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cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

02:48

!!music or misery

KitSox

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 music

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

@Rob ^

Robusto

03:18

@KitSox Yay!

tchrist

@Kit I think I was thinking of gentilicio, having just read a bunch of Wikipedia articles on countries from the Americas in Spanish, and they list the “gentilicio” of the people of that place. Like how if you’re from Guatemala, you are a guatemalteco.

> El adjetivo gentilicio, también llamado a veces demónimo, es aquel que «denota la procedencia geográfica de las personas», ya sea por barrio, pueblo, ciudad, región, entidad política, provincia, país o cualquier otro lugar. El adjetivo gentilicio se puede sustantivar, es decir, se puede referir a una persona mencionándola únicamente por su gentilicio y así se puede decir correctamente el bruneano (en lugar de decir: el individuo bruneano), la francesa, etc.

Gentilicio

El adjetivo gentilicio, también llamado a veces demónimo, es aquel que «denota la procedencia geográfica de las personas», ya sea por barrio, pueblo, ciudad, región, entidad política, provincia, país o cualquier otro lugar. El adjetivo gentilicio se puede sustantivar, es decir, se puede referir a una persona mencionándola únicamente por su gentilicio y así se puede decir correctamente el bruneano (en lugar de decir: el individuo bruneano), la francesa, etc. Los gentilicios ordinarios del idioma castellano o español se forman con una variedad de sufijos: -a, -aco, -aíno, -án, -ano, -ar, -ar...

Apparently the word isn’t as often used in English.

But still, we have weird ones. Manchester > Mancunian, etc.

You can type in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentilic but it silently redirects you.

Lots and lots and lots of irregulars.

From Latin or Latinization
Alsace → Alsatian (Alsatia)
Ashbourne → Ashburnian (Essiburn)
Colchester → Colcestrian
Courland → Couronian (Curonia)
Exeter → Exonian
Germany → German (Germani)
Guernsey → Sarnian (Sarnia)
Halifax → Haligonian
Leeds → Leodensian (Ledesia)
Lviv → Leopolitan (Leopolis)
Manchester → Mancunian (Mancunia)
Melbourne → Melburnian (Melburnia)
Naples → Neapolitan (Neapolis)
Newcastle → Novocastrian (Novum Castrum)
Orkney Islands → Orcadian (Orcadia)
Shropshire → Salopian (Salopia)

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

@tchrist that has two instances of i.

tchrist

Et in Orcadia ego. :)

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 If you say so. :(

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

puts scotch down Oh, um, three.

Sheesh.

tchrist

Annapolis → Annapolitan
Antioquia, Caldas, Risaralda and Quindío → Paisa, although the correct term for Antioquia citizen is Antioquenian or Antioqueño (Spanish)
Buenos Aires → Porteño (city), Bonaerense (province)
Canada → Canadien (male), Canadienne (female), when referring to someone of French-Canadian heritage
Cape Breton → Caper
Connecticut → Connecticuter
Espírito Santo → espírito-santense
Halifax → Haligonian
Indianapolis → Indianapolitan
Indiana → Hoosier
Los Angeles → Angeleno
Maine → Mainer

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

03:31

@tchrist I mean no ill will.

tchrist

Oft evil will shall evil mar.

So, the Phoenicians were from Arizona, eh? Who knew!

I especially like how folks from Moose Jaw are Moose Javians.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Michigan's Upper Peninsula → Yooper

tchrist

> The Franks settled France, but the citizens are French.

So, the French had their origins in der deutschen Würstchen, ja?

That explains a lot.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Wichita → Wichitite

tchrist

Waco → Wackos

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

03:38

Tee hee.

Pennsylvania → Yinzer

tchrist

Illinois → Flatlanders

Or just FIB for short.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

That's pretty two dimensional of you.

tchrist

Actually, it’s one dimensional: they’re all beneath me.

Godwinned:

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Q: difference between "xxxish" and "xxxy"

Recently Prince Charles used the word "Hitlery". In the sense of "possessing some properties of xxx", is there any difference between " xxxish" and "xxxy"?

suffixes

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Oh, is it that time of night?

tchrist

Somewhere.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

03:48

I just bought a very small Domo Kun from a twisty machine this evening.

tchrist

A twisty machine?

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Yes, with the toys in plastic bubbles.

tchrist

I was wondering whether that was what you meant.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

I had no better term at the time.

