English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

tchrist

18:01

So: is this hopelessly discursive quest for a curt, all-inclusive, and “politically correct” rebranding for the pre-Columbian — not to mention pre-Ericsonian — denizens, cultures, and languages of the two American continents off-topic because everybody has their own notion of political correctness, or is it a primarily opinion-based question that generates lots of lists with the concomitant heated argument, discussion, and debate that comes with those?

How can there be “right” answer once we enter the realm of political-correctness bullshit?

KitFox

I'm sorry what?

tchrist

@tchrist - I believe it's far ruder to make blanket statements about what the indigenous people of the Americas "prefer," especially in the face of abundant evidence to the contrary. (More than a third of indigenous American respondents to a 1995 US Census Bureau survey preferred "Native American," a share that has surely grown since then--preferences tend to be largely generational, according to a number of sources.) For that matter, it's rude to suggest through omission that the existence of 4 million North Americans of (east) Indian descent is not relevant to the question. — phenry 3 mins ago

There are posts there with dozens of comments.

And it’s just getting worse.

I have nothing polite to respond to that individual.

Basically, we’re all assholes, Indians included, for calling Indians Indians when they aren’t from India.

This is a 500-year-old mistake that no amount of political correctness is doing to fix.

It’s all about context. If you’re in Pakistan, Indian means something than it means in Arizona.

You can’t fix that, because nothing is broken except for the political-correctness police.

Next up to bat: What’s a short, politically-correct word of no more than four syllables for the region future-formerly known as the West Indies?

KitFox

!!define Gentilic

KitSox

@KitFox My pocket dictionary just isn't good enough for you.

tchrist

Try it without the s.

A gentilic is the name for a people.

KitSox

18:09

@KitFox It means I ain't got time to learn your $5 words

tchrist

It may be an endonym or an exonym

KitFox

Hmm.

I wish we had a close reason that was "ridiculously artificial restrictions".

tchrist

demonym

gentilic

> gentilic (not comparable)
1. Tribal or national.
2. Describing the inhabitants of a particular place; demonymic.

Demonym

A demonym , or gentilic, is a term for the residents of a locality. It is usually but not always derived from the name of a locality. For example, the demonym for the people of Britain is British; the demonym for the people of Canada is Canadian; the demonym for the people of Norway is Norwegian; the demonym for the people of Germany is German; the demonym for the people of Switzerland is Swiss; but the most common English language demonym for the people of the Netherlands is Dutch. About the term demonym The word demonym comes from the Greek word for "populace" ( demos) with the suffix f...

OED: Indian 2. Belonging or relating to the race of original inhabitants of America and the West Indies.

> En la mayoría de las lenguas europeas, la palabra indio es la misma para los nativos de la India y para los pueblos autóctonos americanos. En algunas, no obstante, existen dos palabras diferentes; por ejemplo, los nativos de la India en alemán se denominan Inder, en polaco Hindus y los pueblos americanos respectivamente Indianer e Indianerin.

KitFox

Doesn't even matter. Might as well ask what's a term for Indian that doesn't contain a or i?

tchrist

Sioux? :)

Shit, there’s an i.

Found one: ᏣᎳᎩ (“Tsa-la-gi”) is Cherokee using Sequoyah’s syllabary.

KitFox

18:25

Cherokee also has no a or i.

tchrist

I know. :)

Funny how it looks like it says "quy", as in the old Scottish pronunciation and spelling for why.

Well cwy, but still.

Oh, if I’m committed a code-point faux pas again, I’m sorry.

KitFox

Pardon?

tchrist

Something people can’t read.

Robusto

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Portal!

tchrist

Hm, there are interesting round-tripping issues with Cherokee to Latin and back again.

> Some Cherokee words pose a problem for transliteration software because they contain adjacent pairs of single letter symbols that (without special provisions) would be combined when doing the back conversion from Latin script to Cherokee. Here are a few examples:
ᎢᏣᎵᏍᎠᏁᏗ = itsalisanedi = i-tsa-li-s-a-ne-di
ᎤᎵᎩᏳᏍᎠᏅᏁ = uligiyusanvne = u-li-gi-yu-s-a-nv-ne
ᎤᏂᏰᏍᎢᏱ = uniyesiyi = u-ni-ye-s-i-yi
ᎾᏍᎢᏯ = nasiya = na-s-i-ya

For these examples, the back conversion is likely to join s-a as sa or s-i as si.

