English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

tchrist

00:03

Marthaª

00:38

@tchrist Those be not cats. I be disturbed.

KitFox

Hola, @Marthaª!

Cerberus

Here she is again!!

tchrist

Please consider this:

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Q: Do any words have multiple correct spellings?

I can call to mind several words with another correct spelling (colour, analogue, disc, barbeque) but I can't think of any with multiple correct spellings, i.e. three or more equally acceptable, semantically identical variants of the same word. Do any exist?

I say this because I am conflicted.

I understand and agree with the close reason given by FF.

But I wish there were a definitive answer about this. I’m somewhat surprised there is not.

KitFox

Hmm.

tchrist

In other words, I’d rather see it closed as a dupe, if I could find one.

Cerberus

00:48

Perhaps there is such a word.

But by "multiple" he means "more than two". He should have made that explicit.

tchrist

Have you noticed that the OED now uses an "or pipe" to separate alternate spellings?

colour | color

Cerberus

"Now"?

I only use the 2nd edition.

tchrist

Well, they started it about 8 years ago.

I mean on their online site.

And also on their quarterly updates!!

Which anybody can and should access.

Let me find a recent example from their updates for you.

Cerberus

I have to use my VPN to get on the site. It's too much work.

@tchrist Do they still include the century numbers?

tchrist

@Cerberus The quarterlies just list the words, unfortunately.

KitFox

00:52

I'd like the question to be somehow more interesting.

Maybe if it were how you normally have three or more correct spellings, given that what's seemly is BrE v. AmE variants.

Cerberus

I'm sure if you wade through the OED you'll find some word that has 3 or more current spellings.

tchrist

@Cerberus Here. That is this month’s new entries. Go to the complete bottom of the page. Note Charley | Charlie n.

Marthaª

I'm not finding any duplicates of that spelling question, btw.

tchrist

@Cerberus I don’t wade. I grep.

Cerberus

@tchrist Yes. I suppose that is clear enough?

KitFox

00:54

Show off.

Cerberus

@tchrist But I don't think you can grep this?

tchrist

@Cerberus I can see that you still do not fully understand whom you are addressing.

Marthaª

(I disagree that it's a list question, nor is it overly subjective.)

KitFox

@Marthaª I'm with you.

tchrist

So for example, the entry for colour looks like this:

<E>
  <HG>
    <HL>
      <LF>colour</LF>
      <SF>colour</SF>
      <MF>colour</MF>
    </HL><b>,</b>
    <HL>
      <LF>color</LF>
      <SF>color</SF>
      <MF>color</MF>
    </HL>
    <MPR>k<i>&reva.</i>&sd.l&schwa.&revr.</MPR>
    <IPR>
      <IPH>&sm.k&revv.l&schwa.(r)</IPH>
    </IPR>,
    <PS>sb.</PS>
    <HO>1</HO>
  </HG>

So all I have to do is grep out entries with more than two HL sections in their leading HG section.

Piece of cake.

Cerberus

00:57

@tchrist But how will you know whether they are current or not?

KitFox

Then look for patterns and do some counts.

tchrist

crunching

Cerberus

I think you mean current spellings are all in the title of the entry, not in the "spellings" section?

tchrist

Oh my goodness.

Maybe I had best limit it to greater than 2. There are many with 2.

Few with more.

KitFox

Good night, good night. See you tomorrow. I can't wait to see the results of the amazing spelling experiment.

tchrist

01:06

4: banderol, banderole, bandrol, bannerol

Now, this is interesting:

<E>
  <HG>
    <HL>
      <LF>banderol</LF>
      <LF>banderole</LF>
      <SF>banderol(e</SF>
      <MF>banderol(e</MF>
    </HL><b>,</b>
    <HL>
      <LF>bandrol</LF>
      <SF>bandrol</SF>
      <MF>bandrol</MF>
    </HL><b>,</b>
    <HL>
      <LF>bannerol</LF>
      <SF>bannerol</SF>
      <MF>bannerol</MF>
    </HL>

I was counting up the LFs.

