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Tonepoet

00:09

@tchrist Hmm, Merriam-Webster's New International Dictionary Third Edition doesn't have that as a status label. (Yes, I blundered the distinction two statements ago). What they seem to do instead is mark it as a usage note. "usu. considered vulgar". I'm not even sure if that's in the original 1961 edition, since I had to look virtually everybody's favorite four letter word that starts with an f up in the addenda.

tchrist

I can't grep dead trees.

Tonepoet

@tchrist I'm going to bet your computer doesn't have a hole for the C.D. in the back of it either. XP

tchrist

I don’t use XP. Nor cup holders.

I do, however, have the OED 2E⁺⁺ in SGML.

Which is greppable.

Tonepoet

@tchrist I'm guessing ++ means it has the books in the additions series too. Is that right?

tchrist

I haven't ever chased down what all the extras are; I just know it has things more recent than my printed copy does.

Tonepoet

00:25

@tchrist The original O.E.D. 1 has five supplemental volumes which cover all but 5000 of the words that weren't included in the second edition. Most complete sets, including the C.E.O.E.D. includes the first supplement. The remaining four are compiled in the C.E.O.E.D. Volume 3 if I recall correctly.

tchrist

The print copy is the 9-up version.

So, 2E.

> Therefore, if the concensus is that these two should be merged

Tonepoet

@tchrist After the O.E.D. 2 came out, there are three more supplemental volumes called the Additions series.

tchrist

Isn’t that a curious typo?

Seems to suggest that that its author’s brain is thinking of it quite differently.

Also, somebody you’re going to run out of periods and then you won’t be happy when you just come to the end and there are none left over to finish your sentence with

Tonepoet

@tchrist Don't you mean someday?

tchrist

I don’t spell words wrong. I simply use the entirely thong word now and then.

Tonepoet

00:31

@tchrist That's not always better. (course language) ;-)

tchrist

I am vehemently and vociferously opposed to all automatic rewriting of the text by a dumb machine, for he who lives by the word drives by it.

qui verbo ferit verbo perit

Tonepoet

@tchrist I'd arrest you for murdering words Mr. Drive B. Shooter, if it were not for the fact that you're more of an authority here than I am. =P

tchrist

Ware that your minor sixth becomes no demented fifth.

Tonepoet

00:50

@tchrist The Internet Explains It All, starring Melissa Joan Hart

tchrist

May your path towards enlightenment be paved with melting snowballs.

And go vote on this:

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A: Why do we pronounce a long second vowel in "decide", but a short second vowel in "decision"?

Background info on pronunciation of Latinate words in English Latin vowel length very rarely has a direct effect on the pronunciation of English vowels in Latinate words. (Since Latin vowel length affected the placement of stress, and the placement of stress affects how we pronounce vowels in En...

suməlic

@tchrist Wow, thanks! Originally I was just editing that to add some more example words that I realized I had left out, but then I found a really interesting source written by Otto Jespersen.

tchrist

Sure thing. We have so many poor posts that get all the attention that fine ones can too often pass unnoticed.

Tonepoet

@suməlic I wonder if Nintendo's official Hyrule Historia has a pronunciation guide...

tchrist

The When does a gerund become a verb? question reminds me of the common RMNP question of When do the deer turn into elk? their rangers always get.

user227867

01:06

When does a man become a woman, or a woman a man?

Tonepoet

@JasperLoy When he drowns in a spring and she gets drenched in hot water.

tchrist

01:35

> Mon cœur se recommande a vous,
Tout plein d’ennui et de martyre;
Au moins en dépit des jaloux
Faites qu’adicu vous puisse dire.
Ma bouche qui savait sourire
Et conter propos gracieux
Ne fait maintenant que maudire
Ceux qui m’ont banni de vous yeux.

"Ceux qui m’ont banni de vous yeux"

Mon coeur se recommande ténor

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tchrist

02:06

The rabbits are scared.

It’s quiet in here. Too quiet.

user2943160

02:52

After a heavily emphasized comment on my first question here, I'd like for recommendations on improving: english.stackexchange.com/questions/346934/…

user2943160

03:03

Since it seems to be quiet, I'll leave this open and see what feedback anyone has.

