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00:02
Hi @JSBձոգչ long time no see :-)
Ice Boy aka skullpatrol
00:43
@Cerberus Good. Still, love 'em or hate 'em, you have to admit Apple did the right thing in this matter.
00:55
There is such thing as “a slang”. It is not a count noun. — tchrist 2 hours ago
@tchrist you misspole "no such thing".
And I'm seeing there's a new chat feature, gravatars for at-mentioning.
Pinging @Robusto just so I can see a dream pop up.
What, @Robusto is dreaming?
No workie.
Reloading.
user116848
hi
Well, they broke something else.
When the popup happens, you can’t ESC out!
Help, I’m trapped inside of @Robusto and I can’t ESC out!
When I @tchrist and ESC, I get @tch.
Unless I do it twice, like I just did.
user116848
@RegDwigнt So where can I learn to have a sense a humor in writing/chat? Like you seem to have. Or is it natural?
00:59
But anyway, who the hell escapes in chat?
I never did any such thing.
You use to be able to cancel the whole kitten’s kaboodle.
I use it to renege on an entire line.
@Arrowfar you have to insult everyone, then pretend that's just how you roll. That is called humour.
Often, but not often enough.
And thanks for the edit.
@tchrist it is not a key I use often, or at all. Except as Ctrl+Alt+Esc to flee from a VMWare.
user116848
@RegDwigнt Oh, but that's just mean. I mean a good sense of humor without hurting anyone's feelings/ego :-D
01:01
So, this l10n module I’m using has its docs written by a German who speaks Russian but um less than optimal English. It is tough going. So of course the examples are in German and Russian, but the docs are allegedly in English but aren’t, really.
@Arrowfar egos cannot be not hurt. Give up on it.
He did get better with more recent releases.
@tchrist sounds right up my alley.
user116848
@RegDwigнt okay :)
I wondered whether he was one of those German Russians you were telling me about, or vice versa.
01:02
I was telling you? I do not remember.
Except for that one guy who wondered if all blacks were French.
But he was no German Russian, just a normal Russian.
But they were in Germany for generations, but the Germans still called them Russians. Something like that. Then again, that is not odd.
Also, I'm not really here and I have no intention of sticking around, so don't get too comfy just yet.
@tchrist oh like Helene Fischer, I see.
Steffen Winkler. German name, I see, not Russian.
He’s on holiday in the UK right now; I sent him mail.
Now, why would a German go on holiday up north instead of down south? Hm.
01:05
Helene Fischer is what happens to you when you are a Russian but decide to be German. You look like 42 even though you're 24.
It’s like African-Americans here for centuries being called Africans by Americans and Americans by Africans.
The Russians are like the second-youngest looking people after the Japanese.
Well, except for the blokes.
@RegDwigнt Ages you.
@RegDwigнt In your dreams, pal.
Yes, Jasper.
01:06
@Robusto NO UR.
I can't even spell your dream.
user116848
Yes, Russians are good looking. Esp. gals.
Something something thirteen strokes. Or perhaps fifteen.
@tchrist I can try a laxative if that helps.
Seriously though, is it eleven or twelve?
@RegDwigнt Russian women are beautiful girls until suddenly they are babushkas.
01:08
@Robusto as I said. Japanese.
All the English-speakers writing l10n software never think about how you have to be able to specify case. A German speaker knowing Russian was cleverer by half.
Is that a gangster?
@RegDwigнt The fate of all women everywhere. As Amy Schumer says, "My whole life is one big countdown to that last fuckable day."
@RegDwigнt This is so silly. I’m getting ready for bed and you are still up.
01:10
Speaking of catering to stereotypes, at least they are no Indians. Who are gorgeous girls until they turn babushkas at around age 23.
You're getting ready for bed at 7:00pm?
It’s getting dark.
I can’t help it.
I am a prisoner of the sun.
@Robusto oh I haven't checked on Amy Schumer in about two years. Is she a babushka yet?
Actually, the company I work for is on EDT, so it helps to start early to sync.
You want to see dark? Play The Last of Us. Which I just finished, btw. Now that's dark.
01:11
@Robusto I heard mixed reviews.
