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@Mitch :D

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6:28 AM

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user288256

8:49 AM

@Tonepoet Same here. I sometimes think of responses or things that I can't write here because this is public and all that. It is no fun, right? =)

Martin AJ

11:24 AM

Can please someone give me an alternative for this sentence? "deal with it". I never understand that.

11:39 AM

@MartinAJ "cope with it"

Martin AJ

better

depperm

11:58 AM

would it be appropriate to ask about how/when humor got 2 definitions?

@depperm yes, but be sure to check etymonline.com first

user288256

12:54 PM

In other places I'm seeing this from native speakers of English all the time: "Suppose to" instead of "Supposed to" and "Your" instead of "You are". Messing up my English too.

"Get used to it" or "get over it" @MartinAJ it depends on the context

"deal with it" is a bit aggressive

Actually, deal with means "take action about"

1:58 PM

@TheRaidersofLasVegas It could also mean 'reconcile your inner turmoil about it' which is the same as 'get over it'.

Yup

@MartinAJ in the above gif^ people who hate the raiders are being told to "take action about" it.

And then the eye patch is put on to tell the haters "we don't care"

2:44 PM

@TheRaidersofLasVegas they're being told to cope with it, rather than take action about it. they entire phrase is dismissive in that context, i.e. the raiders don't care what you do, just stop bothering them

2:57 PM

Take action about dealing with your hate = cope with it in your own way

But yes, just stop bothering them :-)

Case: dismissed

user288256

@Mitch Doesn't "get over it" sound rude when someone says it?

user288256

Don't answer. I know it is. =)

user288256

Or you could answer.

@Ghalib Yes. Just as rude as 'deal with it' or 'get used to it' or 'quit crying like a baby' or pretty much any imperative. 'be quiet' could be considered rude (but certainly way better than 'shut up')

@TheRaidersofLasVegas 'take action' usually means doing something physically rather than changing one's mind.

@Ghalib or I could say absolutely nothing and look sagacious and sublime

dammit

ruined

user288256

3:14 PM

@Mitch Yeah. Such phrases have no use but to show apathy or uncompassion or rudeness etc.

@Mitch Yeah, usually. But not always, again depending on context

user288256

Something like a boss would say.

@tchrist wait...isn't that just the cot-caught merger?

user288256

Correction: "An asshole boss".

@TheRaidersofLasVegas I'm pretty sure 'deal with it' is simply an admonition to reconcile onesself with the situation, not to start changing external circumstances.

"You don't like your job? Deal with it!" is not saying to quit but to just accept the situation.

3:18 PM

Yup.

user288256

@Mitch But it could also mean "you don't like you job? Feel free to apply to other places if you want and leave the company etc. etc." I am guessing right?

user288256

Or perhaps I am misinterpreting it?

@Ghalib no, deal with it = there's nothing you can do about it

user288256

@Mitch I mean not directly saying to quit but indirectly.

Again, it totally depends on context.

It can be said "light heartedly."

3:23 PM

@Ghalib 'meaning' usually means the direct meaning, and implications usually means what might then follow from the direct meaning. If you know what I mean.

@Ghalib No, it doesn't mean 'do something about it'. One might reason that this kind of attitude of 'deal with it' is not a good work environment and so I should look somewhere else, but that is not what the speaker intended.

@TheRaidersofLasVegas "You didn't like how the season opener of Game of Thrones turned out? Deal with it!"

Yup

@Mitch "deal with it" is not a good attitude. Deal with it

user288256

@Mitch If I used the word "implication" that would have been correct right?

A dealer, by definition, deals with it.

user288256

I don't know why, but the sentence is giving me that implication about quitting.

user288256

3:28 PM

I mean usually after or before phrases like "deal with it" an argument or a little fight follows or precedes and then people go separate ways (not always though).

Deal with it in your own way.

Just deal with it and get the job done.

user288256

Edit time is so little.

user288256

It sucks.

How you deal with it is not my concern.

What's the big deal?

@Ghalib what edit time?

You mean the grace period?

3:32 PM

To edit a message in chat.

Oh. Makes sense

We all have to deal with it.

An alternative option is becoming a mod on any site

Yup

muahahaha

3:40 PM

:O

@MattE.Эллен you haven't seen the last of me

Or have I?

I guess we'll never know

3:57 PM

@M.A.R. Yeah man

@Mitch "Yeah man. Deal with my dealing with it"

@Ghalib sure. indirect. implications. 'implicatures' is the fancy word linguists use in pragmatics.

I dealt with your reply. Deal with it

@Ghalib The more and more the same implications some with an utterance, they slowly become the meaning. eg see the 'you are as fat as a pig' question here in ELU

ab2

@Ricky I'd actually like you to deaccept beveled and accept champfered.

4:03 PM

@ab2 I was trying to decipher that for a while

And that didn't ping Ricky, @ab2

Ricky hasn't been present in this chat in the past seven days, so you can't ping him

user288256

@Mitch okay thanks. Why are you using that many periods?

user288256

I mean I am thinking you are wanting to write like this:

user288256

I.Am.A.Mad.Scientist.

user288256

:P

user288256

But you never write like kids here. So I am curious.

4:07 PM

@Ghalib it's a normal way to emphasize to use periods. But I think he used periods because those were real sentences

Like, he was pausing during saying them

user288256

@Mitch Are you sure you wrote this sentence correctly: "The more and more the same implications some with an utterance". "Same" and "some" what? I think I need another cup of tea to interpret that.

user288256

I am not trying to nitpick. I only mean well. You are a good person.

