English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

EnglishMaster

00:14

Guys, aren't you tired of people using "Alice and Bob" for their example people?

Now when I here someone saying "Alice and Bob" I immediately think he/she is going to start talking something really boring that indirectly tries to tell you something else.

Anonymous

@klysium What is it about grammar that interests you?

Anonymous

If you're afraid of writing because you'll think you'll make mistakes, don't be. Just write anyway. Write, write, write. That's how you get better.

Anonymous

Reading a book on grammar won't necessarily improve your writing.

Anonymous

If you're a native speaker, you should already have a pretty good grammar of your native dialect internalized

Cerberus

Hello!

How's it slithering?

> During World War I more than 5,000 Allied ships were sunk by U-boats.

Anonymous

00:25

@Cerberus I found a lizard!

Anonymous

EnglishMaster

@klysium Don't worry too much about grammar, nowadays we intentionally make grammar mistakes to look up-to-date. Call up a KFC restaurant in hood and listen closely to English of speaker.

Anonymous

@EnglishMaster I see you've mastered the English language

EnglishMaster

Sure

Anonymous

Well done!

EnglishMaster

00:27

I'm so good in English

Thanks to my amasing talent in English, I was able to guess popular quotes from 50 Shades of Grey without reading the book or watching to movie

And I used them on girls before the author even saved her draft on her PC.

Cerberus

@snailboat Cute! Where?

EnglishMaster

Pretty funny thing happened last night

I met a girl at work and she wanted to hangout with me after work, so I accepted it. We were eating some stuffs and she said she wants to introduce to me to some pretty girls because she knows a lot of them. Then she showed me a phucking goblin so I immediately rejected it, and she said she has another one but she doesn't want to tell me right now. So we moved to a different place and she said "the second girl is me"

I was staying with her meaninglessly to hear that until 11:50 pm

I could went to a gym and worked out

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EnglishMaster

00:57

Mates

What's is the grammatical term to describe a pattern that a noun is followed by a that or where or when?

Robusto

01:24

Bob & Carol & Ted & Alice

Bob & Carol & Ted & Alice is a 1969 comedy-drama film directed by Paul Mazursky. It stars Natalie Wood, Robert Culp, Elliott Gould, and Dyan Cannon. The screenplay was written by Paul Mazursky and Larry Tucker, who also produced the film. The original music score was composed by Quincy Jones, and featured Jackie DeShannon performing Burt Bacharach and Hal David's "What the World Needs Now Is Love" and Sarah Vaughan performing "I know that my Redeemer liveth" from Part III of Handel's Messiah. The cinematography for the film was by Charles Lang. The film received four Academy Award nominations,...

@EnglishMaster What is your native language?

EnglishMaster

@Robusto Korean

EnglishMaster

01:54

I was checking out some "sexting" examples

romanceways.com/100-top-sexting-examples.html

87. I have a JOB opportunity for you. Interested?

What does that mean?

tchrist

02:20

Means someone is offering you something obscene.

EnglishMaster

Would it be still offensive and offering something disgusting if it was texted to you like "I have a job opportunity for you. Interested? _ Deputy manager of Human resources at Global Corporation"

tchrist

Bring extra toothpaste.

Nok Imchen

02:43

hi

i have a question related to slang word

nvm :)

EnglishMaster

sure

ask a question mate

SmokeDetector

05:07

[ SmokeDetector ] Nested quote blocks in body: The meaning of "You can not go out and hang out with your friends." by vincentlin on english.stackexchange.com

tchrist

Sometimes I feell like I'm getting a TMI dump:

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A: Does 'twink' imply a specific sexuality?

I've referred to my straight significant other as a twink, but the situation may be atypical. I am gender queer. I am chromosomally female but identify as male and lived a large portion of my life as ftm trans. I still have a vagina. So you could say that I'm a gay ftm dating a twink, or you coul...

Johan Larsson

05:43

@Robusto this (added an answer since the fontsize hack was not mentioned in the others)

SmokeDetector

13:09

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: Meaning and origin of British/Australian slang word 'tut' by Rick Henderson on english.stackexchange.com

Mateon1

Hello, I'm having trouble with translation of a word. What do you call the third tooth, the one that is longer? Fang doesn't sound right to me, and I've never heard of "canine" used in the context of a tooth. Is "canine" widely understood?

And is it actually right?

I'll give some context, I guess.
"I'm thinking that this image isn't right... This character's right half of the face(/mouth?) does not have a longer [?]"

Robusto

13:49

@JohanLarsson Why would I flame that?

@Mateon1 Dentists call that a cuspid.

