English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

Johan Larsson

14:01

async I/O is nice

events sounds like callback hell though

tchrist

Yes, it's the callback hell thing.

Already had a data listener. Now I need to add a direct I/O listener.

POS = Point of Sale. MSR = Magnetic Stripe Reader.

Matt E. Эллен

POS = Piece of Crap. MSR = My Seminal Romance

tchrist

Both sticky messes.

Matt E. Эллен

lol, yeah

tchrist

The vendors provide only secret Windows 32-bit drivers hidden in DLLs. You have to run them in a VM.

And you can't really debug them.

I’m using a JPOS layer, but I’m not convinced that whoever first wrote all these even knew Java.

You can develop and even build the jars on Linux or BSD/Macs, but of course you need the VM to run them. Bah.

Full of magic numbers. Even though there is a class with all the constants symbolically named. Which they don't load. And the vendor docs are like reading schematics from 1950s Japan.

So you see a magic number and have to look it up in something that looks like it's the result of Google Translate.

This is the closest I can find, and honestly, ActiveX and Javascript doesn't help me at all:

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Q: Binding to OPOS MSR DataEvent with JavaScript?

I have implemented an MSR OPOS ActiveX control for use in an IE-based web application. I have tested the device and it works; however, I'm trying to port the VBScript code found here to JavaScript for easier maintainability. I'm having trouble binding to the DataEvent with JavaScript though -- ...

But anyway, I have the data events down. Trying to get the direct i/o events going now. Which are separate listeners. If Java makes me use a separate thread, I'm going to shoot it.

And you notice how that poor person has received no answer to their question lo these many years now.

Johan Larsson

14:16

@tchrist tried a reactive style?

The async/await in C# is also nice:
var html = await webClient.DownloadStringAsync();

tchrist

@JohanLarsson I’d rather just read from an event queue, but that isn't how this works.

Okay, it could be worse:

4

Q: (ARM ASSEMBLY) MSR CPSR_C, #0x13 doesn't work

I'm writing bare metal code (no OS), for an ARM Cortex A9 processor. I need to read a register which is only accessible on supervisor mode (the multiprocessor affinity register, MPIDR). When I'm in user mode and try to execute the following instruction (to enter supervisor mode) step by step wi...

assembly arm cortex-a8

Wrong MSR. :)

Johan Larsson

:)

infinitesimal

this guy knows how to talk

Johan Larsson

dunno what an MSR is

tchrist

Magnetic Stripe Reader.

Johan Larsson

14:21

do you write js?

tchrist

This is much more like my problem-space:

0

Q: Unpack ISO8583 version 93 using jpos

Hi I am using JPOS for packing and unpacking ISO8583 version 1993 financial messages. My sample message is like "1200ð0 € (1699999900000000003110000000000000000000323221152172201308202147072013082020006504465323221152172FKL0033U 40UNI CHANDANNAGAR WEST BENGAL INDINR04130000...

iso8583 jpos

@JohanLarsson I don't think I would go so far as to say that.

I did two years of Java without every once thinking about the web or signed jarfiles or javascript.

Or certs.

Johan Larsson

Java != js

or !==== as the js guys would put it

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tchrist

Yes, but to get the Java data to your application, you end up needing Javascript.

This is not the problem.

It is . . . complicated.

I'll figure it out. I just hate working with unreliable hardware.

Stack Exchange

14:41

Limerick Machine: Try sifting the flour till it’s thin The man said to me with a grin I sifted the flour For...

posted on February 26, 2015 by sgdi

Try sifting the flour till it’s thin The man said to me with a grin I sifted the flour For nearly an hour Before I just had to give in

Johan Larsson

        internal enum Vertical
        {
            Top,
            Mid,
            Bottom
        }

        internal enum Horizontal
        {
            Left,
            Mid,
            Right
        }

I don't like both having Mid, which one would make sense to be Center?

Robusto

@tchrist Why are you conflating ActiveX and JavaScript?

Mitch

Never in my life have I heard the following...

"Unless you secretly planned for selling more replacements because of bended iPhones, if that is the case: chapeaux!)"

It is obvious the meaning: hats off to you, mad props, cheers, well played.

The question is (preliminary to a regular ELU question) is... who uses this?

It is obviously an English writer. But: (@KitZ.Fox) is this a French-Canadian thing? is it a totally French thing and this guy is being hoity toity (@crl) ? or what?

Matt E. Эллен

maybe you mean @Mr.ShinyandNew安宇, rather than Kit

RegDwigнt

@Robusto obviously you've never heard of AJAX+S, ActiveJAvaX and Script.