Tonepoet

05:25

@user2943160 Hello and welcome to English Language & Usage! As far as improving the question itself goes, we have research requirements here. Minimally, it's a good idea to check The Free Dictionary by Farlax and properly cite your research. The term Rough Air is included in the "McGraw-Hill Dictionary of Scientific & Technical Terms, 6E" suggesting that it probably is not a euphemism.

This is especially so since the phrase seems to have been in use for approximately 50 years, at least, in google books.

Instead of asking about preferences, Drew might be more satisfied if you asked about any possible differences between the two terms.

Lawrence

06:22

@user2943160 Drew makes a good point. Given the manner you defended the question, I'm also inclined to place the question on hold as off-topic because ELU doesn't speak for any airline. I'm holding off for now because you've asked for help with rewording. Here's a suggestion: add appropriate dictionary definitions, and ask how the connotations of the two terms differ.

Tonepoet

07:27

@Lawrence Connotations also works. I should've thought of that word. XP

Lawrence

08:01

@Tonepoet No problem. I had a different suggestion in mind initially, but after a few iterations of thought, ended up with almost the same recommendation you gave. :)

Tonepoet

08:20

The ngrams are interesting for this question. Look at that huge spike in usage in the 1940s for "Rough Air".

Also it seems like turbulence is a word that predates aviation by a considerable margin. Noah Webster's definition is quite different from what I'd have expect too, in that it's not quite air specific and seemingly much more mental.

Come to think of it, isn't "hit a pocket of rough air" idiomatic?

user227867

I just got back home after meeting a friend.

user227867

He gave me a big birthday present.

Tonepoet

@JasperLoy Oh, does that mean not everybody forgot?

user227867

@Tonepoet Well, you can say that.

Tonepoet

That's quite nice then I suppose...

user227867

08:28

In the bookstore today, I saw that the binding of the book had split from the spine, terrible.

user227867

Moreover, the book was shrink wrapped. How do such things happen?

user227867

I think one possibility is that the manufacturing process was flawed.

Tonepoet

Was the shrink wrap perforated anywhere?

user227867

No. But of course shops can always shrink wrap old products easily.

user227867

When you get a less than perfect product from Amazon, for example, there is no point guessing what went wrong, because it could be a million and one things.

Tonepoet

08:31

@JasperLoy That's true. How good was the shrink wrapping job?

user227867

@Tonepoet It seemed perfect, which is why the damage was strange.

user227867

Hmm, I am beginning to think you are like Justin Bieber, for some reason, lol.

user227867

By the way, my copy of the OALD is the international student edition, so it is very very cheap. You can only get it in certain countries.

user227867

You know what is ironic? The paper is thinner, which is actually better for dictionaries, because that makes it lighter. So the cheaper product is better than the more expensive one.

Tonepoet

@JasperLoy That may not be entirely true. Thinner paper is more prone to tearing too, unless it's made out of special materials.

user227867

08:36

@Tonepoet OK. I am very careful with my books.

user227867

I like the paper used for bibles, very nice.

Tonepoet

I'm not so careful unfortunately. I dropped my Webster's New International Second and a page tore about a quarter of the way down. Also yes, the bibles do often use the good stuff.

user227867

It is very strange that the bible and koran is sold everywhere but not the four Nikayas.

Tonepoet

As a matter of fact, the paper used in bibles is often called bible paper...

user227867

@Tonepoet How do you get all these old books? Second hand stores?

Tonepoet

08:38

There's a nice thrift store nearby.

user227867

@Tonepoet I suggest it be called dictionary paper and used accordingly, lol.

Tonepoet

If it has a dictionary in it, I can usually buy it for $5 or less.

@JasperLoy Hmm, it's a shame that I tore my Webster's because it also uses a special paper, which is India paper. It's very similar to bible paper.

user227867

You know, the four Nikayas I got are so well made they will last forever despite being 2000 pages each.

user227867

If 2000 page books can be bound properly why can't they do it for all books?