But "canine tooth" is widely used outside of dentistry.

terdon

14:06

@Mateon1 Yes, canine is fine.

Mateon1

Alright, thank you guys :)

Mitch

14:17

@Mateon1 mccullochlaw.net/sidebar/dental_glossary_a.html

tooth #6 "cuspid (canine/eye tooth)"

Johan Larsson

@Robusto Not sure it is possible to write much uglier hack.

Mitch

@Mateon1 cuspid is what dentists and clinicians use, canine is what regular people use, eye tooth is what older people might use (or a previous generation). So 'canine' is probably the best here.

Robusto

@JohanLarsson All CSS hacks are ugly. Almost by definition.

Mitch

Who designed CSS? Was it originally just a method to pull out styles into a separate file and then messy evolution included bastardized inheritance features?

Robusto

@Mitch I dunno. But I wouldn't call it a bastardized inheritance feature.

CSS is actually quite an elegant solution. It's just that we try to think of it in the context of traditional programming and that fails to grok how expressive it is.

Once you grok the cascade, all things are possible.

Johan Larsson

14:31

yeah css def has elements of nice

nice composability

css >> js imo

extremely stringtype though

Robusto

Well, you just haven't grokked js then. ^_^

Johan Larsson

and illegal state the default in all situations

width: 100%;

no that does not do anything cos 1, 2, 3

Robusto

The thing about CSS is that if you understand it and build simple stylesheets from the ground up using best practices, it's wonderful. But if you come to a stylesheet you don't understand and start messing around, which is the case in most organizations, it can very quickly become unmanageable.

Robusto

14:56

Johan Larsson

15:13

why is it called responsive? responsive to device?

I think nonblocking

Robusto

@JohanLarsson Responsive in the CSS context means able to adapt depending on what the device and viewport dimensions are.

In other words, the same markup can appear appropriately for a phone as for a desktop system (etc.), just using different CSS in @media queries.

Johan Larsson

I wrote media queries yesterday, they are nice

Gonna grind in manual mode for a while. Then rewrite it using frameworks.

And keep the js to an absolute minimum :)

Robusto

It's good to go manual so you can understand from the ground up.

@JohanLarsson For rendering you really shouldn't use JS. If you have to write JS to handle rendering during resize events, for example, you're doing it wrong.

Johan Larsson

ok

We should pair up this weekend imo

Robusto

Pair up?

Johan Larsson

15:21

Agile. Developing software working closely with client...

pair program some css

Robusto

I'll be happy to look at what you have and offer advice.

Johan Larsson

Is ^^ correct with .

Don't remember what that heading style is called. Inline?

Robusto

Which heading style?

Johan Larsson

the bold Agile

not anbove but inline with the paragraph

trying to come up with some content

Robusto

Oh, yeah.

You should try not to use semantic elements like , , , etc.

Those hearken back to the days of tag soup and the tag. Uggh!

Johan Larsson

15:24

ty ty

Robusto

The idea is to separate markup from style.

But be aware that certain frameworks, like Bootstrap, use semantic class names (like "hidden" and so forth) that are convenient, but fly in the face of this separation. It is not clear to me whether the violation is worth the risk.

Mitch

@Robusto what to do instead?

Johan Larsson

I'll spam it and nag for review/flaming

Robusto

@Mitch Foo gets .my-class { font-weight: bold}. That way you can just change a stylesheet and unbold my-class. Or do other things to it. But if you ever want to unbold a Foo you have to override the semantic value of the tag, and that is just crazy.

Johan Larsson

has SEO meaning no?

maybe <h2> is cleaner

Robusto

15:28

@JohanLarsson It means the same as

Johan Larsson

is b bold?

Robusto

@JohanLarsson Note that <h2> and the rest are also semantic tags.

@JohanLarsson yes.

Johan Larsson

what deos :after mean?

is it like a goto label?

Robusto

It means you are placing content after a tag.

This is used for many things, but mostly people use it for clearing divs that contain floated elements and creating little doodads like arrows and such to be appended to an element. For example, a voice balloon is created using the :after pseudo-element.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: PERFECT INFINITIVE MEANING by Marcel on english.stackexchange.com

Johan Larsson

15:32

dunno what float is yet

Robusto

@JohanLarsson It removes an element from the normal rendering flow and makes it go left or right within its container. It's like text-align for block-level elements, but has a number of problems associated with it.

Mitch

@Robusto ok. separation of concerns. name an object and then act on that name elsewhere. and if you want you could call 'my-class' instead 'bold-class' and if you decide later that 'bold' means not changing the font weight but instead increasing the font size, you can do that. Is that what you're saying?