And I see that the first one has two.

Oh, I see why.

They are using the SF or MF for printing.

The LF seems to be the expansion of the (e optional part.

Robusto

So people want to stamp out fun in chat. Why am I not surprised?

No smiling!

Cerberus

Which people?

tchrist

@Robusto When did you just now figure this out? Reading the ELU Election Room logues, I presume?

@Cerberus People who don’t get in-culture jokes.

Robusto

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Q: How can we improve the introduction of new chat users to EL&U chat "culture" and features?

When I recently first visited the English Language and Usage chat room, I arrived with many erroneous expectations. I presumed that the EL&U chat room would center on English language discussion, and that experienced users would be welcoming towards curious new users with similar interests. In re...

discussion user-interface chat new-users

tchrist

Yes, well.

Cerberus

01:11

Ah, yes, that.

Robusto

So we need to disrupt all the current users to make way for the "new" users.

Talk about leading with your chin.

makes joke about pinenipples

tchrist

3: bumfeage, bumfeagle, bumfeg

That’s a nice one. :)

Robusto

If we were in the hospitality service and getting paid, then maybe — maybe we could be arsed to bend over backwards with cringing welcomes for our newbie guests. But as we ain't, we cain't.

Cerberus

Well, if there are certain things that reasonably come across as unreasonably unfriendly, then we could change those things.

tchrist

Remember he’s only a boy.

Robusto

01:14

> Kindness is a blow withheld. — Josef Stalin

Cerberus

But I think the subtitle does not pass that criterion.

@tchrist Certainly.

Robusto

You know, I was a boy once myself. And me elders didn't bend over backwards to make sure I was comfortable in new situations. Quite the opposite.

So I learned to go slow and learn what each new situation was all about. Which is kind of an important lesson to learn in life.

tchrist

He’s a stranger in a strange land. He’s smarter than his peers, and he doesn’t identify with the culture around him.

Robusto

@tchrist Welcome to the club.

tchrist

3: griffin, griffon, gryphon
3: hackbushier, hagbushier, hagbusser
4: haemo-, hemo-, haem-, hem-
3: halyard, halliard, haulyard

@Robusto Yes, but everyone reacts differently.

Robusto

01:17

ENOPƱßY — he no pussy?

@tchrist So? Life doesn't hand you only the challenges you expect.

tchrist

@Robusto if (errno == ENOPERM || errno == ENOENT)) { ... }

Robusto

End of pussy?

tchrist

There are next to a googolplex of entries like this one: 3: head-man, headman, head man

@Robusto Error Condition No Pussy.

Robusto

Close. I don't debug the Linux kernel very often, so . . .

tchrist

#define	ENOENT		2		/* No such file or directory */
#define	ENOEXEC		8		/* Exec format error */
#define	ENOMEM		12		/* Cannot allocate memory */
#define	ENOTBLK		15		/* Block device required */
#define	ENODEV		19		/* Operation not supported by device */
#define	ENOTDIR		20		/* Not a directory */
#define	ENOTTY		25		/* Inappropriate ioctl for device */
#define	ENOSPC		28		/* No space left on device */
#define	ENOTSOCK	38		/* Socket operation on non-socket */
#define	ENOPROTOOPT	42		/* Protocol not available */

Robusto

01:20

@tchrist Also hetman

www-numi.fnal.gov/offline_software/srt_public_context/WebDocs/…

tchrist

@Robusto That would be for setting it, which the kernel does do. But in user-space, you test for it when a syscall returns -1, so you can tell which reason it failed.

There are 24 that start with "ENO....", but they all are "E.....".

@Robusto Well....

@Robusto There is only one standard spelling of that one these days.

But it has to be any stoplist that tries to inflect fooman into foomen.

Just like German and human.

Errnos aren’t just for inside the kernel. They’re how the kernel tells the user-mode process why its request failed.

In fact, that really is all errnos are for. The kernel can keep track of itself. Errnos are for the user.

