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Q: to bring/wheel someone in

Howard RoarkI am looking for a verb synonymous to bringing someone in to demonstrate something. As in: “To prove their point in front of the judge, the the defense [brought in] an “expert” who was supposed to…“ I’m looking for an expressive idiomatic verb that would capture the obvious cynicality (and perh...

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Q: Is there are word that means "contrived example" without a negative connotation?

Jarrod RobersonI have been using the word strawman to describe source code that is extremely simplified or contrived to illustrate some syntax or usage of something where the actual source code is irrelevant and the contrivance is not important much less a negative connotation. Here is an example that I would...

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Q: Adjective to describe something that has "reached the cooked point"?

alexWhen water reached the boiled point, you say "the waiter boiled." How about food that reaches its cooking point? Example sentence: Like __ clams, her eyes snapped open.

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Q: A word similar to "Donate" but more freely provided to

SEDAre there any other words similar to these words: Award, Bestow, Donate, Grant, Give, Provide, Tax ...that give a meaning of: I freely give to you a portion what I have acquired or earned, without hesitation or expectation of anything in return. You are owed this, without question. There is no...

 
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Q: A word for someone who is forced to act naïve?

EBardIs there a word or phase for someone who is forced to act naïve? For example, someone knows how to read and write, but because of their circumstances, they could be hurt or worse if anybody besides themselves knew. Not necessarily someone forced to keep a general secret, but someone forced to ke...

 
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Give this to Google Translate:
> Die Volkswirtschaftslehre (auch Nationalökonomie, Wirtschaftliche Staatswissenschaften oder Sozialökonomie, kurz VWL), ist ein Teilgebiet der Wirtschaftswisswnschaft.
 
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@skullpatrol it's a real poser
13:35
Are both of these equally natural sounding:
1) I am wearing a shirt with blue stripes
2) I am wearing a blue striped shirt
13:47
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Q: In a schooling environment from national to school

P. DumisaWhat do you call a person who put systems in place?

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Q: Is there a word for somebody who likes to be taken care of and pampered?

ArtusIs there a word for somebody who likes to be taken care of and pampered? I thought of attenion seeker but that has a negative comnotation. Is there any regular word which is not necessarily negative?

14:34
Why would someone choose to spell who we are: "Who we is"? (hellosugoi.com navbar)
sounds like a pun
What is the opposite of someone being closely related to someone, as in parent and child? What would describe a relationship like a 5th degree cousin?
Is that remotely related?
farly related / distant
"distant" seems like a great match. Thanks a lot
I hope it doesn't sound like geographically distant
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Q: In the context of family, what is the opposite of "immediate"?

Emanuil RusevIn the context of family, the term "immediate" refers to member of the family connected by birth, adoption, marriage, civil partnership, or cohabitation. Is t here a term that refers to the rest of the family?

