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Tonepoet
Tonepoet
00:03
@WillHunting It's 24 now and more than I ever got, although I anticipate getting more for that suffixes answer since the questioner put a bounty on it meaning it'll be in the featured questions queue for another six days just about.
user227867
@Tonepoet Probably put a bounty to reward you for your brilliant answer. There is nothing more to be answered.
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
@WillHunting He commented that he wants more opinions, which is fair. I think there's more to be said on the subject myself, esp. regarding if there's any overlap.
user227867
@Tonepoet What do you think of my answer? I am a little unsure here:
user227867
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Q: Meaning of "ubiquitous as the humble sheep"

Francis DrakeIn the foreword for a knitting book there's this passage: Knitting has become as ubiquitous as the humble sheep. Which is followed by a couple more sentences on how great it would be to learn how to knit etc. I've googled "the humble sheep", and haven't had any success. Is the phrase roug...

idioms metaphors
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
@WillHunting The first assertion that sheep are ubiquitous is reasonable. The humble part seems more like a random guess. It lacks reference altogether. I'd be more willing to guess it's because they're literally the very definition of sheepish, if you catch my drift. Now you have two votes though, so you also have to consider your constituents. XP
user227867
00:16
@Tonepoet Wait, does sheepish mean humble???
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
@WillHunting My impression without checking a dictionary is more along the lines of meek and shy, which are humble traits in a sense.
user227867
@Tonepoet Oh well, nonetheless I think what I typed is one reasonable interpretation. =P
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
@WillHunting Here's how Noah Webster defines it:

SHEE'PISH, adjective

1. Like a sheep; bashful; timorous to excess; over-modest; meanly diffident.
2. Pertaining to sheep.
user227867
@Tonepoet In a way, modulo many things, sheep = humble = meek = generous, something like that...
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
"Overmodest" and "humble" are very closely related concepts.
I can't really get over how much I like the Fine Dictionary website. Putting the C.D.C. and Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary together makes things rather convenient for me, plus they put in so much effort into compiling extra data.
I wish I knew which edition of Chamber's 20th Century Dictionary they used though.
user227867
00:36
@Tonepoet Isn't there only one edition of that? I am not sure.
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
I'm not so sure either.
user227867
I think there is one Chambers 20th Century Dictionary, and also one Chambers 21st Century Dictionary.
user227867
Now the current Chambers Dictionary actually is the successor to the 20th Century Dictionary, and the 21st Century Dictionary is out of print and has only very few entries.
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
How strange. 20th Century Fox kept their name throughout the century.
user227867
Maybe Kit Fox is the owner of 20th Century Fox?
Mitch
Mitch
01:19
@WillHunting They should change the name to 21st Century Fox.
tchrist
tchrist
01:53
@M.A.R. *Questions about ungrammatical passives are hated be me.
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
@tchrist The second exemplary sentence reminds me of this for reasons none of you will understand:
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tchrist
tchrist
🍌 🍌 🍌 👺 👺 👺
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
02:23
@tchrist That emoticon is called Japanese Goblin? That's funny because it looks more like a tengu than an oni. Also a word to the wise, I doubt any of you will actually like that video in that second link so click at your own discretion. XP
Færd
Færd
03:23
I would guess this is where the phrasal verb fan out comes from:
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user227867
03:52
Finally got 1000 rep, phew!
SpringLearner
SpringLearner
06:10
hello everyone
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
06:33
@tchrist The time when the world stops trying to passivize things is wanted to be seen by me.
 
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user227867
08:05
Aaaaaah
terdon
terdon
08:38
@Mitch Fuck science!
I would like to defend my answer though, as silly as it admittedly is.
user227867
09:03
I got 29 votes for a double line answer, lol.
user227867
The consolation is that at least it is not a single line answer, lol.
user227867
Also, the number of lines may depend on the font size in your browser, lol.
user227867
I set mine to size 12 in Mozilla Firefox which is quite small, lol.
user227867
09:48
There are some very good questions on the site now.
