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1:00 AM
It’s dois for masculine, duas for feminine.
 
@tchrist yes, I like duas amigas better.
 
And if it’s Iberian Portuguese, those final -s sound like the s in leisure.
 
wow
 
@KitFox ping me if you see this about books 'n' stuff
 
that's hard
 
1:01 AM
So it’s zh all over.
 
@tchrist terrible
i'm not a fan of that sound
 
Go not to Portugal nor its music listen to.
 
I don't mind it in French
 
Don’t go to Argentina either.
Cállate has a zh in it there!
 
but it would take some time to get used to saying it for s
It does?
 
1:03 AM
Argentine la calle is like French la cage — eh.
 
I've heard it as cayatay
wow.
 
That’s normal Spanish.
Argentina does something else there.
 
calle -> cage eh
I would be better to learn it by listening
 
Rioplatense Spanish (Spanish: español rioplatense, locally Spanish: castellano rioplatense) is a dialect of the Spanish language spoken mainly in the areas in and around the Río de la Plata basin of Argentina and Uruguay, and also in Rio Grande do Sul. Some features of this dialect are also shared with the varieties of Spanish spoken in Eastern Bolivia and Chile. The usual word employed to name the Spanish language in this region is castellano (English: Castilian) and seldom español (English: Spanish) (see: Names given to the Spanish language). Note that while this article refers to Rioplatense...
 
too much stretching to read it so differently.
 
1:05 AM
@JSBձոգչ Well, hello. I guess I will not be recording my silly voice this evening.
 
cool.
 
> Like many other dialects, Rioplatense features yeísmo: the sounds represented by ll (historically the palatal lateral /ʎ/) and y (historically the palatal approximant /j/) have fused into one.
Thus, in Rioplatense, se cayó "he fell down" is homophonous with se calló "he became silent". This merged phoneme is generally pronounced as a postalveolar fricative, either voiced [ʒ] (as in English measure or the French j) in the central and western parts of the dialect region (this phenomenon is called zheísmo) or voiceless [ʃ] (as in the French ch) in and around Buenos Aires (called sheísmo).
 
Give me a moment to prepare a place.
 
@KitFox heh. i gotta finish up an email and will be right with you
 
So they have zheísmo in many places in Argentina.
 
1:06 AM
zheísmo
 
Yeah.
 
phew
 
So yo becomes zho.
 
something likr je + yo
 
Well, ʒo.
 
1:08 AM
yep
 
Yes, it reminds one of the French je.
 
@tchrist How do you pronounce ll in Spanish words?
 
@Mahnax Soy casi yeísta.
But I can do the ʎ, too. I don’t normally.
It’s thicker than just /j/ but not quite a full /ʎ/.
For Portuguese and Catalan, you have to have a /ʎ/ phoneme anyway.
 
My word, I'd be ruined for Spanish for a year if I spent any significant time in Rio de la Plata.
 
@medica Yes, I have seen it happen many times. :)
@Mahnax No one but no one will ever say anything if you say ll as though it were a y in Spanish words. Most people say it that way.
Yeísmo (Spanish pronunciation: [ɟ͡ʝeˈizmo]) is a distinctive feature of many dialects of the Spanish language, which consists of the loss of the traditional palatal lateral approximant phoneme /ʎ/ (written 〈ll〉) and its merger into the phoneme /ʝ/ (written 〈y〉), usually realized as a palatal approximant or affricate. In other words, 〈ll〉 and 〈y〉 represent the same sound /ʝ/. The term yeísmo comes from the Spanish name of the letter 〈y〉 (ye). The opposite term is lleísmo (pronounced: [ʎeˈizmo]), which is attested sparingly in some fewer subvarieties, and refers to the distinction of /ʝ/ (spelled...
 
1:12 AM
what an interesting distribution!
 
The thing is that all North American speakers of Spanish son yeístas, because of Mexico and the Caribbean.
Include Puerto Rico.
 
Ahh. My coworker is from Bogotá. Hay una distinción.
He pronounces ll and y differently, is what I mean to say.
 
I can see that... I never heard the zheísmo
 
@Mahnax Ellos sí la tienen.
In Spain, there are more gradations, but the little map above is good enough.
> Strongly distinguishing regions (solid pink), regions with some presence of yeísmo (light pink) and non-distinguishing regions (grey).
 