I was looking for a name for a variable. So this suits me perfectly :)
14:51
hehe ok
15:11
@caub farly?
15:37
@Ahmed Yes, both are idiomatic English. The first one is more likely to be spoken, both equally likely written.
@caub Ugh...that site has all the worst tropes of brogrammers.
I'd guess that they think the bad syntax is 'cool' and 'ghetto' and 'hip'.
@OliverSalzburg Or distantly related.
@caub ?? both 'farly' and 'distant' are terribly ungrammatical there
@OliverSalzburg don't use 'distant'. use 'distantly'
'they are distantly related' or
'the relationship is distant'
Yes, but Mary is a distant cousin.
But no, that is absolutely not equivalent to closely, only to close.
16:04
@caub If this world were fair and just, the opposite of immediate would be mediate.
And enervate would mean enhance instead of diminish vitality. Alas, such is not our fate.
@Mitch ok thanks
Yeah, this world isn't perfect. Afterworld is perfect I hear.
16:48
@Ahmed Much better than the movie.
@terdon haha I used to use it as ~enhance. I stopped using it when I found out I was wrong
@MetaEd Afterbirth is better ... medium-rare
@Mitch what do you mean?
@skullpatrol a poser = a thing that is posed (as a question) = a difficult problem = a puzzle, and also by that link is cognate
17:04
I'm not so sure about the authenticity of that link @Mitch in terms of the origin of the word "puzzle."
I'd rather see it in a dictionary.
> It has alternatively been suggested that the word may be a frequentative formation in -le suffix 3 from pose v.2 with shortening of the stem vowel (for a possible parallel, compare nuzzle v.1 beside nose n.); with the possible semantic development, compare pose v.2 2a. However, if this is the case, the uniformity of the -u- spelling in all of the earliest examples is striking (contrast the formal variety shown by nuzzle v.1),
> and furthermore shortening of the reflex of Middle English open ō to u is not easily accounted for (which is a problem also encountered in the etymology of nuzzle v.1).
(OED3)
OED has three putative etymologies for puzzle and doesn't really like any of them.
That's what I wanted to find out @AndrewLeach, thanks :-)
NVZ
NVZ
Question: "He told me, not you." This can mean "He told me. You didn't tell me." Or it can mean "He told me. He didn't tell you." Right? And what kind of ambiguity is it? Lexical?
Right.
They mean different things, so I'd say "semantic."
NVZ
NVZ
Ok
I think they're both the same ambiguity.
Found this: Lexical ambiguity is the presence of two or more possible meanings within a single word. Also called semantic ambiguity or homonymy. thoughtco.com/what-is-lexical-ambiguity-1691226
17:16
yes. although in this case it's not that a word has two possible meanings. its that a sentence has two possible interpretations, depending on emphasis
NVZ
NVZ
Hmm.
Oh, hey, Matt. Long time no see
NVZ
NVZ
I see a notification for spam flags on chat messages for some random chat rooms. Is this normal? I checked it, saw nothing unusual. Clicked on "not spam" or "invalid" I think.
How you read it, will depend on the context...
yes, once you hit 10k network wide you'll start seeing chat flags
NVZ
NVZ
17:20
I see.
Matt. I suppose you mean "Ellen" by the russian spelling. What does the Russian spelling actually read?
In terms of pronunciation? I assume it's pronounced pretty much the same as Ellen
NVZ
NVZ
I see.
Google translate says "Ellen" with a 'Russian' accent :D
NVZ
NVZ
Or is it a syntactic ambiguity?
I'm now thinking it is synctatic.
Well, the sentence has dropped words from it, so possibly.
NVZ
NVZ
17:25
Hmm.
Syntactic ambiguity, also called amphiboly or amphibology, is a situation where a sentence may be interpreted in more than one way due to ambiguous sentence structure. Syntactic ambiguity arises not from the range of meanings of single words, but from the relationship between the words and clauses of a sentence, and the sentence structure underlying the word order therein. In other words, a sentence is syntactically ambiguous when a reader or listener can reasonably interpret one sentence as having more than one possible structure. In legal disputes, courts may be asked to interpret the meaning...
This looks more like it.
Why don't I see more downvotes on this meta question I made?
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Q: Should we promote partial answers?

NVZVote up or down on the question to show agreement or disagreement with the idea. Even better, let me hear your reasoning in an answer. :) Stack Exchange: "Answers belong only in answer boxes." ELU: "Yeah, right." ¹ I hate to see countless okayish questions covfefeying around, even though most...

I wish to see a strong approval or disapproval, not just a "meh".
/œ̃/
/ɛ̃/
/ɑ̃/
/ɔ̃/
Do we really not have any of these in English? I find the first/last two hard to tell apart.
@Mitch Doesn't sound very placenta to me.
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Q: Quadruped is to four-legged animal as ___ is to six-legged animal?

Michael KjörlingA creature which walks on two legs can be referred to as biped; bi- meaning two. A creature which walks on four legs can be referred to as quadruped; quad- meaning four. What is the corresponding word for a six-legged creature?

