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17:03
Aren't you sad about singular you?
Aren't you sad that English is now going the way of Dutch?
@Cerberus I never spoke early modern English, and by the time universal compulsory education came to be in the late 19th century I believe everybody had long stopped.
@Cerberus Not if this means we'll get better coffee and chocolate out of the deal!
So...
@tchrist Why in the world would you think that will happen?
We don't have those things here.
Dutch coffee is nice.
Have you ever tried English coffee?
I'd rather not...
17:11
Of course not!
We may have good coffee here, but it's hardly Dutch.
I rest my case. :)
Yes well.
I lament the death of persons everywhere.
American Spanish having lost its second-person plural and American Portuguese, both its second persons.
Now it's just you and me, and me and you.
Because we somehow stopped using the old, noble words gij and du, and we switched to plural jij, we had to come up with jijluiden "you people" for the plural, now abbreviated to jullie.
No matter how they jactan the alea.
Yall shoudna gone in done that.
And you're in the process of doing the same thing with y'all.
Isn't that saddening?
17:15
Pas moi, m'sieur, pas moi.
You're not saddening?
I even preserve the dual.
you vs you both
Incidentally, do your bank notes also get larger as their value goes up?
I don't think it was this way when we still had guldens.
@Cerberus The blind suffer.
On the contrary, I should think?
17:17
Our bills are NOT differentiable by the blind.
Okay, you didn't say it was about your bills.
> The United States is the only country that prints all denominations of currency in the same size.
Let's say it's the only country to do a number of things.
> Thanks to a lawsuit brought by the American Council of the Blind (ACB), the Treasury Department must make US currency accessible to blind and visually impaired Americans under the Rehabilitation Act of 1973. Unfortunately, the wheels of government grind slowly.
@tchrist Wait.. how would color help a blind person differentiate a bill denomination?
17:19
@Tonepoet Blind is not binary
Some people can see color blobs who cannot make our letters or figures.
You knew this, right?
Maybe not.
@tchrist It didn't say legally blind or colorblind, and I take it that unqualified blindness is to be interpreted as binary. XP
tsk
Just because you can't see doesn't mean you can't tell light from dark.
Not all eyes are aquiline.
Wouldn't visually impaired be better than blind?
Do you ever wear glasses?
It might, but it's a complex subject.
Partly blind.
17:23
@tchrist I suppose that's a valid point.
It seems guilders used to have different sizes too, I never knew.
I can't tell the lighthouse from the girasol.
I'm sure 50 was smaller than 100, etc.
The Dutch money was always the loveliest.
Meh.
The craziest.
17:26
Why crazy?
Because look at it.
Psychedelic.
I always liked it.
You forgot the curlew?
Is that a snip?
That's the snip.
17:30
Oh, it might be a snipe not a curlew.
I’m terrible with shorebirds.
That series was fine, yes.
But the newer series...
@Tonepoet I, err...that doesn't look like Dutch bank notes.
> Elections législatives : l’abstention au niveau national estimée à 50,2 %, un record
That's extreme.
It's probably also because they have two rounds.
And your vote for a smaller party is usually just thrown away, as it goes with winner-take-all elections.
@Cerberus I was mostly thinking the red and blue colors of the rectangles looked vaguely like the 10 and 25 denomination notes.
17:34
Why aren't the colors of the euronotes in order?
It runs violet, yellow, green, orange, blue, red, blah.
They're alternating warm and cold colors.
@Tonepoet Okay.
@tchrist You forgot 5!
@Cerberus Did not!
And what would this "order" be?
The fiver's blah.
I see.
17:37
It’s light black.
I would call it green.
Oh, I thought it was meant to be grey.
Grey-green-yellow?
There is an expression which sounds "there there" and will be used when you visit a person in trouble and means "don't worry ,your problem is not a big deal and will be fine". Does anybody know what's that expression?
17:40
@Shafizadeh Not offhand.
Kinda nondescript.
@Cerberus Roy G. Biv, of course. :)
Is that the rainbow or something?
This is what I has in my pocketses.
@tchrist except for sometimes in 'themself' as you yourselves pointed out
@Cerberus It's its ancient mnemonic.
Spectral order.
@Cerberus Yes, that's a mnemonic for Red Orange Yellow Green Blue Indigo Violet.
Okay.
But you want contrasts in the order.
17:43
I supposed that's why they flip them.
red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo, violet
We could probably squeeze other things in there.
cyan and celeste and cerulean.
@Cerberus "all y'all" is made up. or texan which is just as bad. nobody actually says that in actual use. unlessen you really want to emphasize that's it's all of y'all and nobody can choose to leave.
Okay, so...?
@Mitch Y'all better realize that's not the only way to singularize a pronoun, Mitch. =P
@Cerberus Are the 100s also green?
I have no opinion on these things.
Do you call the roll? Take attendance? Take roll? Which one does a normal teacher normally do in a normal class?
17:47
@Færd Take attendance.
Roll call sounds too military. :)
Thanks.
@Shafizadeh It's actually "there, there"
I'm not sure you "can't" say take role.
@tchrist Except Newton made up 'indigo' out of whole cloth.
@tchrist I never have those in my walletses.
17:49
@tchrist I know honor roll does. Irrelevant, maybe, though.
@tchrist role?
@Mitch oh, I was right! thx
@Mitch There are two distinct shades of purple in the rainbow, but I'd still call them both purple.
> aqua: A light greenish blue color.