Then the game got released and everyone is like whoa.
So I was reading a book about anti-gravity, and I just couldn't put it down.
But I still remember the initial mixed reviews.
So I'm not playing.
It’s been so long since I watched anything I really enjoyed, I’m starting to forget what it’s like.
It's fucking hard, but lots of fun and the story is great.
points to anti-gravity joke above
Whoosh.
@Robusto this table is magical. It keeps our books from falling down. -- Jeff Winger.
01:12
Ha, coincidentally I watched one of the old Community episodes earlier today.
Please give this gent a gold: he’s the discoverer:
99
A: When was the shellshock (CVE-2014-6271) bug introduced, and what is the patch that fully fixes it?

Stéphane ChazelasThe bug was in the initial implementation of the function exporting/importing introduced in bash 1.13 (circa 1993) at a time where bash was not in such widespread use, before security was such that much of a concern and the web was in its infancy. It's easy to understand how it got there. bash ...

Not-so-coincidentally, I watch one every day.
Old is best.
@tchrist I'll upvote it only if I don't have to read it.
Thanks.
The whole thing is mindnumbingly addlepated, the worst bug I have seen in decades.
I'm not joined up on that site so I can't vote.
I'm joined up on every site ever, so I can't vote anywhere because I'm too busy voting elsewhere.
01:15
I try to be signed up to anywhere they migrate my questions to so that I can get free passive rep there, too.
To sell it for... what, exactly?
Discovery is disco, very.
Passive rep is very predictable:
@Robusto This is the sound of my mind being blown.
01:16
Strunk & White hate passive rep.
@RegDwigнt I'm here to help.
With that part, anyway.
I’ve done virtually nothing on SO since becoming more active on ELU. That’s the passive-growth “curve” in action.
@tchrist One day I will plot your reputation with us here. But that day is not today.
That’s right there.
ELU is blue, SO is red.
Flatliners is a 1990 American sci-fi thriller film directed by Joel Schumacher, starring Kiefer Sutherland, Julia Roberts, Kevin Bacon, William Baldwin and Oliver Platt. Five medical students attempt to find out what lies beyond death. They conduct clandestine experiments that produce near-death experiences. The movie was directed by Joel Schumacher, and it was nominated for an Academy Award for Best Sound Editing in 1990 (Charles L. Campbell and Richard C. Franklin). It was filmed between October 1989 and January 1990. == Plot == Nelson Wright (Kiefer Sutherland), convinces four of his medical...
@tchrist I got to 10K in about 10 months on SO, then pinched off that loaf and have appreciated only 75% in the last four years.
01:18
Hm.
@tchrist Sugar is sweet, and so are you.
@RegDwigнt Our flatliners are directed by Joel Spolsky, not Joel Schumacher.
You don’t know me very well, do you now?
@Robusto going by the surnames, same difference.
“Sweet” is not the one of the five basic flavors most commonly attributed to me.
01:19
I think you mean "given" names.
"Roses are red" can refer to a specific poem, or a class of poems inspired by that poem. It has a Roud Folk Song Index number of 19798. It is most commonly used as a love poem. == Lyrics == The most common modern form of the poem is: Roses are red, Violets are blue, Sugar is sweet, And so are you. == Origins == The origins of the poem may be traced at least as far back as to the following lines written in 1590 by Sir Edmund Spenser from his epic The Faerie Queene (Book Three, Canto 6, Stanza 6): It was upon a Sommers shynie day, When Titan faire his beames did display, In a fresh fountaine, farre...
It has a Roud Folk Song Index number of 19798. And so do you.
@tchrist Nor is umami, unless I'm much mistaken.
I’m umami and everybody knows is.
Pick again.
I try to be meaty, but it seldom works out.
@Robusto I must not use such big words. Only God the Lord giveth.
See?
And Lucifer plummets.
01:20
@tchrist you're your mummy?
Bill.
Will Robinson.
Lennier.
Ha, I typoed umami as umai, because there is a Japanese adjective umai which means "tasty."
Thank you!
Ii.
And I don't mean the Japanese good, I mean the German ew.