His syllabary is sensible, too. Very neat.

Recited left-to-right and top-to-bottom, the syllables occur in a reasonable order:

Definite advantage to conscripts, you know?

Hm, don’t take that wrong, please.

I mean “constructed scripts”.

Not military slavery.

KitFox

18:35

heh

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

@Robusto Yay!

tchrist

Cyrillic, also of course in origin a conscript, follows the old standard Phoenician ordering that was stolen by Greek and thence by Latin and Cyrillic.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

It's been long enough that I could play Portal again.

tchrist

I wonder what orderings for glyphs they use in the “newly enscripted” languages, the ones that draw heavily on IPA for their glyph forms.

Robusto

Have you tried Portal II?

tchrist

18:40

I unfortunately don’t know any examples of those, but somebody probably JBJ mentioned them again the other day.

Alraxite

I also plan to play Portal 2.

tchrist

Q: How best to attractively resume subheadings?

Seems like a Graphics Design question to me.

Alraxite

Has anyone played Braid?

tchrist

Only with my cousine’s hair.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

@Robusto I've watch T play it. I have it. And no. :(

Alraxite

18:41

You guys will definitely like it.

tchrist

Oh noes! They’re going to close Jaydles♦’s day-appropriate question!

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

@tchrist pardon?

tchrist

3

Q: What is the etymology and reasoning behind the US Military term,"D-Day"?

Today is the 70th anniversary of D-Day, the day Allied forces in WWII invaded Normandy. It just occurred to me that I have nothing better than guesses for what the "D" actually stands for, and my initial searches turned up a number of reasonable guesses. ("Deployment," "Designated," etc.") EDI...

etymology

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

@tchrist some of those are quite lovely.

tchrist

He did his homework.

Aren’t they, though!

I'm struggling a little with the notion that this is "general reference" despite multiple folks here indicating not knowing the answer, and actually having assumed seemingly incorrect ones. But, in the interest of improving it, I edited to incorporate why such a term would be introduced, given that it seems entirely redundant. — Jaydles ♦ 34 mins ago

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

18:46

He gets my upvote.

tchrist

Yes.

Mitch

@KitFox What's a term for Indian that doesn't contain a or i?

@KitFox Even though that is an advertisement, it is OK. I particularly like the very subtle sighing.

"Like sleeping in a box full of underwear (pause) because it is exactly that."

Robusto

@KitFox Crow.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

I think you mean Crooooooooow!

Robusto

Cheyenne.

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Note that there is no Tom Servo tribe.

tchrist

18:53

macbook# grep -vci '[ai]'  indian-names
128
macbook# grep -ci '[ai]' indian-names
842

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

cherokee people / cherokee tri-hibe

Robusto

Cree

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Italian doesn't count as a Native American tribe.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

@Robusto scusi?

tchrist

Whoops! Left in the blank lines!

macbook# grep -vci '[ai]' indian-names
103
macbook# grep -ci '[ai]' indian-names
842
macbook# wc -l indian-names
     945 indian-names

Robusto

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Cher is Italian, not Native American.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

18:55

Hell, it is tribe.

@Robusto Paul Revere und the Raiders.

►

tchrist

macbook# grep -vi '[ai]' indian-names | perl -pe 's/$/,/' | fmt
Älsé, Beothuks, Cherokee, Chetco, Cheyenne, Chocheno, Cholon, Comox,
Coos, Coso, Cree, Creek, Crow, Cruzeño, Cupeño, Dene, Eenou, Eeyou,
Endeve, Esselen, Euchee, Eudeve, Excelen, Fox, Goshute, Gros Ventre,
Gulf, Hän, Heve, Hochunk, Ho-Chunk, Huelel, Huron, Jemez, Keres,
Konkow, Koso, Koyukon, Lecesem, Lnu, L’nu’k, L’nuk, Lnuk, Lokono,
Loucheux, Loup, Lumbee, Lushootseed, Mengwe, Modoc, Mono, Muncey,
Munsee, Muscogee, Muskogee, Mutsun, Mvskoke, Nde, Nee-me-poo, Newe,

Robusto

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Oh, right. What was the one Cher did?

Gypsies, Tramps and Thieves.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

@Robusto Gypsies, Tramps and Thieves?

Robusto

Jinx.

tchrist

Hm, I suppose you won’t let me sneak by with Ä, will you?