18:12
@Mitch Yuck, you like to watch afterbirth? You have weird tastes man.
=)
@MetaEd Hi Ed. Which movie? I mean you wrote "the" movie".
@skullpatrol Oh. sure. It does look a little dodgy. but I'm just messing around.
etymology is srs bsns
Is your name "Meta" or "Ed"? I am always confused.
@Mitch np pal
18:15
@Mitch When are you not?
Ya'll don't wanna see his serious side.
@NVZ That's a hard one. 'you's ambiguity isn't usually considered lexical, it's the referent that can be more than one thing. I don't think you would say the variable 'x' is ambiguous, it just is underspecified. But I suppose maybe...maybe that could literally be called lexical ambiguity.
if MetaEd ever meets Aedia, metaedmetaedia
@NVZ there are 6 votes so I don't think it is that nobody cares, but that a number of people have different opinions evenly divided. My personal opinion is 'It depends' so definitely 'could be yes or could be no depending on the comment and question'
NVZ
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I see
18:21
@MetaEd Am niotic that kind of person
@Ahmed I think you misread. It's worse than that
@Færd a good white wine = un bon vin blanc = /œ̃ bɔ̃ vɛ̃ blɑ̃/
classic exercise in French pronunciation
@Færd 1) No. In traditionally analysis of English phonology, it does not have any nasals in it's repertoire. Of course, lots of slurring and partial realizations will get many native English speakers to pronounce nasals. But that's not official.
I vote to make Mitch room owner.
2) Yes, those two are hard to distinguish for me. A bit like pin and pen for me. They're distinguishable, but I have to try.
@skullpatrol I vote for more donuts
Or rather, the person who has the last donut has to go get more.
@Mitch You have lost me. What did I misread? I think I didn't get that "medium rare" part, to me it means (of meat, especially beef) cooked so that the outside is browned and the inside is still partially red, and in that context it makes no sense to me.
I can't always understand your jokes, they are deep. =)
18:27
@Ahmed rarely.
Yeah, Mitch being one of the nicest people and all... he doesn't even want to be a moderator I'm sure.
I'm effing serious about the donut thing man. Who the hell takes the last donut?
@Ahmed secretly craves unbridled power
siphons energy from the donut eating hordes
@skullpatrol OK dude. Grammar police have been dispatched to your residence.
Just write "fucking" for fuck's sake, "effing" seems like this chat is for 9 year olds.
It's "y'all".
it's a contraction of 'you all'
Oh I mean it is respectable to use "effing" and all that.
I understand. Totally.
18:29
:O
it's not a contraction of 'ya will'
@Ahmed Um tell that to @KitZ.Fox
haha
I was just joking.
@Ahmed OK. You've left me no option. I'm going to have to explain something.
And it's not pretty.
Unless you're into that sort of thing.
There's this idea that...
Sorry @Mitch my hillbilly lingo isn't that good
that consuming certain things will engender certain positive properties.
It's not an uncommon idea: fish is 'brain' food, starches are good for 'stamina', multivitamins are good for general health.
in fact modern pharmacology comes out of basic use of herbs for health.
but there's a lot of myth
one of those ideas is that the fresh placenta from the birth of a mammal has certain.. properties.
and .. ahem... consuming it .... gets queasy ... gives you certain powers ... dry heaves
18:36
@Mitch Oh I see, you mean like "fish eggs" right?
like ... clairvoyance ... lucid dreaming ... skin turns ashen .... and the dreaded 'five fingers of death'
I thought you were talking about human afterbirth and placenta.
@Ahmed what? fish roe? caviar? what properties is that supposed to give you?
@Ahmed what did you think I was talking about? Brandy balls?
@skullpatrol haha... you're lucky. goes to sulk in corner
Why "corner"? You can sulk in here.
@Ahmed You can understand most of what I say by using a dictionary, looking them up on wikipedia, or search google for references, then thinking the absolute worst.
@Ahmed goes to middle of room to sulk about sulking in the wrong place
18:39
:)
Hiiii.
Howdy!
IT WAS A DARK REFERENCE TO HOW SOME PEOPLE EAT THEIR OWN NEWBORN'S PLACENTA TO GAIN SUPERPOWERS
WHAT THE ACTUAL FLYING FFFF...
What does the OED say about the word caducibranchiate? It is not in my copy of SOED.
18:41
@Ahmed What? Are you 9-years old?
@Mitch Well, in capitals it would look kind of bad. =)
@Jasper It's been bowdlerized to remove all references to placenta-eating.
@Mitch I think it is OK to eat the placenta, not hurting anyone.
@Jasper Right, as long as it's no one you know.
Like cannibalism
Needs salt. BRB
@Mitch It is OK to eat dead people as well, if there is no food, which did happen in some historical events.
18:43
@Mitch How can you live on just salt? OK I am waiting till you return.
@Ahmed I'm back. Did anything happen while I was gone?
@Mitch Nothing. It is very peaceful here.
OK Here's my checklist:
- self-referential jokes
- mincing and unmincing taboo words
- cannibalism
- placenta
- placenta cannib... aha!
There was a whole bunch of chat flags in the math room just now.
So there this baby who was just born walks into a bar and says:
@Jasper Anything interesting?
actual flag worthy?
or are they just under the radar?
18:46
Nope, just some kids playing around, no psychopaths involved.
I always want ti see something juicy, but usually it is just something in russian that turns out to be pretty lame.
Unless google translate has been bowdlerizing all along.
I am having fun on ELL. I will be staying there long term I think. You can find me in that room if you want.
Is anybody else there at the moment?
That room is kind of empty. I must have frightened everyone away with my recent arrival.
oh
I had heard that damrong was the main driver over there, but they haven't been there much lately so there isn't much traffic.
18:55
You mean Damkerng, LOL.
Do you like my new blue pic?
Oh. Wow. looks like you and @skullpatrol run that place now
@Jasper oh. yeah. I couldn't remember right
@Jasper nice shade. almost black. but hard to see your face
@Mitch Strange. Maybe the lighting on my laptop is different from other people's. Everyone tells me it is too dark, LOL.
@Jasper you may also have younger eyes. I need a lot more contrast in images than I used to in order to see well
@Mitch I think I have myopia and astigmatism, but that's about it.
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Q: Looking for a word to describe a feeling of hopelessness due to being a participant