Itte-dritte, Frau-Madam.
user116848
01:22
@RegDwigнt Where did you learn German?
Funny, but *umai* may be rendered 巧い or 旨い or 甘い or 美い or 上手い or 美味い and it means exactly the same thing.
1: skillful; clever; expert; wise; successful;
2: delicious; appetizing; appetising;
3: fortunate; splendid; promising

What the hell, do they think they're English with all these variant spellings?
@Arrowfar in Germany.
@Arrowfar Alleyways.
As most people do.
@Robusto same as NOU.
user116848
@RegDwigнt Is it your first language?
01:23
@Arrowfar NOU.
user116848
I see :-)
I think at this point in life you can submit, and have it accepted, that I do not have a first language.
Or a language, for that matter.
You have a tongue. Does that count?
Those are a dime a dozen at a butcher's of your liking.
Apropos la chanson, I can never get over how over-the-top campy straight&married David Walliams always is compared with gay Simon Cowell, who is anything but campy.
01:26
In other news, I'm still not here, so you go talk to each other or stuff.
So that was "Fall as Lucifer fell" for the reference.
They went on to win.
Sep 24 at 1:16, by Robusto
I mean, from music into advertising? Lucifer didn't fall so far so fast.
This reference? ^
@RegDwigнt What are you doing up so early?
My landlord's bitch is called Luci, after Lucifer.
@Robusto I am counterpointing tchrist, who is doing up so late.
No, only the Lord giveth, but Lucifer falleth.
Also, it's Saturn's day.
01:29
The day of old age.
@RegDwigнt No it isn't either. It's Sam's Day in Germany.
The last day of them all. Morrow is the raptchah.
Pity about Ouranos, though.
user116848
@Robusto What does "Lucifer didn't fall so far so fast" mean here? I read in your context too, still can't seem to understand
@Arrowfar Which part don't you understand?
01:30
I can settle for sunnanæfen if need need be.
@tchrist and just don't you get me started on ouroubourous.
user116848
@Robusto Only this sentence: "Lucifer didn't fall so far so fast"
Do you know anything about Milton's "Paradise Lost"?
@Robusto Milton is dead. That count as anything?
@RegDwigнt Beowulving again?
And Lucifer never existed. So what?
01:31
@tchrist no, wikipediaeing.
user116848
@Robusto I have heard about it. Yes.
@Robusto fer clearly stands for iron. Iron exists. Thus, you are proven wrong.
I read it as the German than looked again, heh.
Paradise Lost is an epic poem in blank verse by the 17th-century English poet John Milton (1608–1674). The first version, published in 1667, consisted of ten books with over ten thousand lines of verse. A second edition followed in 1674, arranged into twelve books (in the manner of Virgil's Aeneid) with minor revisions throughout and a note on the versification. It is considered by critics to be Milton's major work, and helped solidify his reputation as one of the greatest English poets of his time. The poem concerns the Biblical story of the Fall of Man: the temptation of Adam and Eve by the fallen...
Haha. "Epic poem".
Con Air is an epic movie in blank verse by the 20th-century moron Bruckheimer.
01:33
@Arrowfar Would it help you if I said, "Humpty-Dumpty didn't fall so far so fast"?
@RegDwigнt Once upon a time, epic meant something.
@tchrist yeah so did "a". Now it's been degraded to a mere nothing.
Épée still means something.
Mar 13 '11 at 15:10, by RegDwight
@Robusto Probably. But yeah, I don't remember any flaws with the German translation of The Club Dumas. What I do remember, as I mentioned earlier, is how my father complained about the Russian translation of The Fencing Master, because it kept mixing up épées with rapiers.
LA Rapers, mind you.
@RegDwigнt Something more . . . epopœan.
01:34
What kind of popo? On a second thought, don't answer.
Epic.
Epic paeans.
Papa Gallo.
So... "epic epopœan" is just what Naughty America's Ass Masterpiece would be called if it were run by Homer.
I could use a drink.
I will use it first.
I've been using drinks all afternoon.
If you use it first, I won't use it second.
01:36
Such is your wont.
America’s Nasty-Ass Masterpiece: is that the US equiv of Britain’s Got Talent?
