English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

KitFox

00:03

Well, don't everybody start talking at once.

Matt Эллен

talking's for loosers

KitFox

haha

tokking iz 4 loosers

user19161

Now all the users on the first page have 10k, and all on the second 5k. Yay!

Matt Эллен

@WillHunting well, now the minimum entry for the first page is 10K!

that's a tall order

user19161

@MattЭллен I see you are still up this Fri night!

Matt Эллен

00:07

Saturday morning too!

but I am going to bed now

good night!

Cerberus

Wait! Oh too late.

@MattЭллен Do you ever sing in a store? Better not try that in the UK, or you maybe fined GBP 1,000.

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/tayside_and_central/…

> The village store where Mrs Burt works was contacted by the PRS earlier this year to warn them that a licence was needed to play a radio within earshot of customers.

When the shop owner decided to get rid of the radio as a result, Mrs Burt said she began singing as she worked.

She told the BBC news website: "I would start to sing to myself when I was stacking the shelves just to keep me happy because it was very quiet without the radio.

"When I heard that the PRS said I would be prosecuted for not having a performance licence, I thought it was a joke and started laughing.

Gigili

Good night.

(@DavidWallace)

KitFox

00:22

"All Girls Garage" How did I miss this for so long?

RegDwight Ѭſ道

00:33

Well I guess I'll go read a book and gradually fall asleep.

Have fun peeps.

Over and out.

KitFox

Night!

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Damn, that Lichtatem guy is singlehandedly kicking our collective asses. Embarrassing.

But I'm not here!

Use Ogre spam. On Fight.

KitFox

00:50

@Reg I don't have Ogre spam.

David Wallace

03:57

There needs to be some approved etiquette on what to do when two people post almost-identical answers almost simultaneously.

Cerberus

Hi!

@DavidWallace How about...just let them coexist?

Hey, what do you think of this girl? Would you consider her attractive?:

►

David Wallace

@Cerberus Yeah, that's what I've decided to do. It always seems kludgey though.

Cerberus

Yeah.

One or the other might add extra information later.

Or something.

David Wallace

@Cerberus She's not really my cup of tea. Kind of like a cross between Paris Hilton and Agnetha from Abba. I can imagine that some people might find her attractive though.

She's a bit too artificial for me - kind of polished and made up. But then, I don't think my tastes in women are typical.

The comment "@Tancrediization molto più sexy delle cantanti mezze (o totalmente) nude che si vedono oggi in televisione..." on the youtube page indicates that not everybody feels the same as I do.

Cerberus

04:15

Heh.

@DavidWallace Noted.

The way she moves is a bit artificial too.

The make-up is probably a depends on time and date.

David Wallace

Probably. I prefer women to look a little bit raw and real.

Cerberus

Ah yes.

David Wallace

How have three people upvoted this?

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Q: Show $\underbrace{{111\cdots}1}_{{\small{p-1} \ 1's}}$ is divisible by $p$

What is the shortest proof to show $\underbrace{{111\cdots}1}_{{\small{p-1} \ 1's}}$ is divisible by $p$

It doesn't work when p = 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9 or 10.

Vitaly

04:31

@Cerberus If your point is that you are consistently failing to see my point, sure.

Cerberus

@Vitaly ?

@MrShinyandNew: I have read the saving-future LL post, and I remain unconvinced.

Vitaly

@Cerberus in re to: “@Vitaly will probably think 1–3 above are all true because people are mindless apes, nay, less th..”

Cerberus

@Vitaly I was strawmanning you a bit.

@DavidWallace By the way, what are those dollar signs?

And the braces?

Vitaly

@Cerberus No. You were strawmanning someone else, and that's my point.

Cerberus

@Vitaly Whom, then?

Vitaly

04:42

No idea.

Cerberus

I wasn't strawmanning anyone else.

Vitaly

Someone who has no idea how evolution and psychology work together.

Cerberus

No, I was presenting an exaggerated version of your perspective on human nature.

It was a joke.

Vitaly

Sigh. I am telling you it's not an exaggerated version of my perspective on human nature. It's someone else's exaggerated version, and I have just described the someone.

Cerberus

I think it is my call to decide who I am strawmanning.

It is a deliberate action, not something I can do without knowing it.

Unless...you think even that is due to instinctive impulses...

See what I just did there?

