It searches for a white pixel within certain coordinates.

Currently, the x coordinates of those points are: the width of the Firefox window minus 103 pixels, and minus 101 pixels.

Yes I can understand those lines of code.

By the way, you won't have a way to invert page colours, would you?

I don't think there is any way to do that in FF.

Chrome, however, has a very nice extension for it: Hacker Vision.

Hmm I don't know.

No idea.

There's only NegativeScreen. But that's a Windows program.

(The y coordinates are: 10 and 50.)

So it inverts the whole display.

Hmm it cannot just invert one programme?

No.

It does have some different varieties of colour inversion/change.

There is Blank your monitor, but it breaks almost everything that is not text.

Hmm.

Do you need it for reading at night?

BTW, I should make it clear that dactyl doesn't always detect all clickable items. So I have to resort to the mouse when I need to click them. But for the most part, it does.

It won't save power unless you have an OLED screen.

@Cerberus Yes, I don't like bright.

@Alraxite Poor you!

OK.

@Cerberus And CRTs!

By the way, I have updated the Autohotkey script in Pastebin, the same link: pastebin.com/bqt6ph6Y

But I do not have a CRT.

OK.

@Alraxite Oh haha.

It would be very weird if my laptop had a CRT display..

So it should work, as long as it can find a white pixel in Firefox's address bar (for which you will probably need to change coordinates), and as long as Autohotkey can detect the title of your active page.

OK, sure.

Of course there may be something I forgot.

I may need to do some tweaking. Hopefully I'll manage

And you'll have to add more hotkeys if you need more than the ones I have already included.

Be aware that there may be optimisations in my script that are not obvious.

Alright.

For example, the script only searches for the white pixel / address bar when needed, to save time when it isn't needed.

Oh, and one more thing: Home and End are a little more difficult to get right, because the page doesn't know where your cursor is after you click on the address bar.

I have tried to work around it, as you can see in the script. But it is far from perfect. You may want to remove those keys if unexpected clicks happen.

Right, sure. I'll come back to this conversation to read again what you said, since it might take some time for me to get around to testing it, since I've some other things to do (related to driver updates among others).

But hopefully, I'll get it right.

Haha sure.

Some tweaking is always necessary if you want to do something with Autohotkey that actually depends on what the GUI on an entirely different system looks like, as in colours and positions.

And for bright screen display, I currently use DimScreen (an AHK script!) which dims the screen much below than what is possible.

Oh, I didn't know it could do that.

Yes.

At any rate, it is bed time for me...

@Cerberus It's online, you can find it.

Good luck on your driver updates!

Thank you. And good night to you!

@Alraxite I don't need it at the moment, but if I ever do...

Adieu!

Bye!

@Cerberus I think it works by adding a transparent dark layer on top of the screen.

@Alraxite Ah, that makes sense.

I use that on my phone for reading in bed, actually.

By the way, if you want to see how quick mouse gestures can be:

I see that not all of your heads have gone to sleep.

Especially how he minimizes a couple of screens in a row at the end, that is really fast.

@Alraxite Indeed not. But they should have!

This is the script:donationcoder.com/Software/Skrommel/DimScreen/DimScreen.ahk

Ah, Donation Coder is nice.

(By the way, only the first 59 seconds of the video demonstrate mouse gestures, the rest is less interesting.)

It is impressive.

I haven't used the mouse for this, but it does seem to make it a lot more useful.

Yeah, it does.

Even if you only use it when you're using the mouse anyway.

Like in Photoshop.

Or Windows Explorer.

A simple line to the left is "go back to the previous folder".

A line up is "copy", down is "paste", etc.

I primarily looked for keyboard-accessible alternatives because of how slow I found using the trackpad. After adding such alternatives, I most of the time didn't need to use the trackpad, and after that I assumed that if I go back to using the mouse it'd be as useless and annoying as the trackpad. But I do admit the mouse is definitely useful.

The trackpad, however, sucks.

Oh, yes, a trackpad is far worse, very slow.

It's just nice to have an alternative to either method.

I suppose it's good to have a change to use something else instead of pushing buttons.

Some people always use the mouse for X, the keyboard for Y. But it is really nice to be able to use the keyboard for 90% of things, and the mouse also for 90% of things. Then you can always choose.

Except when you're doing one 10% or the other.

The only thing is that you need to memorise certain hotkeys or gestures...

I suppose. The problem is that how many times you need to switch between them for small tasks. Dactyl helps me to considerably lessen them and make the durations of using one input device at a time longer.

In itself, both tools are great, it's the switching and its frequency that matters.

But I would still imagine myself using the keyboard more if I use a computer with a mouse. I will still stand by with the assertion that the keyboard has more potential to be efficient than the mouse.

But otherwise, the mouse is very fast and much more so with gestures.

I will agree.