Knu
Knu
10:55
Hi, I am searching questions about "or" and its usage for list of 3 items or more.
But I can't find them since the keyword OR is not search query friendly…
Anyone got a clue?
terdon
terdon
Nope. SE search isn't very good. What are you trying to answer though? Yes, using or for more than 2 items is absolutely fine and normal.
Knu
Knu
Do I have to repeat it every single times? @terdon
terdon
terdon
Will John or Dick or Mary or Harry or Sue please help me
Knu
Knu
> Please pick an apple, orange or oatmeal.
terdon
terdon
@Knu That's not a sentence
Knu
Knu
11:01
@terdon better?
terdon
terdon
> Please pick either an apple, or an orange or oatmeal.
The devil's in the details though. For example: Please pick one of blue, red or green
But not *Please pick one of apple, orange or oatmeal.
That's because oatmeal isn't countable. It will always depend on the exact sentence you want to say.
Knu
Knu
well I guess Ill first have to know how to formulate my question. Thanks anyway.
terdon
terdon
@Knu You'll probably have better luck getting your answer if you ask on English Language Learners instead.
user227867
11:19
@tonepoet I rep-capped yesterday and again today. Whee!
M.A.R.
M.A.R.
11:46
i.imgur.com/gCuYmeT.mp4
Mitch
Mitch
12:43
@terdon To be honest, your answer is much better than all the others. That's why I bothered to give information to make it better. Negatives are difficult to support (you can't give all possible instances where something doesn't work).
tchrist
tchrist
13:18
What’s the difference between spigotry and spiggoty?
> “What is a plate that talks and sings?” demanded LeRoy, waving the pillow.

“ ’S that a con-undrum?”

“A phonograph record, you gump!”

In less than half a minute Warren was up fumbling in his trousers’ pocket. “Four dollars spiggoty for donkey hire,” said he, “that leaves two—four—five—seven. Can we get a phonograph for fifteen dollars”
Poor gump! Sure takes him a long time to stand up.
Wait, what’s a gump, greenwood?
> The big legislative initiatives included a transcontinental railroad bill, the first effort at a comprehensive revision of the tariff, tax and revenue cuts, “spigotry,” as budget-cutting came to be known, and establishing a Justice Department.
wonders how one pronounces ’S that
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That doesn’t help me much with spiggoty dollars.
Wait, no. It’s postpositive!
It’s actually dollars Spiggoty, and is used that way more than once in the cited source.
SP$15
Ok, now guess what a herring choker is!
Aw come on, you guys are no fun!
Snoosers!
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Snoosers and herring chokers are actually scandihoovians!
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
13:36
Aw, I would have guessed that a herring-choker is a wanker
tchrist
tchrist
Of the male persuasion, or of the female? :)
Cerberus
Cerberus
I didn't know masculinity was a persuasion.
Who persuaded you?
tchrist
tchrist
Errol Flynn.
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That’s footnote 4 from the herring choker cite.
Wow, this gets even better!
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Cerberus
Cerberus
Ah, is the capote that old?
tchrist
tchrist
This is, of course, HL Mencken writing here.
@Cerberus Which one is that?
Cerberus
Cerberus
13:43
Your first image.
Speaks of the capote before the Entente Cordiale.
Which was...I forgot.
Around 1890?
Perhaps it was made of gut.
Like tennis rackets.
tchrist
tchrist
Oh wait, you mean capote Anglaise, not Truman. :)
Cerberus
Cerberus
Truman?
terdon
terdon
@Mitch I find your point about the adjective interesting. I'd always thought that parts of speech are as parts of speech do. So if I'm using something as an adjective, then that's what it is.
Cerberus
Cerberus
Wasn't Truman around WW1 or 2?
tchrist
tchrist
Truman Capote
Truman Garcia Capote (/ˈtruːmən kəˈpoʊtiː/; born Truman Streckfus Persons, September 30, 1924 – August 25, 1984) was an American novelist, screenwriter, playwright, and actor, many of whose short stories, novels, plays, and nonfiction are recognized literary classics, including the novella Breakfast at Tiffany's (1958) and the true crime novel In Cold Blood (1966), which he labeled a "nonfiction novel". At least 20 films and television dramas have been produced of Capote novels, stories, and plays. Capote rose above a childhood troubled by divorce, a long absence from his mother, and multip...