Robusto

@tchrist foomenchoo

tchrist

See, I’m only counting hetman, not the past-century forms.

It does get changed around a lot in the other languages though.

Cerberus

I believe "9" is the 20th century?

Novecento?

tchrist

@Cerberus Correct!!!

Cerberus

01:27

Right.

Robusto

Hetman

Hetman is a political title, historically assigned to military commanders. It was the title of the second-highest military commander (after the monarch) in 15th- to 18th-century Poland and the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, which together, from 1569 to 1795, comprised the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, or Rzeczpospolita. Hetman was also the highest military office, and head of state, in Ukraine's Hetmanates, the Zaporizhian Host (1649–1764) and Ukrainian State (1918). The title (гетьман) was used by Ukraine's Cossacks from the 16th century, and by the Czechs (hejtman) in Bohemia from the Hu...

tchrist

3: jailer, jailor, gaoler
3: Jim Crow, Jim-crow, jim crow
3: Kang-Hai, Kang-He, Kang-Hi
3: kantikoy, canticoy, kintecoy

Robusto

гетьман

tchrist

@Robusto Please don’t make me think!

Robusto

I didn't know geh was aspirated.

Cerberus

01:29

Why the gamma?

tchrist

3: pilau, pilaw, pilaff

Cerberus

Odd Russians.

tchrist

Robusto

1 min ago, by Robusto

I didn't know geh was aspirated.

tchrist

Damned Scots! We don’t even have that phoneme in English!

Robusto

01:31

Ach, aye.

Cerberus

@Robusto Is that the name of the letter?

Robusto

@Cerberus In Russian, yeah.

Ah, beh, veh, geh, deh, yeh, yoh, zhe, ze . . . etc.

tchrist

3: thrupence, thruppence, thrupenny

Cerberus

OK.

tchrist

3: withershin, withershins, widdershin

And they forgot widdershins!

Robusto

01:32

widdershins

Jinx!

tchrist

3: hootnanny, hootenanny, hootananny

Robusto

hootenanny

tchrist

3: cosy, cosey, cozy

Really?

Robusto

Hootenanny (U.S. TV series)

Hootenanny is an American musical variety television show broadcast on ABC from April 1963 to September 1964. The program was hosted by Jack Linkletter. It primarily featured pop-oriented folk music acts, including The Journeymen, The Limeliters, the Chad Mitchell Trio, The New Christy Minstrels, The Brothers Four, Ian & Sylvia, The Big 3, Hoyt Axton, Judy Collins, Johnny Cash, The Carter Family, Flatt & Scruggs and the Foggy Mountain Boys, The Tarriers, Bud & Travis, and the Smothers Brothers. Although both popular and influential, the program is primarily remembered today for the cont...

tchrist

@Robusto That’s what I thought.

Robusto

01:34

Hootenanny (disambiguation)

Hootenanny is a folk-music party. Hootenanny may also refer to: *Hootenanny (The Replacements album), 1983 *Hootenanny (The Country Gentlemen album), 1963 *Hootenanny (store), a US clothing store owned by Newbury Comics *Hootenanny (UK TV series), an annual television program on BBC2 hosted by Jools Holland *Hootenanny (US TV series), a 1960s television program *Live at the Hootenanny, Vol. 1, a 2000 compilation album from the Hootenanny Festival *Hootenanny Singers, a Swedish folk group *Bluegrass Hootenanny, a 1964 album by George Jones *Hot Rod Hootenanny, an album by Mr. Gasser & the ...

tchrist

The really was for all the cosies, coseys, and cozies.

3: floosie, floozie, floozy

Mitch

@Robusto stops smiling

Robusto

Cosi fan floozy

Mitch

biting my tongue

tchrist

3: coomb, combe, comb

They’ve forgotten cwm.

Mitch

01:35

Shit that hurts.

Robusto

cwm as you are, powys.

tchrist

3: con, conne, cun

First guess wins.

Robusto

Vagina.

tchrist

See how easy these are?