Robusto

@Mitch Yes. But the point is, you don't have to change the markup.

HTML5 introduces a different kind of semantic markup, one that is associated not with styles but organizational structures. Which is better, IMO.

Johan Larsson

15:50

css selectors are really nice

Mitch

16:05

@Robusto OK. I se the benefit of planning ahead and giving similar things the same class name and also separate styling from layout from content... but...

... but sometimes you just want to do something simply in one place and there truly is a an inherent connection between content (I guess sentences or paragraphs or somewhat atomic info sources) and layout (this paragraph really should come before that one). So I'm trying to figure out why people say what you say (very intelligent and principled sounding) but by thinking quickly it just seems like a lot of overhead when I'm trying to get the (small) job done now.

Cerberus

16:21

Oooh computer talk.

Johan Larsson

erection oooh?

Cerberus

Speak for yourself.

Robusto

16:46

@Mitch Well, all you're saying is that the rules of physics break down at the subatomic level. If you're only doing one page with one thing bolded it doesn't make any difference how you do it. In the real world, however . . .

@Mitch Also, if you're in software, you know the pitfalls of "just seems like a lot of overhead when I'm trying to get the (small) job done now." People who don't need it right, but need it right now propagate a certain kind of code that doesn't scale well in any dimension, especially time. A year down the road you won't care that you got something or other done to meet a deadline, only that your current deadline seems impossible because of some shit you or someone else wrote back then.

I'm sick to death of dealing with code that people hacked together to meet a fucking deadline. A pox on't!

Mitch

17:06

@Robusto Yes, I was realizing as I was saying things that it sounded very juvenile.

Johan Larsson

17:21

@Robusto Even if there is no deadline to blame I think 97% of all code written is crap.

Robusto

Sometimes it sure seems that way.

Johan Larsson

97% of the times yes

Cerberus

My code is clean and pretty like a daffodil!

Robusto

Cute.

Cerberus

Sending key presses to stuff is cleaner than clean, right?

Especially if you have to block input and stuff or it won't work reliably.

Of course I only use this because there is no way to interact directly with Firefox.

Or no way to interact directly with Windows without using obscure code like DLL calls.

Obscure = unknown to me.

Robusto

17:39

@Cerberus It's ok, but it would be better if there were ways to access the API of the application. You may have latency issues that cause keypresses not to register, etc.

Johan Larsson

in Lounge<C++> on Stack Overflow Chat, 1 hour ago, by Jerry Coffin

@Xeo Much like the Apple Computer motto ("That's ours--we stole it first!")

tchrist

18:16

english.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/114823

Johan Larsson

512 GB or 1TB ssd?

Cerberus

@Robusto That was ironic.

I tried to find a bit of code that would shock you.

It is terrible, but there is no other way.

That I know of.

Johan Larsson

18:31

what is it doing?

sending clix to firefox but what is the task?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@JohanLarsson it looks like it moves the viewport to the top of the page, then pastes text into the url bar and submits it.

Johan Larsson

ok

Still curious about why he automated it

Maybe a webspider?

Robusto

18:51

@JohanLarsson Because that's what hellhounds do. They automate shit.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@JohanLarsson probably so he can highlight text and auto-generate a google query with a gesture

Cerberus

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I'm not moving anything.

@JohanLarsson I have added a Verbatim button to Google. Don't mind the placement; it can easily be moved.

It works perfectly.

And it is only displayed on Google.

Johan Larsson

nice

my computer is broken, if I touch a tab in chrome it breaks

not even bsod but same kind of failure

not looking forward to installing & configuring

Cerberus

Oh, no!!

What happened?

What OS?

Do you have a clone/image available?

Johan Larsson

19:10

yes have image

win7

@Cerberus not sure, been playing with device emulation & installed the brackets editor lately. Dunno if related.

Cerberus

Hmm weird.

I am glad at least you have an imagine.

But not an image with all your programmes installed?

Have you Googled it, with that specific tab?

Perhaps there is a solution.

I wish you good luck!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus what does {control up} do?

Johan Larsson

20:18

@Cerberus ty

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 maybe it sends a control key click?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@JohanLarsson that's what it looks like to me, and in FF CTRL-up scrolls up to the top, i.e. moves the viewport

tchrist

21:05

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Q: Does using the word "ergo" come across as pompous in a work-related email?

I'm writing to someone senior to me at my organization. I gave a long-winded complaint about my experience with someone, but I must continue to work with that employee. I wanted to say "[the other employee] and I will still be needing to continue our project. Ergo, please don't convey my complain...

> Does using "ergo" sound douchey?

Do The Right Thing™.

Johan Larsson

21:30

I would not ergo

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