Cerberus
Cerberus
13:45
Ah, never read him.
terdon
terdon
So, I think he's fucked is very much like he's fast. However, you're quite right that the fucked man doesn't quite work, unlike the green man. How about the made man though? As in "our friend", made. Isn't that an adjective?
tchrist
tchrist
Isn’t what an adjective?
Made?
In a made man?
Yes.
Cerberus
Cerberus
@terdon Some adjectives cannot or are preferable not used before their noun. But what about it?
terdon
terdon
Context:
Sorry to piss on the parade, but I have to call you on a couple. That's not a conjunction and that's not a pronoun. Or if they are then every interjection I can think of could act like a conjunction. Likewise many nouns like a pronoun. Also, your adjective is not modifying a noun, it's a verbal past participle. Also... you can't think of 'fuck' used by itself as the plain primary verb from where this all came? We've all been entertained thoroughly; I humbly submit this in the interest of science. — Mitch 19 hours ago
tchrist
tchrist
I never want to hear a man grown again.
terdon
terdon
13:47
And the rest of that comment thread between Mitch and myself.
Cerberus
Cerberus
By "our friend", you mean our homo not-quite novus?
terdon
terdon
@Cerberus No, I mean mob-speak for "one of us".
Cerberus
Cerberus
Ah, I thought you meant Trump.
terdon
terdon
Heh, no. He's just fucked.
Cerberus
Cerberus
Heh.
tchrist
tchrist
13:49
@terdon We. Should. Be. So. Plucky.
terdon
terdon
Yeah. . . Here's hoping.
Cerberus
Cerberus
I've posted a counter-comment.
tchrist
tchrist
All you guys’ comments are so much unindelible flag bait, alas.
Cerberus
Cerberus
?
Seeing all of those questions closed really demotivates me.
tchrist
tchrist
@Cerberus It only takes a single flag from anybody to zap them out of existence, and I can't fix those.
Cerberus
Cerberus
14:01
Then the censorship system is entirely broken.
Oh, well.
What's new.
tchrist
tchrist
@Cerberus Which ones would you see reöpened? I ask not to argue but to fix.
Cerberus
Cerberus
I saw a question about whether aristocracy and Aristotle are related.
tchrist
tchrist
Was it closed for GR?
Cerberus
Cerberus
It said "too little research".
Which I think is stupid.
But w'evs.
The result of this policy is that it basically breaks the way SE should work: instead of in an answer, the desired answer will now come in a comment.
But I suppose that doesn't matter.
Nobody but SE really cares about answer scores and such.
MetaEd
MetaEd
Luke Skywalker - I care
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Mitch
Mitch
14:05
@Cerberus That comment is more general. Is a noun-adjunct (a noun modifying another noun) a noun or an adjective?
@MetaEd Thank you.
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mitch I'm sorry, I can't parse your sentence.
Is it a question?
Mitch
Mitch
ftfmyself
Cerberus
Cerberus
Gracias.
But my comment was not about whether it was a noun?
Mitch
Mitch
but likewise for any word with a primary part of speech.
so is 'fuck' in 'fuck face' an adjective or a verb or what?
tchrist
tchrist
@Cerberus "Answer scores"?
Cerberus
Cerberus
14:07
Oh, well, I wasn't commenting on that one.
Mitch
Mitch
Oh.
Then which one?
tchrist
tchrist
Ok, time for $job. I need to trust the rest of you to fix any prurient chat flags that come our way for all this.
Cerberus
Cerberus
@tchrist If there are no answers, you can't see how many people voted an answer up or down.
Good luck.
@tchrist For all this?
Did something happen?
