English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

Kit Z. Fox

00:17

@MετάEd Yes. You did.

MετάEd

@KitZ.Fox Oh, well thank goodness somebody did.

Kit Z. Fox

That was some good thinking.

MετάEd

@KitZ.Fox It's a great article.

Kit Z. Fox

Yes, I agree. Did you post something about it on the post over there? -->

MετάEd

00:35

@KitZ.Fox Haven't.

MετάEd

00:45

We have a vandal. Suddenly the edit queue is full of posts where special characters are being changed.

Kit Z. Fox

You're sure it's not tchrist on a binge?

MετάEd

@KitZ.Fox Ha!

I just denied maybe 20 edits that changed markdown characters to their literal equivalents. These edits would make the posts very hard to read.

Kit Z. Fox

OK. Well, that will probably cause them to be banned from editing.

MετάEd

Perfect.

Example: english.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/155391

Kit Z. Fox

I was just going to ask. Thanks.

What's that comment at the top? I never look at the regular review queues. Is that a normal thing or spam?

MετάEd

00:50

@KitZ.Fox That's the edit explanation field.

Great place to put your business card, I guess.

Kit Z. Fox

OK, so that's just filler text?

MετάEd

See recent review of suggested edits at: english.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/history and look at mine within the last ten minutes or so.

@KitZ.Fox When you make an edit (or suggest an edit) there is a field called "Edit Summary" and you get to see the contents of that field when you review.

All right, off to do the shopping.

Kit Z. Fox

OK. Thanks.

Mitch

01:06

But the 'Two Towers' is a little boring.

Kit Z. Fox

Hi @Mitch.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Email in answer: What do you call someone who has a disease or mental condition? by jack on english.stackexchange.com

Mitch

04:25

@KitZ.Fox hey. I randomly found what I was talking about:

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Q: When does /tjʊ/ (Ex: Nice to meet you /miːt jʊ/) turn to /tʃʊ/ & /ʔjʊ/?

In this Wiki link, it said /tj/ could be pronounced as /tʃ/ So, Nice to meet you /... miːt jʊ/ will be /... miːtʃʊ/ But sometimes, I heard it as /... miːʔjʊ/ Watch this short youtube video, Freddie & Bob seem to stick with /... miːʔjʊ/ (ʔ stands for glottal stop) & somehow they got a very powe...

pronunciation

@Araucaria i wouldn't be surprised if there is duplicate for this here. also surprised if there's not a wikipedia page on it.

Anonymous

08:01

It's called yod coalescence.

Anonymous

Maybe if you search for that

Anonymous

The other bit is just one of the usual allophones of /t/ in many accents

Anonymous

But you might be able to find it under /t/-glottaling or coda glottalization

Mitch

14:38

@MattE.Эллен see this complaint by the OP of the religion/mental-illness question:

in Discussion about things, 5 hours ago, by Traci Guynup

I am a noob. I asked my first question. Someone replied with a completely inappropriate answer. They called people that suffer from disabilities "nutcases." I was deeply offended. Now MY question was put on hold, the transcript was deleted; and no action was taken against the other user. This was my first question. The other user had a very high reputation. I really would like an apology because I expected a business-like answer. I did not expect hateful trolls.

@snailboat Excellent. Thanks!

@MattE.Эллен also see my comments. I hope they were the right thing and right tone. Sometimes you have words in your head that you have to get out.

Uh oh. I feel some profanity coming on.

Whew. It passed.

I have to point out that that was a poop pun. So you can really appreciate the depth of thought.

Kit Z. Fox

14:57

Rofl

I think we should probably make poop discussion off limits in this room.

Mitch

Too much of it in real life, why sully this place with it.

unless of course Matt comes in

Matt E. Эллен

are you suggesting I'm worse than poop?

Mitch

Look man I just say stuff. If there is a zinger that comes out of it, bonus.

So no, I'd infer that I was saying you're just as good.

Matt E. Эллен

:p

"Matt Ellen is no worse than poop" — Mitch

I'll put that in my biography

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

15:23

"Better than poop: Matt Ellen, an autobiography"

Sounds like a bestseller

Matt E. Эллен

I'd best get started on it!

bbl

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Kmart In-Store Music: Christmas 1974

►

You can listen to that while you work

Kit Z. Fox

Wow. I feel so...fuzzy.

