stories better. Basically, they let you do what you want as long as you're not prideful about it.
Old Testament stuff is pretty shocking in terms of morality.
I like the Norse myths.
@RegDwightѬſ道 Are you saying I'm not?
15:05
@Robusto nowhere in the transcript do I do.
@KitFox Nah, they're all gloom and doom. And the gods lose in the end. That's loser talk.
I still like them.
@KitFox I like the Nibelung and such :)
I like niblets.
Where's that lovely video explaining the Nibelung...
Mar 24 '11 at 14:24, by Robusto
So after you get through the first three installments of Der Ring des Nibelungen — call it 11 hours of exposition — what does Wagner do for the first 90 minutes of Die Goetterdaemmerung ? He tells the whole goddamn story all over again — an hour and a half of "Previously on The Ring ..."
@Robusto I read the abridged version :D and then watched a made for TV film
Mar 24 '11 at 14:20, by RegDwight
Wagner can only write giant phone books.
At least that's what Debussy said.
chokes
@RegDwightѬſ道 Debussy could write only petite phone books.
15:08
@Robusto anything goes as long as you're humble? excellent!
@MattЭллен Slacker!
@Robusto and proud
@Mitch Or you pal around with the wrong god, who's in trouble with some other, more powerful god for reasons you can't fathom.
@MattЭллен I heard the commercial for the TV film from another room.
@Mitch ah, then you only heard the best bits.
15:10
> 6 Habits of True Strategic Thinkers
basically, there is nothing in premodern literature which is morally acceptable to modern people, especially not children. QED
0
Q: Disconnect Internet and Disconnect from Internet,

Muhammed Rauf KOne of software from Microsoft says Download complete. You can now disconnect from the Internet. Why did they use disconnect from, I think disconnect is enough ? Is there any difference exit between these two sentences ?

1. Read articles about numbers of habits of strategic thinkers.
There, there.
Want boobs pics?
15:11
It's been a while
@Reg new war? (if yes, are you going to explain to our mercs why exactly we are starting new wars? they don't seem to get that it isn't the current score that matters, but how much damage our enemies and we can actually do)
@MattЭллен I saw the cover of a magazine mentioning the commercial ... while using it to floor a bird cage
@JSBᾶngs Exactly. Grimm's fairy tales. Disgusting what they really do. Poor Rumpelstiltskin.
@MattЭллен I saw the cover of a magazine mentioning the commercial ... while using it to floor a bird cage
@Vitaly I guess so. I thought we had a chance, seeing how they are at +1 infamy, so I dumped half a bar, but they have pumped some more.
@Mitch yes. i don't know how children actually survived to adulthood prior to about 1970.
Awkward.
15:15
@KitFox what is?
i just saw that linked somewhere else and thought it would be well-recieved in this chat
@MrShinyandNew安宇 That anti-Catholic cartoon. It's a bit, um, American.
I guess this is why he needs the popemobile. walking around must be really difficult
@KitFox that's true, alas. and this chat is scandalously non-American
Long live the Queen!
15:17
@KitFox What do you mean? it was made by an American? America has its share of protestants....
@JSBᾶngs It's just you and me...and her.
Simultaneous.
@MrShinyandNew安宇 the caption specifically mentions the Pope subverting American values and children
@JSBᾶngs that's a lot of complaints to put on the few Catholics. Is it anti-Irish maybe too?
@MattЭллен you don't want to know what the Pope's tentacles are hoping to do to your queen
@JSBᾶngs Crush him!
15:18
@JSBᾶngs But these same complaints were leveled against the Catholic Church from just about every non-Catholic nation.
@MrShinyandNew安宇 i know. that's why i was hoping that the reader can mentally substitute $your_country for "America"
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Nobody likes to have their power threatend.
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Why do you think Martin Luther nailed his 95 feces to the cathedral door?
I guess I don't see what's "awkward" about that cartoon.
15:19
@Robusto 99 species
@MrShinyandNew安宇 I was just joking.
@KitFox ah. um, "whoosh!" I guess
'sok
Wasn't that funny.
Well, now that's awkward.
sprays air freshener
that reminds me. Some yahoo once installed one of those auto-spraying air-fresheners right above the kitchen area at my work. Yay! droplets of mystery chemicals all over the kitchen!
Augh!
15:25
About a day or so later, someone had forcibly removed it from the wall, leaving, er, a bit of a hole. :)
be-deep
spray
I should have one of those for my butt.
be-deep
pfft
Hmm. How do you write fart sounds?
depends on the fart
thrrrrup
What about a good ripper?
15:28
@KitFox Haha. I am imagining you in a skunk costume with a spray can now :)
I am glad to see we have moved on from penises to butts.
@KitFox I honestly don't know. it's almost good enough for a SWR.
giggles
Sorry, @Reg. tries to look contrite
@RegDwightѬſ道 via tentacles
*testicles
15:29
*tentacles
those too
You people should spell or something.
Oh, right. That makes more sense.
or something
Matt has breakfasted a clown today, again.
MAWWWWCOOOORRRRRRRRR....
15:31
That reminds me of a joke.
@RegDwightѬſ道 I understand, but I don't understand
I must be off!
Matt always disappears in the fastest of manners.
@RegDwightѬſ道 it's his mutant ability
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Q: ESL question of 'a'