Robusto

14:48

@RegDwigнt And I hope I may never.

RegDwigнt

Sadly you just did.

I have shattered your hopes just like that.

Robusto

That was a dick move.

RegDwigнt

You can call me Putin, but you must not call me Cheney.

Robusto

One day I may visit the Land of No Stupid Framework Bullshit.

RegDwigнt

In other news, I cannot parse the room description. Why is @tchrist conflatinv guitarras and precios?

Robusto

14:50

@RegDwigнt It's an in-joke.

RegDwigнt

@Robusto the land is a lie, and it also won't have 72 virgins or cake.

Robusto

And it was my change, not his. Though he was the inspiration for it.

@RegDwigнt I'll settle for worldly women and pie.

RegDwigнt

That's a strange framework you're describing.

Robusto

Sounds appealing, though, don't it?

RegDwigнt

Sounds upheavaling, yes.

Robusto

14:53

@RegDwigнt What has his aunt playing the guitar to do with the price of tea in China.

RegDwigнt

Seven.

I am very confident it was seven.

Robusto

The former idiom in Spanish is equal to the latter one in English.

RegDwigнt

Who did you just call an idiom, you moroccan?

Robusto

5

A: How many adjectives can be chained without sounding weird?

The answer is seven. Seven adjectives.

Plagiarist.

RegDwigнt

Bad writers plagiarize. Geniuses steal.

Matt E. Эллен

14:54

bad plagiarists write

RegDwigнt

I've just thought of another answer: "any number of adjectives as long as one of them is not weird".

Robusto

Bad geniuses playwrite

RegDwigнt

@Robusto that I know. My problem is with the double verb. Hace tiene.

As I said, I no parse, no I no understand. Si?

Matt E. Эллен

No

No comprendo la mixing de lenguas.

RegDwigнt

I won't take nitrogen oxide for an answer.

I might take it for breakfast, but that's it.

Mitch

15:02

@MattE.Эллен Kit has some family french canadian influence, I think. But yes, @Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 might be familar with it too if it is borrowed into general canadian

Matt E. Эллен

@Mitch (and his mum is French Canadian IIRC)

Mitch

@MattE.Эллен Oh. chapeaux!

RegDwigнt

Certainly you mean private Canadian, not general.

Matt E. Эллен

backman: a rich man who was afraid of backs as a child, but after his parents were killed in a botched crime, he created the vigilante persona of Backman, using the terror of the back to instill fear into criminals.

RegDwigнt

Hence the song, Back for Good.

Mitch

15:04

whoa dude, back up!

Matt E. Эллен

@RegDwigнt lol

Mitch

Also "chapeau!" could mean "good for you".

RegDwigнt

Also, cheap-o could mean the same.

Robusto

So could chappy.

RegDwigнt

Eat your own dogfood.

Mitch

15:06

As in, "You got 3 out of 6 numbers on the lottery? Good for you!" ... bourricot.

Robusto

Would you like to visit me at my chapeau in the Alps?

RegDwigнt

Van Burricot.

Mitch

@RegDwigнt mmm... snacktime

crl

*château ?

Matt E. Эллен

Robusto

15:07

@crl *joke

Mitch

@Robusto You have a chapeau in the Alps? Good for you!

RegDwigнt

@Robusto do you even know what happens then, Larry?

crl

ok

Matt E. Эллен

chat eau de toilette

Mitch

ewww...

RegDwigнt

15:08

Feb 18 '11 at 20:19, by RegDwight

@Robusto Never mind blancmange, I remember being criticized for pronouncing eau incorrectly! I was like "o", and he was like "no-no-no, not o, o!"

Matt E. Эллен

we've got our own scent

RegDwigнt

Feb 18 '11 at 20:19, by RegDwight

That went on for hours.

Mitch

@RegDwigнt Oh

Robusto

@RegDwigнt That was my homework.

RegDwigнt

Uh sir, I just want to say, uh, that I am both, on a personal level, really enormous fans.

crl

15:09

@Mitch "chapeaux!" is like "bravo", "well done" if that's what you're asking

Mitch

In France?

RegDwigнt

Laissez composer.

crl

Yep, "Chapeaux! tu as deviné tout seul"

RegDwigнt

Et bien dans le reste de la Francophonie !

Mitch

@crl It seems to have jumped the ocean. Or at least in one small instance

crl

15:11

@Mitch There are a few others borrowed expressions like that

Mitch

Par exemple...?

RegDwigнt

Chateau migraine.

Sorry, I mean chapeau.

Erreur de noob.

Robusto

There's a female character in this game I'm currently playing, whose name is Igraine. And I was hoping her first name begins with M.