Is there any sound between LL as y, and LL as zh?
 
1:16 AM
@medica Yes.
[ʝ]
 
... looking it up
 
> Most dialects currently realize the merged phoneme as a voiced palatal fricative or approximant [ʝ] or [j]. For example, relleno [reˈʝeno, reˈjeno], eyectar [eʝeɣˈtaɾ, ejeɣˈtaɾ]. This same merged phoneme becomes an affricate or a plosive (either a voiced postalveolar affricate [dʒ] as in English jar, a voiced palatal affricate [ɟ͡ʝ], or a voiced palatal stop [ɟ]), after a nasal (as in the words cónyuge, conllevar), after a lateral (as in el yunque, el llano), and commonly after a pause.

In the Rioplatense dialect, its lenited allophone is realized as a postalveolar ([ʒ] or [ʃ], while the
 
phew
 
thank God.
 
1:19 AM
I think that is probably the answer that @Mahnax needs.
 
(unless you like it)
 
But his friend from Bogotá still makes it, because he speaks español andino.
I would say that the distinction is more common in Barcelona than in Madrid.
The solid pink regions are really very small in comparison though.
> El sonido *[ʃ] es la articulación usual de /ʝ/ en español rioplatense y también la articulación de /č/ en algunas formas del español de Andalucía.
El sonido *[ʒ] es la articulación usual de /ʝ/ en español rioplatense entre vocales.
So I say /ʝ/ not /j/, but that is a subtle distinction that you wouldn’t normally notice if you were a native English speaker.
There do exist minimal pairs in Spanish, though.
As explained:
 
So, in Baecelona, son yeístas?
 
> /ʝ/ es la mayoría de variantes una aproximante entre vocales en todos los contextos salvo después de una consonante nasal, /l/, o después de pausa, donde es una africada ([ɟʝ]).2 10 El alófono aproximante se diferencia de [j] de varias maneras; tiene un F2 de amplitud más baja, es más largo, puede aparecer solamente en inicio de sílaba (esto incluye inicio de palabra donde [j] no aparece), es una fricativa palatal sonora en pronunciaciones enfáticas, y no está especificado para el redondeo de los labios (e.g. viuda [ˈbjuða] vs ayuda [aˈʝʷuða]).11 Los dos también aparecen, y se solapan en
 
sílaba?
sibalent?i
 
1:24 AM
@medica Somewhat, but there is contamination from Catalan. I would say Madrid has more yeístas proportionally than Barcelona. And of course in Sevilla it is 100% yeísta.
sílaba = syllable
 
ah, gracias
 
That it gets affricated in emphatic position is not something they teach in American schoolrooms, but it does.
 
Where did you study Spanish?
 
So if somebody says ¡Yo!, it will sound like Joe to an English speaker.
 
(right)
Did you learn all this in your studies, or afterwards, while travelling?
 
1:28 AM
@medica A la Facultad de Filosofía y Letras, Universidad Complutense, Madrid, estudiando filología española.
 
oh, how wonderful that must have been!
 
No, I did cursos de fonética y fonología while I was there.
 
wow
did you study filosofia there as well?
 
No.
Poetry, History, things like that.
 
wow, what an experience that must have been.
 
1:30 AM
I took two semesters with Carlos Buosoño, a minor Spanish poet who is part of la Real Academia.
 
Did you want to teach at one time?
 
As far as I can tell, Spanish seems a bit simpler than French.
 
I’m always teaching. :)
@Mahnax Yes and no.
 
:) True.
 
It seems easier at first.
 
1:30 AM
One main way to ask a question! Imagine that.
 
But you have to make distinctions for many things which French does not, nor English, and these are famously difficult for English speakers.
Like ser/estar and por/para.
 
I struggle with por/para
 
Spanish also uses the simple past all the time, whereas spoken French does not.
Spanish also uses the imperfect subjunctive(s) all the time, which again, spoken French does not.
French only has two flavors of you, while Spanish has four.
Or five, if you go Argentina. :)
 
@tchrist Tú, usted, ustedes, and vos?
 
Vos in much of South America, vosotros in Spain.
But the South American vos is singular.
There are places in South America with a 3-way distinction in formality: usted, tu, vos.
 