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

18:57

!!coke

KitSox

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 That didn't make much sense. Use the !!/help command to learn more.

tchrist

Ok, let me NFD it first.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Hochunk!

tchrist

macbook# NFD < indian-names | grep -vi '[ai]' | NFC | perl -pe 's/$/,/' | fmt
Beothuks, Cherokee, Chetco, Cheyenne, Chocheno, Cholon, Comox, Coos,
Coso, Cree, Creek, Crow, Cruzeño, Cupeño, Dene, Eenou, Eeyou, Endeve,
Esselen, Euchee, Eudeve, Excelen, Fox, Goshute, Gros Ventre, Gulf,
Heve, Hochunk, Ho-Chunk, Huelel, Huron, Jemez, Keres, Konkow, Koso,
Koyukon, Lecesem, Lnu, L’nu’k, L’nuk, Lnuk, Lokono, Loucheux, Loup,
Lumbee, Lushootseed, Mengwe, Modoc, Mono, Muncey, Munsee, Muscogee,
Muskogee, Mutsun, Mvskoke, Nde, Nee-me-poo, Newe, Nez Perce, Northern

Better?

Robusto

Members of the Onoyoudont tribe.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

18:59

Yoko Onoyoudont?

tchrist

Now, what the hell are Sqwxwu7mesh and Sto:lo, and what happened to the hat on têtes?

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Or O:b

tchrist

All those are from here.

Robusto

Meh, I see Cher is actually of Armenian ancestry, not Italian.

tchrist

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Really! What is this, Sveditch?

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

19:00

@tchrist bork!

tchrist

Icelandic.

Robusto

I seem to avoid knowing anything about Cher. I suppose that's the point.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Well . . .

tchrist

> Pima Bajo (O:b No’ok, Nevome): Pima Bajo is a Uto-Aztecan language of Mexico, spoken today by a few hundred indigenous people in the mountains between Sonora and Chihuahua. There are two dialects of Pima Bajo, a Sonoran dialect and a Chihuahuan one. Some linguists consider these dialects distinct enough to be separate languages, but speakers of different dialects can understand each other fairly well.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

She was born in the wagon of a travelin' show.

Tweened. -_-

KitFox

19:03

@tchrist Nope.

OK. I gotta go. Bai!

Jasper Loy

@KitFox Hi and bye!

tchrist

Penobscot!

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

@KitFox bai!

Jasper Loy

I was the first to say bye, yay!

Robusto

Baiwatch.

Alraxite

19:04

@JasperLoy Hi. Do you play computer games?

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Let baigones be baigones.

Jasper Loy

@Alraxite Nope, I think they are boring, lol.

Alraxite

@JasperLoy OK. You should try Braid.

tchrist

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 À moins qu’ils soient des beignets, n’est-ce pas?

Jasper Loy

@Alraxite Is it an online game?

Alraxite

19:05

@JasperLoy Nope.

Though you have to do some reading during the game.

Which is probably not the best fit for a not boring game...

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

@tchrist oui.

Alraxite

But that's particularly what makes it good.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Speaking of, it's National Doughnut Day.

I have yet to partake.

Jasper Loy

@Alraxite Where does your username come from?

tchrist

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 So that’s what the D denotes!

Alraxite

19:07

@JasperLoy It's made-up.

But it comes from me.

By which I mean I made it up

Jasper Loy

@Alraxite It sounds like a stone.

Alraxite

@JasperLoy It does actually!

I didn't think about that

Robusto

I will do some doughnuts in my car.

Alraxite

Good. That's what I'll tell everyone from now on

Jasper Loy

I thought you people spell it as donuts.

Robusto

19:09

What do you mean, "you people"?

Jasper Loy

The Americans?

tchrist

Q: What’s the antonym to embarrass?

Matt Эллен

To hug

Robusto

Fellatio?

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

@Robusto bitchin' Camaro, bitchin' Camaro / doughnuts on your lawn

Robusto

19:10

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 ABBA to Zappa.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

@Robusto ;)

@Robusto on the patio?

Robusto

Dead Milkmen

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Anyplace is fine.

Alraxite

'Pride is not the opposite of shame, but its source. True humility is the only antidote to shame.'

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

@Robusto noted.

Jasper Loy

When there is no pride, there is no shame.