3: caroon, carroon, caroome

Robusto

Sep 20 '12 at 1:54, by Robusto

@tchrist Speaking of which, name three streets in Chicago that rhyme with vagina.

Sep 20 '12 at 1:55, by Robusto

Regina, Paulina ... and Lunt.

Cerberus

01:37

Tsk.

tchrist

Now hm, isn’t there some set related to careening.

Robusto

Careering and careening.

Only two I know.

tchrist

Darn, just two then.

I set my threshold to three.

3: cicatricula, cicatricle, cicatricule

Robusto

cicatrice

Mitch

@Cerberus runs off screamizing

tchrist

01:39

cicatrix

Robusto

@Mitch That's only a promise, not a prize.

Cerberus

@Mitch Noooo!

(Note that I'm not super in favour of -ise except where it is due, as in analyse.)

Mitch

@Cerberus ITYM 'Noooouuuuu!'

Cerberus

Wha?

Mitch

because colour instead of color

Cerberus

01:41

Ooooooouuuuuuuuh that!

Yes, indeed.

tchrist

Mitch

and ageing.

never trust anyone over thirty

tchrist

@Cerberus Have I already duhed you today? :)

Notice that lovely italic ampersand. Why can’t we have that? Why must we suffer Georgia?

Mitch

@tchrist "I hatte orgoill the queynte"

tchrist

@Mitch Hardly surprising, really.

Cerberus

01:45

@tchrist Hmm what?

Look at this lovely Shiite shrine.

tchrist

I swear they make these things up.

3: caboched, caboshed, cabossed
3: calean, callean, calleoon
3: callalloo, callaloo, callalou
3: camas, camash, cammas
3: canion, cannion, canon
3: caroon, carroon, caroome
3: Carrollese, Carrollian, Carrolline
3: cata-, cat-, cath-
3: cayolac, cayelac, cayolaque
3: cerse, cers, cerss
3: chate, chatte, chat
3: chay, choy, chaya
3: chicken-meat, chicken's meat, chick-meat
3: Chinkey, Chinkie, Chinky

Cerberus

It was bombed badly in 2006 and 2007. Now ISIS is trying to damage it again.

tchrist

@Cerberus Obviousnessness.

Cerberus

What is?

tchrist

@Cerberus That Oxford is correct in this regard.

3: dog's body, dog's-body, dogsbody
3: dole, dool, dule
3: drac, drach, drack
3: eicos-, eicosa-, eikos-
3: eight ball, eight-ball, eightball

3: parechasis, parecnasis, parecuasis

Cerberus

01:47

@tchrist And Oxford writes analyse but apologize, I believe.

tchrist

@Cerberus That was my point, yes.

3: platin, platen, platina

Hm, are those really the same?

Wait, no not patina.

Man, I do so have to weed out the Middle English entries!

Cerberus

You might have been more explicit and saved me the trouble...

tchrist

What would Darth say?

Robusto

@tchrist "I am your father!"

tchrist

5: faerie, faërie, faery, faëry, fairy

I never did understand how that word could ever be trisyllabic. And believe me, I’ve tried.

He made a shield and morion
of coral and of ivory,
a sword he made of emerald,
and terrible his rivalry
with elven-knights of Aërie
and Faërie, with paladins
that golden-haired and shining-eyes
came riding by and challenged him.

You can see how it must be trisyllabic there.

It just sounds really funny to me.

skullpatrol

03:27

What happened to the "Election Room"? Why it is frozen?

user61230

03:47

@skullpatrol Election's over

tchrist

04:23

I really, really, really with I could know what Tolkien père would have thought of all this, and I do not trust T. fils to answer as his father might have.

skullpatrol

Thanks for the info @Emrakul :-)

tchrist

I also weally weally with I could thtop lithping.

skullpatrol

04:39

:D

Mahnax

05:16

@Gigili Hello! I hope you are well.

Goodnight, everyone.