1:34 AM
where is vos in that distinction?
 
I suggest avoiding vos unless you are planning on moving to., or visiting at length, a region that uses it.
El voseo es un fenómeno lingüístico dentro de la lengua española en el que se emplea el pronombre «vos» junto a ciertas conjugaciones verbales particulares para dirigirse al interlocutor en lugar de emplear el pronombre «tú» en situaciones de familiaridad. Por extensión, se puede referir al mero uso del pronombre «vos» o, por el contrario, al mero uso de sus conjugaciones verbales junto al pronombre «tú». Se distinguen dos tipos de voseo: El voseo reverencial, que consiste en usar el pronombre «vos» para dirigirse reverencialmente a la segunda persona gramatical —tanto singular como plural—...
> Los dialectos rioplatense y paraguayo son los únicos en que el voseo forma parte de la norma culta.
Where culta means educated speakers.
Otherwise it is considered uneducated anywhere else.
@medica “3. La de la América tuteante-voseante, donde el vos se restringe al ámbito sumamente íntimo; el tú, para la confianza intermedia; y el usted, como forma de respeto.’
So the places with a 3-way put vos at the most intimate and usted at the most formal.
 
ah.
 
Have you ever heard people use el señor as a form of very respectful address?
Si el señor quisiera otra cosa...
When talking to you.
Well, you would be la señora, but still.
It is more formal than usted. Things that waiters at fancy restaurants say. :)
If Sir would like anything else...
 
no, I havent, just Señor/
 
:)
 
1:41 AM
ah. I always thought they were third personing me!
 
Well, señor is used vocatively, but I mean el señor used in subject position for the person being addressed!
 
I see...
that makes sense
yes, then, I have.
 
They are. If madam has finished with her selection, might I interest her in a sweet?
It’s that sort of thing.
 
yes, just like that
 
Extremely distancing.
 
1:42 AM
I never thought of it llike that.
I thought of it kind of like an affectation.
 
Well, sure. :)
All politeness is affectation. :)
 
Not negatively, but culturally.
 
hmm
 
I teach North Americans learning Spanish that if they would address someone as sir or maam in English, that they should be using usted forms in Spanish.
 
1:44 AM
so cute! I have never seen a cat do that, yet I see it in gifs.
 
@tchrist well, that is how I do it in the ER
 
I'm sorry. I shouldn't be posting cat gifs now.
 
I would not have known any better.
 
I am not letting them out, and it is tough.
 
1:45 AM
@Cerberus but they are so cute!
 
And you are s l o w i n g
 
Why not?
 
@medica They are!!
 
It’s a topic-changer.
 
@tchrist Who is?
@tchrist Porqué no?
 
1:46 AM
@Cerberus You are slowing us all down with the GIFs
 
How so?
They're cats!
 
(I am slow to start with)
 
But it is ok.
I do not mind.
 
(I have an operating speed much slower than @tchrist)
 
The more of them the browser works on, the slower they are.
 
1:47 AM
Why are you keeping them indoors?
 
Randy didn’t come home till 10pm the last two nights and midnight the night before.
I spent too many anxiety points.
 
woah
 
So I didn’t let them out after 7pm and they are not happy.
 
:(
 
I could let one out, maybe, and trail him.
 
1:49 AM
I met a Persian cat the other night.
 
And Lorin wouldn’t run off.
@Mahnax Colors?
But I cannot chase both.
 
@tchrist How do they slow you down?
 
@tchrist Grey and white. Still a kitten, really. Four months old.
Pretty blue eyes.
 
@Cerberus It slows the echo of my typing.
 
Teensy and fluffy.
 
1:50 AM
@Mahnax Uncommon eye color.
 
The echo of your typing?
Are you on a Mac or something?
 
Lorin has a full Persian-like tail.
FOAD
But the rest of his coiffure is more normal instead of extra-long.
 
Lorin's tail is lovely.
 
Lorin is lovely.
So is Randy.
 
Lorin is so pretty. When a cat is that fluffy and pretty, I am tempted to think of it as a female (ashamed)
 
1:52 AM
BRB folks.
 
So how do the cats communicate their displeasure? And if you took them out, would Randy run off?
 