Robusto

19:11

What a shameful thing to say.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

makes coffee

Jasper Loy

drinks coffee

Robusto

►

Alraxite

@tchrist Unashamed.

Except it's an adjective

Also unembarrassed

Robusto

It's a trick question, calculated to embarrass you.

Alraxite

19:19

To-not-blush.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

@Robusto I like.

Robusto

19:37

Cats have been in my office again. I can tell because my router is knocked over. Only a cat would do that.

Jasper Loy

@Robusto You should close all doors and windows.

Robusto

Not an option.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@JasperLoy Just hit the "Shut down" option, the OS will close all the windows for you. Don't wast time clicking like that.

tchrist

@Robusto The opposite of embarrass is to don one’s trousers, briefs or boxers, or speedos as whim take you.

But there is a more direct alternative.

> debarrass /dɪˈbærəs/, v.

Etymology: a. Fr. débarrass-er, f. dé- = des- (see de- (def#I). (def#6)) + -barrasser in embarrasser to embarrass.

trans. To disembarrass; to disencumber from anything that embarrasses.

1789 T. Jefferson Writ. (1859) III. 97 - So as to debarrass themselves of this.
1792 W. Roberts Looker-on (1794) I. 390 - To debarrass its motions, and to display its attractions.
1796 Ld. Sheffield in Ld. Auckland’s Corr. (1862) III. 348 - If the armies of France should be debarrassed from all other enemies.

Robusto

Speedos are an embarrassment all their own.

Jasper Loy

19:41

Debarrass? LOL

Robusto

De bare ass?

tchrist

@Robusto Doesn’t that depend on just whose ass they accoutre?

Robusto

@tchrist Well, but how often does that have a good outcome?

tchrist

@Robusto Every Olympiad.

Robusto

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Yeah. I just discovered she's a Jesus freak and possibly a homophobe. I'll try to get past that. I hate when artists do that.

@tchrist Even the Greco-Roman wrestling, or weight-lifting, or shotput?

tchrist

19:43

@Robusto No, more divers events.

Robusto

@tchrist Well, of course. But most Speedos are worn by folks who shouldn't.

tchrist

Once upon a time, it was far more customary to see speedos at European beaches than at American ones.

This has been shifting a bit, and for the better IM!HO.

Robusto

Yeah, but who wants to see Albert Broccoli in a Speedo?

tchrist

But even so, the inevitable question always pops up: where did the swimmers go?

Robusto

Who would swim in the cesspool of the Mediterranean?

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

19:47

@Robusto there on it's side / holey and wide / only a cat would do that

Robusto

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 'zackly.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

@Robusto that makes me think of Nick Cave's turn toward the Pentecostal.

Robusto

Yeah. Who wants to hear Nick Cave and the Good Seeds?

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

unhand that yarn, be gone / there's no one to claw upon

@Robusto tee hee!

tchrist

@Robusto These folks, clearly, but notice that the speedo rate is lower now than it once was.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

19:49

does not click

Robusto

@tchrist Except statistically, the number of people actually in the water is several standard deviations away from the norm.

tchrist

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 It’s safe!

Robusto

Come on in! The sand is fine!

tchrist

Back in my 20s I was at Saint-Laurent-du-Var in the summer on a job, and had the day off, but had not thought to bring a swimming suit. But I looked at the folks on the beach there, and saw that nobody was wearing boarder shorts or anything, just colorful speedos for the most part. So I donned some colorful briefs meant as underwear and blended in perfectly.

Long ago and far away, I confess.

Robusto

I'm a boxers man myself.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

19:55

losing in front of your home crowd

tchrist

Now it’s half-in-half, like.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

will time never pass? / will time never pass for us?

tchrist

The Portuguese think the Spanish habit of ladies going topless at the beach to be a side of decadence.

I fear I cannot sympathize with them.

And it isn’t just the south, but even the north. You see topless chicks at the beach way up in San Sebastián even.

@Robusto But this is a problem: if you dive into the water at a good clip wearing boxers, you stand a much greater chance of losing them than if they were briefs. Such at least has been my experience. I learned my lesson.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

!!WD or GD

KitSox

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 WD

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

20:01

You always choose the first one.

tchrist

Is Topless Sunbathing Good for American Tourism? (Huff Post)

Robusto

@KitSox Nooooo!

!!GD or WD

KitSox

@Robusto WD

Robusto

Damn you!