Vitaly

04:45

An exaggerated version of my perspective would say, “@Vitaly will probably think that … because people are just Petri dishes” :P

Cerberus

I might have chosen that if it had fit the context.

Vitaly

@Cerberus What can you, as a philosopher, infer from the fact that people who have blindsight can't describe what objects are in their blind area, but when asked to take a guess, they perform better than chance?

Cerberus

I don't know? That apparently they do get some input from the blind area, even though they are not aware of it in some way?

But that is not philosophy—just common sense.

Vitaly

Being No One builds a theory around that and other neurological phenomenons.

And well, that guy is a certified philosopher.

Cerberus

And?

Vitaly

04:58

Just saying.

Cerberus

I noticed he mentioned the word in the introduction.

Vitaly

@Cerberus You did?

Cerberus

Yes. Or perhaps in the summary.

The word blindsight, I mean.

Vitaly

So you are saying that people take action on some input of which they are unaware?

Cerberus

Apparently, yes. But "aware" could mean several things.

They could be insincere to some degree, for example.

Vitaly

05:03

So they are either mindless apes or liars, huh. I see.

Cerberus

To some degree.

Vitaly

It was a joke. I was exaggerating. :P

Cerberus

Oh really!

With you, it is sometimes hard to see whether your exaggeration is jocular or not.

I wonder what it would be like if we met in real life accidentally, unknowingly, and struck up a conversation.

Vitaly

Unknowingly? Then nothing out of the ordinary, I suppose. I would treat you as another H. sapiens and probably talk about weather or something. Mimic what you people usually do.

And that's with the huge assumption of a conversation.

Cerberus

Why is that so huge? Suppose we got stuck in a building during an earthquake.

And suppose we came to talk about the human mind, or what will you.

Vitaly

05:11

Hmm yeah, you are right, that makes philosophical sense. What's the weather like, BTW?

Cerberus

You are giving an example of the incongruous things you would say?

@Vitaly The weather is like a massive earthquake.

In case you hadn't noticed.

See, you can't even talk about the weather properly!

You don't ask about it: you comment on it.

Vitaly

But I am not talking about it. I am asking about it, in case you hadn't noticed.

Cerberus

But that is not something you do.

Vitaly

So there's 7°C in Amsterdam? It's −9°C here.

Apparently, easier to google the weather than to ask a philosopher about it, if you are looking for a straight answer.

user19161

05:37

@Vitaly Answer is not straight. It is six curves.

Vitaly

@WillHunting You sure?

Cerberus

05:53

@Vitaly You mean "so it's 7°C in A'dam?".

I wouldn't know what temperature it is now, but that might be accurate.

Poor you, -9 is cold.

Is it always so cold in late March?

Vitaly

−9°C is about perfect. Though 5°C would be more perfect, just because it would mean fewer constricting clothes.

Cerberus

Really? You enjoy that?

Why not +15?

Vitaly

15 Celsius is too hot.

@Cerberus I think this is about right for the average ± a few degrees Centigrade.

Cerberus

@Vitaly For what?

You could walk around in a pullover.

20 might be a bit warm when you actually have to do things.

I'd personally vote for 18°C all year round.

Vitaly

@Cerberus For a shirt. 15°C is enough to make me think of putting a t-shirt on.

Cerberus

05:59

I don't get it.

15 °C is too hot for a shirt, and yet it makes you consider putting on a t-shirt.

I would not want to walk around in a shirt at 15 °C, especially not in the wind and shade.

Vitaly

@Cerberus Yeah. Most people here don't feel that it's too hot, so I'd look odd in a t-shirt. Therefore consider.

Cerberus

I don't understand how something can be too hot for a shirt and yet you consider putting on a shirt.

Vitaly

Huh?

Cerberus

Oh, well, it's bed time.

Vitaly

OK, shirt: svetgorod.ru/_img_articles/176/2.jpg

Cerberus

06:03

Apparently you are not only hot-blooded but also crazy blooded.

Vitaly

T-shirt: tv-futbolka.com.ua/static/products/…

Are my terms wrong in English?

Cerberus

Ahh I see what you mean. A t-shirt is a kind of shirt (hence the name).

Vitaly

So what is the plain shirt called?

Cerberus

And I figured they are about equally cool.

Vitaly

@Cerberus well, they can be made of different cloth

Cerberus

06:04

A plain shirt? A collared shirt?

@Vitaly Yes, okay.