Hey @Arrowfar , do you often use the miswak?
 
user116848
@Cerberus Me no. But people here do. Where did you hear about Miswak :)
 
Hmm why not you?
My friend gave me one.
She bought it in Istanbul.
 
user116848
@Cerberus Well I used to use it when I was a child :) but lost the habit. .You know miswak is very ancient and it is from certain trees to clean our mouth. But I use toothbrush now :D
 
user116848
2:06 AM
But it is common in all the Muslim world I guess.
 
So why do you use a toothbrush now?
I know Muhammad told everyone to use the miswak.
 
user116848
@Cerberus No reason. I just feel like 'miswak' to be a hassle. Wow! you know about Prophet Muhammad :)
 
Who doesn't?
Why is it a hassle? Does it take longer?
I haven't used mine yet...
 
user116848
@Cerberus I think chewing something to clear our mouth to be a hassle. But you should use it. I'd recommend it definitely :)
 
2:21 AM
Oh I like a good miswak.
 
@Arrowfar Haha that sounds...contradictory!
 
user116848
:)
Have you used it. I didn't know Western women uses it.
 
user116848
@Cerberus No, not contradictory. I have my own reasons :)
 
Hmm...
 
@Arrowfar I had an ex-boyfriend who studied Middle Eastern culture.
 
user116848
2:25 AM
@KitFox Why did you remove it? Elaborate that please. You told me not to erase your posts here :)
 
It was an accidental post.
Usually I don't, but sometimes I do.
 
user116848
yeah, it's okay. So what were you saying?
 
The thing about the boyfriend.
 
user116848
@KitFox So was my comment above rudish? Just thought I should ask.
 
Which?
 
user116848
2:29 AM
@KitFox Because sometime when I talk like that to some seniors they say 'you shouldn't question elders and blah blah'
 
user116848
4 mins ago, by Arrowfar
@KitFox Why did you remove it? Elaborate that please. You told me not to erase your posts here :)
 
Oh. I didn't think it was rude.
It probably could be phrased more politely, but I took it as familiarity and not rudeness.
 
user116848
@KitFox But then I don't know why young girls get so much defensive around me when I talk like that.
 
user116848
Not that you are old or anything. See I am doing this again. But I am being myself :)
 
I'm not young.
But maybe you are too aggressive for the young ones.
Me, I can defend myself.
With claws and suspensions.
 
user116848
2:33 AM
Aggressive? How? You think.
 
user116848
I am not aggressive in any way. I am considered nervous or shy usually. i am not kidding.
 
I don't know. Insistent questions?
Oh. Well. I think you are good-natured.
 
user116848
Insistent questions? So I ask too many questions?
 
@medica No, he didn’t run off. They stayed with me; I hung out with them. But I have just down snatched them both in (at once, with one grab, because they were on the wall) and so they weren’t happy. So I gave them each a little minican of special food they like a lot. How do cats show displeasure you ask? Many ways. Don’t you know cats? Everyone always thinks Lorin is a girl cuzza how pretty he is.
 
@Arrowfar No, I don't think so. Too late at night for me to articulate.
 
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2:36 AM
Bye!
 
Well, I'm still discussing with JSB as well.
Unless you mean that you are leaving.
 
I can’t think much this late. I’m surprised you can. I couldn’t were I there.
 
2:49 AM
Morning
 
Morning!
@tchrist You poor early riser!
 
Hello.
 
Must be a terrible burden.
 
it feels like morning because I've been sick for days and my sleep cycle is all busted
 
2:50 AM
Poor you!
Is it the flu?
 
just a fever
 
Hmm.
Do you often have a fever that goes on for several days that isn't the flu?
 
no. But I haven't had a full-on flu in years. I get the vaccine every year.
 
Ah.
 
!!wiki flu
 
2:52 AM
Influenza, commonly known as "the flu", is an infectious disease of birds and mammals caused by RNA viruses of the family Orthomyxoviridae, the influenza viruses. The most common symptoms are chills, fever, runny nose, sore throat, muscle pains, headache (often severe), coughing, weakness/fatigue and general discomfort. Although it is often confused with other influenza-like illnesses, especially the common cold, influenza is a more severe disease caused by a different type of virus. Influenza may produce nausea and vomiting, particularly in children, but these symptoms are more common in t...
 