Where do you go to see your rep plot like you posted above?
@tchrist We will never know. Think about it. Never.
@Robusto StackExchange master site.
Mine or yours?
@RegDwigнt Where there?
Gimme cock.
Sorry, I’m busy with a pussy in my lap just at the moment.
Very literally.
@Rob You’re asymptoting.
01:39
@tchrist Used to be. Not anymore.
Asy being German for white trash.
White trailer trash, sorry.
@RegDwigнt Usually people ask for beers for jinxing. You must be hanging out with more barking doglets than I do.
Didn't mean to omit the middle initial.
@tchrist such is this chat.
I only know jinx from here. True fact.
I don't recall seeing any trailer trash in Germany. But then, I didn't see a Waffle House or a Jimmy Dean's, either.
I then caught it once in an old Seinfeld episode, but that was after learning about it in this chat.
01:41
Do you know why there are no trailer parks in Germany?
@Robusto that's because the rôle of everything trailer in Germany is being played by the Dutch. And who ever pays attention to these.
@RegDwigнt Them funny Koreans.
Because the Germans don’t believe in keeping their trash in camps, but spread it all over the countryside instead.
@tchrist because there are. The whole Rhine is plastered with'em.
@tchrist fran drescher laugh
I just could never get over how much litter there was everywhere I have ever gone in Germany. And when German friends visited Boulder for hikes, we would come to peaks as I had earlier done with them in Bavaria, and they always said, wow how different from home: there is no trash all over here.
01:44
@tchrist don't you ever visit Russia, then.
Germany is the tidiest continent ever compared to Eastern Europe.
In Scandinavia I trust.
Oh and Paris.
In Paris, trash litters you.
Dog shit on every corner, around every corner, and instead of every corner. Abysmal.
Switzerland: the only country who makes the French seem inelegant, the Germans seem untidy, and the Texans seem unrich.
Also, hobos and old newspapers and shit. And shit. And shit.
It's kind of funny, because the Germans have a reputation for cleanliness in St. Louis. The German immigrant community there came to be called the "scrubby Dutch" because they were always cleaning everything.
01:46
Paris and dog shit. Yes.
@Robusto them cleans them's cars, that much's fo sho.
And the roving gangs of feral felines.
Mar 19 '11 at 14:56, by Robusto
My brother-in-law, who works for a Swiss company, says the Swiss are just like the Germans, only without the sense of humor.
In Madrid they do mega-street/sidewalk cleaning every night, but all the dog shit seems to come back the next day anyway.
Sep 19 at 18:51, by RegDwigнt
@Jez your complete and utter lack of humour never ceases to amaze me. Are you sure you are actually a Brit? You keep proving time and again that you're a German.
So much for British humour.
01:47
Germans laugh more than Dutch.
I can name twenty-seven Germans right now that are more funny than an average Brit in this chat.
user116848
@RegDwigнt So Germans don't have sense of humor?
Wait, I missed an at.
In Paris I recall seeing street sweepers using besoms, except the twigs were plastic. True story.
@Arrowfar Sense is German for scythe. You be the judge.
01:48
@Arrowfar Right. And if that is true, imagine how much less of a sense of humor the Swiss have.
That is just wrong, in so many ways.
@Robusto in Paris, everyone uses bosoms. And the virgins are all trimming their twigs.
Par for the course, actually.
Brits have marvelous humor, sere and deadpan though it may be. They just don’t have to guffaw to say something amusing.
No laugh track.
@Robusto if that is par, I don't want to see the course.
01:50
Besom is a dialectal or historical word for what is now known as a broom, a household implement used for sweeping. The term "besom" is now mostly reserved for a "traditionally constructed" broom, made from a bundle of twigs tied to a stouter pole. The twigs used could be broom (i.e. Genista, whence the modern name "broom" for the tool), heather or similar. The song Buy Broom Buzzems from Northern England refers to both types of twig. From the phrase broom besom the more common broom comes. == Description == As a result of its construction around a central pole, the brush of the besom is rounded...
Why does it have the wrong icon?
And the wrong color?