I can't do it anymore!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

15:39

you're a fox. foxes is supposed to be fuzzies.

Kit Z. Fox

16:21

I thought I would try out some new rooms again, trying to get a feel for the split between Meta.SE, SE, and SO. It's weird.

Matt E. Эллен

what did you find?

Kit Z. Fox

It's weird.

The Tavern is basically deserted.

Matt E. Эллен

a ghost tavern

Kit Z. Fox

I'm not sure if that's usual.

I went there last year for a while, but didn't stick around.

Matt E. Эллен

I get the impression that SO chat rooms are often more ... tolerant of off behaviour than SE

is the Tavern meta.se's main room?

Kit Z. Fox

16:25

Yes, I believe so.

I think it was supposed to be the public mod hangout.

Where anyone could pop in and chat with a mod.

MrHen

@KitZ.Fox lol

maybe a mod petting zoo would have more luck

Kit Z. Fox

Missing fingers.

MrHen

Alright, how about mod gladiator contests...

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

I wish the chat-philosophy thread used more concrete examples. Because my experience is mainly here and on Writers, and I'm not sure what the big problem is.

MrHen

Mod action figures!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

16:36

Mod Lego figures. I already made one for tchrist.

Kit Z. Fox

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 The big problem is chat regulars doing things like making rape jokes and talking about how to get women who like to fuck, then trying to cover it up when someone flags it, then attacking and bullying moderators when they respond to the situation.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Jul 31 at 16:25, by Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Mitch

people are jerks

MrHen

"Chat is not separate from Q&A." I kind of disagree with that.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@KitZ.Fox hm.

MrHen

16:38

But yeah, I remember this being an issue back when I was still a regular

It blew up a few times

Kit Z. Fox

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 And then saying it's perfectly OK because "room culture" and outsiders don't get it. Sound familiar?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@KitZ.Fox yeah, I get the "room culture" thing but I think that's a bit of a red herring. You can't have "chat" without "room culture"... just like you can't have SE sites without each site having its own culture.

Mitch

It may be reprehensible (well, it is reprehensible) but is that our place to remove entirely? Surely one can go in and say 'uncool man'.

MrHen

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 The question is whether (and how) should the site culture care about a diverging chat culture?

Kit Z. Fox

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Right, I get that. What it boils down to is what is OK and what isn't, and a bunch of users are throwing up real world cultural differences as a reason why we shouldn't try at all.

MrHen

16:41

So if ELU has one culture and ELU Chat has a divergent culture, why is ELU Chat the official chat room?

Kit Z. Fox

@Mitch And then get attacked, and then the others make a huge fuss and ragequit when the room gets shut down. Yes.

MrHen

@KitZ.Fox Yeah, regardless of the outcome, the outcome of this scenario is negative.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

So SE could just choose to do what Reddit sometimes does: when a particular subreddit is deemed too toxic, according to whatever criteria Reddit uses, they just close it.

We don't need to complicate things. "I'll know it when I see it".

Kit Z. Fox

Yes. But then ragequits and trolls amongst people who are capable of DDoS.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

This isn't a democracy.

Kit Z. Fox

16:43

And moderator authority isn't recognized in SO chat.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@KitZ.Fox Is that really it? we're worried about annoying brogrammers?

Kit Z. Fox

It's only occasionally recognized here, if I recall recent events clearly.

Mitch

or how about this..why is it our (or rather mods) responsibility to crush these things. It is those people being assholes.

it is their fault, their responsibility for correcting themselves.

Kit Z. Fox

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I'm not clear on the reasons. Moderators feel disempowered to moderate chat, that is clear.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@KitZ.Fox Well, "moderating" chat is fraught with peril.

Kit Z. Fox

16:45

Yeah.

Mitch

@KitZ.Fox really? I feel like their banning powers have worked, either stopping egregious behavior or convincing those people not to come back (I only know ELU)

Kit Z. Fox

Real-time moderation is much harder than site moderation.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

But aside from the risk of unpopularity with a foreign chatroom, why don't moderators feel fine just handing out punishments? Is it because of the immediacy of the backlash for unpopular decisions?

Kit Z. Fox

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I think so. The face-to-face aspect, the social difficulty with moderating someone you are friends with, etc.

So much relies on context.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

So there are multiple problems then.

conflicting understandings about what chat is for.

conflicting understandings about what's acceptable behaviour.

difficulty in moderating (limited options for controlling behaviour)

difficulty in moderating your friends

difficulty in moderating hostile strangers.