aquamarine: Bluish-green (color); sea-color

azure: A bright blue pigment or dye; The clear blue color of the
unclouded sky, or of the sea reflecting it. (Originally, the deep
intense blue of more southern latitudes.)

bice: Brownish grey, dark grey. dark or dull blue.

blae: Of a dark color between black and blue; blackish blue; of the
color of the blae-berry; livid; also, of a lighter shade, bluish grey,
lead-colored.

bloness: Blackish blue quality; lividness; also, a wound of that color
@tchrist I got your point now :-)
@Tonepoet There are no purples in the rainbow!
By definition.
Purple is not a spectral color.
You're thinking of violet.
17:51
Almost the same.
Purple has both red and blue in it; it is not monochromatic. Violet is monochromatic.
@tchrist The next thing you're going to tell me is that blood isn't red, it's sanguine.
The rainbow is by definition composed of monochromatic hues and nothing else.
Purple is not monochromatic, and therefore cannot appear in the rainbow.
A spectral color is a color that is evoked by a single wavelength of light in the visible spectrum, or by a relatively narrow band of wavelengths, also known as monochromatic light. Every wavelength of visible light is perceived as a spectral color, in a continuous spectrum; the colors of sufficiently close wavelengths are indistinguishable. The spectrum is often divided into named colors, though any division is somewhat arbitrary: the spectrum is continuous. Traditional colors include: red, orange, yellow, green, blue, and violet. The division used by Isaac Newton, in his color wheel, was: red...
The rainbow is the the part on the curvy section.
@Tonepoet more of a melancholy
The straight line is the line of purples, and so cannot appear in the rainbow.
> The spectrum colors are the colors on the horseshoe-shaped curve on the outside of the diagram. All other colors are not spectral: the bottom straight line is the line of purples, whilst within the interior of the diagram are unsaturated colors that are various mixtures of a spectral color or a purple color with white, a grayscale color.
In color theory, the line of purples or the purple boundary is the locus on the edge of the chromaticity diagram between extreme spectral red and violet. Except for the endpoints, colors on the line of purples are not spectral. Line-of-purples colors and spectral colors are the only ones which are considered fully saturated in the sense that for any given point on the line of purples there exists no color involving a mixture of red and violet that is more saturated than it. There is no monochromatic light source able to generate a purple color. Instead, every color on the line of purples is produced...
17:56
It intersects with the horseshoe curve.
At pure red and pure blue, I suppose.
No, pure violet.
Ah.
And now you know why the rainbow can have no purples, only violet.
Purple did feel like a hybrid.
If you wrap around the scale of electromagnetic radiation, plus a rift in the space-time continuum, you'll get an excess of chronotron particles, which if you stare straight into infinity, gives a purple tinge
17:59
Riding in the purple sage forevermore.
I'm kinda upset now. spellcheck underlined 'chronotron'. If anything someone should go back in time and change that
is that shape a fin?
@caub It's called the "chromaticity space"
Oh so 'chromaticity' is OK, but 'chronotron' is not?
furiously writes letter
@Mitch Or just have a side view at a rainbow from the angle that mixes red and blue.
@Færd From the leprechaun's point of view
18:05
right* sorry
@Mitch Yeah.
@tchrist I don't quite follow. Are you complaining that because purple is a combination of red and blue, that it can't be monochromatic?
@caub Yes, I call those first ones 'crates' and the second ones either crates or boxes (because their made of cardboard and cardboard makes me want to say box
Ok, thanks both
@Tonepoet uh...he's not complaining. He's stating a physical fact
18:08
@Mitch You can complain with facts. =P
And it certainly seems to be a complaint against my use of the word purple.
I'm complaining that people mistakenly claim that some spectral colors are polychromatic.
I only know that gray is achromatic
Sep 19 '12 at 13:44, by tchrist
@Robusto “At first, when they were highest, they seemed merely grey; but as we watched they dropped toward us, and I saw they were of a hue for which I can find no name but that stands to achroma as gold to yellow, or silver to white.”
ah ok
You're right that there are no greys in the rainbow.
Nor blacks nor whites.
18:13
cornflower
rosebud
so confusing that it's not yellowy but bluish
@tchrist a nice infusion
In technical parlance, purple and violet mean different things.
In common parlance, everything means everything.
fuchisa :p
That's certainly a purple.
It's very hard to spell.
18:16
yes, sorry :))
> amarant: A purple color, being that of the foliage of Amarantus.