Bon soir.

Cerberus

04:35

@Alraxite It is true!

I am always here.

I'm furniture.

Even when I'm going out.

Mahnax

Evening.

Cerberus

Evening!

What have you been up to?

When is your valediction due?

Mahnax

Oh, things and stuff. Wrote my valedictorian speech, worked a twelve hour split shift yesterday, going to the Pride Parade tomorrow, etc.

Cerberus

Oh, that's long!

Pride Parade, as in gay pride?

Mahnax

Well, queer pride in general, yes.

Cerberus

04:40

How beneficent of you!

Mahnax

Well, it should be a lot of fun. I'm going to be in the parade.

Cerberus

Oh, dear!

How daring of you!

What will you look like?

Mahnax

@Cerberus Yes, I'm nervous.

@Cerberus Check your e-mail in a minute or two.

Cerberus

I can imagine!

Oh!

I shall.

(By the way, I've just come home from a borrel where my date turned up, and we had a lot of fun.)

Mahnax

Borrel?

Cerberus

04:44

(So I'm not 100% sober.)

Oh, a borrel is...an occasion where one has drinks.

Mahnax

Oh, OK. Fun! I'm glad you had a good time.

Cerberus

Can be before or after dinner.

English lacks this very useful word.

Thanks!

Mahnax

Gmail, by the way.

Cerberus

Refreshing...

Bradd Szonye

05:52

-1

A: What do we call this pattern of behavior?

This entire post is an extended personal attack on me. Concerns like this should be expressed in a custom flag to a moderator, not in a public post calling me out on the carpet. Also, my name is spelled with two Ds. A “good friend” of mine would know that.

Apparently RyeBread decided that mocking me in the “Indian” post wasn't enough, instead he needed to write an entire Meta post specifically calling me out for “threatening” him

-2

Q: What do we call this pattern of behavior?

So when I first started using ELU I had a good friend Brad. Brad would make abrasive comments and go on forever about literally nothing in the comments under my answers. And then if I answered back then Brad would flag my comments. My friend Brad got my account suspended for a couple days. Re...

discussion

According to his post, this isn't the first time he's done this, either.

“My issue is how Brad obviously understands that he can game the system to allow the mods to suspend someone after he attacks them.” Grr.

I really hope it doesn’t look that way to other people. That kind of accusation is deeply disturbing.

Bradd Szonye

06:17

I've had people actually do that to me before – almost got me suspended from school because of it. I'd never, ever do that to somebody!

Matt Эллен

07:40

@Cerberus we call that "drinks". see, we have a word for it.

@BraddSzonye there are a lot of odd personalities. We see more of them online because this plane is less threatening than meatspace.

Stack Exchange

Limerick Machine: I’m not in a limerick mood I’m thinking of you in the nude I’d rather caress Yo…

posted on June 07, 2014 by sgdi

I’m not in a limerick mood I’m thinking of you in the nude I’d rather caress Your wonderfulness Than sit here and write something rude

medica

08:16

@BraddSzonye Remember our moderated negotiation, please.

Bradd Szonye

Please stop editing the post, it pings my computer loudly every time you do.

I already apologized and retracted what I wrote, in response to what you wrote about me. Please don't drag this up again, I'm trying to leave it alone.

medica

pinging. I'm serious. I want nothing to do with you.

Bradd Szonye

Then why are you following me to chat again and bringing it up after I already walked away from it?

Please, leave me alone.

medica

You commented on my comment to Rye. You are not to do that. Don't make yourself out to be the victim. Leave me alone. I thought reminding you of the moderated agreement here was better than leaving the comment in the thread. I'm done.

Oli

How about we all drop this and move on before I start issuing chat bans?

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Bradd Szonye

08:23

Hi, mods. Sorry to ping everyone. :( It's dropped as far as I'm concerned.

Oli

Whatever the cause, it's not worth a tiff on a Caturday morning.

medica

@Oli hey, I do have a question for you.

Private?

Johan Larsson

10:57

in Lounge<C++> on Stack Overflow Chat, 1 hour ago, by Václav Zeman

We can neither confirm nor deny that this is our first tweet.

Tweeted by CIA on June 6, 2014 at 5:49 PM

Jasper Loy

Another drama in this chat, lol.