I had a fever for like 4 or 5 days, a couple of weeks ago, but no flu.
 
so it could be flu. But I have only a fever, oh, and a sore throat.
 
Don't remember ever having had that before.
Perhaps this is some weird new virus that has travelled westward.
 
I do have fatigue and general discomfort.
that usually goes along with fever, ime
 
Yeah, I had that too.
And sweating at night?
 
2:53 AM
!!wiki fever
 
Fever (also known as pyrexia or febrile response) is one of the most common medical signs and is characterized by an elevation of body temperature above the normal range of 36.5–37.5 °C (97.7–99.5 °F) due to an increase in the temperature regulatory set-point. This increase in set-point triggers increased muscle tone and chills. As a person's temperature increases, there is, in general, a feeling of cold despite an increase in body temperature. Once body temperature has increased to the new set-point temperature, there is a feeling of warmth. A fever can be caused by many different medical conditions...
 
And aching muscles?
 
@Cerberus yes, alternating with intense chills
@Cerberus aching joints, for me
 
@skullpatrol Hi!
 
Hi pal
 
2:54 AM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Hmm that really sounds like what I had.
I took Ibuprofen and managed to go to work and stuff.
 
I was in bed all day sunday
 
But had it been a work day?
 
I worked yesterday and today but gave up today at 3 and took a nap. since then i've had coffee and now i'm totally alert
no i could not have worked sunday
 
Hmm OK.
 
I wasn't even able to finish my lego build
 
2:55 AM
Not even!!
If it affects your Lego...
 
I had to stop part-way through and take a nap
and for the last 3 days i have not felt like my temperature regulation was proper. i'm always too hot or too cold. sometimes both at the same time.
 
Sounds like a fever.
 
14 mins ago, by Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
just a fever
 
3:11 AM
Maybe it's a fever.
 
I'm beginning to suspect it might be a fever.
 
You give me fever.
 
You can have mine if you want it.
also now I have a song in my head
 
hums
 
3:26 AM
I was half-way through listening to the Aerosmith song "Fever" when I realized that the lyrics don't match and it's a different Fever song.
 
I was thinking the lounge song.
 
yeah I found it and played it instead
 
!!youtube sweet emotion
 
Not that one, actually, but it's cool.
 
3:30 AM
ugh, that first video has people yapping all through the intro
@Cerberus @tchrist I think Weird Al made this video for you guys: youtube.com/watch?v=GyV_UG60dD4
 
!!define stupor
 
@KitFox stupor A state of reduced consciousness or sensibility.
 
!!define stuporous
 
@KitFox stuporous having slow or confused reactions, as if in a stupor; groggy
 
OK then.
 
3:40 AM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Haha, lovely!
Such vision! Such a mission!
 
Have you seen the other videos he released lately?
They're on weirdal.com
 
Someone showed me another one.
 
The Word Crimes one has been going around
 
Ah, yes, that one.
It was nice.
 
It helps if you know the popular music he's parodying. But you can just youtube the songs and watch them one time, and then hopefully delete them from your brain.
 
3:45 AM
Hah.
I would have no idea.
But I wouldn't want to listen to random songs anyway.
 
I've now heard "Tacky" more times than the original "Happy", which is good, because the original song is possibly the most irritating song ever.
 
You will not believe how often I have been subjected to that song.
With many, many, partial repeats back to back.
 
Oh! then listen to Tacky. It's better.
 
Should I?
I am currently in the process of moving a website...
 
wow we have quite the thunderstorm outside right now.
 
3:48 AM
Nice.
 
my mom's dog is beside me, terrified.
 
Aww.
Cat and owl playing.
 
The owl seems to enjoy it less than the cat, but it doesn't run ayway.
The cat is having the time of its life.
 
@KitFox - I owe you an apology. I was just thinking of pressors, and realized that a very few decades back we used to give dopamine as a vasopressor for hypotension in cardiac situations (back then thy were used in cases of hypovolemia as well). Then we got dobutamine, and I simply forgot that we used to use dopamine like that. So you were correct; they are adrenergics/catecholamines. I had forgotten that. My apologies.
 
4:02 AM
A dog and her owl friend.
 
@Cerberus when I was a kid I read "Owls in the Family" by Farley Mowat, about how they had two pet owls. One of them was notorious for killing neighbourhood cats and using them as a foot-warmer.
 