I think the "hostile strangers" bit could be resolved by having SE staff shut down rooms more often.

I think the understandings about purpose could be better handled by having more focussed topics for each chat room. A chat room with no topic should be closed.

A chat room with an approved topic should be allowed to veer off-topic if people stay reasonably civil, and off-topic chat should stop whenever on-topic chat arises.

Kit Z. Fox

16:55

Yeah, that's where I think we're headed. You can go off-topic as much as you like, but as soon as someone objects, you are expected to return to topicality.

Therefore, every room must have an appropriate topic.

I got into a comment discussion about that. Some people over in SO feel they should be allowed to talk about anything ever.

Then they trot out the "so what, I should never talk about pork? See how stupid your expectation is!"

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

I think it would be reasonable for SE to make certain things verboten, such as rape jokes, racism, etc. SE isn't the government, they aren't a school, they don't have to allow anything in particular, let alone topics they feel are objectionable.

Kit Z. Fox

And it's room culture, room culture, room culture.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

I mean, in some rooms entirely unobjectionable stuff might be considered verboten.

Just because it starts fights.

Boring, maybe, but acceptable. We don't allow just anything on the site.

Kit Z. Fox

Right. Just like you don't go to the javascript room and make a fuss about javascript.

Because it's trolling.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Example: on the LessWrong forums, discussion of Roko's basilisk is banned.

Kit Z. Fox

16:58

And don't go to the Islam room and make snide comments about pork and alcohol.

Because it's trolling.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

There're millions of ways to troll though... but a room could have a topic banned, as an official thing.

Example: in this room, positive discussion of MegaBlocks should be banned.

Kit Z. Fox

But don't say that you should be allowed to call your friend a faggot in a public chat room and not get flagged. You might get away with it, but you shouldn't expect that you will.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Agreed.

makes note to put it in the chat FAQ

Speaking of, @Mitch. You ready for the next chat Meta question?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@KitZ.Fox yeah. Maybe we need to just make it clear that if you cross the boundary, even if you're not being truly offensive in context, expect a flag, don't get upset about it.

Although some boundaries are less clear.

Kit Z. Fox

Right. Like, hey, I might come in and loudly announce "I can't stand working with this fucking person!" Most of you aren't offended by that. But maybe someone who happens to have stopped in to ask about candy cane descriptors is mortified.

I shouldn't have the expectation that that phrase should not be flagged.

I can't say that correctly.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

hm.

Kit Z. Fox

17:03

You know what I'm saying. Help me figure it out?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

No, I get it, but I'm trying to formulate a coherent counter-argument or clarification.

Mitch

@KitZ.Fox Woo hoo! Yes! What is it?!!!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

I don't personally believe profanity should be flagged. At least, I think allowing swear words like that should be part of "room culture" and people who don't like it can fuck off. so to speak.

But how to codify that.

Mitch

@KitZ.Fox But what about insinuation? There are explicit words that one can regex for (or are easy for a person to see), but it's just as bad (I would think) to insinuate, right? Or maybe not.

Kit Z. Fox

@Mitch OK, now you've gotten to chat, what are all the things in the room? How do you actually chat and respond, etc? Then @Matt with summarize the technical aspects of chatting, like how to edit and link messages and @ reply, etc.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Well, I agree, but how to explain what I mean.

Mitch

17:06

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 How dare you.

Kit Z. Fox

It's not a great example.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Yeah, so with a different example, maybe... like if you came in and said "I can't stand working with that fucking Republican"

and a republican was in the room and got upset

still not a very good example.

Mainly I just wish people were offended at the same things as I was

then this'd be supah-easy!

Kit Z. Fox

@ArtB Words aren't the problem. You can't fix the attitude with regex. If you take away my ability to say "motherfucker" regardless of whether the context is appropriate or not, then I will start using "cakesniffer" instead. Does that make it better? On the other hand, if you tell me that you are 13, I will automatically and instinctively refrain from swearing. It's not about the LCD, it's about respecting that we are different from each other. We can comment on that and try to be respectful of others without being dicks to each other. — Kit Z. Fox yesterday

LCD = lowest common denominator.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Still, better.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@KitZ.Fox yeah. I think the problem with your idea is that it's too generous. Some people are oblivous or jerks or both, and they insist on chatting here.