Le besoin recouvre l'ensemble de tout ce qui apparaît « être nécessaire » à un être, que cette nécessité soit consciente ou non. De nombreuses classifications des besoins ont été proposées (cf. ci-dessous). Elles sont souvent contestées au motif qu'elles postulent que les besoins sont identiques pour tous les êtres humains. Ce postulat est en particulier relativisé sinon contesté par l'existence du désir, du projet ou de la vocation, qui – pour les psychologues et les psychanalystes – constituent le fait majeur de la personne en tant que sujet. == Étymologie == Le terme provient du francique «...
Don’t make me look for bosoms.
You always misspell an in as an m.
You don't have to look for bosoms. They show up all over the place.
01:51
J’ai besom de besoms?
@Robusto also, German Besen. Case closed.
@RegDwigнt Which case? Nominative? Genitive? Accusative?
GIS for "Hexe auf dem Besen".
@Robusto seven.
Hah.
Now you have to post shit to make it scroll away.
As opposed to posting shit, period.
01:53
Or I could just go to bed.
You must pay thrist royalties first.
He is the copyleft holder.
Anyway, my point was that why would you have a besom with twigs made of plastic?
OK, I'm out.
That did it.
01:54
Good night.
This is no fair, I was going to leave first.
I must attend to demanding pussies.
I was going to leave before Rob even showed up.
Moi je demande...
Toi t'as besoin de...
Night all.
01:55
Right on. Good thinking.
Over and out.
Des chats.
02:13
@tchrist that goes too well with the Steve Winwood that Pandora is giving me just now.
I dare you to listen to "Higher Love" while watching that dog.
@Robusto Yes, certainly. So far as we know, Apple in general does more to protect your privacy, probably.
It has always been possible to encrypt your phone in Android, by the way, as far as I know. But I guess turning it on by default has its merits.
One problem, however, is that it generally doesn't work well with SD cards.
03:03
@Cerberus What won't happen in most of Europe?
@Cerberus one more advantage to not having SD cards.
03:20
Oh yes, Sony Memory Sticks are the wave of the future — provided that that future is shared with Betamax and Laser Discs.
@tchrist I think even Sony knew that eventually there'd be a single industry standard and it wouldn't be Memory Stick
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Making the encryption of files on your phone illegal.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 One of the few. And it can no doubt be circumvented.
@Cerberus It's not that it will be illegal. It will just be required that there be a back door for government access.
@tchrist I want a Memory Stick!!
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I don't see that happening in most of Europe either...
@Cerberus No? why not? in the UK you can already be sent to prison for refusing to provide decryption keys.
03:32
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Yes, England is one of the worst places in Europe at the moment.
But I am not saying that might not happen in most of Europe.
Because it is targeted.
It's not blanket surveillance.
@Cerberus Anyway, do you think Apple et al will make smartphones without backdoors just for Europe, if, eg, the US, UK, India, China, etc, all require backdoors?
That is possible in theory. But I rather think the Americans won't enforce it, because Apple & co.'s lobby will convince them that it will be extremely damaging to their entire electronics sector.
The same applies to countries like Japan, Korea, and Taiwan, which make most of our phones.
And I don't think the Chinese will do it either.
@Cerberus You don't think the Chinese will require backdoors? I'm sure they're looking for a way to get away with it.
Japan, Korea, Taiwan... they may not require backdoors for their own people, but if large enough markets require back doors they'll happily make the phones to sell in those markets.
Anyway it will be interesting to see what happens.
cya
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 But then people will not buy their electronics any more. Look at the backlash against American electronics since Snowden, whose effects have still not fully played out. So those companies will make sure their governments don't enforce backdoors.
04:07
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Q: Does 'scent' have a silent 's' or a silent 'c?'

user3365247In the word "SCENT" which letter is silent "S" or "C".

this seems to have been migrated from meta, but has no mechanism to answer. What am I missing?
@tchrist, as long as I'm here, how is your knee? Steadily better, I hope.
@medica That is what a doctor would say, and has.
I, however, am less than impressed and less than comfortable.
I am impatient.
I am no longer a cripple proper, merely someone with some mobility impairment and occasional acute pain.