@tchrist - well, I've known many cats, but our cats were all what our vet called "barn cats". So if they didn't like something they just stepped out. Interestingly, though we lost many fowl of all kinds (even two full-grown geese), we never lost a cat to a predator. I would have been devastated.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Owls used to pick off our chickens. I loved owls, hawks, foxes, etc. until I got a farm. :(
 
yeah. well, they are predators.
They're great as long as you, or those you're concerned about, are not prey
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Wow, really? But cats have very sharp nails and teeth!
And how did I end up watching a 20-minute "funny cats" video complication?? It just happened.
 
@Cerberus suuuurre it did.
@Cerberus So the story is a novel. I thought it was autobiographical but I can't find a source. Therefore it's possible the escapades of the owls were completely fictitious and impossible.
 
4:15 AM
Hmmmmmm...
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Have you thought of Lyme? I don't know where you live.
 
It's just that owls are birds, so they're pretty fragile. So I'd not expect them to risk being clawed by a cat. It might damage their wings or eyes.
@medica Hmm...
Does he ever get bitten by ticks? Has he ever noticed any red rings?
But a fever can be so many things, right?
 
I don't know if he lives in an area where Lyme is endemic. It is here where I am, so if there is unexplained fever, that's high on the list, with or without a known tick bite or rash. Just a thought.
A fever is caused by a very large variety of things, yes.
 
@Cerberus You are not sleeping yet?
 
@medica geez, not until now.
 
4:36 AM
@medica Right, I suppose it makes sense to at least keep it in mind as an option.
 
5:03 AM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Sorry, not intending to scare you.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 sometimes it's hard to step out of that way of thinking. I'll try to avoid that in the future.
 
@medica It's okay. I live in a large city, I don't think I've been exposed to any ticks. What I have been exposed to is children. Lots of children. Including some that have been sick lately.
In particular, these two trouble-makers
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Awwwwww clearly a very troublesome duo!
The next Bonnie and Clyde!
 
5:20 AM
Their best disguise is their cuteness. It allows them to pass by all sorts of security systems undetected.
 
Just like those cat viruses that you get in your e-mail?
 
I don't think I've gotten a cat virus in my email before?
 
Welcome to the site! But I'm afraid I don't understand your question. Can you clearly define the following things: expression, noun sentence, verb sentence, reversed? I'm not sure what those terms mean to you. Be loved and be used are passive infinitives, but I have no idea whether that is what you wanted to know. — Cerberus 16 secs ago
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Damn.
Then I have to try harder...
 
5:36 AM
@Cerberus perhaps it has something to do with the 3rd sentence in the example, which reverses the phrases from the first two?
1: people-loved, 2: things-used, 3: things-loved, people-used
 
Oh, hmm.
That is probably it.
I was focusing on his terms too much.
 
so it's an swr for the name of that kind of writing?
 
It's always an SWR.
I have deleted my comment.
Arg, this host is so frustrating.
I can't even get a basic Wordpress to install!
 
well I'm off to bed, having accomplished 90% of my goal for the evening.
 
Well done.
Was the 90% those videos?
 
5:40 AM
the remaining 10% will take the other 90% of the time.
No I've been working.
 
Ah, yes.
 
I've accomplished 0% of my goal for the evening and it took 100% of my time.
8
 
 
1 hour later…
7:04 AM
!!wiki Wiles
 
Wiles is a family name. For its etymology, meaning, related names, and translations, see Wiktionary. People commonly known by the family name Wiles include: Andrew Wiles, British mathematician who proved Fermat's Last Theorem Archie Wiles, cricketer from Trinidad Billy Wiles, American wrestler Irving Ramsey Wiles, United States artist Jason Wiles, actor, director and producer John Wiles, British television producer Maurice Wiles, British theologian, father of Andrew Wiles Michele Wiles, principal dancer at American Ballet Theatre Simon Wiles, English footballer == Places == 9999 Wiles, an asteroid...
 
Anonymous
7:53 AM
@Cerberus Congratulations!
 
8:45 AM
@Matt The story was nice, the end was unexpected :)
@Cerberus The goal was doing nothing right?
@Cerberus Do you think ^can be related?
 

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