@Mitch You said he is fucked is not an adjective, and I disagreed.
tchrist
tchrist
Fuck face tends to attract flaggers.
Cerberus
Cerberus
Oh, puh-lease.
Mitch
Mitch
14:09
@tchrist oh. should we 'f*' everything then?
Cerberus
Cerberus
The best way to live with censorship is to ignore it and move on.
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus I'm sorta OK with past participles being both verbs and adjectives, sometimes.
Cerberus
Cerberus
As long as it happens afterwards, you can do that and be none the worse for it.
Mitch
Mitch
But 'fed' is not the same word as 'f'
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mitch Thank you.
Mitch
Mitch
14:10
and the question is about 'f*' not some derivation of it.
Cerberus
Cerberus
The Federal bank thingy?
You commented on Terdon's classification of fucked as an adjective, didn't you?
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus There's censorship of the 'The King should be deposed because of his isolationist policies' kind and there's censorship of 'my teacher crossed out my use of "f*-face" to describe the king'.
@Cerberus yes
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mitch As long as they can't imprison you, you can just put the thought out of your mind and speak like you normally would.
Mitch
Mitch
I'll grant that 'f*-ed' could be an adjective (I'd kind of like more support, but I'll accept that for now. But 'f*-ed' is not the same word as 'f*' and that is what the question is about.
@Cerberus They know what I'm really thinking though.
Cerberus
Cerberus
But your comment was also about fucked as in he is fucked.
Mitch
Mitch
14:14
I did an experiment where I thought real hard and I was imprisoned. But when I stopped thinking I got out.
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mitch You must stop worshipping your censors like gods; it's the Stockholm Syndrome.
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus Let's put aside 'f*-ed' for the moment.
Cerberus
Cerberus
But that was all I was talking about.
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus But what if you really like Stockholm? Maybe your captors are very convincing.
Cerberus
Cerberus
Oh, and about fuck as a conjunction, about which I agreed with you.
Stockholm is nice; its syndrome less so.
Mitch
Mitch
14:15
Also calling out Stockholm syndrome is traitor-baiting. maybe the other side is right.
Cerberus
Cerberus
Traitor?
terdon
terdon
@Mitch Yes. And, in fact, fucked was explicitly forbidden. I must have missed that.
But if not a conjunction, what is fuck in I went swimming, fuck the cold?
Mitch
Mitch
Yes. Team A calls out team member A51 for when captured by team B for turning to team B. A51 can be seen as a traitor to A
terdon
terdon
I quite agree that the sentence wouldn't be quite street legal in an English Lit department, but it is something that is used.
Mitch
Mitch
@terdon I have no idea how to read that sentence, parse it, put emphasis, to get meaning.
Cerberus
Cerberus
14:17
@terdon A verb, at least originally.
You have two main clauses separated by a missing semicolon.
As a verb it would be an imperative.
terdon
terdon
@Mitch Imagine it being said by Avon Barksdale.
Mitch
Mitch
As in 'f* the poe-leece'?
terdon
terdon
@Cerberus I'm thinking of something like I'll do it and fuck the consequences. But contorted into I'll do it, fuck the consequences.
Cerberus
Cerberus
I went swimming. [Go] fuck the cold, as a sign to show that I disregard its feelings.
terdon
terdon
@Mitch As that sort of register, that dialect.
Mitch
Mitch
14:19
how can that possibly be a conjunction between two parallel objects?
Cerberus
Cerberus
@terdon I understood why you phrased it like that.
terdon
terdon
@Cerberus I'm trying to force fuck to do the job of despite. I freely admit I might just be failing. Miserably.
Cerberus
Cerberus
Despite is a preposition.
terdon
terdon
@Cerberus What?
Really?
Cerberus
Cerberus
A conjunction introduces a full clause, i.e. a clause with a finite verb.
> *She killed me, despite she loved me.
Mitch
Mitch
14:21
'f*' has many subtle variations in semantics/usages. But it doesn't readily cross POS borders. 'set' 'get' and 'run' are super polysemic but pretty much just verbs. POS is one aspect of semantics, but there are an infinite nuumber of other dimensions to work with almost entirely lexical (vs grammatical)
Cerberus
Cerberus
You will see that this is wrong.