My physician says everything is on track. The good news is that the connective tissue between the pieces of the bipartite patella appears to be scarring over into its original stable state, not a floating and unstable one.
I just broke down and took 5mg oxycodone. I’ve been lying in bed alone with only my pain and my kitty or kitties, and it was interfering with rest.
@medica it's closed
I also applied topical antiflammatories again. I have been using less of all that, and no longer use a crutch. But I still can’t go galavanting about.
@Shog9 Oh you’re here. I should ping you again about October. I actually have an also-business reason as my new company is looking at some of the SE stuff for licensed use. I figure it wouldn’t hurt to get to know some of you better.
@tchrist yes - be in Denver on the 23rd
also, don't license stuff from us
I'm not sure what you were thinking of licensing, but unless it's ad inventory or job listings it can't be good
the best stuff we have, we give away free
Well, it’s the free stuff.
They want a better Q&A system.
I have nothing to do with these decisions. Those are other people. I’m not sure the reputation thing maps well to a corporate environment.
It would be solely for internal use. I cannot even remember what the free stuff is called.
Just that it was mentioned recently as a possible option to get out of the somewhat less than desirable system they currently use.
04:24
hmm
This sounds like it could be an interesting conversation
Good.
My first big project for them is applying l10n to an existing project; another guy on the team just already did the i18n footwork that has to be taken care of first. All the intracompany communication stuff is handled by non-customer-facing internal IS people. I work for a customer-facing team.
There are several systems in use, and the programmers rather liked the SE model.
If I ever write a sentence without a typo, you can be sure it is my cat, not me.
it's an appealing model... especially if you don't have to deal with the plumbing
Since it would be internal only, there would be no problems of anonymous cowards or incorrigible trolls. The corporate culture is quite different, not conducive to that.
We’re more than half programmers, a very large percentage. It’s nice to be considered business-critical again.
Which reminds me, I need to change my SE profile. I got not just permission but encouragement to publicly declare my current corporate affiliation. The previous one was too much in the eyes of public uproar regarding the telecomm–NSA stuff, and I was in the group that would have been picked on for what we were legally obligated to do.
These guys pay for us to go to lots of tech conferences. The offices at the mother ship are all heavy into dark oak desks and nice windows with doors and all. It’s nice. But 90% of devs are remote. We’re about to be 4 in the local Denver area, one on my immediate team. So we get to do pair-programming in person. He’s off to the Himalayas distributing Shoes for Sherpas (that’s a local charity you may recognize) right now. Haven’t heard from him; hope no avalanches.
nice
about the new gig and remote work, not the avalanches
In other words, they wouldn’t even ask me to take PTO to come to Denver on October 27th, for various reasons including our technology investigations and desire for more corporate visibility. And I can meet with one of my peers there easily enough.
Like a lot of us, I’ve been through enough subgood gigs to know a good one when I’ve found it.
I’m off to bed again. Just got up to get water and some knee-pain relief. Talk to you by and by.
 
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hey
hey
08:49
I don't know why people debate on obvious topic like "technology is boon or curse?"
 
2 hours later…
10:38
@hey They have nothing better to do. Probably some silly school homework.
 
6 hours later…
16:35
This chat is dead.
That's the 34th time you've said that. I counted.
17:03
@terdon I only counted 14.
@IceBoy You missed a few.. He's deleted and re-created his account so his ID has changed.
icic
:-)
user116848
Maybe not many people here due to weekend
user116848
hi, terdon and skull :D
hi pal
user116848
17:14
Hey :-) How is it going?
Fine thanks, how are you?
user116848
I am fine, thanks.
user116848
You watch football on weekends usually?
user116848
ic
17:16
the raiders are playing in London England
user116848
Oh, cool!
user116848
How are they doing?
user116848
ic
@Arrowfar Soccer or American football?
I happen to know that I must use Ctrl+Alt+Print Screen+REISUB if my linux freezes, lol.
17:32
That's nothing to do with Linux, it's OS-independent.
hey
hey
17:45
@WillHunting ubuntu does not require to press "ctrl"
user116848
@WillHunting I don't watch it. Skull watches American Football.
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