!!GD or WD

!!WD or GD

tchrist

> Most people don't realize, but it used to be illegal for men to be shirtless on U.S. beaches. It was felt that the sight of a man's bare chest in public was immoral, so women and children had to be protected from those "evil" bare chests.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

20:03

Oh dear, she's broken.

Robusto

I guess I'm guilty.

tchrist

> Guys put up with wearing wool jersey tank tops at beaches. If they dared to show a nipple, they would be arrested. Then during a heat wave in the mid 1930s, hundreds of thousands of men protested by going shirtless and tens of thousands were arrested. Of course, the results were, as most citizens already wanted, judges found it silly to force men to wear tops while swimming.

Tens of thousands arrested!!!

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

!!coffee or tea

KitSox

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 I'm not that skilled a barrista.

Robusto

@tchrist Most people shouldn't be seen in swim clothes. It's axiomatic. And that goes double if you're from Texas.

When a Texan goes to the beach, he comes back with a sunburn and three harpoon wounds.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

20:05

May 30 at 16:30, by cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

@KitSox or spellur.

!!GD or WD

KitSox

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 WD

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

scoffs

Robusto

!!GD or WD

KitSox

@Robusto GD

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

XD

Robusto

20:06

There ya go.

tchrist

The Englischer Garten was a bit shocking at first. I saw nothing English about it.

Which is probably just as well.

Along the Pacific Coast Highway (hwy 1), you would see quite a lot of topless swimmers in the places that weren’t official beaches. Even bottomless.

I was always too scared of the jellies.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

I'm the hiphopopotamus, my lyrics are bottomless.

Robusto

@tchrist I've swum in the ocean off of Big Sur. Kinda chilly.

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 As they should be.

tchrist

@Robusto The other PCH / highway 1. Do not fall asleep face-down wearing a speedo-type suit on a tropical beach in Queensland the day before you fly home. The waistline is lower, so when you put on trousers and try to sit in a plane for 24h to get back, it is truly miserable.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Specific no-nos.

Robusto

20:11

@tchrist Noted.

tchrist

But speaking of Big Sur, there’s that awesome spot along the highway getting there with all the wild white calla lilies.

To your right driving south, by some beach.

Robusto

I think the chance that anyone will ever see me in Australia is vanishingly small.

tchrist

I rather like the stretch from Santa Cruz to Big Sur.

One of our nation’s 5 most impressive highways, I’m told, the one between Monterey and Big Sur.

s/impressive/beautiful/

Nice pretty drive.

Robusto

If I'm going to take a 24-hour flight, there'd better be more than funnel-web spiders, taipan snakes, salt-water crocodiles, and all the things that can kill you horribly in Australia waiting at the other end.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

And a dingo to eat your baby.

tchrist

20:13

@Robusto There would be, trust me.

Robusto

@tchrist Yeah. Why do you think Hearst built San Simeon down there?

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 dingo => doing

tchrist

Another of the most scenic drives in America is one few people ever take: the road to Presidio.

Robusto

@tchrist Several of the most scenic drives in America are in Wyoming, sad to say.

tchrist

@Robusto Not I-80.

The road between Lajitas and Presidio in the Big Bend Country is the one I’m thinking of.

Also the White Rim Road in Canyonlands.

Might be called the River Road; I forget.

Robusto

@tchrist No. But I-90 approaching the Bighorn Mountains is spectacular. Also approaching them from the other direction.

tchrist

20:20

Coming down I-80 into Utah is nice.

Robusto

And going through them.

tchrist

Also, the cutoff from I-70 up to I-15 from Green River towards SLC is great.

Robusto

And the grasslands, and the butte country. Wide, scenic vistas.

And then you come to a town, and the reverie fades.

tchrist

Even I-15 has a moment where it passes through the SW corner of Utah into NV that’s impressive.

And I-80 between Reno and on up to Truckee.

Robusto

I've told you about the salt flats mirage before, haven't I?

tchrist

20:22

Not sure. But I know that part of I-80 west of SLC very very well.

Robusto

Jul 17 '13 at 0:34, by Robusto

@tchrist Did you ever drive it in late afternoon on a hot summer day, when the salt shines from the heat like a mirror? It's like driving through the sky. I think I've mentioned this before, but it is one of the most remarkable things I've ever witnessed.

tchrist

I actually lived in SLC once.

Yes, always.