phoyleI am looking for a word that would describe someone as being hopeless because they are part of a deteriorating situation, but not something as strong as "victim." I am describing the essayist's tone and have "Her overall tone was quite lyrical, but in general dark and somewhat hopeless." This p...

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@Mitch You ain't fluidin' nobody.
@MetaEd Spinal tap?
That's all I got
19:29
@Mitch That's because you haven't turned it up to eleven.
@Mitch oh sorry
@caub no need to be sorry here. 'farly' would seem to be a reasonable creation of an adverb from an adjective, but it turns out not at all. and I could see a similar thing about 'distant'. again language (or maybe just English?) is weird.
@MetaEd Dammit
turns machine on
"farly" doesn't exist indeed, I don't know how I thought about that :))
I thought you meant to write "fairly distant". I took it as a typo only.
Fairly distant makes sense I guess.
19:51
@Mitch If I am in US in the south, Tennessee for example, with a long enough beard will that be a problem? Just curious. Or I can ask someone in real life... Hmm.
Do you have a turban too?
Heh, no.
Why?
just a bad joke, I'm the opposite of racist anyway
I know. I mean a potential terrorist wouldn't wear a turban and a long beard before blowing stuff up or killing someone. He will mostly likely be a clean shaven person so he could mix easily in the crowd.
But still I am just curious.
Yea totally, but people's mentality is a bit like that
19:56
Yeah, it is quite sad.
@Mitch Do you say "mix easily in the crowd" or "mix easily with the crowd"?
I didn't even notice your name yet, had a lot a "Maghrebian" friends in uni
I see, cool.
I'm not from Africa though. By the way, my name is common all over the muslim world not just in one particular region I am sure.
It is not my real name though =)
not really helpful though
@Ahmed depends, but most likely not. also depends on where exactly. All sorts live everywhere in the US. In rural parts of the South there are not many immigrants so the locals may ask you inappropriate questions, but they'll serve you at a business just fine. In any big city in the South you won't have a problem at all.
Ahmed is the Alan of English, the Alain of French I guess, sort of :)
20:04
@MattE.Эллен I saw you pop into that room for a few seconds just now, lol.
I don't know anymore since 2017 started. I used to think that whatever problems with race you see in the news about the US that it was just vocal about things and that in fact was less racist than many other (especially European) countries.
@Mitch I see. Cool.
But now I don't know anymore.
@Jasper well, I was curious what all the fuss was about
It's always been tough to be black in the US. But now I don't know relatively anymore.
20:06
@MattE.Эллен Oh, I thought you wanted to become a permanent member there, lol.
not at the moment :D
@Ahmed I make one sentence claiming one thing and then I think about it and I'm not sure.
@Mitch Yeah, but I am not black though. My skin tone is lighter than brown.
@MattE.Эллен There's a fuss going on? What about? I can help. I have advice.
I know blacks have it tough
20:08
Hmm, Kit is making this app for Hurricane Harvey victims and there is a room for that, interesting.
Like sometimes medium is too much and medium rare is not enough
so ask your server
@Mitch What is the current state of racism in the US?
@Ahmed in the south being 'black' or perceived as what is really African-American is very different from being 'brown but not African' like Latin or Middle-Eastern. And East Asian just doesn't fit in that. It's all based on appearances.
@Mitch maybe I overstated it. less of a fuss more of a conflab
@Jasper The extremely small minority of white supremacists, and their encouragement by changes in the US government have amplified their voice. I think for the most part white people are pretty cool about overt racism, but things like movies and other media tend to reinforce what are essentially non-existent stereotypes about blacks.
@MattE.Эллен Ooh. I love a good conflab
not knowing exactly what that is of course
@Jasper in which SE?
20:13
@Mitch I double checked the definition on Google and it told me "another word for confab"
@Jasper also, that is a huge topic and hard to answer easily.
@MattE.Эллен Nice. goes to look up confab too
@Mitch I hope there isn't too much of it against people of my colour.
@Jasper they better hurry up on that. also start creating the Hurricane Irma app which may be just as bad.
@Mitch Maybe @KitZ.Fox will become famous for creating these apps to help all kinds of disaster victims, like win a Nobel Peace Prize.
@Jasper like I said...East Asian doesn't really fit well into most Americans sense of race
20:17