Although is a conjunction with the same meaning.
@Mitch I find your self-censorship offensive!
Although your words are wise.
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus haha. * you -, you *-ing *
terdon
terdon
@Cerberus Hmm. OK. Well, I admit I had to first look up about half of those POS to figure out what they are and then tried to fit fuck into them, so I'm not going to defend the answer too much. It was fun to write though :)
I really think that using f*ck on this post is stretching reasonable propriety to its breaking point. The whole post is about fuck and its linguistic versatility, I think we should be allowed to write it. At the very least, it makes absurdly incomprehensible sentences like @long's example a bit easier to parse. — terdon Mar 6 '14 at 2:37
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus @tchrist just told us to. I'm OK with that. it's not like anything is lost. Don't want to step on toes.
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mitch You fucksquare!
terdon
terdon
14:24
He told us to be careful. However, the use vs mention distinction clearly applies here.
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mitch He didn't!
terdon
terdon
@Cerberus That's use! Dammit!
tchrist
tchrist
@Mitch No, I didn't mean to say to do this. I simply warned you that you might get an auto-chat-suspension if you aren't careful.
Cerberus
Cerberus
He just warned us that there might be crazy flaggers.
Jinx.
tchrist
tchrist
At least, that was my thinking.
Mitch
Mitch
14:25
@terdon There are lots more POS's than those latinate 8. Or rather, the classification is not so cut and dried, and each language should have it's own (even if it is like the structure of phonetic features, each language has its own subset and accent).
Cerberus
Cerberus
@terdon You did a fun job.
terdon
terdon
@Mitch Yeah, I figured that one out.
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus I don't know what that is so I'm hurt even worse!
You... you... person!
Cerberus
Cerberus
@terdon And so what!
tchrist
tchrist
@Mitch There's enough azulejo in here to fix it should things go a whiskey and rye.
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Mitch
Mitch
14:26
@terdon I would have thought that use/mention would cover all manner of 'egregiousessnesses'.
Cerberus
Cerberus
@Mitch I'm sure it'll be some sort of implement.
Mitch
Mitch
But what if quotes are only sarcasm 'quotes'?
terdon
terdon
Here, I fixed the banned -ed verb form:
> Verb: "I love to fuck while eating duck."
Mitch
Mitch
@Cerberus Oh. well fuck that then
Cerberus
Cerberus
Indeed.
@terdon So that is a verb?
terdon
terdon
14:28
Uhm. It has a to!
I love to run?
Cerberus
Cerberus
Although infinitives can be analysed as nouns.
terdon
terdon
Uhm. I love running.
Cerberus
Cerberus
What are you trying to say?
terdon
terdon
Come on, do I need to write I fuck, you fuck, we all fuck for Peking Duck or something?
Cerberus
Cerberus
No, but I don't know what you're trying to do here.
tchrist
tchrist
14:29
@terdon You missed thou fuckst not.
terdon
terdon
Just demonstrate a clear use of the word fuck as a verb.
Cerberus
Cerberus
Ah OK.
Mitch
Mitch
@terdon Yay! That works. And poetic too! So sublime! Ozymandias...pfft
terdon
terdon
@tchrist I wouldn't presume to know.
Cerberus
Cerberus
I was trying to confirm that.
It was clear enough for me.
terdon
terdon
14:30
@Mitch Isn't that the guy who bit the head of a live bat?
Mitch
Mitch
@terdon I recommend not. Duck is very greasy and it could get quite messy.
user227867
@Mitch I see you rejected an edit on my answer. Good. That edit did not serve any purpose. Perhaps the editor wanted me to conform to American punctuation, not knowing that British punctuation differs.
Mitch
Mitch
I've heard
tchrist
tchrist
Mexican ducks.
terdon
terdon
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Mitch
Mitch
14:31
@tchrist he fuckth the sixth sick quick chick
terdon
terdon
Mexicans ducking.
user227867
I just had a huge dinner again.
tchrist
tchrist
Mexicans royal-ducking.