amethyst: The color of the amethyst, purple violet.

aubergine: A purple color resembling that of the fruit.

claret: The color of `claret;' [wine] in modern acceptation, a
reddish-violet.

crimson: The name of a color: of a deep red somewhat inclining towards
purple; of the color of an alkaline infusion of cochineal.

damson: Of the color of the damson (A small plum, black or dark purple,
the fruit of Prunus communis or domestica, variety damascena, which
Oh gee, it isn't in there.
@tchrist I've never cared for the technical redefinition of already existent words. All I know is that violet is the color of violet flowers, which is a faint mixture of red and blue which makes it a sort of purple...
@Tonepoet It's not a redefinition.
in French, we call that color "violet"
For violet it is.
And violet is not a mixture.
18:18
Well.
@tchrist My understanding is that there are only three primary colors of light and that everything else is a mixture...
I presume we're all looking at this using RGB monitors incapable of producing violet light. So we rely on metameric lookalikes.
it's exagerated
@Tonepoet No.
18:20
there's RGB, and RYB systems, it's all conventions
@Tonepoet there are three receptors with peaks at three different frequencies. but frequncy is a single continuum. and the red and blue receptors don't overlap. so a single frequency can't create purple.
it is obviously created by other means.
There are infinitely many spectral frequencies of visible monochromatic light, ranging from something like 380 to something like 700 nm.
No one of those is primary.
if you send out low and high frequencies from the same area, the are will look purplish
@tchrist: One of the interesting side effects of learning Spanish is that now I find myself understanding a lot of Italian when I hear it in movies, etc.
@tchrist So what about orange?
18:22
But if you choose the right three of them, the ones corresponding to the pigments in the three cones of the human eye, you can produce metameric equivalents to all colors we can see.
@Tonepoet What about orange?
@caub That purple almost looks maroon next to violet and magenta.
Is that monochromatic or not?
orange is a decayed yellow
brown is a decayed orange
:)
18:23
@Tonepoet It certainly can be.
or if you leave it long enough it might even turn a fuzzy blue
Wavelengths between 590 and 620 nanometers are generally considered orange.
@Robusto Yes, that happens.
@Mitch The long cones have a slight response to the short frequencies.
But very little.
Below 500, none.
Color vision is the ability of an organism or machine to distinguish objects based on the wavelengths (or frequencies) of the light they reflect, emit, or transmit. Colors can be measured and quantified in various ways; indeed, a person's perception of colors is a subjective process whereby the brain responds to the stimuli that are produced when incoming light reacts with the several types of cone cells in the eye. In essence, different people see the same illuminated object or light source in different ways. == Wavelength and hue detection == Isaac Newton discovered that white light splits into...
Color is something that occurs only in the human mind. Spectral frequency is not color. There are infinitely many combinations of polychromatic light whose tristimulus response elicits the same color in the human observer's mind.
I would ask you what you meant by color.
You can buy LEDs, which are effectively monochromatic, that emit light at 400nm.
No human observer who looks at that would call that blue, but a low-grade digital camera might.
You be universally perceived as blue, you need something closer to 450 nm.
But 400 or 410? Not blue.
@tchrist They didn't have digital cameras by 1914, which was the last date the full C.D.C. was printed...
@Tonepoet I'm not following.
@Robusto Polivert?
@tchrist I don't know. A friend linked it to me.
But it gets to the core of the issue.
The core of the issue is to steal zillions from poor people to give to rich people.
They don't care about health. They care about rich people getting richer.
Of course. The TV spot just shows what that means to people who can't afford to keep their kids from dying under Trumpcare.
18:49
Follow the money. Don't be distracted.
Mob bosses, crime syndicates, oligarchs.
Call that the same thing if you please, but none have any interest in the rule of law.
Problem is, the Republican reaction seems to be "Sure he lied, cheated and stole, and continues to do so. What is that, a crime?"
Stunning, isn't it?
@tchrist Did you examine the violet entry at the link I gave?
18:53
It's only illegal when the bad guys do it.
And our guys are never bad.
Yeah.