Mitch

cakeesniffer. goddam cakesniffers.

Kit Z. Fox

17:10

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Right, but my point is that banning swearing is not going to work.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

I believe that room culture can become toxic. It happens on every site.

@KitZ.Fox okay, sure.

Kit Z. Fox

Banning jerks and educating the oblivious will work.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Well, but banning swearing might help...

Kit Z. Fox

There is too little consensus on what words fit in that category.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

enforcing a certain tone... sorta like enforcing a dress code helps people get into the mindset of what that dress code means.

Example: at my high school we had uniforms. Once a month we had "civvies day" and NO WORK got done those days.

because "dress in casual clothes" == "act casually"

There's something to be said for ritualizing things to strengthen the norms.

Kit Z. Fox

17:13

OK, I can see that. Keep it clean.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

in this room we berate people who don't even try to write sentences.

Kit Z. Fox

Still consensus.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@KitZ.Fox (just being devil's advocate about the swearing there...)

Kit Z. Fox

This is really what I want to see happen:

I'd like to see users speaking up more often to say "Hey, do you mind not using 'fuck'/'female'/'asterisk'/whatever-else? I'm not comfortable with it/it melts my eyeballs/it's against my religious convictions/It bothers me/(or no reason at all)." and have the response be "oh, sorry, I'll do my best to remember that" rather than "fuck you, female asterisk, go somewhere else if you don't like it, you stupid whatever-the-fuck. I hope your eyeballs melt. rofl high five @other-regular." — Kit Z. Fox yesterday

Then no need for flags unless someone is trolling.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@KitZ.Fox yeah... but two things. 1. people are afraid to speak up for the same reasons that mods don't like moderating friends. 2. the people who are misbehaving are as likely to be violent jerks as they are to be understanding.

Kit Z. Fox

17:15

Right, I know.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

If chat needs to be moderated, it needs to be moderated by disinterested parties, I think.

Authority needs to flow from above.

Kit Z. Fox

And I see it in other rooms, where even the site mod is basically saying "you shouldn't be offended" and "if you keep flagging, I'm going to ban you for trolling".

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@KitZ.Fox Yeah... but without clear rules on whether the mod is right or the flagger is right, how can we resolve this?

Kit Z. Fox

And I think, if that's some 13-year-old kid who is trying to express herself and her discomfort, what kind of message does that send?

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I think that's the question of the hour.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

I think the best thing would be for rooms to be more often reviewed by disinterested authorities, who hand out warnings and close rooms. Their mandate would come from SE itself, which should make people less hostile, I think.

Matt E. Эллен

17:29

@KitZ.Fox @Mitch I'll take screen shots of someone else's desktop next time, if you like :D

Mitch

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 What? We do?

@MattE.Эллен you only got my top line. I'm OK with that.

Matt E. Эллен

:D

Mitch

What did you do though?

MετάEd

I use profanity but maybe it should be flagged in this room.

Matt E. Эллен

@Mitch I used the console (right click on the thing I want to change and select "Inspect Element") to edit the HTML

TimLymington

17:34

Surely profanity should only be flagged by people who object to it. Personally, I don't use it but wouldn't flag it because (as Kit said) the words are a symptom.

Matt E. Эллен

and I took your avatar's url and put it in the src for the avatar img

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Mitch well, I've seen it.

People who write txtspk or stuff like that.

Matt E. Эллен

you can also get to the console (in Firefox) by pressing F12

Mitch

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Q: Chat: how do I use it right?

Now that I've figured out how to get to chat, I see that there's kind of a lot there. I see all sorts of weird things there. Before I ask about what's appropriate behavior, I'd like to know just how to use all the bells and whistles. I get that you type in the box at the bottom, but: What if ...

discussion chat chat-faq

Matt E. Эллен

alright. I'll get to work

Mitch

17:37

@MattE.Эллен nice. now has last piece in place in order to take over the world

@MattE.Эллен I was just trying to get the thing to onebox and ping you. sorry for mutiple pingedits

MετάEd

In any group a really important question is: how do we want to treat first-timers?

Mitch

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 that's flaggable behavior?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Mitch no, but it's beratable behaviour.

Mitch

I think of a flag as a 'holy crap you've transgressed and I need the police to help stop this'.

OK, sure then, berate away, but that's just conversation, not a need for mom and dad to punish someone.