Marcosubject's height, length and weight parameters Or a subject's height, length and weight parameters

Who the hell invented that tag?
15:34
oh, it's a garbage tag from way back when
I wonder if I can remap it to ...
retagged and close-voted as NARQ
It's dead as disco already.
And thanks.
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Q: Correct usage of disorganised vs unorganised

Drew NoakesUnder what circumstances should one use disorganised in place of unorganised, or are they proper synonyms?

This is actually an interesting question, but I'm not sure how many more questions about dis- vs un- we should accept.
We've covered this ground before, for many different words.
Do we have a supraquestion?
Um, kind of.
15:38
Hi @Neil.
But it was more about etymology.
Hello!
Lemme see.
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Q: Origins of negative prefixes like in-, un-, il-, ir-, dis-, a-

EimantasI've read here about origins of in- and un- negative prefixes. Are there any known origins of other negative prefixes such as il-, ir-, dis-, a-?

Maybe someone could ask a general "difference between dis- and un-" question?
So this doesn't really fit.
Yeah.
We had that for a couple particular words.
Like uninstalled and deinstalled.
But nothing generic.
15:40
Maybe @Matt or @aedia?
They could use the reps.
0
Q: ESL Article question

MarcoPlease teach me which one is correct and why it is correct subject's height, length and weight parameters Or a subject's height, length and weight parameters

He's posted it again.
Quick question: Are you guys migrating all style guide questions to Writers these days? Not a problem, I just want to know if that's what's happening.
Um not really, no.
In fact we have a few style questions open on the front page right now.
Reg threatens to beat us when we suggest that we send things to Writers.
15:43
(I know there's more, looking now)
There's nothing wrong with sending us style guide questions.
@NeilFein my guess would be that the magic word "MLA" triggered that.
Hey! I have close vote privileges over there now.
Why just MLA? Because of tech/academic writing?
heady with power
dum DUM
dum dum DUM dum
15:45
@NeilFein Well, again, that's only a guess, albeit an educated one I should hope.
I suppose you can just ask waiwai.
That's kind of funny. I think that is a dupe of one of ours, isn't it?
But in any case I think it would have got closed here.
@KitFox could be. )))
But nöone knows all the questions by heart.
You do.
That is wrong.
Exhibit A: Neil's question.
Everything I know is wrong.
15:47
@KitFox - Is there a rabid wolverine in your underpants?
Anyway. To answer Neil's general question, I suppose we do tend to send stylistic choices over to Writers.
We're actually trying to encourage more tech writing questions, so it's good.
@NeilFein I don't drive and chat, man.
I suppose the questions that we do tend to keep is where the OP doesn't know that it's a stylistic choice.
So, "should I put a comma before and" is a question we would keep, but "should I put it there according to guide X" we'd let go.
Maybe we should send the a/an questions over to Writers.
15:51
Now you're just mean.)))
They can't handle 200 questions a day. (Now I am just mean.)
Well, we've got to put them somewhere. The garage and the basement are all filled up.
Yeah, TPTB shouldn't have screwed up the FAQ tab.
It worked so nicely.
It actually did list the most frequently asked questions.
Now it's just broken.
We should amend the FAQ to include "Don't ask questions about a/an"
Mar 8 at 17:17, by RegDwight Ѭſ道
Yeah, and the first sentence of the FAQ should be, "Everybody must read the FAQ". Duh.
Isn't it?
15:55
@RegDwightѬſ道 when did this change? i haven't looked at the FAQ tab for a very long time
@KitFox How would I know? I never checked the FAQ.
@JSBᾶngs like six months ago.
There must be signs of me venting frustration in the transcript.
So the privileges page says that you can create gallery rooms once you hit 1000 reps. I am at < 1K reps at ELU, and I still have the option of creating a gallery room. Which makes me think that maybe 10K reps on all sites combined is enough to see the flags.
Sep 21 '11 at 15:52, by RegDwight Ѭſ道
@GraceNote: has the algorithm for the FAQ tab changed? I see only crap there.
So six months and a week.
I wasn't that far off.
BRB cooking.

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