Mitch
Mitch
@WillHunting Oh. That guy was editing things left and right to put punctuation inside quotes.
That's crazy.
I don't care British or American or Martian, it disobeys all manner of use-mention processing.
user227867
@Mitch I am sure he means well, but has not read at least 9000 books on punctuation like me.
tchrist
tchrist
14:33
@WillHunting title = "this is a problem;"
Mitch
Mitch
@WillHunting What was on the menu?
tchrist
tchrist
@Mitch pato y pavo
Mitch
Mitch
@WillHunting It's annoying.
@tchrist peacock paws? eww... chewy as rubber
tchrist
tchrist
@Mitch gourmet.com/recipes/1950s/1951/12/peacock.html
user227867
@Mitch Hotdog bun, yam pie, soy sauce chicken, breaded shrimp, fried egg, tender broccoli, cold water. All this followed by a visit to the bathroom to flush everything out, and a cold shower to refresh body and mind. Woo!
tchrist
tchrist
14:36
pato=duck pavo=turkey pavo real=peac*ck
Mitch
Mitch
@tchrist I used to pronounce it as 'awe - ree'. I never knew!
tchrist
tchrist
pata=mrs duck or your paw
Mitch
Mitch
@tchrist "every time we see one of those fine-feathered fellows strutting around the local zoo, we can't help thinking how handsome he would look on a silver serving platter!"
Ewww again
terdon
terdon
@Mitch Yes! I only found out a few years ago and was mortified. I'd been reading the word most of my life and it always rhymed with hairy or airy in my mind. It took me ages to shift to awRYE
Mitch
Mitch
or if you're a cannibal, going to a theme park must seem like a fountain of luxury
tchrist
tchrist
14:38
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Mitch
Mitch
a luxurious fountain of dipping chocolate
@tchrist peacack? enough with your shitty legumes
terdon
terdon
@tchrist Oh, wow. That's Trump as a bird!
tchrist
tchrist
No cacophony in this chat.
Mitch
Mitch
@terdon Another example of sometimes people just won't tell you.
Except somebody did tell me with 'awry'. So I guess there's hope for civilization afterall. Except I think that person who told me is a jerk.
Sep 8 at 18:44, by Mitch
I cock my hat at you, good sir!
Let's not pussyfoot around it
Pussy Riot's music sounds like a cat-fight
terdon
terdon
Just don't bring up niggardly.
user227867
14:47
@Mitch I learnt from SE that the jerk is the derivative of acceleration with respect to time.
Mitch
Mitch
Pances pouces, et pousse pencées
@terdon I'm hearing 'denigrate' a lot.
@WillHunting and snap is the ... oh other way around, acceleration is the derivative of jerk.
Jerk is the derivative of snap
I'm working on more 'pussy' puns, bear with me.
It's hard work.
Nope that's all I got.
@tchrist Pensée, poussée, pouce et pincée
Chat is a catastrophe
What do you think of the 'grammar checker/translator/language helper' ludwig?
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
15:40
@tchrist I knew you wouldn't like that Japanese Goblin video. =P
Færd
Færd
16:13
> What does it matter?
> What is that your business?
> ...
These are more of why rhetorical questions, right?
I mean the whats mean why more or less.
 
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Shafizadeh
Shafizadeh
17:47
Which one is more better as a validation error message?
- Your comment should made of at least 10 characters
- Your comment should be at least 10 characters
- Your comment should be containing at least 10 characters
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
18:05
@Shafizadeh I think #2 is often used. Personally I'd prefer if it said "long" afterwards but error messages never were good at making complete sentences.
Shafizadeh
Shafizadeh
18:24
@Tonepoet ah ok, thx
Mitch
Mitch
19:13
@Færd correct
The first one is like 'So what?'. Usually to say 'that's irrelevant'. But it could have a response even though it is intended to shut things down.