Tonepoet

@JasperLoy Because of cost.

user227867

08:40

We really need competent book producers these days.

user227867

@Tonepoet I think it is laziness.

user227867

Everywhere I go people are lazy. The toilet is dirty because the cleaner is lazy, for example.

Tonepoet

@JasperLoy Eeeh, books aren't really handmade anymore. Most things aren't.

user227867

The food is terrible because the cook is lazy.

user227867

The lesson is terrible because the professor is lazy.

user227867

08:42

Maybe I expect too much from this world.

Tonepoet

You might like to look into books made by the Folio Society and the Franklin Mint.

user227867

I would expect the same of myself if I was not sick.

user227867

I remember in high school, when I was still sane, I would take several textbooks and combine all the info into my own notes which were concise to the extreme.

user227867

And then after that I just studied the notes over and over again until I remembered everything and didn't have to study during exams.

user227867

After remembering the stuff, I could study without the notes. For example, on the bus, I just repeat the notes in my mind.

user227867

08:46

So although it seemed I did no studying, actually I did lots of it.

Tonepoet

Here's one of the books on the Folio Society's website. It's expensive but I think it looks even better in person, which is not to say that I own it..

user227867

I am proud I got 10 A's for my O level exams and 4 A's for my A level exams. But after that things went downhill because I got sick.

Tonepoet

I've seen some of the Fairy Books for sale though. I should've bought one.

user227867

Do you like fairies? Are you a fairy?

Tonepoet

Well, Andrew Lang's fairy books aren't really so much about fairies, so much as 'fairy tales' from around the world.

I'd love to own some of the original public domain prints as well.

The only affordable editions are the paperbacks Dover published though. I have a few of those.

user227867

08:50

OK, some more boring info for you about dictionaries:

user227867

OALD has 185000 entries but OAAD only 145000.

user227867

Concise OED has 240000 entries but Concise OAD only 180000.

Tonepoet

@JasperLoy You mentioned this already.

user227867

@Tonepoet Nope, not this to you.

user227867

I mean not in its entirety.

user227867

08:52

Surprisingly though ODE and NOAD both have 350000 entries.

Tonepoet

Hmm, I'm trying to recollect which books you compared. I think it was only 3 of the four.

user227867

I did not mention the American counterparts before.

user227867

There are 6 books above, 3 British, 3 American variants.

Tonepoet

Somehow Collins jammed 700,000 in their unabridged dictionary.

user227867

Yes, 722000, lol.

user227867

08:53

I think you and I can be dictionary experts, lol.

user227867

Rather dictionary salesmen, lol.

Tonepoet

I'm wondering how they managed, since the whole 20 volume O.E.D. second edition only has like, 250,000.

user227867

Entries counted in different ways.

user227867

The SOED has 600000 by the OUP system.

Tonepoet

What's the O.U.P. system?

user227867

08:56

So, according to my own 'research', I think the top three American produced dictionaries are MW Collegiate, Webster's New World College and American Heritage.

user227867

@Tonepoet I just meant what is written currently on the OUP website. Oxford University Press.

Tonepoet

Oooh, yeah, duh.

user227867

They are at 1600, 1700, and 2100 plus pages respectively.

user227867

But it seems that MW has more words, because I could find idempotent in it but not the other two online.

user227867

Now my favourite test word is 'hopefully', to see how they define it, and also the word 'they'.

user227867

09:01

I am going to bed, good night @Tonepoet, you should sleep too! =P

Tonepoet

@JasperLoy "The American Heritage Dictionary has a usage note for They. Also, g'night.

Anastasiya-Romanova 秀

10:00

Hi folks...

Greeting

I'd like to ask you which one is correct? "Finance Dept Head" or "Head of Finance Dept"?

Andrew Leach

10:38

@Anastasiya-Romanova秀 In what context? The first reads more like journalese.

Anastasiya-Romanova 秀

@AndrewLeach Formal. Business things.

Andrew Leach

If it's to appear on a door/desk-plate or business cards, I'd use the second and spell out Department.

Helmar

Or skip Department all together

Anastasiya-Romanova 秀

10:55

So Head of Finance sounds formal and correct?