But if they are both thin cotton, I'd put them in the same category as how warm/cool they are.

Vitaly

yeah, okay

Night, then.

Cerberus

The sleeves can make it more or less cool according as it is sunny or not.

And windy or not.

Okay, good night!

David Wallace

10:08

Hi @Gigili, sorry I was AFK when you were talking to me before. As I suspect you are now. I didn't mean to be rude.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

10:24

@Cerberus serves you right for finding SWRs oh-so-uninteresting.

There's your true colors shining through.

David Wallace

Gosh, it's Cyndi Lauper, pretending to be Reg Dwight.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Phil Collins.

David Wallace

No, you seem more like a Cyndi to me.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Cyndi Lauper isn't anywhere as fluffy.

David Wallace

AFAYK

RegDwight Ѭſ道

10:29

Well I'm using the scientific method: directly comparing pictures of Cyndi Lauper, Phil Collins, and viscachas.

David Wallace

seashellsandsunflowers.com/2011/10/…

RegDwight Ѭſ道

I'm sorry, I don't have a link to a page where they eat Phil Collins.

David Wallace

Well I expect better from you.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

So do I from you.

I changed my gravatar just for you. And now you're eating me. Not cool.

Every time I change the gravatar to viscacha, I have to regret it.

I'll go find me a picture of fugu or something.

Vitaly

@RegDwightѬſ道 You had to spoil it like that, hadn't you. I was looking forward to finding out whether anyone new here knew what that thing was called.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

10:37

@Vitaly everyone knows that by now.

You are eight months too late to that party.

And even the last time around, it took people exactly two seconds.

Vitaly

I said “anyone new” here.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Ah.

Well sorry I couldn't quite keep up with your seven edits.

Vitaly

And actually I was the first person to guess the viscacha. Just in case you don't remember.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Actually I don't.

Vitaly

Jun 14 '11 at 13:10, by Vitaly

Fascinating stuff.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

10:39

I only remember that Kosmonaut posted the exact same picture, saying it had been on his hard drive forever.

David Wallace

seriouseats.com/tags/recipes/Phil%20Collins

RegDwight Ѭſ道

> If you can't get cucumber vodka...

He lost me right there.

David Wallace

Yeah, I don't really know what "ice-filled Collins glass" has to do with Phil.

but I do appreciate you changing your avatar.

Vitaly

Jun 14 '11 at 13:17, by F'x

“Vizcacha en escabeche (pickled vizcacha), a traditional dish of the Argentinean countryside”

Jun 14 '11 at 13:17, by F'x

@RegDwight: come here, sweety sweety sweety…

David Wallace

I have an Argentine cookbook. It does not have any recipes for vizcacha.

Many years ago, my (then) girlfriend's flatmate shot a goose. I found "pato a la naranja" (Spanish for canard a l'orange) in this particular book and gave it a try. Guess what - goose meat is nothing like duck meat, and it failed miserably. Either that, or I had all the wrong ingredients.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

11:04

Секундочку...

Sodeli.

David Wallace

I can't even tell what your new animal is.

I need to AFK for a bit while I fix my slightly pakaru computer.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

It's an elephant hiding his head in the sand.

David Wallace

11:32

... and our Russian friend has become some kind of spider, which vaguely looks like an elephant with sunglasses.

Vitaly

There are two Russians here right now.

David Wallace

I think it was clear which Russian I meant.

Vitaly

Well, to me, his gravatar looks like an elephant hiding his head in the sand, not an elephant in sunglasses. :P

David Wallace

which is why it's clear that I was referring to the other Russian.

Vitaly

Haha.

Deinopis subrufa

Deinopis subrufa (also called Rufous Net-casting Spider) is a species of net-casting spiders. It occurs in eastern Australia and Tasmania. It is a nocturnal hunter, having excellent eyesight, and hunts using a silken net to capture its prey. They feed on a variety of insects - ants, beetles, crickets and other spiders. They can vary in color from fawn to pinkish brown or chocolate brown. Females are about 25mm, males about 22mm. They are not dangerous to humans. This species is often found on a few strands of web in forest, woodland and heathland, or on flat surfaces, for example...

David Wallace

11:41

Australia has all the most evil-looking spiders.

Almost shat myself the first time I saw one of these guys in the flesh.

Vitaly

@DavidWallace You know someone who keeps spiders as pets?