@Cerberus BTW, I remember reading a comment of someone with the name of Cerberus TM (with TM as superscript) on a review/comparison page about applications like Launchy, Executor, FARR, etc. I suspect it was you.

I got reminded of this because FARR is a program hosted at donation coder.

@Alraxite I think we agree on the principles.

Most people in this room don't even understand the principles!

@Alraxite Hmm that is possible, I often use ™.

Do you remember what page it was?

@Cerberus Yes, I would think so.

@Cerberus I think it was a very old comment.

@Cerberus Hmm, let me see.

I know many people recommend FARR, but I found Executor more intuitive, I have used it for many years and always liked it.

freewaregenius.com/…

I remember you ending the comment with "life is good" so I searched in google, "cerberus" "life is good" executor and found the site!

@Cerberus I haven't got around to using one. But I was considering FARR too.

I think I've used Executor when I used to use XP.

@Alraxite Haha hilarious.

:D

Funny that you should have found me there.

You're an Internet Sherlock

Well, I was looking for a good "launching" program.

Executor is slightly less needed in Windows 7, but it is still a lot faster than the built-in search function in 7, so I still recommend it.

OK.

And it requires basically no set-up.

Just install and go.

Assign a shortcut to it.

I do a gesture left-right to open Executor.

I don't have much against setting-up if I can make it work how I want it to.

I'm all for customizability.

Oh, it has lots of options.

It probably does.

I think I'll end up trying both.

Yay!

I have tried FARR, and Launchy too, I think.

But I settled on Executor.

I remember using Launchy on XP. FARR I believe is very light weight (less on memory resources).

No, wait, my gesture for Executor is right-left. See, my hand knows it blindly, my conscious mind doesn't need to know it any more.

Heh, I see.

Left-right is "reopen last closed tab" in Firefox.

On dactyl, it is simply u.

What if you are in a text box typing?

I press escape.

That doesn't work in this chat?

Escape just clears the box.

When you're in insert mode (which is when you're in a text box typing), it doesn't work. You have to be in what is called normal mode.

Well, my mouse gestures work anywhere I want them to.

No, escape in dactyl removes the focus from the box and focuses the page instead.

I see.

If I type 2u, it will open the second-last closed tab.

Then how do you clear the text box in SE chat?

I press Ctrl-u.

@Alraxite That's nice, I cannot do that in one gesture.

It's a shortcut that I believe is in Vim too.

@Alraxite Hmm I really hate having to hold down keys, I do that as little as possible...

Ctrl-k removes the words in front until the end of the sentence.

@Cerberus Unless you have all your fingers on the home row, that's not quite as easy.

How does it know where the end of the sentence is?

Hmm, I haven't actually looked into that. Probably where it encounters a full stop? Or perhaps a new line.

@Alraxite I even make mistakes with shift, like ENglish or english.

Must be something like that.

@Cerberus I have backspace remapped to Caps+; just because it is too far away.

Haha.

That's not such a bad idea.

And I find pressing the latter quite easy.

I think I once had Backspace mapped to Escape.

But I pressed it by accident too often, I think.

Caps+e is escape for me.

That's not a bad idea.

Dactyl provides Ctrl+h for backspacing too.

Double Capslock opens my IPA script.

I see.

And I have Caps+' as delete.

Caps+n/p as PgDown/PgUp.

Sɔ I cæŋ typə ɬɪke ðis.

I can access almost all keys from the home row.

@Cerberus Cool!

That is indeed convenient.

Escape and backspace are rather far away.

I haven't implemented function keys, but I will.

I don't use those a lot.

Me neither, but just for completeness I will do it :P

I have Caps+Ctrl+X to close window.

Another really nice use of "mouse" gestures, in this case using a touch pen.

Bed time! Good luck with your hotkeys!

And Caps+r switches windows.

Good night!

Make sure that none of you heads stay awake this time.

Or you won't be able to sleep

Also function keys like F2 is useful when you want to rename files.

Yes, I use F2.

Oh! And I have a program that lets you use the context menu on files through the command line.

@Cerberus Yes, when you want to write text on screens, mouse gestures are a necessity.

So you will never need to use the mouse to right-click on files again!

@Cerberus Hmm, how does it work?

I have Caps+X (though I might change it) to send <Appskey>.

@Alraxite Well, the standard way in that program is by long-click menus: all of those things he does with red gestures are normally done by accessing right-click menus.

@Alraxite It also works if you don't have any Explorer windows open!

@Cerberus Yes, I agree. It's very useful in this case.

@Cerberus So, the context menu opens in the command-line or something?

Nothing happens visibly.

It works deep in Windows, presumably.

> Run, D:\Programs\Cautomaton (0.9.0)\cautomaton32.exe /a "c:\Documents and Settings[user]\Desktop\Test.txt" "FileMenu Tools | Open With Notepad", , Hide

This is a test line.