RegDwigнt

No, you. You Graine.

Robusto

My graine.

RegDwigнt

15:13

Hugh Rain.

Robusto

Safe as mouses and right as grain.

Mitch

You Graine is now part of Russia

RegDwigнt

That was them joke.

Which is why it's I Grane now and no longer U.

Robusto

@Mitch Crimea River.

RegDwigнt

Crimea and no Punishment.

Mitch

15:14

Queen of Denial

crl

@Mitch "a la", "touche", ...

Robusto

Queen of Sedge and Bee.

RegDwigнt

Touche pas a la migraine.

crl

French Words in English

Mitch

like a la mode is common, but 'touche'? as in 'touchay'

@RegDwigнt Touche pas la cartouche

RegDwigнt

15:15

@crl LOL, such fools. It'd be so much easier to list all the English words that are not from French.

Il n'y a pas des sots si incommodes que ceux qui ont de l'esprit.

crl

hehehe

Mitch

21 mins ago, by Robusto

5

A: How many adjectives can be chained without sounding weird?

The answer is seven. Seven adjectives.

RegDwigнt

0

Q: My quagmire about tenses

He wanted to tell his feeling over the incident. Why is it the word TELL is in present tense; when the word WANTED is in the past?

verbs sequence-of-tenses

Robusto

So I'm gonna hafta learn git at my new company. Is it a steep learning curve over subversion and mercurial?

RegDwigнt

Nope.

I have exactly five commands written down on my whiteboard.

гит клон
гит эдд
гит коммит
гит пуш
гит пулл

No really, for some reason them's written down in Russian.

Anyway, these have sufficed for the last five years.

Mercurial I've never used, only SVN and CVS.

Robusto

15:22

How about merging? Easier, harder, or about the same?

RegDwigнt

Which allegedly are a whole different concept than Git, but yada yada yeah whatever in the practice it's the same thing.

crl

@Robusto it's easy

RegDwigнt

@Robusto about the same for my needs, but then again I rarely ever merge at all.

Robusto

@RegDwigнt I understand all those except "edd" . . .

RegDwigнt

Add.

Robusto

15:24

Oh, duh.

RegDwigнt

English, motherfucker, do you speak it?

Robusto

po-russki, mat

crl

Fork it, use it, break it, fix it,
Comm it, push it, pull - request it,
Fetch it, branch it, patch it, fake it,
Merge it, git: it, never - https: it.

Write it, cut it, paste it, save it,
Build it, check it, quick - rewrite it,
Clone it, crack it, crop it, comp it,
Drag and drop it, gzlib - gzip it.

Protect it, pub it, grep it, drop it,
view it, code it, bug - just doc it,
Scrape it, scroll it, refresh and click it,
Copy it, paste it, rm - and erase it.

Name it, watch it, follow it, star it,
Gist it, encode it, salt - md5 shit,

5

RegDwigнt

Jaja, ich weiß was "jaja" heißt.

"Jaja" heißt "leck mich am Arsch".

Matt E. Эллен

@Robusto In my experience Hg is easier than git is easier than SVN. meging is fine so long as you have a diff tool

Robusto

15:26

My concern is that people can write custom commands in git, which may propagate to the user base? True?

RegDwigнt

Now you're asking things.

crl

No seriously, you can use simple commands like git add, git commit, git push, git pull

RegDwigнt

I've no idea.

Robusto

@RegDwigнt Am I?

Matt E. Эллен

@Robusto I've not had experience with that

RegDwigнt

15:27

@Robusto I don't know?

Robusto

@RegDwigнt You don't know?

RegDwigнt

I don't know, okay?

Robusto

room topic changed to English Language & Usage: Comport yourself as befits a speaker of English (no tags)

Mitch

@MattE.Эллен whoa dude... you find git is easier than SVN?

Robusto

Matt E. Эллен

15:38

@Mitch of course

I have made numerous mistakes in SVN and they have had tragic consequences. lives were lost. I had to get used to merging in git, but otherwise it's fine

Robusto

theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2010/10/…

@MattE.Эллен What's to get used to?

Matt E. Эллен

@Robusto oh, well with tortoisehg the merge tool had a gui. commandline merging was new for me, and I had to find a tool to help out when there was a conflict

Kit Z. Fox

@Mitch Um. I have never heard it used thus, not even ironically.

Matt E. Эллен

since I have emacs, I used its tool

Robusto

I may have to get emacs back under me fingers.

Kit Z. Fox

15:43

When I read it in my head, it sounds like the pretentious symphony director I used to know.