David Wallace

No, it was just sitting on the wall in someone's house. The Huntsman spiders in Australia do that.

Vitaly

Oh. It's the Goliath birdeater, and is native to South America.

David Wallace

It was directly above where I had put my bag and coat. Then a few minutes later, it wasn't there. Later picking up my coat and putting it on was one of the more terrifying experiences of my life, but I didn't see the spider again.

Vitaly

Despite what the image name says. (And even then, the giant huntsman spider has only recently been discovered.)

David Wallace

11:49

Oh, crap, is it? This happened to me 24 years ago, so I may well have posted the wrong picture.

Vitaly

Goliath birdeater

The Goliath bird-eater Spider (Theraphosa blondi) is an arachnid belonging to the tarantula group, Theraphosidae. It is considered to be the second largest spider in the world (by leg-span it is second to the giant huntsman spider), and it may be the largest by mass. The spider gets its name from reports of explorers from the Victorian era, who witnessed one eating a hummingbird. Habitat and ecology Theraphosa blondi is native to the rain forest regions of northern South America. Wild Goliath birdeaters are a deep-burrowing species, found commonly in marshy or swampy areas, usually liv...

David Wallace

google.co.nz/…

So this is supposed to be the Huntsman. I have to confess, my memory of this is a little hazy. It didn't help that the man whose house it was told me it was a Sydney Funnelweb, which it definitely wasn't.

Vitaly

Hahaha.

Well, that's a nice spider, too.

David Wallace

12:04

How is this incident funny?

Vitaly

Sorry. I just found the man's telling you it was a Sydney Funnelweb funny.

David Wallace

OK. A Sydney funnelweb is quite a small spider, but extremely venomous. A Huntsman is a huge spider, very unfriendly, with a painful but fairly harmless bite.

But I guess you knew that already.

Vitaly

Could you easily get treated with the antivenom back then? The Wiki article is telling me that the antivenom was developed in 1981.

David Wallace

This was 1988.

Vitaly

I have no idea what that means with regards to Australia. In the USSR, not every clinic had every available antivenom. You'd have to go to a bigger clinic, and could run out of time.

David Wallace

12:10

And I thought the word was "antivenin"?

Right, the key sentence is "Since the antivenom was developed in 1981, there have been no recorded fatalities from Sydney funnel-web spider bites."

Vitaly

I've never heard of antivenin. That's surprising to me because only the OED lists antivenom out of OED, AHD, Chambers, and Webster's. The last three list antivenin instead.

@DavidWallace Well, people could just be careful in general.

David Wallace

The closest dictionary to my hand is the New Zealand Oxford Dictionary, which has an entry for "antivenene", but lists both "antivenin" and "antivenom" as variants of this.

My beloved 1971 OED has none of these three words. That's very odd.

thefreedictionary.com redirects antivenom to antivenin.

wiktionary defines antivenin; and lists antivenom without defining it.

Vitaly

Well, I only remember encountering antivenom in various sources, but my exposure to English texts that could contain something like that could be limited.

(The above screenshot is OED Online.)

Gigili

@DavidWallace No worries, I know you well on that matter.

David Wallace

Oh, 'Ello!

Gigili

12:24

'Ello David. =)

Vitaly

Wikipedia (yeah, I know) has antivenin and antivenene as variants of antivenom.

David Wallace

@Gigili - we were just discussing large and scary spiders. Australia very kindly sends them to NZ.

Gigili

Whoa? So nice of them.

David Wallace

Are you going to buy a hat?

Gigili

I'm thinking about it, maybe.

David Wallace

12:27

How about a nice belt and some shoes to go with that?

Gigili

Umm, I should remind you that I am female. =\

David Wallace

You don't wear belts or shoes?

Gigili

No, I dislike belts.

But shoes, I might wear sometimes.

David Wallace

OK. Belts for women are popular here.

My wife has several.

Gigili

It's unusual here.

David Wallace

12:32

And shoes are a "sometimes" for you?

Gigili

Of course not, I was joking.

David Wallace

Aha, I am somewhat humour impaired at present, due to the time of day. My neighbours are having a loud party, and it is preventing my family from sleeping. I have called the authorities five times, with little result.

Robusto

@Vitaly I've always heard or read the term as antivenin.

Vitaly

So I wanted to check whether “belts for women” were universal in Western clothing styles. And I googled women belts wiki… OK.