Oh, I see.

That's cool.

It can also access functions in submenus, such as the FileMenu Tools submenu.

But you have to type all that every time you want to do that?

whitehat.dcmembers.com/pages/software/cautomaton.php

Evening.

@Alraxite I run it in Autohotkey of course!

@Cerberus I see.

That line is a line from my Autohotkey script.

Hello.

So just in case you want to automate something that you have to use the context menu for, now you can do it without the context menu, directly through a hotkey.

@Mahnax Evening!

It's late for you.

And for me!

@Cerberus That's interesting.

So if you want to edit rather than open a file, for example, you can do that with a hotkey.

@Cerberus No kidding! Do you plan on sleeping anytime soon?

I plan on sleeping in -4 hours!

So four hours ago.

Excellent.

@Cerberus So you first select the file and then execute that hotkey?

Oh lord, Cerby. It's 8:30 where you are.

Do you have to work today?

@Alraxite Well, no: you put the file location/name you want to operate on directly in the command.

@Cerberus Oh, I see.

So it can all happen in the background.

That seems useful.

If you want to do it on a file you have selected, you need to use Autohotkey to get the location/name of the selected file, then use it in the command (as above) as a variable or something.

I was still experimenting with it.

@Mahnax Nope, its Sunday!

The Day of the Lord and all.

@Cerberus Oh, right. And I suppose your boyfriend's not over, otherwise he likely would've objected to The Eternal Computer Glow.

Haha, yes, absolutely.

Although the computer is not visible from the bedroom.

Does he know about us? I always wonder.

No.

I imagine you could send AppsKey and then the relevant number of ups or downs to reach the option or use alt combinations instead. But that seems less reliable and not possible in the background.

@Cerberus Wow, you must have a really big apartment, relatively speaking.

I sometimes mention "a friend from [foreign country]" when I talk about you people.

That's a joke about how tiny European apartments are, btw.

@Cerberus Ah, nice.

@Alraxite Exactly. And new items might appear in the context menu. Or you might reorder them.

@Mahnax Mmm not really, just two rooms!

Oh haha.

woosh

@Cerberus That usually won't happen with me I think but that is true.

Actually, many people my age live in only one room here, because it's so expensive.

@Alraxite Different files have different context menus, with different options.

There are so many variables.

Cautomaton uses the name of the function.

Yes but your solution still creates file-specific hotkeys.

It is definitely inconvenient to add code for every file.

Yes, well, you can use Autohotkey to remedy that.

I have been experimenting with it.

I got it to work, I think.

I was taking about Authotkey.

I think it was fairly reliable.

Hmm, OK. How?

pastebin.com/KJ3KYKH8

A test script.

Let me put it in a pastebin.

It's OK here too.

Going by the length of that terrifying script, it probably works.

Ah, I remember what the script does.

And the hotkey: alt+control+shift+win+v.

If you do control-V on a folder, it pastes the file from your clipboard into the folder, if you have a folder selected. Otherwise it will simply paste as normal.

I see. That sounds convenient.

@Alraxite I do that just to make sure it doesn't interfere with any real shortcuts I use, when I'm testing stuff. Although I do use hotkeys like that for mouse gestures (the gesture programme triggers an Autohotkey hotkey), because I never type them by hand anyway.

@Alraxite Not sure it worked reliably yet, though.

I see.

Incidentally, I used to abbreviate Autohotkey as AHk because the k isn't capitalised in it, but then I saw that the website itself calls it AHK, so now I use this instead.

Ah.

I don't know, I...

I type ahkqq and then it expands into Autohotkey.

Useful.

I love double keys to trigger hotstrings.

Especially double q.

Yes, I don't imagine it occurring anywhere else.

By the way, the Cautomaton/Autohotkey script above works for me.

Just tested it.

@Alraxite Exactly.

And if you do need to type it, you could type q<shift>q.

Oh!

Well, I think that should work.

Doesn't work for me.

But ahkq<right>q does work.

I do know that typing qk<Backspace>q will work for example.

Sure.

Yes, those arrow keys too.

Shift still expands.

So I assumed it would work for Shift too. Apparently not.

Might have been useful.

I think modifiers in general won't have any effect?

Does q<Ctrl>q work?

It expands.

So, bad.

Hehe.

OK. As I suspected.

Yes.

@Cerberus Cool. I might try it if I ever come to needing it.

Yeah, there are so many things to try.

Yes indeed!

But I liked the idea of pasting into a folder without opening it.

And I couldn't think of a way to do it without Cautomaton.

Actually, that is a lie.

You could just move the file by command line.

But! I wanted to test it, I guess.

Oh! I remember what I wanted also: to have hotkey for creating a new folder!

That is only possible through mouse clicks.

Except through Cautomaton. I should try that.