Cerberus

@Ghalib I think that is a typo: ~~some~~ → come.

user288256

Oh I see.

user288256

Thanks Cerberus.

ab2

4:20 PM

@M.A.R. Thanks.

@ab2 sure

4:35 PM

@Ghalib what Cerb said, typo. some->come

@Ghalib I understand you are trying to learn and so are anxious when you see a native speaker do something you didn't expect.

I mostly mean well, except when I don't

Also I know I am a good person. Even when I do bad things. There are some bad people who sometime do good things by accident. Or worse, they're so evil they try to convince others by doing good things to fool them. I hate those people.

4:56 PM

@Mitch I hate people who hate people.

@MetaEd I hate people who hate people who hate people

@M.A.R. You're trying to out meta me :D

There's this idea that emoji are bad for communication because they replace ambiguity and nuance with a limited set of preselected emotions, but it doesn't really survive a collision with real-world usage of the thinking face or upside-down smiley.

@MetaEd is that a sarcasm haha, cheerfulness haha, or thank-God-some-cooler-guy-is-replacing-me haha emoticon?

XD

/|\(;,;)/|\

Are you launching a rocket?

5:02 PM

Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn.

Oh oh, I know this one! I know this one

Imitating a crab

Hello guys, the blue square is back.

@JasperLoy looks like you've been in the sun for too long

Welcome back

Hey @M.A.R. I am not an imposter but I am not going to prove that now.

Imposter? o.o

No no, I was referencing blue jeans and the fact that their color wears out in the sun

Your older blue was darkerer

5:08 PM

@M.A.R. It was an unrelated remark that I made.

Well, my jokes are sometimes too nerdy for myself. I sometimes happen to read an old message and don't get what's funny about it.

5:29 PM

@Ghalib here, I was just being telegraphic (using as few words as possible to make a sentence.

One can also put a period after each word to show extreme emphasis. It's a pattern. You'll see.

Jul 27 at 1:27, by Mitch

Oh. My. God.

@Ghalib I never write like a kid? Pfft.

@MetaEd I don't know...sometimes they're OK. If they hate the right people.

@JasperLoy nice. very Greek

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@Mitch even goats?

5:54 PM

@MattE.Эллен Goats? They're no shows. I hate them

user288256

6:30 PM

@Mitch And me? I am known as an innocent and gullible person in real life. Everyone here (where I live) says I am those things but my divine compass is weak so I can be dishonest sometimes. Okay, not sometimes, I mean rarely.

user288256

So, in the spectrum of good to bad, I am somewhere in between. I am not all good.

user288256

I have done some evil things in real life. Like... I don't know... yeah like stealing another guy's girlfriend. It is not in my control sometimes. It just happens.

user288256

That's a talent too I guess.

user288256

I am not saying it is good or moral.

@MattE.Эллен I sent you an email earlier today about my new email address. That is also the one I am using for my SE account now. =P

6:37 PM

@JasperLoy cool :D

@MattE.Эллен Even my pic is fresh from the oven. I just took it in my room!

@JasperLoy daboodedaboodow

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7:12 PM

@JasperLoy mmm...oven fresh pics. With a melted matte finish.

@Ghalib 'Gullible' is not in the dictionary

user288256

@Mitch "'Gullible' is not in the dictionary" And I believe you. :P

If so, change your username to "Ghulib" :P

8:47 PM

@MattE.Эллен I don't even know what that means.

user288256

8:57 PM

@Mitch By the way, "people who sometime do good things " is a typo I am guessing? I would say "sometimes" there.

user288256

@Mitch I spent the entire last hour looking in the dictionary if the word "gullible" existed. And you are right, it doesn't. Dammit, I was looking for the wrong spelling with a single "l".

9:29 PM

@Ghalib Correct, I left out an 's'.

@JasperLoy I'm glad you said it. I thought everybody else understood what @MattE.Эллен said, and I just smiled and nodded to make it look like I did too.

9:59 PM

@Mitch That is correct sir, but gull is!

10:15 PM

@Mitch Hi, glad to see you are still here. You are the funniest and funnest guy in this chat now.

user288256

@Tonepoet No professor, that just means Emily Dickinson Lexicon isn't good enough. =)

user288256

Btw I almost never hear the second meaning of "gull". Do you?

user288256

The one you used.

@Ghalib It's quite rare, but I actually have if I recall correctly.

user288256

I see.

10:27 PM

@Ghalib On second thought, I'm not entirely clear on which definition you mean, so would you mind copying it to here?

user288256

Oh, it is fine.

user288256

wait...

user288256

@Tonepoet "Fool or deceive (someone)" From ODO.

user288256

@Tonepoet I mean to me "gull" is usually "A long-winged web-footed seabird with a raucous call, typically having white plumage with a grey or black mantle."

@Ghalib That's different than the one I supposed, but the statement stands nevertheness.

user288256

10:31 PM

@Tonepoet So which one did you suppose? There is this 'seabird' one and the 'cheat or deceive' one, there isn't a third.

@Ghalib There is a third one. Yours is a verb. My supposition was the noun for "somebody who is easily cheated".

Here's an example.

user288256

oh okay.

Also, I am quite surprised that this is the only instance for "What a gull he was!" on Google Books. I would've thought there'd be at least two or three instances of it.

user288256

@Tonepoet Tone your link isn't reaching the correct page but I found that sentence on my own.

@Ghalib Hmm, that's strange...

user288256

10:36 PM

Is it working for you?