@AndrewLeach Are you implying ""Finance Dept Head" is correct but not formal?

By correct, I meant grammatically correct

Andrew Leach

Yes. It's the sort of thing which I'd expect to see in a newspaper headline. "Finance Dept Head Aleister Crowley convicted of embezzlement"

But as two attributive nouns (=adjectives), it's grammatically fine.

But fomally, on business cards or reports, I'd expect to see "Aleister Crowley, Head of Finance Department".

Helmar

I have seen some business cards without department Especially for the usual corporate cross-functions, finance, hr, etc...

Andrew Leach

So you see, "Formal. Business things" tends towards the second option, although even there, there are nuances depending on the particular organisation's corporate style.

Anastasiya-Romanova 秀

I see. Many thanks @AndrewLeach and @Helmar for answering my question...

Andrew Leach

11:11

@Anastasiya-Romanova秀 You're very welcome. Hope to see you back in Chat sometime.

Helmar

@AndrewLeach thanks for commenting on my tagging guideline post. Do you have any ideas how I could drum up some more support?

The other mods have been conspicuously quiet about it.

The proposal, not support ideas.

Anastasiya-Romanova 秀

@AndrewLeach I've never thought I'd get a kind response here. I'll be back. I promise. If you'll excuse me, I am going to leave this chatroom. :)

Helmar

Bye

Andrew Leach

Bye

@Helmar Don't know. I have doubts about using the Meta post as a link-target in comments, when the tag wiki can be easily linked to. I think the Meta post should be broad and perhaps contain links to tag wikis for specifics (so it's a directory to detailed info, rather than containing a vast amount of detail itself).

We shouldn't be constrained by deficiencies in the mobile app: they need to be addressed, and we need to do things in the best and most maintainable way.

I believe it's been a holiday weekend in the US, so there will have been less input from that side of the Atlantic. And they're only just waking up, bleary-eyed and with a pounding headache from the hangover, about now on the east coast.

Helmar

11:27

@AndrewLeach I agree I wouldn't want to put every single tag in the meta post. I was thinking more along the lines of including the top 10 or 20 and pointing out common pitfalls

Ah, good to know, I didn't realize that.

I can barely manage to keep track of the holidays in the countries I regularly work with ;)

Anastasiya-Romanova 秀

Cya @Helmar and @AndrewLeach... :)

Andrew Leach

:)

@Helmar Yes, the most commonly-used, that's fine. But only enough detail to avoid the pitfalls.

One of the things I tried to avoid at work was having information in more than one place:

it just made maintenance far more difficult.

Helmar

Yeah it certainly does. Although the tag information should not be very fluid. The maintenance should be rather low after an initial setup.

Andrew Leach

True, it's likely only to be enhanced, and that only seldom. But the single-words-request tag has been updated quite a bit, and it would be a pain to have to mirror that in a Meta post. The Meta post should really just explain the broad purpose and link to the detail, I feel.

Helmar

11:43

I think the post should serve two purposes, firstly indicate that a certain tag exists, because the indications are strange. If you type in a 'w' it shows meaning, single-word-requests, word-choice, word-usage, etymology and prepositions. Secondly show the common tagging mistakes to help editors.

For the first part we have to focus on the very popular and some groups of tags.

No one would to create or read a post of nearly a thousand tags

user2943160

12:03

@Tonepoet @Lawrence: thanks for the feedback. I'll author edits to the question when I have time later today.

Mitch

13:49

@Helmar I can barely keep track of the holidays I've been living in for years. Good Friday? That doesn't sound so good. Columbus day? Is that even a thing?

Kit Z. Fox

@AndrewLeach Indeed. Labor Day weekend. First Monday in September.

Often school starts the next day, although they've been pushing the start of school into August to give more time pre-testing.

RegDwigнt

14:02

Well then. You know which way to invest.

Kit Z. Fox

huh

RegDwigнt

Rouble in 2017 = 0 USD²⁰¹⁷.
Euro in 2017 = 2.25765728 * 10⁸³ USD²⁰¹⁷.