But yeah, Mr.Shiny would know better than I would.

Also, I'll ask my bro.

If I remember.

crl

I used meld on Ubuntu for git merges

RegDwigнt

I mag's Emacs net.

Robusto

16:00

Is an ejaculation a sack overflow? Discuss.

RegDwigнt

You have just answered your own question, but you spelled discuses wrong.

Robusto

So now Firefox wants to be your social-network venue?

0

Q: "You just won the lottery? Chapeau!"

"You just won the lottery? Chapeau!" This is the first time I have seen such usage in English. Literally 'Chapeau' means 'hat', but the intention (that I get from the internet) is something like 'My hat is off to you' or 'Hats off!' or 'Congratulations!' or 'Mad props!' or 'Good for you' o...

usage loan-words

Mitch

@MattE.Эллен You're mad! Git/mercurial have a superset of features of SVN, so you need to master SVN before thinking of using the other 2. So by definition, the other two are harder to use having a longer learning curve. They may be better but that's not easier. I forgive your transgression given that you use emacs.

Robusto

@Mitch: Shameless rep-houndery!

Mitch

@Robusto You think? I'm expecting a net voting of 0.

Also, you just insulted my dog.

Robusto

16:11

I hate your dog.

Mitch

@Robusto Kitten-lover!

Robusto

I hate your dog
He growled at me
I'd like to put him
In a tree

Mitch

something something goat

something somethety something in a boat

And I mean it to sting.

Robusto

Love me, love my doggerel.

RegDwigнt

Sans Bullshit Sans

Robusto

16:18

@RegDwigнt Nice.

The sansbullshitsans list of buzzwords.

RegDwigнt

Takes forever to load here. Must be OVER 9000 bytes.

I just won a chapeau lottery. Plzz help.

Robusto

Only if you are a Nigerian prince.

RegDwigнt

I am a Nigerian prince of Persia.

Robusto

You're not even the prince formerly known as Nigerian.

Mitch

@RegDwigнt Here's a hat.

Robusto

16:31

And there's @Reg in his new hat.

RegDwigнt

Make this ~~horrible~~ bullshit ~~picture~~ bullshit go away.

Robusto

Hey, you were the one who wanted a hat.

RegDwigнt

This picture makes you wonder why humanity exists.

Why would that person be born, do this thing, and still live?

Robusto

I already wonder that.

RegDwigнt

@Robusto In Armenia, nobody cares if you're Nigerian.

Robusto

16:34

I don't know any Armenians, so I don't care.

RegDwigнt

You know that Kardashian thing.

So the correct sentence reads, "I do know any Armenians, so I don't care".

Robusto

I do not like them, Sam-I-am.

RegDwigнt

You are Sean Penn in his worst rôle?

I always suspected that.

Kim Kar de chiens.

Robusto

Hey, you're the one with the hat.

RegDwigнt

You keep saying things and they keep being wrong.

I would visit a doctor about that.

So what Google does with the money they earn selling your personal data is teaching computers to play other computers.

Digital pimp.

Mitch

16:42

@RegDwigнt Who won?

RegDwigнt

Computers.

> The applicability of reinforcement learning agents has previously been limited to domains in which useful features can be handcrafted, or to domains with fully observed, low-dimensional state spaces. Here we use recent advances in training deep neural networks to develop a novel artificial agent that can learn successful policies directly from high-dimensional sensory inputs using end-to-end reinforcement learning. We tested this agent on the challenging domain of classic Atari 2600 games.

TL;DR: bullshit bullshit bullshit ROFLMAOWUT

Commute.

Robusto

A Beautiful Mind

Hi @KitZ.Fox.

A Beautiful Mind

17:51

Everthing is so quiet.

Kit Z. Fox

Hi @ABeautifulMind.

Staff meeting today.

A Beautiful Mind

I see.

Kit Z. Fox

I'm hoping I can stay awake for it.

A Beautiful Mind

When I was in the army, I had difficulty staying awake every day.

You know, if you really can't stay awake, just sleep.

I was thinking of what else I might say to you, but I think I have said all the essential things in that email already.

Kit Z. Fox

How are you feeling? Tired of thinking about how you feel?

Matt E. Эллен

17:56

@Mitch having used all three, I can safely say I have no idea what SVN is doing and no idea how to use it in my workflow. the other two slot in nicely.

A Beautiful Mind

@KitZ.Fox I am feeling not too good today. You know, I think I am finally making sense of what has been happening after I quit. The thing now is to have the willpower to turn the situation around. It's going to be really hard, but I will try to achieve those miracles. This will require great willpower, and also some luck.

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