Oh. Doesn't that work with Ctrl+Shift+N?

It works on Win 8.

Really?

Yes.

Doesn't work for me.

Must be XP.

OK, not for XP then.

I think here sending <AppsKey> and then some relevant alt combinations might work?

I am using ubuntu from around 4 months. Today i discovered there auto test available in ubuntu.

@Alraxite I think the alt-keys are generated ad hoc—that is, depending on what other functions you have in your menu?

It picks the first letter of the function, unless it is already occupied: then it picks the second letter, etc.

Right?

So it may vary depending on your configuration and what programmes you have installed?

@Cerberus I don't know. That might be the case but I think for the default options, like Properties, New, etc. the Alt-combo remains the same (in that it doesn't change it due to the addition of some other menu item).

But that is just a guess.

If you have a context menu editor, you can probably test it.

Try putting something like wen (new backwards) and see what it does.

Or create a menu item that includes all and only the underlined letters of the other menu items to see if it tries to change the underlined character.

But simply using other solutions would be far more relable, I would agree.

@cyril Are you the user nosmoking?

I also was wondering about that.

It seems he kept changing his username until I don't know what it is anymore. I can investigate now.

@cyril You are indeed nosmoking! Hi!

Good to know.

@WillHunting yes

nosmoking isn't good as a username, it's too crazy

I agree pal :-)

Why always look at what you don't want to think about?

@cyril

@hey I have used Debian, Ubuntu and Mint. They are all good.

@WillHunting Linux is always good, You can take redhat or fedora or any other.

@hey I think Windows is the best OS.

I like mac. ios is best according to me.

I just realised that OS can stand for operating system and office suite, lol.

Microsoft Windows is the best operating system. Microsoft Office is the best office suite.

Windows 7 is better than 8, isn't it? i am not sure because I haven't used Windows 8

I have not used Windows for a long time. I will buy it once I have money.

@WillHunting Why not windows

@hey I am very happy with Windows. If used properly, it is very good.

What i have heard, Windows is best for personal use, but for professionals windows is not good.

Indians are so cheap [excluding me] that they discovered 0. lol

I wonder whether Scotland will finally get its Jacobite monarch back. I also wonder what new name the English will choose for their vestigial nationette.

How about Raider Nation :D

Will they keep the thistle?

There once was a small pod of whale Who decided they would go for a sail They didn't do so well But each got a good story tell Despite having to go through hell

Don't quit your day job.

>8(

@IceBoy yes right

So now @cyril you know what your objective is.

Knowing what to focus your energy on is a big part of recovery.

Ask any recovering alcoholic.

@IceBoy Are you a recovered alcoholic?

There is no such thing.

Why is there no such thing?

That is the nature of addiction.

Are you a recovered addict?

No, I am not addicted to anything. I merely stated my belief.

I have a lot of experience with addicts and mentally ill people.

I might be wrong, but I am inclined to believe that all it takes is determination to be free from addiction, unlike other mental illnesses.

Mental illness and addiction are not mutually exclusive.

Hello @JasperLocke I am also Jasper, lol.

Hello, Will.

Addiction, be it to exogenic psychotropic chemicals or to endogenic ones triggered by various activities or to gambling or to sex—perhaps even to Internet and “smart phone” social activities—is both a very complex thing and a very simple one. It is complex in that like a firmware update, it rewires the reward centers of the human brain, that gland whose neural connections constitute the most complex thing in the known universe. It is simple in that it compels us by stifling our impulse controls.

And it overrides executive functions that would otherwise protect us from self-harm.

SciAm 2013-10-15: “How the Brain Gets Addicted to Gambling: Addictive drugs and gambling rewire neural circuits in similar ways”

The Ontario Institute’s Centre for Addiction and Mental Health’s article on “Gambling and Substance Abuse: A Comparison”

@IceBoy There is sound neuro-physiological evidence for the inclusion of various sorts of dependencies and addictions in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, but they would still merit placement there even if they were “merely” social behavioral issues that had reached a disabling level of influence that negatively affected their victims’ lives and livelihoods, and the lives of those around them.

but yes, each person is different

some people just have a "death wish"

If you say so.

for some it is the only relief from their pain

Few topics would be less suited than those are to this crisp and clear Sunday morning as our newly risen daystar shines its oriflamme of hope in equal measure upon every amber fold and every quiet glen: for though weeping and despair may endure all the night long, the shout of joy that cometh in the morning is a gentle rain that slakes the tortured desert of every man’s soul.

Still chafing about that, are we?

nah, just reusing it

if it works, don't try to fix it

Hello.

Hiya.

Did anything exciting happen during my absence?

A horse-tamer in Argentina.

Yeah.

now listening

Nice.

arga lappar

Is it?

not that angry you are right

but the category is arga lappar

What does it mean?

Angry notes?