Oh the drama is on meta too, lol.

tchrist

12:05

Wo sind unsere deutschen Sprecher an diesem Morgen?

medica

12:15

@tchrist Hi!

tchrist

Moaning.

I’m pwacticing arrhoticity, and I must confess I don’t much cawe fow it.

medica

I wanted to tell you I'm really enjoying Sahdow of the Torturer!

tchrist

Ah. Good to hear.

medica

arrhoticity?

tchrist

One thing you should know is that none of those names or words are invented.

medica

12:16

no!

Really?

tchrist

@medica Talking without using the grapheme that falls between Q and S in the alphabet.

@medica 100% certain.

medica

:)

tchrist

He’s stated so himself, multiple times.

He has an essay or three about it. And there is a Key.

medica

I find a lot of words from French, but there are some that are quite foreign to me.

tchrist

That was the intent.

Ask me a word, I’ll tell you where he got it from.

medica

12:18

intresting.

This is such small type, I can't even see it now. But the different places in the Citadel

Wait,

Autarch

tchrist

Yes?

medica

Plutocracy? Autocracy? (I figure the last one)

tchrist

Self-ruler, of course.

medica

There are many words like that. Actually every page.

tchrist

It’s in the OED as an autocrat.

medica

12:21

I ought to read with a dictionary, but most of them I can guess.

tchrist

But Wolfe means it both ways. Why the literal meaning applies you will not learn until the 4th book.

medica

:-)

I'm looking forward to it.

tchrist

None of the names are made-up, either.

medica

agathogaemon

tchrist

They’re all historical.

Good one.

In mythology, it means a good divinity or minor spirit.

medica

12:22

It's really well written, and clever setting up.

tchrist

Here it stands in for the soul, I think.

medica

huh, I need to read more Greek.

tchrist

And it’s agathaDaemon with a D.

medica

I suck at typing.

RegDwigнt

Every single damn comment on the Indians question is flagged and counterflagged and countercounterflagged. You people are bored or what.

tchrist

12:24

> agathodemon /ˌægəθəʊˈdiːmən/.

Etymology: a. Gr. ἀγαθοδαίμων, f. ἀγαθό-ς good + δαίμων a spirit.

A good divinity or genius.

medica

daemon/spirit

ah!

Morning Reg.

tchrist

@RegDwigнt I saw that. There were like 6 when I last looked, although maybe that was just on the one I myself had flagged. Superscript 6.

@medica It’s Saturday: he’s only a drive-by chatter.

medica

@tchrist (feeling guilty)

Is this his Saturday routine?

tchrist

@medica Yes.

medica

Like a paper route for mods?

tchrist

12:26

Many of the words he uses, perhaps even most, are in the OED. But some are too rare even for that.

medica

Yes, there was a bit of drama here last night. I'm afraid I contributed my share.

I don't have a subscription to the OED

tchrist

For names of people (or things like people), Wolfe uses old saints’ names for residents of the Commonwealth and names from mythology for “monsters”.

medica

I would profit by it, but I'm not sure $200+ worth...

tchrist

@medica tsk

medica

The online free OED is terrible.

Maybe if they have a trial, I'll see.

RegDwigнt

12:28

Yeah we have a public holiday on Monday so I am supposed to be shopping for groceries rather than chatting lest we starve or sumthin.

tchrist

What, man doth not live by basil alone?

medica

@RegDwigнt What holiday is that?

tchrist

@medica There isn’t one.

RegDwigнt

I've deleted half a dozen comments, and edited half a dozen more, but that's a drop in the bucket and I am bored already.

One of the flaggers actually suggested purging them all and calling it a day.

medica

@RegDwigнt sorry...

RegDwigнt

12:28

I could get friends with the idea.

tchrist

@medica Just go to your library.

RegDwigнt

@medica Pfingsten.

tchrist

@RegDwigнt That must be why my screen kept flickering.

medica

@tchrist What???

That's far!

tchrist

@RegDwigнt That wasn’t mine, but I can see the point.

@medica When I worked for the School of Pharmacology, I had free online OED access through them.

medica

12:30

@RegDwigнt (do it. There's little of value there now anyway.)

@tchrist I am jealous.

RegDwigнt

@medica nah the problem with that is that you'll start getting those exact comments all over again.

medica

@tchrist I can't convince anyone in the ED that I need it.