Jeff Sessions wants to lock up more people of color for longer and longer sentences, but his own lying under oath? No problem!
I wonder how many uncorrectable crimes, and how grave, must necessarily be perpetrated upon the nation and the world before the wheels of justice grind them slowly down.
Some evils we will be able to fix once the perpetrators are jailed or passed. Others, we will not.
@Tonepoet Saying that blue and violet are "the same color" calls into question what "color" means.
@tchrist He has all the maturity, probity, forbearance and wisdom of a young King Joffrey, the first of his name.
Don't forget ever-growing dementia at work on a bulb that was never very bright in the first place.
His second childhood? That would explain a lot.
Check the date on that.
19:05
@Robusto That.
You have to watch the whole thing, but it's quite convincing.
Nixon's approval rating was still at 25% when he resigned.
I believe I've seen that before. But looking at it again, yes, it's absolutely chilling. Even more chilling is the fact that there is no lack of apologists for this delusional would-be dictator.
So perhaps 25% of the electorate doesn't mind if their president commits crimes in office. They just want their side in power.
When W's approval rating hit 27% and stuck there, The New Yorker opined that perhaps at last we've been able to quantify "the number of people you can fool all of the time."
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It's easy to get to 27 percent if half the voters are Republicans, and half the populace is below average.
I don't believe there is anything that Trump could do to go below that threshold.
Anything.
19:19
Not with Fox News spinning every travesty, every calamity, and blaming it on the Democrats.
@tchrist Raise taxes to 100% without qualification and you'll have a revolt on your hands no matter who's president. XP
He could send Comey to Guantánamo, fire Mueller, drop nuclear bombs on Pyongyang: nothing matters.
@Tonepoet Not if he raises them on people who aren't voting for him.
For 25% of the populace, there is nothing that would cause them to lose allegiance.
@tchrist First, a revolt may occur in the form of a civil war, rather than anything to do with the election, so no. Second, that's a qualification. XP
@Tonepoet It doesn't take a peasant revolt to off the emperor, only a revolt of his Praetorian Guard when he orders them to nuke somebody.
You may take what you will of that as metaphorical in nature if you prefer.
19:25
@tchrist We're talking about ways somebody might reduce his approval rating below 27%. XP
@Robusto Are they really that bad, and that slow?
Hahaha, yup.
@Tonepoet Taxes originate in the House.
I stopped watching the series after a few seasons, and I have never read the books.
But the world did not appeal to me very much.
19:27
Some elements were good, like the existence of the wall.
Republican morality? ^
And the dwarf.
Everything else was unoriginal.
So far as I can remember.
@tchrist Well yes, the President is meant to be rather impotent. Regardless, just because congress probably wouldn't pass such a bill, doesn't mean that they can't, and what the congress can do, the president can do once presented with the opportunity. Also, on that particular provision, constitutional loopholes may exist. I've heard of the senate gutting a bill of all but name....
19:41
There's something I don't understand: why is the Senate Judiciary Committee so keen on bringing in people who have already testified to the Intel Committee? Because they're focusing on crimes rather than on spies?
@tchrist Probably they're trying to find the "leakers" ...
No, this is Feinstein.
Why would she, who sits on Intel and already asked Comey questions there, want him to come back for Judiciary?
Hmm, dunno.
Perhaps she hopes to "get" Sessions.
I don't know why Puerto Rico is voting for statehood; the Republicans will never allow 2 more Democratic senators in, or even 5 more reps.
They'll simply ignore them.
Yeah, never gonna happen.
Was thinking that exact thought this morning.
19:54
They don't care about the country or about its people. All that matters is their own power.
All that matters is how well they serve their real masters.
Paymasters.
We're losing track of Russia again.
Worrying about little things like obstruction of justice and perjury.
When in fact we've been attacked by a foreign power.
Well, when your real masters are Russian ...
I rest my case.
It's unclear how much the Republican Congressional caucus is in the same paid-for-by-Putin camp. It doesn't look like much.
@tchrist Can it happen when there is a Democrat majority?
19:58
@Cerberus Only if they have a super-majority to override Trump's veto.
And when he's gone?

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