Matt E. Эллен

@Mitch 'salright :)

MετάEd

17:40

The no-profanity rule falls from two more basic rules: be welcoming, and don't be a jerk.

Mitch

What's with all this stuff (on the internet lately) about encouraging people to not say sorry?

I think people don't say sorry enough.

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Matt E. Эллен

but I want to be a jerk. and only hang out with other jerks, just like me. people who aren't jerks just don't get it. Jerk is how I was born, it's not something I can just change.

Mitch

what a jerk

How to stop apologizing for everything

All the commenters I want to say, don't stop apologizing! But it's those other jerks who should be apologizing too!

Oh I get it. The context is for people with bad self images who are overly apologetic/pushovers/buddhists/doormats. Switch the context to jerks and remove every 'not'.

Ha ha. Buddhists.

Noah

17:56

/giphy trump

so this chatroom doesnt support giphy?

that's so bad

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Mitch I meant it as an example of a kind of behaviour we enforce, in order to set the tone of the chat room. In this room we speak in sentences, mainly.

@Achu You should say "Guys, can you help me please?" not *Guy's

"fixing a lot of issues for them"

Achu

Okay, Thanks

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

"shared with my friends"

No space before a comma: "So,"

"become a best full-time developer"... what is "best" doing there?

and finally, "that's why I wanted to join"

that'll be $500 please

Jolenealaska

want not wanted

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

good catch

Mitch

18:05

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 enforce? I'd say highly suggest. If someone were to use txtspeak sincerely and with frequency, we'd all be annoyed, but it's not flaggable. we can handle it ourselves by civilly saying 'dude! that's so annoying' (or something similar)

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Mitch It's not flaggable, but it could be kick-mutable

Mitch

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 My eyes went over those pixels, too. I peer reviewed your comments and dont' disagree. That'll be 2% of whatever you receive.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 what's 'kick-mutable'?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Mitch I already allocated your 2% to @Jolenealaska

@Mitch room owners can kick people out of the room.

I've never done it so I don't know what happens. Care to volunteer? For science.

Mitch

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 for this particular example, overuse of txtspeak, don't you think that is draconian?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Mitch Not necessarily. It would depend on the room, I'd say.

Mitch

18:09

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 As my first point of order, I would kickmute myself. Also for science. My hypothesis is that it would not work out well for me.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I am being more concrete. I mean us, now, here.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Well, we're pleasant, tolerant, open-minded, easy-going folk.

So no, we wouldn't kick for that. probably.

but we also generally never flag either. It's pretty rare.

So while clicking on the room people list I find that I cannot kick-mute mods.

Mitch

so you were speaking in general then? Not for here/us/now?

also the people who are room mods are seldom here.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Mitch I was giving our disapproval of txtspk as an example of room-specific behaviour meant to encourage a certain kind of discourse.

Mitch

wait.. that has changed recently.

Kit Z. Fox

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 You can't. Mods also can't kick other mods and mods can't be suspended.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

18:13

@Mitch Well, careful. There are no "room mods".

There are mods. And there are room owners.

Mitch

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 room mod -= room owner?

Kit Z. Fox

That's one of the chat faqs we'll get to in the next few days/weeks.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Mitch a room owner has limited additional power compared to a regular chatter.

Room owners can set the title, topic, I think they can freeze the room, maybe delete it? and they can kick-mute non-mods, and they can add new owners.

So @Mitch can I kick-mute you to see what happens?

Jolenealaska

exactly what is "kick-mute"?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Jolenealaska I think the person gets kicked out of the room, and then ... dunno. maybe they can't chat when they get back in?

I've never felt the need to use it.

Mitch

18:16

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 sure. hopefully it doesn't have any long lasting cognitive effects. POCD and all that

go for it.

I'll tell you how it feels.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

It says "A high number of kicks will be reported to moderators" and "this user has been kicked and cannot return for 1 minute"

Kit Z. Fox

@Jolenealaska It's a very temporary ban.

Mitch

"l feel like I'm floating. There's a bright light. Oh. - You are currently banned from participating in this room. - retry / edit / cancel"

Kit Z. Fox

From a specific chat room.

Mitch

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 For one minute? That's just going to annoy the bear.

Jolenealaska

18:18

mods and room owners can do it?

@Mitch That's certainly my impression.