RegDwigнt

So some have to stay.

medica

@RegDwigнt (yuck)

tchrist

@medica If you have even a public library card, not a university staff ID as I had, that usually suffices.

RegDwigнt

12:31

@medica don't blame the commenters. The question is designed that way.

medica

@tchrist I used to be an "Associate Professor" at the medical center, but no longer. :( They moved the residency program out of my hospital.

Otherwise there might be a shot at that.

tchrist

@medica Yes, when you work for University Hospitals, you get strange titles.

skullpatrol

People just don't want to use libraries any more...

medica

@RegDwigнt I think, though, that some people would take back the comments if they could.

RegDwigнt

@medica well, they can. It's called "delete".

medica

12:33

I think people don't want to lose face, and just delete one sided, tho.

tchrist

@RegDwigнt So you’re saying it has a PC peeve underpinning it? Maybe overpinning.

medica

Sometimes it works well, sometimes you look like a fool without your comments up there.

tchrist

@medica Not true.

medica

How so?

tchrist

Better be perceived dumb that open one’s mouth and remove all doubt.

RegDwigнt

12:35

Anyone can delete their own stuff. And anyone else is then welcome to delete their stuff that's a follow-up to the stuff that no longer exists. If people don't do that, I have to assume they are married to their stuff so I try to edit before I try to delete.

medica

I know I've had exchanges with MrHen, when I take all my nit picky comments down, he leaves his up, I look ridiculous.

@RegDwigнt good point, that.

tchrist

@medica 99% likely to be less apt to cause offence by saying nothing than giving people anything to niggle over, anything whatsoever.

RegDwigнt

@medica You can flag as obsolete.

medica

@tchrist OK, that is a good tactic!

RegDwigнt

Doesn't mean I'll necessarily delete it, but again, I can at least remove the mention of your name if they are addressing you because of a comment that no longer exists.

So anyway, I am off to grab pentecost victuals.

Lattorz.

medica

12:36

@tchrist amen to that. I am very guilty of speaking before I think.

?pentecost?

Saturday?

I am so lost...

skullpatrol

me too

medica

@skullpatrol Hi!

skullpatrol

@medica Hi!

medica

@tchrist Drotte. What language? Gurloes?

tchrist

Saint Drotte died c. 580 and was abbot of Saint-Germain-des-Pres. When writing in Latin, he signed his name Droctoveus, but he is known as Drotte.

medica

12:40

@tchrist Is all this in the key?

It might be well worth it.

tchrist

Saint Gurloes (died 1057) was a Benedictine monk, the prior of Redon Abbey, who in 1029 became abbot of Sainte-Croix of Quimperlé in Brittany.

medica

That is so cool!

It would be really cool to know that stuff as I was reading it.

tchrist

@medica Yes, but that would be cheating. The point is that all the people’s names are saints’ names — every one of them.

medica

Damn. Cheating?

tchrist

Well.

The problem is that the key doesn’t pull any punches vis-à-vis spoilers.

medica

12:42

Have you ever read - A canticle for Leibowietz?

tchrist

Required reading in high school.

@medica Pentecost falls 50 days after Easter, and is a major feast day.

medica

@tchrist Your high school, maybe!This is a little bit like that for names, medieval references, but much more complex.

Jasper Loy

Hi @medica I was just talking about everyone, lol.

medica

@tchrist Much more per page.

@JasperLoy Good morning Jasper!

I see you have your old color back! :)

Jasper Loy

@medica Yes, it is called "steelblue".

medica

12:45

@JasperLoy Looks good on you.

Jasper Loy

I see you have attained 20k!

medica

@JasperLoy though your last atavar was attractive!

@JasperLoy yes, but you have done it, what, four times now?

Jasper Loy

@medica Are you aiming for 100k now?

terdon

I quite enjoyed Canticle. But then, I have an unfair advantage since many of the more obscure words are of Greek origin and quite clear to me. Autarch for example, I didn't even realize it was obscure in English.

Jasper Loy

@medica Nah, only once, lol.

medica

12:46

@terdon good advantage to have!

tchrist

@terdon Book of the New Sun is full of words pulled from Ancient Greece.

medica

@JasperLoy I'm going to be happy if I get 25K

terdon

@medica Tell me about it, I even scored points in University exams because of it. I studied biology :)

Jasper Loy

@medica OK. Have you thought about retiring from the site?

medica

:-D My favorite subject!