Gigili

@Mahnax Oh hello, nice to see you here! Are you a mod yet?

and G'night

Matt Эллен

07:23

good morning

Johan Larsson

08:11

morning

Matt Эллен

How goes it, Johan?

Johan Larsson

Made a pull request yesterday, feel a bit nervous waiting for comments. Dunno why I feel nervous as there is no reason.

Matt Эллен

Because you're human! A revelation, I know.

Johan Larsson

Managed to forget to fix a reference before pushing so there is a build error, I suck at Git so trying to fix it is probably the worst idea :)

Matt Эллен

hmmm

I don't know how fixing things you've submitted a pull request on works

can you unsubmit the request and then submit a new one after fixing?

Johan Larsson

08:18

There are probably many ways, it is a trivial fix though, I'm leaving it

Matt Эллен

you shouldn't, IMO. asking someone to pull broken code doesn't look good.

Johan Larsson

It was just that I referenced the local dll while writing the code, forgot to ref the project when pushing

Matt Эллен

oh! mathnet.numerics

I should see if they've rewritten their sparse matrix code

if not, I might try and find the time to sumbit the speed up code I wrote

Johan Larsson

08:42

nice, I also had that issue, multiplying two diagonal matrices was an O(2) operation

Matt Эллен

09:32

I hacked at it, so it's still an O(n^2) operation, but it takes advantage of multiple cores.

and also that spares matrices are sparse

here's what I did

skullpatrol

!!wiki hacker

Jarvis the Bot

Hacker (computer security)

In the computer security context, a hacker is someone who seeks and exploits weaknesses in a computer system or computer network. Hackers may be motivated by a multitude of reasons, such as profit, protest, challenge or enjoyment. While other uses of the word hacker exist that are not related to computer security, such as referring to someone with an advanced understanding of computers and computer networks, they are rarely used in mainstream context. They are subject to the longstanding hacker definition controversy about the term's true meaning. In this controversy, the term hacker is ...

Andrew Leach

ODO hack sense 1.

Matt Эллен

yes, very much so

RegDwigнt

09:58

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A: Does preposition 'by' should precede ing form in a conditional sentence with a),b)

Both are equally correct, but the longer the list, the stronger the preference for the former. Also, in bulleted lists, it is good practice to always factor out as many words as possible — not only for brevity, but also for aesthetical reasons.

I went out of my way to keep it short and in plain English, and then the OP wonders what it is that I'm saying. And wonders incorrectly to boot.

I think Barrie sometimes suffers from the same kind of responses. I wonder how he copes.

c c

!!xkcd vowels

Jarvis the Bot

But the windows! What if there's a voyeur watchi-- wait, now I'm turned on too.

RegDwigнt

@cc chat.stackexchange.com/search?q=xkcd&user=977&room=95

Mitch

10:53

The whole site feels better already.

Matt Эллен

Yay!

Robusto

How so?

Matt Эллен

The elections are over, for one

Robusto

Well, there's that.

And certain folks got elected. And others didn't.

Mitch

Exactly

Johan Larsson

10:54

> Could not load file or assembly 'MathNet.Numerics, Version=3.0.0.0,

Matt Эллен

oh Johan. what have you done?

Robusto

Don't infect chat with that! What if it spreads!

Matt Эллен

what if we all become programmers?!

Johan Larsson

@MattЭллен it is really strange, get it in a test when I run the full suite, if I run the test separately it works

Matt Эллен

@JohanLarsson weird. what unit test thing do you use?

Johan Larsson

10:56

nunit

Robusto

This is the problem with unit tests. They don't find all the problems, though that is what they purport to do. Plus they're an extra burden on dev time.

Johan Larsson

been trying different combos of {rebuild, clean, build}

I still have reboot & reinstall Windows up my sleeve :)

Matt Эллен

:D

Mitch

Unit testing sounds good but no one does it

Matt Эллен

we started doing it, but time pressure and so forth

Johan Larsson

10:58

we do it pretty much, it is both good & pain

The bigges downside is the inertia it creates to refactoring

Matt Эллен

so we have a lot of tests, but probably < 70% coverage

Robusto

@JohanLarsson You could also build a new machine and install a fresh OS. It's the only way to be sure.

