@IͶΔ That's part of the reason I'm rooting for a more transparant migration system - no one will have to feel like their toes were stepped on and the question will still have a good chance of being answered without too much hassle for the user (and for the backend, the hassle will be there regardless)

@Terah Transparent as in?

And well, you're going off-road.

Migration is rare.

It's not on my checklist.

The problem with a downvote is that in itself, it's not constructive.

^^^ An example of someone getting hurt because of spiky down arrows.

@Terah But making comments mandatory would not work.

Exactly.

Downvote is for the content, not the person.

They just don't get that.

Night

Good noght.

@IͶΔ Transparant as explained before - rather than downvoting a question, getting it closed, generating comments by those that have different opinions, the original question page should just mention something like 'This post was migrated <here> for ..... purposes, based on .... guidelines'. This wouldn't necessarily have to stop with ELU/ELL, but could work for any SE site.

Of course downvotes would still have their uses, but I'm now specifically discussing getting ELL more involved (raising awareness with the general public) while keeping ELU as user friendly as possible.

Night, Arrow

@IͶΔ Oh, I'm just brainstorming / thinking out loud - If comments were mandatory, the number of votes would decrease imo

When you're typing a question on Math SE,

sometimes the system says: your question maybe off-topic/etc.

and is likely to be closed. I don't know how exactly they do it.

@snailboat Well, as far as I've been able to tell (this is the basis for everything that follows, so bare with me), there are a lot more question asked on ELU that really should have been asked on ELL than is the case the other way around. From what I understood, a question is first put on hold, then votes are gathered to migrate a question

But if it were possible on ELU, it would be nice.

, or the question is closed and the OP has to go to ELL and ask his question again (not necessarily being any wiser about why exactly he got down/close votes, etc)

@Terah Yeah, I agree the migration thingy is crappy.

I was thinking along the lines of moving some of that activity to the background, like the close votes, the off topic/out of scope comments that original question pages now show.

But migration is pretty rare.

There are a load of other things that need improvement.

There's even an eminent bug so that the OP links in comments are not linked after migration, and it's not fixed IIRC.

Just for more mental image then (I've seen mostly 'This belongs at ELL' or 'this is off-topic' comments so far), what is the main issue when it comes to ELU questions? Like, duplicates, off topic, out of scope, etc?

@snailboat I started thinking that too.. I'll go see what I can find about the process as it's implemented now.

@Mitch No, no, not Sligo. You're thinking of that cheap soft drink that's a favorite of rappers and trolls.

@snailboat I see, but it does still leave a 'closed because out of scope' like message on ELU, then, with the question more or less being duplicated on ELL?

K time for me to change into my horizontal state. Night all \o

Night INA, and thanks for your input!

I'm going too. 'Night.

Night, Fard

@snailboat I'm sure I'm just trying to reinvent the wheel - I was just thinking that the whole... presentation of the migration could be streamlined to make people more aware of why a question was migrated by removing everything that isn't relevant for the user (like the question itself excluding the title, the 'dry' close reason, comments, etc) and replacing it with a friendly message that explain the 'why' is a more constructive way

while linking to the new page, rather than auto-direct, so that folks that end up on ELU know/learn why the question is now on another SE before consciously choosing to visit that particular site.

@snailboat No worries - I'm too unfamiliar with it to have anything useful to say, except the feedback here from my 'user point of view' (as a new user myself)

but I'll try to find out more about its inner workings

That might be a discussion best saved for when I know what exactly I'm talking about ;)

well, true...

Still, going to read meta.stackexchange.com/questions/10249/… first

I did chuckle at 'gracefully' though :P

Well, its initial description makes sense, though it appears to be a little laborious

I was just going to comment on my initial feeling toward the statement "Only questions which are less than 60 days old can be migrated; this rule applies also to moderators. Developers are able to bypass this restriction, but they only do so in very, very rare cases."

It doesn't really relate to your example, but it does boil down to having different, and over time, changing ideas of what belongs where.

changing, *

But yeah, your example there is one where, depending on the asked, can be considered for both ELL and ELU.. so where draw that line?

I don't think it's unfair to adhere to a sort of minimum skill list... though I doubt that considering the actual question, that would do any good.. or bring any sort of clarification on where it'd belong.

Perhaps some questions could be tagged in a way that makes 'm visible on both sites

that is, if it can, is, will be answered from both ELL and ELU perspective

Holy crap

270 new posts

yeah, seen something about it, though haven't dug into it.. I'm really just brainstorming at the moment, and worry about how, if at all, it can fit in at a later time, when I have more rep and have become more familiar with the 3k+ life

@DeltaEscher We wanted to give you something to read/ignore :P

@Terah I guess 270 posts in 1.5 hours isn't too many

Did my avatar finally change?

It's a cached image icon for me

@DeltaEscher I really have no frame of reference :)

Not Canada

Then good

@DeltaEscher What I'm seeing is like a rack the optician keeps glasses on display on

@Terah That's a will of BRICs

AKA Kazakhstan

@snailboat I will, thanks for all the background info and moral support :)

@moderator I was just going to answer on this Q english.stackexchange.com/questions/312388/… when it was closed, can it be re-opened?

@snailboat There's a grain of truth in every joke, though this one was more to throw some oil on an unlit fire than anything else.. thing is.. together, the scope would be too broad, separate, the overlap is potentially so large, even when each site would be used for in scope question only, it'd still be impractical

and to add yet another stack just for all those questions that don't belong in either, but still can find people willing to answer..

@snailboat ok...just asking, but thanks anyway

well, before long, there'd be just that 'catch all' 3rd stack, I guess.

Agree.. well.. all things considering, this is not an easy nut to crack, if it's crackable at all ^^

Well yeah, regardless of which site it's on, ideally a question would be asked only once

@snailboat No easy solutions to be sure...

A solution will present itself, though (possibly years and years from now, born from copious amounts of mutual frustration :P)

@snailboat I can imagine - it's easy to imagine that 3rd site, especially if used as a catch-all for everything that doesn't stick with ELL or ELU will not do quality any favors

I see it turning into what everyone seems to agree about is a bad idea - becoming Yahoo Answers.

I think they mean the general idea of 'just ask away, regardless of it being a valid question, or having been asked a dozen times before, or having correct answers'

Which is not to say you can't find some 'Ahaaaa' answers there.. it's just a lot of opinion, personal experience, and not much in terms of linking to proper sources.

Then there's its scope of 'everything from A to Z' :P

I'm off as well for the night - try and get the rest of this flu and cold out of my system.

Have a good evening all, and thanks again Snailboat.

Tnx, later!

@MετάEd no no not ... Diet Faygo? Orange.Crush? A&W Cream Soda? Butterbeer from Hogsmeade Inn (which tastes uncannily like cream soda)?

@Mitch You might have gotten it. Hard to tell with all those names there.

Hedging my bets

If you can say that.

Wait...trolls can drink soda?