Trying to find somewhere to buy things in SLC on Sunday morning is next to impossible.

Robusto

The main thing I'd be in the market for would be any ticket out of there.

tchrist

Ayup.

Moab is ok, culturally acceptable. The rest of Utah, not so much.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

> Should some American beaches with proper signage be set aside for Topless Sunbathing?

That's the poll on that article.

Why "proper signage"? New York already ruled it as an equal-rights issue. Seems cut and dried.

tchrist

20:26

I wouldn’t every consider living in SLC. Ever.

Robusto

Jul 17 '13 at 0:30, by Robusto

It is well that the really big, boring states have high speed limits. Recognizes the human need not to be bored among rednecks for too long.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@tchrist Seems like you considered it, and rejected it already.

tchrist

It wasn’t up to me.

I was a wee lad.

I-70 through Glenwood Canyon is likely the most beautiful point in the US Interstate system.

But these Scene Byways and even better, the Scene Backways, that they have out here around the Four Corners region, are amazing.

I have to mess with my internet. I may not be back for a bit.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Good luck.

Jasper Loy

I have not seen Mr Shiny leave this chat for a long time. I wonder if he will say the same thing later, lol.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

20:39

@JasperLoy I frequently leave.

like, every day.

Robusto

We'll have to take your word for it.

Alraxite

20:54

I think @Cerberus has never left this chat room.

Since its inception.

Jasper Loy

@Alraxite LOL. He also refuses to refresh his browser.

Alraxite

It's scary how you can't talk without his ghostly heads watching.

Is he like signed in from his mobile device?

Jasper Loy

No idea.

Alraxite

Wouldn't be a stretch to assume he has kept his XP machine turned on forever.

Jasper Loy

He might use XP for the rest of his life.

Alraxite

21:06

And he can probably make it too!

I'm on XP too 'cause my laptop's been having issues.

Jasper Loy

I have been using Linux the past few years, mostly Debian/Ubuntu/Mint.

Alraxite

that's news.

Once my laptop is fixed, I will try to get Ubuntu

Hmm, my COED says that one of the definitions of 'once' is 'multiplied by one'.

How would you use it in that sense?

Jasper Loy

Three once is three. Three twice is six.

Alraxite

21:23

'Three once' sounds okay?

Jasper Loy

Sounds OK to me.

But I am weird.

Alraxite

My COED, however, doesn't state that 'twice' could also mean 'multiplied by two'.

Jasper Loy

Three thrice is nine, lol.

Alraxite

anyhow, I think it should say 'one time' and not 'multiplied by one'.

And that's solely because I can't come up with an example using the latter definition

I just got an error that I couldn't connect to the SE chat

upon refreshing, they very clearly told me that that was their fault and not mine

'It's not you, it's us. This is our fault.'

This is the first time I've encountered this error. so I felt the need to tell everyone about it.

Jasper Loy

21:53

@Alraxite I have seen that line many times, lol.

@MattЭллен I did not go out in the end.

Matt Эллен

oh, that's a shame

I went out

Jasper Loy

Maybe I will go out on Sat night.

Matt Эллен

only you can decide!

Jasper Loy

I am thinking of how to solve my mental problems. It is difficult.

Matt Эллен

Indeed

Jasper Loy

22:00

I also need to make sense of my past, present and future.

It all seems surreal.

Matt Эллен

well, take it one step at a time. there's no way to rush this

Jasper Loy

I have also given up all religion, including Buddhism, because Nibbana does not make sense to me.

Matt Эллен

Is that hard?

Jasper Loy

No, it is not hard. But Buddhism is hard, deep to fathom. Perhaps one day I will attain true enlightenment.

Mitch

@JasperLoy Take up Congregationalism. Or better, Unitarianism. Really, it's do anything you want.

Jasper Loy

22:07

I shall expound on the problem with Nibbana some other time.

Mitch

It makes religious conversations kinda boring. "So you believe in God?" "Yeah, how about you?" "No, not really", "Oh. How about some mint tea?" "Sure, thanks" "Did you forget to wash your hands before coming out of the bath? I will effing kill you and your family!"

Matt Эллен

22:23

good night!

Robusto

22:34

Swede!

Jasper Loy

@MattЭллен See you in your dreams!

Robusto

23:31

"Wide-awake and laughing-like to himself.... So then, of course, when they saw that, that made them think that there was something gone wrong with him...."

tchrist

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