SmokeDetector
SmokeDetector
19:52
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Repeating characters in answer: Writing out heartbeat sound by elizabeth on english.stackexchange.com
user227867
20:21
Never got so many upvotes in a day before. Seriously overcapping now.
user227867
They should have a feature where if you cap, you can give some of your votes to a friend.
user227867
@Tonepoet My familiarity with dictionaries came in helpful in my "youth" answer, lol.
user227867
I cannot believe that "ang moh" has trickled down into oxforddictionaries.com
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
22:04
@WillHunting Actually I think you may've acted a little prematurely there. Esp. isn't only. It means the word is more likely to apply in those cases. Noah Webster's definition includes males and females in the third sense, while the Century Dictionary and Cyclopedia's definition of "A young person; especially, a young man. In this sense it has a plural" more clearly marks it as a mere implication.
user227867
@Tonepoet Yes. I know especially isn't only. It's all about the corpus data. They write the entries as such because of the majority of cases.
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
Thinking back to the contexts I've heard the word in, gender often is not a relevant distinction. In recent decades the words "male youths" have even been used, which seems to indicate that youth does not sufficiently note masculinity.
Although the gender specified cases are comparatively rare.
I also learned that humble has a meaning of hornless.
user227867
@Tonepoet I think I will edit my answer to give more weight to the female case then.
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
@WillHunting Don't be too hasty. I'm having difficulty fully affirming it with context.
user227867
@Tonepoet I have edited my answer. I think it is better now. I did not really change my mind. I merely emphasized different things more based on the dictionary entries.
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
22:15
@WillHunting I see.
user227867
@Tonepoet Please take a look to see if you like it more now. =)
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
It looks like there are deleted comments under your answer. What's Edwin going on about?
user227867
@Tonepoet Nothing. He just did not know what Oxford calls various dictionaries, and I shared my expertise on dictionaries with him and deleted the comment after that. =)
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
Yeah, Oxford's naming scheme is beyond ridiculous.
user227867
@Tonepoet Thank you for your input. I really like my answer now that I have edited it. It is also closer to my heart. I really want youth to refer to both sexes, because I am not sexist. =)
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
22:25
@WillHunting No problem, although it should be noted that a word signifies what it signifies irrespective of personal preference, unless it's defined by personal preference. =P
user227867
@Tonepoet Well, that is a deep topic, about descriptivism versus prescriptivism. I cannot comment on that since I have not read 1860 pages of the Cambridge Grammar of the English Language. =)
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
@WillHunting So you have read 1859? ;-) More importantly though I don't think it's the sort of debate a textbook can conclude, even if it is a highly scholarly work.
C.G.E.L. is definitely descriptive though.
user227867
@Tonepoet I am waiting for your 1870 pages of grammar to be published in a decade. =) You write the book and I will design the front cover, which will be monotonic blue.
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
Recently I learned that blue is the color of Munchkins.
And that only witches where white...
user227867
@Tonepoet "The Tonepoet Grammar of the English Language (cover design by Will Hunting) --- the most comprehensive grammar of English today"
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
22:35
More like the least comprehensive. I know virtually nothing about the subject.
Maybe you should write the book and I should write the glossary. =P
user227867
You can compile the index, which is different from the glossary. =)
user227867
@Tonepoet I watched three very nice movies, Blue Car, Blue Desert, and Blue Velvet. =P
user227867
Oh I forgot, there is also Blue Lagoon: The Awakening.
user227867
And I forgot, the Tonepoet grammar will also be the most "authoritative", LOL.
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
I rarely ever watch movies.
user227867
22:51
I am very happy with my now edited "youth" answer. I can now retire from this site. =P
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
Hmm, that reminds me, you haven't been saying as much on hangouts lately. XP
user227867
Oh, well, I have some reasons, which I must keep secret for now. =)
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
I see.
user227867
It is well known in this chat that I have many secrets, and that I am bad at keeping secrets. =)
Tonepoet
Tonepoet
It's easier to keep a secret if nobody knows you have one. ;-)

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