Kit Z. Fox

definitely roubles then. That's the most growth opportunity and for free!

Helmar

Columbus Day - How Is That Still A Thing: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)

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Kit Z. Fox

Well, actually it's Thanksgiving.

Helmar

14:11

What is?

Kit Z. Fox

Columbus Day is Thanksgiving in Canada.

Matt E. Эллен

Columbus Giving. Thanks O Canada

Helmar

@KitZ.Fox That's because harvest is earlier there?

So you are basically cheated out of a holiday compared to the US?

Kit Z. Fox

I don't know.

I don't think it's earlier. Most of populated Canada is south of me.

Tarun

"Have you ever met rekha, this is she or her"

Lawrence

14:31

@Anastasiya-Romanova秀 I don't find either fully satisfactory. "Director of Finance" or "Manager, Finance Department" or "Chief Accountant" sound more idiomatic to me.

Helmar

Woohoo, I just got a suggested edit where someone edited tags. And correctly as well. :)

Lawrence

@user2943160 You're welcome. All the best with your question.

Mitch

@Helmar no. It's because canadians aren't good at hiding stolen holidays.

Lawrence

@KitZ.Fox Time flies. I hope you had a refreshing break.

Mitch

@Tarun "Have you ever met Rekha?" is a perfectly fine question.

"This is she" is correct formally, but "This is her" is what most people say.

tchrist

14:36

s?al?er?

Mitch

@Helmar hahaha, I hadn't heard of that

@tchrist 'This is she' sounds sort of OK to me, like what your mom tells you youre supposed to say when answering the phone. 'It is I' is fingernails on a blackboard

Lawrence

@Tarun I agree with Mitch about "she" being formally correct. You can reword your sentence to be more casual: "Have you ever met Rekha? Here she is."

tchrist

@Mitch ’Tis I, milord.

Lawrence

@Helmar Starring this to celebrate. :)

Helmar

@Lawrence I am already looking for party hats :D

user227867

14:40

Maybe there is something wrong with my computer. Some of the avatars are not showing up on the top right.

Lawrence

@tchrist Sailor. :)

Mitch

@JasperLoy avatars are overrated.

I like the color combinations though

Matt E. Эллен

raters are over avatar

tchrist

@Lawrence À l’eau! C’est l’heure!

user227867

@MattE.Эллен Instead of seeing a green face, I see a long rectangle with the words on the top right.

Mitch

14:41

"Je t'adore! Je t'adore!" "Oh, go shut it yourself."

Matt E. Эллен

@JasperLoy I see that for a couple of the avatars, but most are filled in. sounds like a problem with caching

Lawrence

@tchrist I recognised "eau" = water. Checked in Google translate, got it right! :)

Time for a drink, then?

user227867

@MattE.Эллен Sounds like my computer is fine too, or both of ours are not.

Mitch

@MattE.Эллен If I had an avatar for every time I heard that, I'd have an avatar

Matt E. Эллен

@Mitch anyone who had an avatar would look

Mitch

14:43

@JasperLoy A whole bunch of people agree on the status of their god(s).

Matt E. Эллен

@JasperLoy :D yep

Mitch

We can know nothing!

sobs in corner

user227867

@MattE.Эллен Is the Chambers Dictionary very popular in the UK? Also, if you have seen inside it before, I would like to know whether it gives pronunciation for the words.

Mitch

A game of pool anyone?

Matt E. Эллен

@JasperLoy I heard of it, I don't know if I've read one.

it probably does give pronunciation, in some form or other

user227867

14:44

@MattE.Эллен I see. Strangely, there is no preview for some items on Amazon.

user227867

@Mitch I think Kindle does not work very well for many books on Amazon. I think Kindle should be banned.

Mitch

House rules: eight-ball, call all shots, scratching on the eight loses, must bank eight in.

@JasperLoy Banned? Isn't that kinda strong? How about just let it slowly leave the market.

user227867

Today I switched the locations of my desktop and laptop in the house.

Mitch

Does anybody use/buy iPods or iNanos any more?

@JasperLoy You should have moved the house instead. Same result.