Kit Z. Fox

@Jolenealaska Yes, but mods usually suspend instead.

annotates Mitch's account

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Huh. This concludes our experiment for today. Ladies and Gentlement, my lovely assistant, Mitch!

applause

Kit Z. Fox

applauds

Mitch

Talk about expletive inducing. The message might make some more assuaging comments. Like "in order to cool things off for a bit..." or "You think you're acting like an ass, you should talk to Eddie Murphy"

Kit Z. Fox

Kick-mute is generally used in other ways to improve its effectiveness.

Mitch

18:21

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Wait...I'm missing a hand.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Mitch Now you can finally answer that riddle.

Mitch

Found it. It wasn't you guys.

Yeah I was doing some Buddhist role playing.

Nirvana..not what you'd expect.

I thought there'd be more pizza

And I went there hungry expecting a buffet

@KitZ.Fox ooh. that tickles. Wait..what does 'annotating my account' mean?

Kit Z. Fox

@Mitch Nothing. whistles

I just put a note in there to indicate that even though you'd been kick-muted, you were totally not misbehaving.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

FOR SCIENCE!

Mitch

Wait.. is that from 'Beekman's World"?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

18:28

dunno.

Matt E. Эллен

@Mitch what do you mean by "tops of web pages"?

is that one-boxing?

Mitch

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Matt E. Эллен

ah, cool

Mitch

@MattE.Эллен yes. YOu would then explain that that is called one-boxing.

because how would I know, given I don't even know how to do it.

subjunctively

Matt E. Эллен

@Mitch osmosis

Mitch

18:35

eww...

Delta Escher

When you feel down just remember

You make more than the president of Nepal

Kit Z. Fox

Do I really?

Delta Escher

He makes 27,000 a year.

Faheem Mitha

@DeltaEscher Dollars?

Delta Escher

No, cents ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

But actually, yes dollars.

Kit Z. Fox

18:47

US dollars?

Or Nepalese dollars?

Delta Escher

US

Faheem Mitha

Well, he doesn't live in the US.

Delta Escher

I used a currency exchanger

Faheem Mitha

Plus, there are other ways to make money.

Delta Escher

I mean, his job makes less than the average american's.

Pays in Nepal are usually about a dollar a day

Usually, the owner supplies food for you as well, so there's that

Faheem Mitha

18:50

Yes, Nepal is a very poor country.

My point was that if the official in question is at all corrupt (and most of them are) he has other ways of making money.

Delta Escher

But they're good people.

Faheem Mitha

But that's not much of a point, really...

Delta Escher

I guess

Nepal is a nice place.

I'd really like to visit

Faheem Mitha

@DeltaEscher How do you know? :-)

Delta Escher

You can vacation there for about $200 for one week

I read lots of travel guides about it online

Blogs, mostly

Faheem Mitha

18:52

Oh. Where are you located?

Delta Escher

That's... Not a thing I'd like to answer.

United States is as far as I go.

Faheem Mitha

@DeltaEscher Ah, sorry. I didn't realise you were one of those private people.

Delta Escher

Nah

It's just the internet

Faheem Mitha

@DeltaEscher Well, I wasn't asking for your address...

US is fine.

Delta Escher

The fear-mongering has gotten to me XD

Faheem Mitha

18:53

Anyway, that's a ways to travel.

I use my real name here. Which is pratically unique. Someone could track me down with a minimum of effort.

Delta Escher

After college I want to visit a couple of places, one after another.

Nepal

Canada

Faheem Mitha

I think people worry too much about such stuff.

Delta Escher

etc.

Faheem Mitha

@DeltaEscher Oh, so you've been to Nepal. Did you like it?

Delta Escher

I'm not in college yet.

Faheem Mitha

18:55

Ok

Delta Escher

I haven't though.

I love foreign places people overlook for nearby attractions.

For example, if I visited Nepal I'd on purposely avoid Everest.

Faheem Mitha

@DeltaEscher Sorry, I misread "want" as "went". Darn English language. Sorry.

Delta Escher

All good

The Nepalese are humble people.

Faheem Mitha

@DeltaEscher Well, don't get your hopes up.

Delta Escher

Your name must be Debbie @FaheemMitha ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Faheem Mitha

18:58

@DeltaEscher Huh?

Delta Escher

@FaheemMitha Because you're being a downer

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Faheem Mitha

@DeltaEscher No, it's Faheem.

Delta Escher

@FaheemMitha Hello Hungry

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

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