@Mitch Doesn't fit well, meaning they don't know what to think of it?
I like US, but I will probably never move there. I think about moving to Canada. It is less crazy over there I think.
simplify to make it easier to make a decision (by how well it sounds):
mix in the crowd vs
mix with the crowd
first one sounds better but 'into' is probably the likely one that fits best
@Mitch Ah okay, thank you!
@Jasper right. "Hmm...they're different somehow but there's no history to tell me what to think about it. They're good at kung fu and technical stuff, right?"
Can you say "I'm waiting a new laptop"? (ellipsing the "for")
20:20
@Mitch I understand now, not a bad thing for me, lol. Of course, everyone knows I am a kungfu expert. I taught Kungfu Panda his kicks.
@caub No.
Hmm ok
But if you say you are waiting tables, that means you are a waiter.
@Ahmed They have the stereotype of being polite all the time, but they're just as racist and mean as anywhere else. They'll be polite to your face
@Mitch haha. Okay.
ok
polite, who, Canadians?
20:23
@caub in popular media yes.
@caub you can say "I'm awaiting a new laptop" because "await" is transitive. "Wait" is intransitive, so cannot take a direct object
yes, but that's a bit old-fashioned, to use 'await'
@MattE.Эллен thanks for the precision, ok
@Mitch Maybe it's just all the javascript I'm writing :D
@caub just like americans are loud braggarts that talk about money (this stereotype existed long before now)
20:27
hehe JS's await is fantastic
@MattE.Эллен is that a keyword?
yes, it's new-ish
wow...I gotta read up. it's like a catch but not for errors but for asynchronous callbacks?
yeah, I think that's a good analogy
used with promises
const delay=(x,t=500)=>new Promise(r => setTimeout(r,t,x));
(async () => {  console.log(await delay('wow'), await delay(1)+await delay(3, 800));  })()
I'm rusty with the chat
you can still use the Promise .catch, I prefer it to the cumbersome try { } catch(e) { }
await/async are still promise under the hood
async function foo(){ } returns a Promise
20:34
@MattE.Эллен Actually, to me await = wait for, QED.
In the same vein, comprise = consist of.
But, 'comprised of' is commonly used now too.
Of course, if you're some kind of apprentice and your boss sends you to the cupboard to look for a long weight...
console.time(1);
(async () => {
	console.log(await delay('wow'), await delay(1)+await delay(3, 800));
	console.timeEnd(1)
})()
.catch(console.error);
was just testing that, because it wait for all promises sequentially (1800ms)
1: 31678.11ms
20:37
await Promise.all([delay('wow'), await delay(1)+await delay(2, 80)]) would be different
that seems too long.
yea that's weird
ah, I know what it was. I started the timer before I had declared delay
so, it took me a few second to paste it :D
1: 1804.79ms
programming is getting on my nerves. you can do everything in every language, but some languages do it it differently, or have different syntax for the same thing, and then there are APIs/frameworks that might do the same thing, but then maybe not, and now I just know what I want to have been done but not how to actually do it.
Makes sense
20:55
@Mitch honestly JS is becoming the prevalent language, it's simple, powerful as a scripting language, even if tchrist would surely prefer another one, fast. It lack a bit typing, but there are good emerging alternatives to make codebases scale nicely
s/typing/stronger typing
JS is to programming languages what English is to spoken languages :p
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Q: english or general knowledge

kajal lodwalI am Kajal Lodwal and my question is about English learning If anyone knows the answer please reply me. My question is: What could we call a person with deep knowledge in various fields?

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Q: A word for unobtrusive architecture amidst architecturally superior ensemble?

Howard RoarkI am looking for a term for unobtrusive architecture amidst architecturally superior ensemble. E.g., a contemporary building in a college campus or in a European old town that features some stylized elements and color of the old buildings, but is generally bland and deliberately "un-architectural...

Woo. Less than 45 seconds to deal with that.
22:07
@Mitch Thanks mate.
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Q: Adjective to describe an ongoing and not yet completed issue of an online magazine?

ruffleIt is possible to run an online magazine so that the current issue may yet contain further articles in addition to the ones already published. What is the best adjective to describe the current (ongoing) issue of such a magazine. "Ongoing issue" usually means a current problem that needs to be a...


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