David Wallace

Hehe, TMI in that result!

"Why do men's and women's belts fasten on opposite sides?" - are they serious?

Hey, I'm going to bed. It's 1:40 already. Good night everyone.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

12:41

All antivenin elements must be eradicated from the Soviet society.

Vitaly

Good night.

David Wallace

Good luck finding a hat, Giggli!

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Night David.

Robusto

I hate this rpriebe1979 with his Vigil spam.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Use Mimic.

Captors are a great card.

Robusto

12:43

I haven't built a Mimic deck.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Me, I am lazy, so I just threw in just one Captor in my usual LtW rush.

Vitaly did some experiments with four Captors and, um, Duncan, I believe?

Vitaly

Yeah.

You could use Hydraulis as well.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

I'm leaving the house in thirty minutes, for two hours, maybe four, hence the easy war for just +1 on top of the +1 we'll be getting from Joe Kings. I hope to attack Last Survivor later today for the fat points.

Robusto

The LtW strike/rush does the trick.

Vitaly

I am not satisfied with how it performs on Surge though. Too many Mimic misses because of Hierophant.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

12:48

Yeah I find Hierophant's Evade more annoying than Vigils.

Robusto

I am really close to level. Want me to save it for later?

RegDwight Ѭſ道

I guess so.

I don't think we'll lose either of these two.

Robusto

180 points away.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Yeah would be a pity to waste it on a +1 I guess.

Robusto

My luck I'll go 1/9 against whomever.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

12:51

Yeah. I swear I can hear the sound of whomever trembling in horror.

Anyways, me shower must real fast before bus gone.

Robusto

Fear my mighty 10% victory rate!

Really? The buses wait for you to finish your shower in Deutschland? Sweet.

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Q: correct usage of "so would"

Is this phrase syntaxically correct? Because "XXX" may take different forms, a priori so would "XXX". I am especially asking about the usage of "so would", but also about the place of "a priori".

usage

Yawn.

And for all you USSR Hobbit fans ...

retronaut.co/2010/07/the-soviet-hobbit

Gigili

@DavidWallace Thank you. Good night, sleep well.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

13:09

Over and out!

Robusto

Laterz.

Cerberus

15:33

Hi.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Aves.

Robusto

Hola.

So I just found out my boss is leaving. He hinted that he'd like me to follow him to the new place. Turmoil! Change! Gah!

RegDwight Ѭſ道

New place as in two blocks down the street, or new place as in Detroit?

Robusto

New place as in another part of the same town.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Well that's not quite as good as Detroit. I'd give it careful thought.

Robusto

15:40

Yeah. Detroit is second only to Beirut for livability.

0

Q: Autoload chaching faster way

I have an autoloader that is caching directories of class files. something like this. import("Core.App.Model"); //This will require (if I call Model class) the Core/App/Model.php. So the autoloader does self::$imports['Core.App.Model'] = 'Core/App/Model.php'; function import($import) {...

php php5

This guy is into monetizing. Seriously. Chaching!

Cerberus

No! Not Change!

Change bad!

RegDwight Ѭſ道

We live in a greedy little world that teaches every little boy and girl to earn as much as they can possibly.

Robusto

[Change] makes us rather bear those ills we have
Than fly to others that we know not of?

I wish I could autload my "chaching" ...

Aww, he edited the headline. I shouldn't have commented.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Wow I just got +10 for a two-year old one-liner.

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A: How do you work with a programmer with a radically different coding style?

That's a human communication issue. Just talk to each other. Not through code, in person.

How come that one's is neither migrated to Programmers, nor closed?

Robusto

Linkies.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

15:49

I have voted to migrate. There.

Robusto

Seasonal or permanent?

And +20 4 U now.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

OMG I am rich ka-ching

Now let me turn around and spend it foolishly.

Cerberus

@RegDwightѬſ道 Why are you a little turd now?

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RegDwight Ѭſ道

5 hours ago, by RegDwight Ѭſ道

It's an elephant hiding his head in the sand.

5 hours ago, by RegDwight Ѭſ道

Also, you're a turd.

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A: What does "E-Z" mean?

"E-Z" is a lazy way to write the word easy. This is in American English because, the letter z, is pronounced as "zee" in America. This is not in British English because, the letter z, is pronounced as "zed".

Why do we need this answer?

And while we're at it, why do we need this question?

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