Johan Larsson

also nice when refactoring though

Matt Эллен

yes

I have the solution! stop running your code. you'll never get another bug.

Johan Larsson

I experimented with using the IoC container for resolving stuff in tests, it shows promise

Matt Эллен

11:00

Unity is acceptable for that

Robusto

Gad, the Subversion repo is s-l-o-o-o-o-o-w this morning. I wonder what's going on.

Matt Эллен

once it's set up maintenance is a breeze

Robusto

@MattЭллен: Can we get rid of the pinned stars? I think they've outlived their usefulness, and they seem mean-spirited and scolding.

Matt Эллен

OK

hmmm

Robusto

BTW, I always run my maven builds with -DskipTests. Who wants to wait that long?

Matt Эллен

11:03

I like the one about spam, but it could do with being less scoldy

Robusto

Yeah, but does it need to be there forever? Just saying.

Johan Larsson

Gah, robs, stop whining.

Robusto

@JohanLarsson I'm bitching. Whining is something different.

Matt Эллен

It's important at the moment as we're getting a lot of love doctors visiting the site.

Robusto

But love doctors cure love.

Matt Эллен

11:05

If love's the disease, I don't want to be cured!

Andrew Leach

Just flag spam as spam. You don't need to downvote as well.

3

Matt Эллен

@AndrewLeach yeah, that's a good idea. go for it!

Alraxite

VTC also tends to remove posts from the front page?

I think that's unlikely.

Andrew Leach

A spam flag is a -1 vote by itself, so enough of those will do that.

An OT closure also inflicts a -1 penalty, adding to any existing downvotes, and that could get to -4 that way.

Alraxite

Right.

No other closures inflict a penalty?

Johan Larsson

11:13

@Robusto ok, you know the language

Found my error

Robusto

Anyone know how to adjust the heap size for JVM in NetBeans?

Alraxite

@AndrewLeach Are you sure? I'm looking at a question on Maths.SE where it's been closed as OT but doesn't have any downvotes.

Andrew Leach

It may be a tweak here. I'm sure @RegDwigнt mentioned it.

Alraxite

OK.

Robusto

@Alraxite How do you get Maths.SE from http://math.stackexchange.com/? I see no s in math.

Matt Эллен

11:16

there should be grumble grumble

Alraxite

@Robusto You do get it from maths.stackexchange.com because it redirects there.

Robusto

@MattЭллен Yess. Alls wordss shoulds haves superfluous sletterss.

Matt Эллен

good enough

Robusto

@Alraxite So you prefer a facsimile to the original.

Matt Эллен

@Robusto ah, so you learned about mathematic, then, I suppose?

Robusto

11:18

@MattЭллен Math + ematics = mathematics. QED

Johan Larsson

que e?? demonstrae?

Matt Эллен

:-Þ

Alraxite

Yahoo is stupid. You can't make an account there without giving them your number.

Matt Эллен

@JohanLarsson quod erat demonstrandum

Johan Larsson

ty ty

Andrew Leach

11:26

That which was to be demonstrated

Johan Larsson

yeah

Robusto

11:37

Hmm. And here I thought it stood for "Quite Elementary, Dummy!"

Matt Эллен

11:48

:D

Robusto

Do you mean it's almost impossible for you to pronounce? I'm a native speaker, and it gives me no trouble at all. Also, what good will IPA representations do you if you're having trouble making the phoneme transitions at all? Your problem seems to be one that non-native speakers of any language have: you simply aren't coding for the precise phonemes. I for one can't hear the difference between hard L and soft L in Russian. — Robusto 30 secs ago

Matt Эллен

+1'd

Robusto

12:07

I read somewhere that if a baby doesn't hear the native language during the first six months of life, it won't be able to code all the phonemes of that language correctly.