@JasperLoy no, not yet!

I like it here!

terdon

12:48

I remember a question about "What does bacterium X" which I'd never heard of do? The name was self explanatory :)

tchrist

@terdon Are you that guy who keeps graffitoing all the biology textbooks with “Galen was here!” scrawls?

medica

@terdon exactly! Lucky dog.

I wish I had studied Greek!

skullpatrol

Biology is your favorite?

tchrist

@terdon Helicobacter pylori

Not to be confused with Heliobacter. :)

terdon

@tchrist Nah, that was Galen.

medica

12:49

@skullpatrol Yes, very much. I was a molecular biologist before I went into medicine. I loved, loved, loved it!

skullpatrol

@medica Have you read Darwin's Origin of the Species?

terdon

@medica What? Traitor!

:P

medica

Yes, long ago... In college.

@terdon I know, I know.

But it was so hard to get grants for a woman then.

tchrist

PhDs in bacteriology or molecular biology seem to lead to employment with sausage-making companies.

At least, thus it was with two of my close relatives.

terdon

@medica Like it isn't now?

medica

12:51

@tchrist Well, it looked that way to me, too.

terdon

@tchrist That brings up some interesting paranoias...

medica

@terdon I don't know anymore. I left!

terdon

Well, actually, there are a lot of women doing biology these days. Hell, I work for one and she works for another.

tchrist

@terdon Well, they’re still around, not having fallen into the vat. Recently retired. Aunt and Uncle.

medica

@terdon It was terrible. The males were rolling in grant money (I was in cancer research), but the women were definitely second class citizens then.

terdon

12:53

@medica I would expect that to still be the case but rapidly changing. Simply based on the number of women in PI positions I see around me.

skullpatrol

@medica I think it should be required reading in high school.

medica

I figured, if it was that bad in Cancer research - which was pretty well funded back then - it was only going to get worse.

tchrist

@medica I’m not completely sure that is true any longer, but yes, there were more men than women on the School of Pharmocology faculty roster.

@terdon I think so, too.

medica

@tchrist Did you get a degree in Pharmacology?

@skullpatrol High school might be a little early. It's kind of detailed.

tchrist

@medica No, no, I was a "professional research assistant". My later degrees are in computer science.

terdon

12:54

Even in my field, bioinformatics/computational biology, there are a surprising number of women given the macho attitude often found among computer people.

medica

@tchrist ah... Is there anything you haven't done?

tchrist

Actually, a "senior PRA", simply because of the graduate degree and nothing else. It is ridiculous. You are expected to wear your degree on your badge as though it were rank insignia.

medica

@terdon I think computing is maybe a more level playing field, but I don't know.

tchrist

@medica Died.

skullpatrol

@medica Just to get a general idea of the driving force behind evolution.

medica

12:56

@tchrist lol!

@skullpatrol Yes, I agree. Maybe no one should get out of college without it. :)

terdon

@skullpatrol Then something a little more accurate might be a better idea.

Mitch

@JasperLoy Dude, that's not a thing. You're the only one who even considers retiring. Others, they just at some point stop showing up.

terdon

TOS is great but dated.

medica

@Mitch Morning!

Robusto

@skullpatrol *Origin of Species

medica

12:57

@Robusto morning!

Mitch

@medica Sunshine!

Robusto

@medica hi

medica

Yes!

skullpatrol

@Robusto Thanks pal :-)

Mitch

@terdon Needs a tl;dr

tchrist

12:58

@medica The elderly are often perceived as having done more than youth, but it is often no other matter than the simple accumulation of decade upon decade of sequential experiences, and nothing more.

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medica

I'm going to the shore tomorrow, the weather looks cooperative. :)

Mitch

@tchrist That's not nothing.

medica

@tchrist Well, I have forgotten much more than you seem to have done.

terdon

@tchrist Can we take that to mean that you consider yourself "elderly"?

Mitch

@medica The start of summer a week late

medica

12:59

:-)

Mitch

@terdon I heard that too.

Robusto

@tchrist That is something. Also the long-term perspective that comes with it.

medica

And I have two good books to read, thanks to tchrist.

No, four.

Mitch

@Robusto and the not-dead-yet, priceless

tchrist

Summer never starts late.

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