Which reminds me, that proverb about 'moving the mountain to Mohammed'? That's just crazy.

user227867

@Mitch There are many good books on Amazon that have bad reviews because of the Kindle display. So tired of seeing these reviews instead of the real reviews reviewing the content.

Mitch

14:48

@JasperLoy reviews are ... problematic.

user227867

@Mitch It is neither Mohamad moving nor the mountain moving, but the mind that is moving.

Mitch

people only review things if they're annoyed, or if they're ecstatic.

On principle I review everything to be 3 out of 5. You could always do better, always do worse.

@JasperLoy Nice. +1

user227867

@Mitch M, M, and M. QED.

Mitch

Of course somebody would take that as blasphemy. Even though it doesn't have anything to do with anything.

user227867

Yes, Mohamad is just a name. I considered that before typing.

Mitch

14:50

Which reminds me, can't you read kindle books on iPads?

user227867

I don't know. I use neither iPad nor Kindle.

Mitch

@JasperLoy It's like people come up with reasons to be insulted.

user227867

There are many people named Mohamad here in Antarctica, with variant spellings of the name.

Mitch

"What? You said 'an historian' instead of a historian?" How dare you!"

user227867

Like over 9000 variants.

Mitch

14:52

@JasperLoy Mahmud

Færd

Can you freely choose between the different pronunciations of the prefix anti- with every word it's attached to?

Mitch

@Færd There are different pronunciations of the prefix 'anti-'?

user227867

Just check the dictionary for the pronunciation.

Færd

@Mitch Longman's Dict. gives /æntɪ, æntaɪ/

user227867

@mitch Did you remove the star?

Mitch

14:54

@JasperLoy yes, I did.

user227867

@Mitch Oh why? We were not being offensive.

Mitch

No. I just didn't want the starboard filled with something that I thought only I would appreciate.

user227867

I see. Yes, MMM.

Mitch

I can star it again.

user227867

@Færd Does it say one is UK and one is US?

Mitch

14:56

@Færd are you concerned about, say, 'an-tee-social' vs 'an-tie- social' (to avoid IPA altogether)

Færd

@JasperLoy The second one is US only I think.

@Mitch Yeah.

Mitch

It does seem to vary as one feels.

Færd

Found this:

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A: Pronunciation of the prefix "anti" in American English

The prefix "anti" is acceptably pronounced both ways, however it is usually pronounced [antai] (or to a lesser extent [anti]) when stressed or emphasized, and [antɪ] as in 'lid' when said otherwise.

user227867

@Færd So just follow what it says, but be consistent.

Mitch

'ee' a little more informal than 'ie'

Færd

14:57

Doesn't cite any authorities though.

Mitch

like ee-ther ie-ther

user227867

There are no authorities in English, except self-proclaimed ones on ELU.

Færd

Have you ever heard antai-biotics?

user227867

No.

Mitch

Yes

hahahhahahah

but still, yes

Færd

14:59

antai-dote?!!

user227867

I was just answering the question according to my experience.

user227867

No.

Mitch

an-tie-biotics sounds better to me because it tie rhymes with bi, there.

@Færd also no

Færd

I don't think you get to choose freely all the time.

user227867

There is no freedom in the world.

Mitch

15:00

@Færd not all the time, but maybe with some words

@JasperLoy All is written

It is what it is.

Except when it isn't.

then it ain't

Færd

@Mitch Which are not listed anywhere, perhaps.

Oh, I have to go.

Thanks.

Mitch

later.

NVZ

Oh, I'm late for the party.

user227867

Is your vacation over @Kit? Back to work?

Kit Z. Fox

Hi @Jasper. Yes and yes.

user227867

15:05

Why do some follow Chicago Manual Of Style and others Associated Press Stylebook?

user227867

It's confusing to have different standards.

NVZ

@JasperLoy "Be together, not the same." We need all kinds of standards. :)

What's confusing to me is that some countries still have not adopted the SI / modern metric system. :P

tchrist

@NVZ Don't be redditulous: the US adopted it a long time ago. We just know better than to use it.