Hugo

@JohanLarsson just push the fix to the same branch and it'll be included in the same pull request. Travis CI will build it again.

Johan Larsson

@Hugo ok ty

Hugo

@JohanLarsson so in your case just push the fix to your master branch

Johan Larsson

and it updates automagically?

Hugo

yep!

at the bottom of the PR it probably says something like "Add more commits by pushing to the XXX branch on YYY/ZZZ."

Johan Larsson

12:16

My git skills are pretty sad, I fear git a bit :)

It works really well so it is my preferred version control though

Mitch

@Robusto That sounds extreme.

Hugo

yeah, there's lots of things which are complicated but once you get the basic flow, the basic things are ok

using a UI like SourceTree may help

Robusto

@Mitch I know. But I read it just the same. I wish I could remember where.

Hugo

@JohanLarsson as a general tip, you can enable Travis CI for your own repo and check the build before submitting PRs

Mitch

The last any body can possibly learn phonemes is latest 2 weeks before birth.

Johan Larsson

12:20

@Hugo ah, that is nice, gonna google that one

Hugo

@JohanLarsson create a Travis account then go to: travis-ci.org/profile

Mitch

@Robusto I hate that. I remember facts all the time that on reflection just couldn't be so. Like I remember there was an election, like in the 1990's or 2000's where the supreme court decided in favor of the one with fewer votes. Crazy, I know.

Hugo

(then maybe "sync now") and just click the "on" switch to enable the repo

Johan Larsson

I'm at work now so can't fix it. Pushing to github is blocked. Will try to fix it 23:40 when I get home

Robusto

@Mitch Yeah. Bush v. Gore (a.k.a. Bush v. United States).

Mitch

12:22

I miss the election chat. It was just like here but more.

Hugo

@JohanLarsson ok, good luck!

Robusto

@Mitch Not worth having the election back just for chat, though.

Mitch

@Robusto Right. I can't believe I remember Bush being awarded by the supreme court, because that would be crazy.

@Robusto Oh, right, I'm not stupid.

We should have another tenuously-connected-to-language chat topic, like unicode for sign language. "Discuss!"

Robusto

@Mitch I would call it the worst SCOTUS decision ever, except for all the other ones they got way wrong. The Dred Scott decision, Plessy v. Ferguson, Buck v. Bell, Korematsu v. United States, Debs v. United States, etc.

Mitch

Wait dude, you're using knowledge and stuff. wiki-ing

Robusto

12:26

I should add Citizens United v. Federal Election Comission to that. And Dartmouth College v. Woodward (corporate personhood).

Once in a while they get one right. Like Brown v. Board of Education. But why does it seem like they get way more wrong than right?

Mitch

after reading Aren't most of those sort of out of fashion now? THat is haven't there been subsequent things that changed them?

And Little Debbie vs US ruled that their delicious snacks just aren't appealing to people as they get older, that flies in the face of everyday goodness.

It does seem like judges aren't really trying, it's just layers and layers of word crap on top of their preconceived biases.

Whereas I would be impartial.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Morning

Robusto

12:42

Howdy.

Matt Эллен

Hello.

Andrew Leach

Good afternoon!

Robusto

@Mitch But the point is the harm they do at the time. Read the summary of Plessy v. Ferguson, where SCOTUS ruled that Jim Crow laws were just fine. Basically, they just said, "Hey, the guy admitted he was black. So they were right to throw him out of the white railroad car."

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

congrats to the new mods!

Matt Эллен

Thanks!

Andrew Leach

12:46

Thanks.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Robusto Dont' forget the one where they recently affirmed that money is speech and that there should be no limits on campaign spending and that there was no evidence of any corruption at all in us politics.

Robusto

20 mins ago, by Robusto

I should add Citizens United v. Federal Election Comission to that. And Dartmouth College v. Woodward (corporate personhood).

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Robusto oh, it was one of those? I don't memorize the case names.

sry

Oh, actually it wasn't one of those that I meant. I was referring to the 2014 case.

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