NVZ

What's this about? Catch me up, humans:

27 mins ago, by Jasper Loy

@Mitch It is neither Mohamad moving nor the mountain moving, but the mind that is moving.

user227867

@NVZ There's nothing about it. It's all there in the transcript. Don't overthink it.

NVZ

15:17

Okay, that was very moving. :P

@JasperLoy I recall seeing "Jasper Loy" on some closed questions. Is this a new account?

user227867

@NVZ Yes, maybe the fifteenth.

NVZ

@JasperLoy Aah. it's fine unless you go over 9000.

user227867

@NVZ I enjoyed Slumdog Millionaire.

Helmar

@tchrist Langley disagrees and lists US, Liberia and Burma non-metric. Esteemed circle

NVZ

@JasperLoy okay. :/

tchrist

15:22

@Helmar You aren't going to make any friends that way.

It's just cultural bashing because it's not your culture. It is not productive.

user227867

@NVZ The same guy acted in 'The man who knew infinity' which was a boring movie.

tchrist

The States are certainly metric. We just don't use it for normal things.

Mitch

US scientists are metric

Helmar

@tchrist I wasn't trying to bash. I was pointing out that the CIA disagrees with you.

tchrist

And if you plan to ridicule or disparage us about that, I’m going to have to ask you in advance not to.

Mitch

15:24

@Helmar It's a better crowd than the execution one.

tchrist

We consider it foreign meddling in our internal affairs when somebody who doesn’t even speak English tries to tell us which words we are allowed to use.

Mitch

But the US got rid of federal executions before many other states did, they just turned it around in '77

tchrist

So we resist it.

Mitch

@tchrist Non?

tchrist

Craw pah.

terdon

15:25

And, after all, there is such a wealth of subjects that one can choose from when it comes to ridiculing Americans, going for arbitrarily chosen systems of measurement seems like a wasted opportunity.

I mean, this is the nation that might actually elect Trump for President!

Kit Z. Fox

@terdon lalalalala not going to happen!

terdon

One can hope. Fervently. Desperately.

user227867

@terdon I saw the video on the man who said he heard God telling him Trump will be President.

user227867

If Trump does not get elected, what will happen to this man?

terdon

@JasperLoy Was it Carson?

user227867

15:27

@terdon Yes, the firefighter, I think.

Mitch

@JasperLoy He misheard God?

Helmar

Maybe he lisps

Mitch

@KitZ.Fox don't stick your fingers in your ears about it.

user227867

@Mitch I think it's more likely he is hearing voices and needs to see a doctor.

terdon

@JasperLoy No I meant the doctor and failed presidential candidate.

Mitch

15:28

@JasperLoy I thought he was a doctpr

Kit Z. Fox

He's a "doctor".

user227867

@terdon Oh, I meant the firefighter, but I can't remember.

terdon

@KitZ.Fox Yeah. " Doctor "

Matt E. Эллен

You mean a timelord?

Mitch

@terdon I know! like Texas and stuff!

terdon

15:29

If only!

user227867

There is a movie where someone had first name Doctor and made people think he was a doctor.

Helmar

@MattE.Эллен Only of time slowing

user227867

And what's this thing about Hillary being insane? I saw many videos on that as well.

Matt E. Эллен

@Helmar at least he's not the Zodiac Killer

Kit Z. Fox

No, wait, no. Dr. Carson is an actual retired doctor. My bad. Who was the guy who was a "doctor" then?

Mitch

15:29

@JasperLoy I had a school mate whose first name was Sergeant

user227867

There is a lot of drama on youtube, and we can't tell the facts from the nonfacts.

Helmar

@MattE.Эллен Not sure that's mutually exclusive

Kit Z. Fox

The guy who created his own board so he could say he was board certified?

Mitch

@JasperLoy BS click bait

terdon

@KitZ.Fox Well, he's a Doctor who honestly believes in a literal interpretation of the bible, direct intervention by God, faith healing and the line. I think the quotes are justified.

Matt E. Эллен

15:30

@JasperLoy that's why we have Stack Exchange. Everything on SE is true.

Mitch

@JasperLoy um..yeah..that's YouTube. DOn't actually expect truth from it.

terdon

@KitZ.Fox OK, that's kinda clever, actually. Now that I think of it, I can claim to have passed the bar!

@MattE.Эллен This sentence is a lie.

Mitch

@terdon Lots of people with the title doctor graduated from a seminary school.

user227867

@MattE.Эллен As long as it is said by Matt.

NVZ

@JasperLoy this

John Oliver - The Kid Who Ran for President

►

Matt E. Эллен

15:31

I passed a pub, is that good enough?

Kit Z. Fox

@terdon He's a doctor who successfully separated conjoined twins. I think quotes are not justified.

terdon

@Mitch Carson's an actual, bona fide medical doctor.

Kit Z. Fox

Rand Paul was the guy I was thinking of.

Mitch

@terdon yes

@KitZ.Fox not a doctor

terdon

@KitZ.Fox OK, that's fair. Maybe he's a decent mechanic.

Mitch

15:32

unless I'm wrong

Matt E. Эллен

@terdon then it's not on Stack Exchange

Helmar

@KitZ.Fox But Carson also said the pyramids were for storing grain

Kit Z. Fox

@Mitch "Doctor" Rand Paul.

terdon

@MattE.Эллен I'm going to explode in a puff of logic. Damn Russel and his paradox!

user227867

I don't like it that youtube shows me the videos according to my location by default. I always change the location setting.

Kit Z. Fox

15:32

@Helmar That's not a qualification for being a medical doctor.

Mitch

_write Area 51 proposal for a SE site 'Does this site have questions that don't answer themselves?'

terdon

@Mitch It would have to have all of them though. Tough.

Kit Z. Fox

I'm not saying he's well-informed, but he is an accomplished surgeon.

Mitch

@KitZ.Fox could be useful knowledge though

if you are in charge of all the grain storage in ancient egypt

terdon

@KitZ.Fox Fair enough. Sadly, being a blithering idiot and being an accomplished surgeon are not mutually exclusive.

Mitch

15:34

which I can't confirm one way or the other about Ben Carson

Surgeons aren't necessarily the brightest of the bunch

Helmar

They just need a liking for cutting into people

user227867

I think Trump should stick to business and not enter politics.

Kit Z. Fox

@Mitch True that.

user227867

Mother Theresa has been canonised as a saint. Interesting.

Helmar

Saying outrageous stuff making his name more widely known is his whole business model

user227867

15:39

Hey, I have been searching 'paraprosdokian' in several authoritative dictionaries but can't find it! LOL.

user227867

I think it has yet to really enter the common lexicon.

user227867

I learnt this word while browsing ELU.

user227867

Maybe it is in the online OED.

Andrew Leach

Paraprosdokian

A paraprosdokian (/pærəprɒsˈdoʊkiən/) is a figure of speech in which the latter part of a sentence, phrase, or larger discourse is surprising or unexpected in a way that causes the reader or listener to reframe or reinterpret the first part. It is frequently used for humorous or dramatic effect, sometimes producing an anticlimax. For this reason, it is extremely popular among comedians and satirists. Some paraprosdokians not only change the meaning of an early phrase, but they also play on the double meaning of a particular word, creating a form of syllepsis. == Etymology == "Paraprosdokian" comes...

user227867

english.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/paraprosdokian

user227867

15:44

Only 4 questions with this tag.

Andrew Leach

Not entirely surprising. Although that tag is old (four years), most people writing a question wouldn't think to add it (because most askers are asking about the name of the term which they don't know), and probably most editors or answerers don't know of the tag's existence, either.

user227867

16:50

I have updated the location in my profile to Antarctica.

NVZ

@JasperLoy I don't know who you are, I don't know what you want. But I will find you, and I will kill you. :P

user227867

@NVZ LOL. I hope nobody flags you, LOL.

NVZ

@JasperLoy I wonder who had the first flags in Antarctica.

user227867

@NVZ Me. I am the Emperor of Antarctica.

NVZ

@JasperLoy You get to rule a thousand people.

Just one thousand, that is. :P

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